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The System Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75) Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80 - £115.20) Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 - £132)

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THE THREAD

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09-02-2005, 06:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Maria's laying system

I've been reluctant to start off this thread, because I'm frightened of its turning out to be the kiss of death ... you have what you imagine to be a good system and start to explain it in public, and suddenly a wheel comes off ...* ??? I've come up with a laying system ...* ;D I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway ...* :-[ I'll try to post each day's selections by 1.00pm at the very latest, but I don't think I'll often manage to post them the night before. Comments, general heckling and questions (but not about the details of my selectionprocess, please) are very welcome as we go along, but I'd better start off with something like an "FAQ" ...* 8) STAKING: I want to minimise risks and maximise returns, of course (who doesn't?), which are always pretty difficult, not to say conflicting, objectives to combine. Like all forms of betting, the selections are only a part of the story. Betting on horses is notorious for people being able to have good selections and still lose money through poor money management. With laying in particular, IMHO the commonest reasons for failure are under-funding (not having a bank big enough for what you're trying to do) and disillusionment (getting too easily fed up with an inevitable losing run). This isn't the time or place to get involved in a big discussion about whether the selections or the money management are more important - it suffices to say that without both aspects being good, sensible, reliable and proven, it's not possible to make steady profits ...* The two common staking methods for laying are:(i) Laying to a fixed stake: I don't use this for two main reasons: first, the "accidents" are proportionally too expensive; secondly, it seems to me that it fails adequately to make the profits "deserved" after successfully identifying and laying shorter-priced losers. (ii) Laying to a fixed liability: I don't use this either, because it's inherently mathematically unsound - it ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to happen at the lower end of the scale: if I lay a 2/1 favourite (i.e. I lay it at an exchange price of 3.0), the overall risk of that bet losing (the horse winning) is of course higher than one which was a lay at 8.0 (7/1). Instead I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a complicated mixture of the two systems mentioned above, but it's actually perfectly straightforward ...*

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My staking system: I lay in three distinct exchange-price-bands of fixed backer's stakes. At one end of the scale, if the exchange price available about the horse is less than 3.5 (less than 5/2), I lay to a stake of 1% of my current laying system bank. At the other end, if the price is between 7.5 and 11 (the latter figure being my cut-off: I don't lay anything higher than 10/1), I lay to a stake of 0.4% of my current bank. If the price is in-between these two bands (i.e. prices of 3.6 to 7.4), then I lay to a stake of 0.6% of my bank. As they say in those TV infommercials, "But wait - there's more!": I also combine this staking plan with a ratchet system (see below). The are two other advantages with this staking system: first, the practicality of the situation when using the exchanges is that the backer's stake (rather than one's own liability) is the value which has to be typed into the little box on the screen, and this makes it quick and simple to do; secondly, nearly a year's figures have proven to me that this method minimises the variability of the results, and that's very, very important ...* To summarise, with examples based on a starting bank of £3,000 (if you're reckless enough to try them, you can scale up or down proportionally to your own bank) ... Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75) Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80 - £115.20) Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 £132) Ratchet System If making profits, I increase all stakes in proportion to the bank on a daily basis. (I'd love to do it on a bet-by-bet basis, but that would assume that anyone following the system can be glued to their screen all afternoon, which isn't realistic. If you're working for a living - shock horror: please excuse my language! - you need to be able to put the bets on your lunch-hour.) This means that at the end of each day, the next day's "current bank" figure is known. For example, if there's a good start and the £3,000 bank grows, then the stakes are worked out as proportion of the new higher figure, and increase slightly the next day. This may sound insignificant but it makes a huge difference to the results ...* In contrast, after a losing day, I don't reduce stakes unless and until 35% of the highest level of the bank is lost, when I essentially re-start using the same percentages, but now of the new "65%-sized bank" ...* :-\ Example: from a £3,000 start, if there's a net loss on the first day, the next day I still stake as if from a bank of £3,000 (i.e. to backer's stakes of £30, £18 and £12 depending on the price about each selection) until reaching £1,950 when those backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up to £3,000 again (or - dare I mention it? - down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss). The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank. If it happens (and so far it hasn't - famous last words?!) I'll explain it again. It may sound a bit complicated but it's actually very simple. Not easy, but very simple

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...* : Please don't imagine that I'm claiming this to be a perfect laying system. There are one or two anomalies in it, but after lots of analysis and calculation in the early days, over the last year I've found this system practicable, straightforward and robust. And that's what matters. In the next post, I'll complete the "FAQ" and hope to cover the practicalities ...* :-* __________________ maria santonix

09-02-2005, 06:44 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS/PRACTICALITIES ABOUT THIS SYSTEM AND ITS RESULTS (i) It's essential to keep (at the very least on paper) a separate bank for this system: the money can, if unavoidable, be mixed up in an account with other betting funds, but at the very least the "books" must be kept separately, otherwise you don't know where you are - it's not possible to win in the long run without keeping good records ... oooh, contentious! ...* (ii) Terminology: there's always understandable confusion about discussing laying. For the record, if there's any apparent ambiguity, I'm always referring to the bet rather than the horse. So if I say that out of the day's selections, three won and one lost, and that the day's strike-rate was 75%, I mean that three of the horses lost and one was a winner on which I paid out. (But if that's the actual strike-rate every day, we won't get far: mixed-price-bracket laying systems generally need a very high strike-rate). (iii) This is a slow and steady system, not a get-rich-quick scheme, and any attempt to turn it into that, or to escalate the stakes when losing, is destined for disaster. With laying, in particular, the swings and arrows of outrageous fortune can be particularly vicious, and it's all too easy for gradually accumulated profits to be wiped out quickly by an uncharacteristically unlucky run. I hope that my staking system allows for this, to a large degree ...* (iv) Some of the selections tend to shorten in price and others tend to drift. The reality is that it's not possible, overall, to lay at SP and I would therefore be misleading people about my profits if I quoted the results to SP. So I'm going to keep two separate sets of results ... 1. SP + 10%: These results will quote all prices to SP + 10% (i.e. as if the price, from the layer's point of view, was 10% worse than SP). 2. My own actual results, recording the prices I've found and used. No method of doing this is going to be perfect, but before deciding on this method of

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keeping the results, I've talked it over with the Administrator and we've decided, hopefully, that this "double results" system is the least open to criticism ...* :-X (v) If a selection is priced at more than 11 on the exchanges when I first look at it (and this really isn't going to happen often, because they make me nervous), then with one exception I leave my bet unmatched at 11 and just wait and see what happens. The exception is that if it's priced at more than 14 to lay, I cross it off the list completely and don't even go back to look at it again (this is a half-hearted attempt to avoid becoming the victim of any "major coups"). In the "starting-price + 10% results", I won't be recording as a bet anything that set off at more than 10/1. (vi) The exchanges charge a variable commission on profits. I'm going to allow for the highest commission at the most expensive of the exchanges, and deduct 5% from all wins. (Note that this is calculated on a "per event" basis, so if you lay two or more horses in a race, the commission is charged only on your net profit on that race.) (vii) This is (comparatively, at least) a "high turnover" system. The idea is that every bet made represents "value" and has a positive expectation, and therefore the more of them there are, the better the returns. It's not for the faint-hearted! Back these with real money at your own risk and never with money that you can't afford to lose. (viii) I've found that it's nearly always a mistake to "pick and choose" with this system. Lay all the selections (that can be done within the cut-off of 11) or none of them. (ix) When I put the bets on, I don't always just take the best current price, depending partly on how much of a hurry I'm in and whether I have shoe-shopping plans for the afternoon. Unless I think the price is particularly likely to lengthen (see "Lay, Back and Think of Winning" by Nigel Paul for the best simple explanation of how you can judge this), I'm likely to leave my lay unmatched at a price in-between what's available to back and what's available to back. Usually my lay will get matched. But I only do this if I can keep an eye on it, and change my mind quickly about what price to lay at if the market moves against me ...* ??? (x) Within my cut-off of 11, the market moving against me when I have an unmatched bet is not a reason for me to abandon a lay: if it's part of the system and it's not above 11, I lay it. (xi) The overwhelming majority of the lays in this thread will be win lays, but there will be the occasional place lay included too. These are much rarer, but I have a very high strike-rate with them ...* ;D (xii) Patience and discipline lead to profits ...* ;D* ;D* ;D Tomorrow (Saturday 3rd September) is Day 1 ...* 8) __________________ maria santonix

09-02-2005, 06:46 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

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Wow, after all that typing, I'm exhausted before I've even started ... __________________ maria santonix

09-02-2005, 07:29 PM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,642

Wolf

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Very good write-up Maria and good luck with it. Just one small problem which I encountered doing something similar: there isn't always enough money in the system to do bigger bets early on in the day. I was always reluctant to leave money in there hoping that the money pot would increase to match my bets. So, unless I sit in front of my computer when racing starts and watch the bets coming in, I am unlikely to do my or any other system bets as I am out and about during the day. Nevertheless, good luck with this system. Wolf

09-02-2005, 07:29 PM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,642

Wolf

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Very good write-up Maria and good luck with it. Just one small problem which I encountered doing something similar: there isn't always enough money in the system to do bigger bets early on in the day. I was always reluctant to leave money in there hoping that the money pot would increase to match my bets. So, unless I sit in front of my computer when racing starts and watch the bets coming in, I am unlikely to do my or any other system bets as I am out and about during the day. Nevertheless, good luck with this system. Wolf

09-02-2005, 08:11 PM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,521

favs

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Re: Maria's laying system

Good Luck with this Maria, look forward to following this thread __________________ "Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic." AC Clarke

09-02-2005, 08:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,524

divna

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Re: Maria's laying system Quote:

Wow, after all that typing, I'm exhausted before I've even started i am reading it,pass me an aspirin no seriously good luck ;D divna __________________ divna

09-03-2005, 01:26 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Thanks, guys ... :-* Wolf, I know exactly what you mean. It's true that early in the day there sometimes isn't enough money available on the system. But there normally is by lunch-time ... :\ My own experience is that if I leave unmatched money "inside the spread" (i.e. between the highest price available to back and the lowest price available to lay) or even a bit higher than the lowest price available to lay, it's almost always taken. The first time I go through my bets, barring obvious favourites, I leave them all unmatched. Then when I've got to the end, I go back round again and see what's been taken. The whole thing only takes three minutes if I do it that way. Sometimes I'll be at home anyway and have more time available.

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Why are you so reluctant to leave unmatched bets on the system? ??? __________________ maria santonix

09-03-2005, 11:16 AM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,642

Wolf

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Re: Maria's laying system

Thanks for your comments, Maria. Well, I suppose I am now a bit oldfashion and like to know exactly where my money is. For me leaving umatched bets on betfair appears to me as going into a bookie, handing over £50.00 and asking the bookie to put my money on a 6/1 winner lol. This example might be a bit farfetched but this is how I feel if I cannot see my money. I will eagerly antiscipate your results though. Wolf

09-03-2005, 11:43 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Ok, here we go ... But, before we go anywhere (she said nervously!), please bear in mind that with a high turnover laying system, one must take a long-term view. A day's results mean very little, and even a month's results don't mean a lot - and there will be losing months, I promise. What matters is a year's results. Really. The First Day ... 8) Saturday 3rd September ... There won't usually be so many selections in a day, by the way: it's just a "busy Saturday". Glistening 1.45 Haydock ... Icannshift 2.05 Folkestone ... Ditton Dancer 2.10 Thirsk ... Poppy's Footprint 2.40 Thirsk ... McEldowney 3.15 Thirsk ... Wedaad 3.20 Haydock ... Imperial Stride 4.05 Newmarket ...

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Keltic Lord 4.10 Stratford ... Catskill 4.30 Haydock ... For Scarlett 4.55 Thirsk ... Tarabut 5.10 Newmarket ... Black De Bessy 5.15 Stratford ... Pagan Sword 5.40 Newmarket ... Prince of Gold 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Isabella Rossini 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Physical 9.30 Wolverhampton ... Don't pick and choose, trying to fit this "information" in with selections from other sources: it doesn't work that way! ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-04-2005, 01:00 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 1 ... At least if you start off with a particularly bad day, you can legitimately hope to improve ... Glistening 1.45 Haydock ... 4/1, 4.6, £18 ;D Icannshift 2.05 Folkestone ... 4/1, 5.2, £18 ;D Ditton Dancer 2.10 Thirsk ... 11/2, 6.6, £18 :'( Poppy's Footprint 2.40 Thirsk ... 4/1, 5.6, £18 ;D McEldowney 3.15 Thirsk ... 11/4, 3.9, £18 ;D Wedaad 3.20 Haydock ... 7/2, 5.0, £18 ;D Imperial Stride 4.05 Newmarket ... 11/8, 2.06, £30 :'( Keltic Lord 4.10 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.0, £18 ;D Catskill 4.30 Haydock ... 3/1, 4.1, £18 ;D For Scarlett 4.55 Thirsk ... 7/4, 3.0, £30 ;D Tarabut 5.10 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.0, £30 ;D Black De Bessy 5.15 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.6, £12 :'( Pagan Sword 5.40 Newmarket ... 9/1, 8.2, £12 :'( Prince of Gold 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 7.0, £18 ;D Isabella Rossini 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 7.0, £18 ;D Physical 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 8.0, £12 ;D Comments:

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;D denotes a winner (horse lost) :'( denotes a loser (horse won) The numbers after the horses' names show the SP, the exchange price at which my lay was taken (including return of backer's stake in the event of the horse winning, i.e. 3.0 means 2/1 and so on) and the backer's stake. Profits (if the horse lost) are the amount shown as the backer's stake. Losses (if it won) are worked out by subtracting 1 from the exchange price and multiplying the result by the stake. Example: Imperial Stride won its race, the lay was at 2.06 for £30, so it cost me £31.80 (1.06 x £30). I put on 14 of today's 16 bets in 5 or 6 minutes not long after I'd posted the selections, and had 2 to check later. My losses here today came to £298.20 and my profits were £234.00 less 5%, which is £222.30, so I made a net loss of £75.90, which is a very bad day (but there'll be worse!). My £3,000 bank is now down to £2924.10, a loss of 2.53%, but using ratchet staking, I'll be laying to the same backers' stakes tomorrow as today, of course. Absolutely disastrous first day - somewhat relieved that I'd already promised that there'll be losing months and that only the year's results matter. I've also worked out what the position would be for someone laying at 10% worse than SP. These figures are all worked out to the nearest pound, so I can't claim they're 100% accurate to the penny. My own are. Actual Results: Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75% September strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 12 wins from 16 selections = 75% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£75.90) Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.53%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.53%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (2.53%) Tomorrow's bank: £2924.10 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£115) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.83%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.83%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (3.83%) Tomorrow's bank: £2881.00 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12 See you tomorrow, if there are any readers left after today! :-[ __________________ maria santonix

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09-04-2005, 11:43 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

The Second Day ...* 8) Sunday 4th September ...

Just the 6 today (and that's quite a lot for a Sunday) ...* Compton Quay 2.35 Fontwell ... Lightning Star 3.10 Fontwell ... Whitethorne 3.20 York ... Ballynattin Buck 4.05 Worcester ... Monterey Bay 4.30 Galway ... Ali D 5.30 York ...

Lays, not bets to back!* ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-04-2005, 05:10 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 2 ... Compton Quay 2.35 Fontwell ... 11/4, 4, £18* ;D Lightning Star 3.10 Fontwell ... 2/1, 3.25, £30* ;D Whitethorne 3.20 York ... 13/2, 7.2, £18* ;D Ballynattin Buck 4.05 Worcester ... 9/2, 7, £18* ;D Monterey Bay 4.30 Galway ... non-runner Ali D 5.30 York ... 13/2, 9.2, £12* ;D Comments: I lost out by not being able to lay Ali D at SP, because it meant that I won a backer's stake of only £12 instead of £18 (it happens). Got all the bets on in about 2 minutes, today. It's all a lot easier than my long-winded explanations make it look. Was just clarifying the situation here and trying to answer all the questions I could think of - they'll get shorter.* Profits (if the horse lost) are the amount shown as the backer's stake. Losses (if it

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won) are worked out by subtracting 1 from the exchange price and multiplying the result by the stake. But there were no losses today, mercifully, and my profits were £96.00 less 5% commission, which is £91.20 ...* * My original £3,000 bank now stands at £3015.30, a profit of 0.51%. This means that the backers' stakes to which I lay tomorrow will increase. Actual Results:

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 5 selections = 100%* September strike-rate: 17 wins from 21 selections = 80.95% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 17 wins from 21 selections = 80.95% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £96 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.28% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.051% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 0.051% Tomorrow's bank: £3015.30 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.15/£18.09/£12.06 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £96 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.33% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.1%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (0.1%) Tomorrow's bank: £2997.00 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12 __________________ maria santonix

09-04-2005, 07:11 PM Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 675

The Saint Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Nicely done. __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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Mabbs

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Re: Maria's laying system

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Good day Maria __________________

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09-04-2005, 09:39 PM Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,007

peteg40 Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Nice thread Maria, keep them coming 8) __________________ GL whatever you punt today...... Pete

09-04-2005, 09:50 PM Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,524

divna Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

WELL DONE ;D divna __________________ divna

09-05-2005, 10:46 AM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,643

Wolf

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Re: Maria's laying system

Very nice so far, Maria! It looks good to me albeit a few too many selections. Let's see how it continues! Wolf

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09-05-2005, 11:54 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Thank you, guys ... :-* There are many selections, yes (though not normally anything like we had on Saturday); but it's a high-volume system: the aim is that every lay is a "value bet" and although there will always be losers (horses winning), in the long run the higher the turnover, the more steadily the "edge" gets exerted ... that's the theory anyway ... :-\ "There's safety in numbers." Ok, pressing on ... The Third Day ... Monday 5th September ... 5 lays for today ... Sofinella 2.20 Warwick ... Archimboldo 2.40 Bath ... Stepping Up 2.30 Newcastle ... Binty 4.00 Newcastle ... Askwith 5.00 Newcastle ... I think these should all be within the 11 (10/1) cut-off. Binty's the borderline one, but I'll be leaving my lay unmatched at 11 and we'll just have to see if it gets taken. It's quite possible that I might have to exclude it from either or both sets of results, of course. Some of the "SP+10%" lays will get cut off by never having been available within the price cut-off on the exchanges, but fortunately this is easy to see there on their little charts. For anyone following the system and laying them, of course, it's much easier: all you have to do if one is "too high priced" is leave your bet unmatched at 11. Either it's taken or not: you don't need to keep checking like I occasionally have to for the slightly artificla purposes of compiling this thread ... ??? __________________ maria santonix

09-05-2005, 01:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Note: In the post above, when discussing whether the horses might not be available to lay within the cut-off, I meant to say "Askwith". I don't want to go back into the post and edit it after the racing's started, because I always think a post look a bit suspicious if it's been edited after one of the horses mentioned in it has already run ... ??? I mention this only for clarity. None of it is significant to anyone following the system,

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because all you need to do with the occasional high-priced one is leave your lay unmatched at 11: you don't need to be online for more than a few minutes a day to do all of these (and I'm sometimes not).

I meant to spell "artificial" correctly in the last line, as well! __________________ maria santonix

09-05-2005, 05:57 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 3 ... Sofinella 2.20 Warwick ... non-runner Archimboldo 2.40 Bath ... 3/1, 3.9, £18* :'( Stepping Up 2.30 Newcastle ... 13/2, 7.6, £12* :'( Binty 4.00 Newcastle ... 10/1, 11, £12* ;D Askwith 5.00 Newcastle ... 10/1, 10.5, £12* ;D Comments: Not possible to lay either Binty or Askwith at SP+10% within the cut-off today, so they must both be excluded from the "SP+10%" results, to keep it honest. In reality, I had no difficulty laying both within the cut-off, though, so they're in my actual results ...* My profits today came to £22.80 (that's £24 minus 5% exchange commission) but my losses were £131.40, leaving a net loss of £108.60 ...* :'( My guess is that from doing 2 separate sets of results like this, we're going to learn that the quick-and-easy practicality is much better than one might think: leaving lays unmatched at 11 will result in some profits (but very, very few losses, I hope) which the "artificial system" of calculating as 10% above SP excludes because of the cut-off ... but I might turn out to be wrong, of course ...* :-\ Miserable poxy results, today: my original £3,000 bank has now fallen to £2906.70, a loss of 3.11%. But I'll still be laying to backer's stakes of £30.15, £18.09 and £12.06 tomorrow, with the "ratchet" system of not reducing the stakes. Results: Today's strike-rate: 2 wins from 4 selections = 50% September strike-rate: 19 wins from 25 selections = 76% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 19 wins from 25 selections = 76% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£108.60) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.54%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.11%)

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: (3.11%) Tomorrow's bank: £2906.70 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.15/£18.09/£12.06 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£145.20) Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.84%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.94%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (4.94%) Tomorrow's bank: £2851.80 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12 __________________ maria santonix

09-05-2005, 06:20 PM Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 216

Kimberley B Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Well done Maria

09-06-2005, 11:56 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

And on the Fourth Day ... : ... the system produced 7 lays, all currently under the price cut-off and a couple very short ... Fusili 1.50 Lingfield ... Riyalma 2.10 Leicester ... Charming Ballet 2.20 Lingfield ... Rosthwaite 3.00 Catterick ... Phluke 3.30 Catterick ... Avicia 4.50 Lingfield ... Red Opera 5.00 Catterick ...

__________________ maria santonix

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09-06-2005, 06:45 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 4 ... Fusili 1.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 6.6, £18.09 ;D Riyalma 2.10 Leicester ... 4/1, 6.0 £18.09 ;D Charming Ballet 2.20 Lingfield ... 4/1, 6.4, £18.09 ;D Rosthwaite 3.00 Catterick ... 7/1, £10, £12.06 ;D Phluke 3.30 Catterick ... 9/2, 6.0, £18.09 ;D Avicia 4.50 Lingfield ... 9/2, 4.7, £18.09 ;D And then, just when it looked like such a nice day, a wheel had to come off ...

Red Opera 5.00 Catterick ... evens, 2.2, £30.15 :'( >

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Comments: Red Opera the only winner, and for once my actual lay and SP+10% were at the same figure (it only matters when they win, obviously). The trick with an obvious shortpriced favourite - not that there are many in this system, to be honest - is of course to try to put your lay on later rather than earlier in the expectation that it will shorten; or failing that, just to leave it unmatched at a slightly better figure than is available if you can only look at lunch-time, in the confident expectation that it will shorten (you might just miss the very occasional one this way, I suppose, but it won't make much difference in the long run). My profits today came to £97.38 (that's £102.51 minus 5% exchange commission) but Red Opera cost me £36.18, so the day's net profit came down to £61.20. The bank has now recovered a bit, to £2967.90, a loss of only 1.07% of the original £3000. And of course I'll still be laying to backer's stakes of £30.15, £18.09 and £12.06 tomorrow ... Results: Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71% September strike-rate: 25 wins from 32 selections = 78.12% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 25 wins from 32 selections = 78.12% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £61.20 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.31% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.07%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: (1.07%) Tomorrow's bank: £2967.90 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.15/£18.09/£12.06 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £61.20

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.35% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.7%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (2.7%) Tomorrow's bank: £2919.00 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12 ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-06-2005, 10:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,524

divna Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

i think i need another aspirin divna __________________ divna

09-06-2005, 10:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Keep taking the tablets, Divna, and you'll be ok in the morning! :-* __________________ maria santonix

09-07-2005, 11:53 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

The Fifth Day, Wedesday 7th September ...

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Macvel 1.15 Doncaster ... Irish Wolf 2.00 Uttoxeter ... Baltic King 2.25 Doncaster ... Staff Nurse 2.35 Uttoxeter ... Red Duster 3.15 Epsom ... Sardagna 4.15 Uttoxeter ... Percy's Pearl 4.40 Doncaster ... Dream Tonic 5.00 Epsom ...

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09-07-2005, 04:59 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Ressults Update: Day 5 ...

Finally a clean sweep today, and all at good, layable prices ...* Macvel 1.15 Doncaster ... 7/1, 9.1, £12.06* ;D Irish Wolf 2.00 Uttoxeter ... 3/1, 3.4, £30.15* ;D Baltic King 2.25 Doncaster ... 8/1, 8.8, £12.06* ;D Staff Nurse 2.35 Uttoxeter ... 7/2, 4.6, £18.09* ;D Red Duster 3.15 Epsom ... 5/2, 3.4, £30.15* ;D Sardagna 4.15 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.2, £18.09* ;D Percy's Pearl 4.40 Doncaster ... 7/2, 4.8, £18.09* ;D Dream Tonic 5.00 Epsom ... 10/1, 9.1, £12.06* ;D Comments: Red Duster (which gave me a scary moment when it ran pretty well!) was not quite so good for the SP+10% results today, because its SP of 5/2 means that the articificially inflated laying price put it into the next bracket, therefore winning only £18.09 rather than £30.15. My profits today came to £143.21 (that's £150.75 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses, so the bank reaches a new high of £3111.11 and tomorrow I'll be laying to backers' stakes of £31.11, £18.66 and £12.44. Results: Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100.00%* September strike-rate: 33 wins from 40 selections = 82.5% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 33 wins from 40 selections = 82.5% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £143.21 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.82% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.7%

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3.7% Tomorrow's bank: £3111.11 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £31.11/£18.66/£12.44 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £131.75 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.51% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.69% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 1.69% Tomorrow's bank: £3050.75 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.50/£18.30/£12.20 ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-07-2005, 11:07 PM Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2

Telstar

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Re: Maria's laying system

Nice results today Maria - great stuff Following this with great interest Thanks for your efforts All the best Telstar

09-08-2005, 11:10 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Thanks very much, Telstar ... always nice to know ... The Sixth Day ... Thursday 8th September ... Some of these are currently available to lay at very short prices which could ("therefore") easily shorten even further ... 8) Texas Gold 2.10 Doncaster ... Bridal Path 2.20 Epsom ... Nasheej 2.45 Doncaster ...

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Cupid's Glory 2.55 Epsom ... Burgundy 4.05 Epsom ... Rustler 4.40 Epsom ... Night Storm 4.55 Bath ... Pine Bay 5.15 Epsom ... It would be really pushing our luck to hope for another clean sweep today ... :-\ :-\ :\

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09-08-2005, 04:43 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 6 ... Texas Gold 2.10 Doncaster ... 7/2, 3.3, £31.11* ;D Bridal Path 2.20 Epsom ... 5/4, 2.42, £31.11* ;D Nasheej 2.45 Doncaster ... 4/1, 4.6, £18.66* :'( Cupid's Glory 2.55 Epsom ... evens, 2.3, £31.11* ;D Burgundy 4.05 Epsom ... 11/2, 6.2, £18.66* ;D Rustler 4.40 Epsom ... 6/4, 2.9, £31.11* ;D Night Storm 4.55 Bath ... 4/1, 5.1, £18.66* :'( Pine Bay 5.15 Epsom ... 7/1, 8.6, £12.44* ;D Comments: Not so clever today: only the tiniest of profits ...* :-\ Can hardly object to Nasheej winning after being tipped here by Amy ...* ... but Night Storm also trotting up was most unpleasant and unexpected, for this thread anyway ...* My profits today came to £147.76 (that's £155.54 minus 5% exchange commission), but the losses were £143.68, so the bank gained only £4.08 on balance, reaching £3115.19. Still enough to increase the stakes pro rata, of course, and tomorrow I'll be laying to backers' stakes of £31.15, £18.69 and £12.46. Results: Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75.00% September strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £4.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.13% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.83% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3.83%

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Tomorrow's bank: £3115.19 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £31.15/£18.69/£12.46 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£16.45) Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.54%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.14% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 1.14% Tomorrow's bank: £3034.3 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.50/£18.30/£12.20 ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-08-2005, 08:01 PM Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7

Could_happen Junior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Hello maria, Im new to this board. Im just wondering why its a bad thing Night Storm won, I thought you had it down to win? I betted on it, so I was a happy man. Like i said im new to this board so excuse me if im missing something. Cheers

09-08-2005, 08:42 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Originally Posted by Could_happen Im just wondering why its a bad thing Night Storm won, I thought you had it down to win? Hi and welcome, Could Happen, apologies for my confusing and unexplained comment, and well done for backing it! ...

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This thread is for laying, i.e. horses to lose. So it was a bad thing for this thread that Night Storm won. In my other thread, "Maria's System Selections", which I think you're referring to, the same horse was a system selection, and I had a win bet on it, too. I run these 2 different systems (one for winners in handicaps in the other thread, and one for losers to lay in this thread). It's perfectly possible (because the selection criteria are unrelated) for the same horse to pop up in both systems. Obviously it makes no logical sense to back the horse and lay it (unless you can do so at different prices, by "trading" on the exchanges and lock in a profit regardless of the result, I suppose). But 2 separate systems need 2 separate banks, and I even use 2 separate betting accounts for them as well, just to keep them well apart. So when this happens (and it's really, really rare), I do actually back the horse on one account and lay it on the other. Sounds weird, I know, but it makes it very easy for me to follow what's going on and to keep the books straight. Although I suppose it costs me a few pounds in wasted commission, it avoids any confusion for me with my results. The stakes I use in this thread are on the small side - I have a separate bank of £3000 allocated for this system, and no one result is going to make or break the system anyway. My other account (for the win bets in handicaps) is the one I use for my own "other system" selections and also for following Pete's bets in his thread of handicap win bet selections here, and the amounts of money I stake on each selection are way, way higher. But note that that thread, and Pete's thread, don't have a high strike-rate, and you need to work out what to stake on them (if you're following them at all, I mean) very carefully, because both systems can have some really, really long losing runs. Pete's system has made a profit of about 135 points over the last 170 days to level stakes at starting price. Mine is actually making a loss at the moment to level stakes at starting price. Both these systems are not for the faint-hearted and need a lot of capital or very small bets, or both! Do feel free to post any questions here, and I'll answer if I can, and other people probably will, too. I just hope my answer hasn't made the matter more opaque instead of clearer?! :-[ __________________ maria santonix

09-09-2005, 09:42 AM Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7

Could_happen Junior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Cheers for the reply, much appreciated. I understand what you mean now. When I joined the board I was looking at your thread for a few tips and some of them have paid off, so thank you for that.

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I only bet in small amount myself to be honest, last couple days ive been about 15 quid up, which isn't alot but I enjoy the betting side of it. Thanks again for your help.

09-09-2005, 10:05 AM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,586

Wolf Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

£115.00 plus on £3,000 in less than 1 week isn't a bad rate of interest! Long may it last! Wolf

09-09-2005, 11:55 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Thanks, Wolf ... I'm afraid it can be a bit "swingy", though ... there will be losing months (and this might still be one of them) but I've worked out from the last year's results that my £3000 starting bank ought to be enough to ride out any storms and be comfortably in profit after another year. "Famous last words?" __________________ maria santonix

09-09-2005, 11:56 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

The Seventh Day ... Friday 9th September ...

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9 lays today ... Ecomium 1.40 Doncaster ... Backstreet Lad 1.55 Bangor ... Niobe 2.10 Doncaster ... Sound And Vision 2.25 Bangor ... My Immortal 2.45 Doncaster ... Ela Paparouna 3.10 Sandown ... Very Wise 3.45 Sandown ... Matty Tun 4.30 Doncaster ... Castle Oliver 5.15 Bangor ...

Good luck! __________________ maria santonix

09-09-2005, 05:45 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 7 ...

No complaints today ... Ecomium 1.40 Doncaster ... 11/4, 3.4, £31.15 ;D Backstreet Lad 1.55 Bangor ... 10/3, 4.8, £18.69 ;D Niobe 2.10 Doncaster ... 11/2, 5.4, £18.69 ;D Sound And Vision 2.25 Bangor ... 5/1, 5.7, £18.69 ;D My Immortal 2.45 Doncaster ... 11/2, 7.2, £18.69 ;D Ela Paparouna 3.10 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.2, £18.69 ;D Very Wise 3.45 Sandown ... 4/1, 5.8, £18.69 ;D Matty Tun 4.30 Doncaster ... 13/2, 7.0, £18.69 ;D Castle Oliver 5.15 Bangor ... 8/1*, 9.2, £12.24 ;D Comments: * This SP for Castle Oliver is a complete guess, since for some reason although the horse ran, its SP isn't shown on the SportingLife results page. Since it came nowhere, and we lay to fixed backer's stakes (of £12.24, in this case) it's not relevant to our result, anyway (+£12.24, obviously). But for the record, when I find the actual SP tomorrow I'll come back to this post, fill it in and delete this paragraph ... ??? My profits today came to £165.51 (that's £174.22 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses, so the bank has reached a new high of £3280.70. The stakes increase pro rata and tomorrow I'll be laying to backers' stakes of £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12. Results:

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Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 9 selections = 100.00% September strike-rate: 48 wins from 57 selections = 84.21% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 48 wins from 57 selections = 84.21% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £165.51 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.31% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.35% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 9.35% Tomorrow's bank: £3280.70 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12. SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £162.26) Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.34% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.85% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 6.85% Tomorrow's bank: £3196.56 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78 ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-09-2005, 05:59 PM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,521

favs Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Nice Going Maria __________________ "Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic." AC Clarke

09-10-2005, 01:21 AM Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 41

Janis Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Sveika, Maria! Are you in the UK? As you see from my first words I guess I know where you or your family are from. Am I right? As you may guess from my name, I am from the same area. I decided to write in English in case I am wrong. Anyway please excuse my

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mistakes in English. At least I can spellcheck. I am here silently since before you started your handicaps thread. I thought I know your name and maybe who you are from another site so I stayed here. I am a lecturer and researcher in maths and statistics. I used Betfair to lay for 18 months now. I subscribe to two quite good lay tipping services with selections mostly the same prices as yours. But not free like yours and not so good this week also. I am in profit over 18 months but not easily. The problems with laying to fixed stakes and laying to fixed risks are exactly as you say at the start of this thread. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your brilliant staking system. It's really clever. I was looking at it all week. The cleverness is hidden in the design and it's so simple to use. I think you made this system sound harder to do than it really is. Over a long time you really combine the most profits with the smallest risks. I checked my lay results from 18 months carefully and if I use your staking system I make twice as much profit and I live in less danger also. Now I feel very stupid because I never thought of this staking system. You are right that the year's results mean something, the month's results do not. How long do you have records from? In an ideal world you may change the bank and the stakes after every bet not after every day. But of course this is more difficult to do. Trusting you I started off with £3,000 on day 1 also with a bank just for your lays. Now I have £3,305 so I was a little luckier than you this week with prices. Usually I just do them all together quickly and hope for the best, very easy this way. Good to see you give real live results not inflated figures. I think this system always make less profits at 10% above SP. This is just not real. People say that it's difficult to lay at SP on average but this is false. Sometimes better and sometimes worse is true. I think some people are just against laying. I often lay your selections better than SP because SP goes higher. Shall I post my own results from your selections here every month so that we compare? How long will you stay doing this thread? I congratulate you. I wish you more success. I hope this will be the most profitable thread of this great site. Visu labu, Janis

09-10-2005, 10:01 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Sveiks, Janis! Many thanks for your very flattering comments and your interesting post. Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis I guess I know where you or your family are from. Am I right? "Mmjaaa!" ;D But how on earth did you guess? It's not as if there are many of us over here ... and my English is pretty fluent now, I hope ... and yes, you must write in English here. But if you send me your email address by private message I will send you something in a better language ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis How long do you have records from? After another week I will have a complete year's results, but please don't ask for the details, for two reasons: first, apart from "general betting gossip" I quote results only if I have tipped the bet in the same place before the race (and that obviously can't apply to historical results) and secondly, it can start arguments, and this site - unlike some others - is so very pleasant and friendly that that's absolutely the last thing I'd ever want to do. I will say that I started off almost a year ago with £1000 and the current £3000 bank has all come out of the net profits from the same system, but that doesn't mean that the next year will be anything like as good, obviously. It might even be a losing year. Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis In an ideal world you may change the bank and the stakes after every bet not after every day. Yes, I completely agree. But one can't do this and retain the ability to go out in the afternoons and browse all the shoe-shops and book-shops, and I'm just not prepared to live glued to the screen. I sometimes do it, but only when I feel like it, not because I have to. I do this instead of a job because I want it to support me and leave me free to live a life here, not because I want it become a "job". Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis Trusting you I started off with £3,000 on day 1 also with a bank just for your lays. "You mad, reckless fool!" ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis I think this system always make less profits at 10% above SP. This is just not real. Yes, I completely agree with this. But if I did it using SP people would imagine (wrongly in my opinion) that it's not possible to lay to SP on average, and dismiss the results. And we all want credibility, naturally. The true results are my own real results, but I cannot really "prove" them ... :-X Quote:

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Originally Posted by Janis I think some people are just against laying. Mmmmjaaa, maybe ... ??? I suspect that a few punters still have some prejudice against laying because it feels to them like joining the opposition and becoming a bookie, but not at this site, I think, and certainly not among people who will read this thread anyway. For myself, I don't care too much where the money comes from as long as I can spend it in Border's and Blahnik's ... 8)

But I'm still a long way from doing that out of laying, with only a £3000 bank ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis Shall I post my own results from your selections here every month so that we compare? Yes, thank you; great idea. It will be very interesting to see, and you can also perhaps vouch for the integrity and feasibility of my own results if you do that. I was planning to post a "round-up of the month" at the end of each calendar month and that would be a good and welcome time for it. In fact if you will kindly do that regularly, I might at some future point drop the "SP+10% results" which are so artificial anyway. Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis How long will you stay doing this thread? Until they jeer me off, I suppose. A wheel will perhaps come off eventually. I believe that, in principle, no system will last successfully for ever, although our friend Pete is having a really tremendous run with his, and as long as he keeps the fourth filter quiet, maybe it can just keep going? (I like "detective work" and I've tried at great length to work it out but I can't so far; though to be fair, if ever I did I wouldn't breathe a word anyway, so I might be lying!) I publish the selections happily, but not the system. And there will come a day when nobody will want it anyway, I dare say. Visu labu ... ;D __________________ maria santonix

09-10-2005, 11:09 AM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,578

Wolf

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Re: Maria's laying system

Looking good, Maria! Wolf

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09-10-2005, 11:44 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Thank you, Wolf :-* I hope a wheel doesn't come off today - a busy Saturday with bad weather and so many selections (why isn't there a smiley for "anxious"?) ... 14 today, I'm afraid, but all of them comfortably available to lay within the 10/1 price cut-off ... My guess is that Zaal and Zalimar might shorten, so I'm not in a hurry to lay those two ... Listen To Reason 1.30 Wolverhampton ... Kalani Star 2.20 Musselburgh ... Malvern Light 2.30 Goodwood ... Savile's Delight 2.40 Chester ... Sierra Vista 3.15 Chester ... Little Miss Gracie 3.30 Musselburgh ... Salinja 3.40 Goodwood ... Celebration Song 3.50 Chester ... Zaal 4.20 Chester ... Jaassey 4.35 Musselburgh ... Creative Mind 4.40 Doncaster ... Zalimar 5.10 Musselburgh ... Pro Tempore 5.15 Goodwood ... Golden Boot 5.25 Chester ...

Good luck, and don't forget your umbrella ... __________________ maria santonix

09-10-2005, 05:12 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 8 ...

Not so clever today ...* Listen To Reason 1.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.0, £19.68 ;D Kalani Star 2.20 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 10.2, £13.12 ;D Malvern Light 2.30 Goodwood ... 16/1*, 6.6, 19.68 ;D

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Savile's Delight 2.40 Chester ... 11/2, 7.0, 19.68 ;D Sierra Vista 3.15 Chester ... 9/2, 5.6, £19.68 ;D Little Miss Gracie 3.30 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 9.4, £13.12 ;D Salinja 3.40 Goodwood ... 8/1, 7.4, £19.68 ;D Celebration Song 3.50 Chester ... 6/1, 7.8, £13.12 :'( Zaal 4.20 Chester ... 4/1, 4.1, £19.68 :'( Jaassey 4.35 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 6.8, £19.68, ;D Creative Mind 4.40 Doncaster ... 4/1, 6.2, £19.68 ;D Zalimar 5.10 Musselburgh ... evens, 2.1, £32.80 :'( Pro Tempore 5.15 Goodwood ... 9/1, 10.4, £13.12 ;D Golden Boot 5.25 Chester ... 4/1, 5.4, £19.68 :'( Comments: * This SP for Malvern Light is very hard to believe. I got my lay on ages before at 6.6. It could turn out to be a mistake on the SportingLife results pages (wouldn't be the first time) and if it is, I'll amend it tomorrow. But I'd better leave its profits out of the "SP+10%" results just in case it's true, because it's miles outside the cut-off. (Talk about "drifting"!). My profits today came to £168.26 (that's £177.12 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses on the 4 winners came to a staggering £272.99, leaving a net loss on the day of £104.63 ... So my bank has now fallen back to £3176.07 but tomorrow I'll still be laying to the same backers' stakes as today. Results: Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 14 selections = 71.42%* :'( September strike-rate: 58 wins from 71 selections = 81.69% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 58 wins from 71 selections = 81.69% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£104.63) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.19%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.87% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 5.87% Tomorrow's bank: £3176.07 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12. SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£128.78) Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.03%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.26% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 2.26% Tomorrow's bank: £3067.78 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78 :-\ __________________ maria santonix

09-11-2005, 12:17 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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The Ninth Day ... Sunday 11th September ... 8 to lay today ... 8) Cirrus 2.25 Stratford ... This Is My Song 2.35 Goodwood ... Charango Star 3.00 Stratford ... Loughlorien 3.20 Carlisle ... Knight's Emperor 4.05 Stratford ... Nudrah 4.15 Goodwood ... Ostfanni 5.00 Carlisle ... Kareeb 5.25 Goodwood ...

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09-11-2005, 05:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Results Update: Day 9 ... Cirrus 2.25 Stratford ... 7/2, 6.2, £19.68 ;D This Is My Song 2.35 Goodwood ... 6/1, 7.2 £19.68 ;D Charango Star 3.00 Stratford ... 9/4, 3.6, £19.68 :'( Loughlorien 3.20 Carlisle ... 6/1, 7.4, £19.68 ;D Knight's Emperor 4.05 Stratford ... 5/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D Nudrah 4.15 Goodwood ... 1/3, 1.3, £32.80 :'( Ostfanni 5.00 Carlisle ... 4/1, 5.4, £19.68 ;D Kareeb 5.25 Goodwood ... 7/1, 9.4, £13.12 ;D Comments: I'm not going to lose too much sleep over Nudrah winning at 1/3 after the widely fancied Scandal Keeper had been withdrawn from the race. Accidents don't get much cheaper than that: I lost only £9.84 laying to win the 1% fixed stake of the bank (£32.80). Charango Star winning at 9/4 was another matter, and shouldn't be allowed ... My profits today came to £105.95 (that's £111.52 minus 5% exchange commission), and my losses were £61.01, making a net profit on the day of £44.94. The bank has now crept back up to £3221.01 and tomorrow I'll still be laying to the same backers' stakes as today.

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Results: Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75% September strike-rate: 64 wins from 79 selections = 81.01% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 64 wins from 79 selections = 81.01% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £44.94 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.41% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.37% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 7.37% Tomorrow's bank: £3221.01 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12. SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £54.84 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.79% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.09% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 4.09% Tomorrow's bank: £3112.62 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78

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09-11-2005, 06:35 PM Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,524

divna

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Re: Maria's laying system

oh my poor head divna __________________ divna

09-12-2005, 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

maria Senior Member

Re: Maria's laying system

The Tenth Day ... Monday 12th September ...

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Six selections today ... a couple of these might have to be excluded from the SP+10% results if they drift much, because they might go past the cut-off. But at the moment they're all layable within our rules ... 8) Active Audience 2.20 Musselburgh ... Commentary 2.30 Folkestone ... Cherished Number 2.50 Musselburgh ... Triskaidekaphobia 3.50 Musselburgh ... Awaken 4.10 Redcar ... Courageously 4.20 Musselburgh ...

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Results Update: Day 10 ...

An unusually bad today, by any standards ... Active Audience 2.20 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 8.8, £13.12 ;D Commentary 2.30 Folkestone ... 9/2, 4.6, £19.68 :'( Cherished Number 2.50 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D Triskaidekaphobia 3.50 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 7.0, £19.68 ;D Awaken 4.10 Redcar ... 8/1, 7.8, £13.12 :'( Courageously 4.20 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 10.5, £13.12 ;D Comments: My profits today came to £62.32 (that's £65.60 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were £160.07, making a net loss on the day of £97.75. The bank has now fallen back to £3123.26 and tomorrow I'll still be laying to the same backers' stakes as today. One result made the difference between a small profit and a big loss on the day, which is partly why I feel so much secure with slightly more selections, I admit. But we're still in profit, and patience and discipline will see us through ... Results: Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.66% :'( September strike-rate: 68 wins from 85 selections = 80% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 68 wins from 85 selections = 80% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£97.75) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.03%)

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.11% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 4.11% Tomorrow's bank: £3123.26 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12. SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£115.02) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.69%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.08%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (0.08%) Tomorrow's bank: £2997.60 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78 :-\ __________________ maria santonix

09-13-2005, 12:01 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

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The Eleventh Day ... Tuesday 13th September ... No shortage of selections today ... :-\ Cantabilly 2.10 Salisbury ... Picot De Say 2.20 Yarmouth ... Jumbajukiba 2.40 Salisbury ... Northern Boy 3.00 Thirsk ... Kalankari 3.10 Salisbury ... Tamalain 3.40 Salisbury ... Ten Cents 3.50 Yarmouth ... Mustang Ali 4.30 Thirsk ... Entertaining 4.50 Yarmouth ... Top Mark 5.10 Salisbury ... Whitbarrow 5.20 Yarmouth ...

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Results Update: Day 11 ... I'm afraid we managed to lose a few pounds today, mostly owing to Jumbajukiba being the surprise 10/1 winner of the 2.40 at Salisbury ... it really shouldn't be allowed ... : Cantabilly 2.10 Salisbury ... 9/1, 9.0, £13.12 ;D Picot De Say 2.20 Yarmouth ... 9/2, 5.2, £19.68 :'( Jumbajukiba 2.40 Salisbury ... 10/1, 10.0 £13.12 :'( Northern Boy 3.00 Thirsk ... 6/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D Kalankari 3.10 Salisbury ... 5/1, 6.6, £19.68 ;D Tamalain 3.40 Salisbury ... 7/2, 4.8, £19.68 ;D Ten Cents 3.50 Yarmouth ... 6/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D Mustang Ali 4.30 Thirsk ... 13/2, 7.4, £19.68 ;D Entertaining 4.50 Yarmouth ... 7/2, 5.0, £19.68 ;D Top Mark 5.10 Salisbury ... 4/1, 5.6, £19.68 ;D Whitbarrow 5.20 Yarmouth ... 7/2, 4.8, £19.68 ;D Comments: My profits today came to £162.02 (that's 170.56 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were a staggering £200.74, leaving a deficit on the day of £38.71 The bank has now slipped back to £3084.55 and tomorrow I'll still be laying to the same backers' stakes as today. Today's strike-rate would normally produce a very reasonable profit: we were just unlucky today that the highest-priced selection came home. And at least the staking system protected us from a much worse accident ... Results: Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82%* :'( September strike-rate: 77 wins from 96 selections = 80.21% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 77 wins from 96 selections = 80.21% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£38.71) Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.24%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.82% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2.82% Tomorrow's bank: £3084.55 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12. SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£71.85) Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.4%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.47%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (2.47%) Tomorrow's bank: £2925.75 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78 :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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09-20-2005, 05:17 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

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Results Update: Day 18 ...

Lost a few pounds today; fortunately nothing disastrous ...* : This is very typical of what happens on days with 9 or 10 selections (as mentioned above) when there are two surprises ... Kyoto Summit 1.45 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4 £21.46* ;D Scarlet Flyer 2.00 Brighton ... 9/2, 5.6 £21.46* :'( The Plainsman 2.10 Beverley ... 5/1, 6.8, £21.46* ;D Island Prince 2.40 Beverley ... 17/2, 9.0 £14.30* ;D Ebraam 2.55 Newmarket ... 9/2, 4.7, £21.46* ;D Bigalos Bandit 3.15 Beverely ... 4/1, 5.8, £21.46* ;D Aggravation 3.40 Brighton ... 7/2, 5.0, £21.46* ;D Melvino 4.50 Brighton ... 9/4, 3.6, £21.46* :'( Robustian 5.15 Brighton ... 7/2, 4.8 £21.46* ;D Comments: My profits today came to £135.90 (that's £143.06 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were £154.52, leaving a net loss of £18.62 on the day. So the bank is now £3558.65 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results: Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.77%* :P September strike-rate: 147 wins from 177 selections = 83.05% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 147 wins from 177 selections = 83.05% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£18.62) Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.52%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 18.62% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 18.62% Tomorrow's bank: £3558.65 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£21.58) Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.65%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.13% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 9.13% Tomorrow's bank: £3274.07 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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09-21-2005, 10:46 AM Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,587

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Re: Maria's laying system

It still looks very good to me, Maria. Wolf

09-21-2005, 11:44 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

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Steady-ish month so far ... only one really disastrous day, and a couple of clear days ... it can get a lot more "swingy and adventurous" than this, to be honest ... 8) The Nineteenth Day ... Wednesday 21st September ... Nothing special, today ... only 7 and no real shorties ... Temper Tantrum 2.10 Goodwood ... Rajaall 2.45 Goodwood ... Beavor Patrol 3.20 Goodwood ... Aimee Vibert 4.15 Redcar ... Zayn Zen 4.30 Goodwood ... Jilly Why 4.50 Redcar ... Kennington 5.55 Redcar ...

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Results Update: Day 19 ...

Bad day today ... one too many bets lost ... > Temper Tantrum 2.10 Goodwood ... 8/1, 8.2, £14.30 ;D Rajaall 2.45 Goodwood ... 4/1, 5.9, £21.46 ;D Beaver Patrol 3.20 Goodwood ... 6/1, 7.8, £14.30 :'( Aimee Vibert 4.15 Redcar ... 6/1, 7.0, £21.46 ;D Zayn Zen 4.30 Goodwood ... 8/1, 8.4, £14.30 ;D Jilly Why 4.50 Redcar ... 13/2, 6.4, £21.46 ;D Kennington 5.55 Redcar ... 8/1, 8.0, £14.30 :'( Comments: My profits today came to £88.33 (that's £92.98 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were £211.64, leaving a net loss of £123.31 on the day. So the bank is now £3435.34 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results: Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.42%* > September strike-rate: 152 wins from 184 selections = 82.61% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 152 wins from 184 selections = 82.61% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£123.31) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.46%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.51% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 14.51% Tomorrow's bank: £3435.34 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£121.58) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.71%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.08% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 5.08% Tomorrow's bank: £3152.49 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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The Twentieth Day ... Thursday 22nd September ... "Lays at all prices today" ... 8) I'm not for a moment suggesting that all of these will lose their races (in fact that would be virtually impossible) but there really do seem to be some tremendous value lays available today, and I'll be really disappointed if I'm not in profit at the end of the day, out of this lot ... Millquista D'Or 2.10 Fontwell ... Catch The Perk 2.20 Perth ... Amy Louise 2.30 Pontefract ... Antica 2.30 Pontefract ... Lucky Arthur 2.40 Fontwell ... Damelza 3.00 Pontefract ... Lightin Jack 3.10 Fontwell ... Mr Mischief 3.20 Perth ... Miss Merenda 3.40 Fontwell ... Risky Way 3.50 Perth ... Roman Candle 4.10 Fontwell ... Feanor 4.20 Perth ... Romany Dream 4.40 Fontwell ... Native Chancer 5.10 Fontwell ... Yourman 5.10 Fontwell ...

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Results Update: Day 20 ... Very disappointing, today ... four was definitely one winner too many: any one of the four could have made the difference between a profitable and a losing day (and that's all too often the case, unfortunately) ... > Millquista D'Or 2.10 Fontwell ... 8/1, 9.2, £14.30 ;D Catch The Perk 2.20 Perth ... 7/2, 3.4, £35.77 ;D Amy Louise 2.30 Pontefract ... evens, 2.4, £35.77 ;D Antica 2.30 Pontefract ... 13/2, 7.4, £21.46 ;D Lucky Arthur 2.40 Fontwell ... 5/1, 6.0 £21.46 ;D Damelza 3.00 Pontefract ... 15/2, 7.8, £14.30 :'( Lightin Jack 3.10 Fontwell ... 9/4, 3.1, £35.77 ;D Mr Mischief 3.20 Perth ... 7/4, 2.74, £35.77 ;D Miss Merenda 3.40 Fontwell ... 4/1, 5.0, £21.46 :'( Risky Way 3.50 Perth ... 9/1, 8.6, £14.30 ;D

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Roman Candle 4.10 Fontwell ... 4/1, 4.2 £21.46 :'( Feanor 4.20 Perth ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D Romany Dream 4.40 Fontwell ... 9/2, 5.5, £21.46 ;D Native Chancer 5.10 Fontwell ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.46 ;D Yourman 5.10 Fontwell ... 2/1, 3.6, £21.46 :'( Comments: My profits today came to £273.13 (that's £287.51 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were £307.55, leaving a net loss of £34.42 on the day. So the bank is now £3400.92 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results: Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 15 selections = 73.33%* > September strike-rate: 163 wins from 199 selections = 81.91% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 163 wins from 199 selections = 81.91% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£34.42) Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.0%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.36% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 13.36% Tomorrow's bank: £3400.92 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£47.88) Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.52%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.49% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3.49% Tomorrow's bank: £3104.61 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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09-23-2005, 12:08 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

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The Twenty-First Day ... Friday 23rd September ... A busy day for laying again today (I'm pleased to say, with the weather/going being as unreliable as they are), and some real shorties today ... 8) Polliwilline 1.30 Haydock ...

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Noble Sham 2.10 Worcester ... Squadron Leader 2.20 Lingfield ... Reviving 2.30 Haydock ... Ofaraby 2.50 Lingfield ... Charlie Delta 3.00 Haydock ... Qabas 3.10 Warwick ... Fall In Line 3.25 Lingfield ... Doctored 3.35 Haydock ... Smart Boy Prince 3.45 Worcester ... Hinterland 4.05 Haydock ... Hey Presto 4.30 Lingfield ... Call Me Max 5.00 Lingfield ... Bethany's Boy 5.10 Haydock ...

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09-23-2005, 04:46 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

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Results Update: Day 21 ... Polliwilline 1.30 Haydock ... 11/2, 7.8, £14.30 :'( Noble Sham 2.10 Worcester ... 15/8, 2.8, £35.77 :'( Squadron Leader 2.20 Lingfield ... 2/1, 3.25, £35.77 ;D Reviving 2.30 Haydock ... 4/1, 5.4, £21.46 ;D Ofaraby 2.50 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.4, £21.46 ;D Charlie Delta 3.00 Haydock ... 5/1, 4.8, £21.46 ;D Qabas 3.10 Warwick ... 13/8, 2.64, £35.77 ;D Fall In Line 3.25 Lingfield ... 10/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D Doctored 3.35 Haydock ... 11/2, 6.8, £21.46 ;D Smart Boy Prince 3.45 Worcester ... 6/1, 6.8, £21.46 ;D Hinterland 4.05 Haydock ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.46 :'( Hey Presto 4.30 Lingfield ... 12/1!, 11.0, £14.30 ;D Call Me Max 5.00 Lingfield ... 11/4, 3.4, £35.77 ;D Bethany's Boy 5.10 Haydock ... 8/1, 6.2, £21.46 ;D Comments: I'm really dismayed today. Noble Sham was a real "value lay", typical of the kind that can go wrong; Hinterland was just the sort of coup that will happen from time to time; but Polliwilline was just a plain "accident", in other words the system went wrong by selecting it. All very unfortunate. And at the end of the day, I've made only £6.49 on what should have been a good day! : And the "SP+10%" results have even made a loss because I had to exclude Hey Presto from them. I got my lay matched at 11.0 with no problem, but the SP was 12/1, so we can't count the profit from that one!

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My profits today came to £258.24 (that's £271.83 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were a very unfortunate £251.75, leaving a net profit of only £6.49. So the bank is now £3407.41 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results: Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.57%* > September strike-rate: 174 wins from 213 selections = 81.69% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 174 wins from 213 selections = 81.69% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £6.49 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.19% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.58% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 13.58% Tomorrow's bank: £3407.41 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£17.20) Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.55%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.91% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2.91% Tomorrow's bank: £3087.41 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18 :-\ __________________ maria santonix

09-24-2005, 12:56 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,765

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The Twenty-Second Day ...

Sorry to be a abit late posting these, today ... : "Bargains at all prices" today ... some real stinkers ... some real shorties ... and a couple I'll have to leave unmatched at 11.0 assuming they'll be taken ... Ouija Board 2.00 Newmarket ... Goblet Of Fire 2.10 Market Rasen ... London Express 2.20 Ripon ... Astrocharm 2.35 Newmarket ... Fool On The Hill 2.45 Market Rasen ... Primus Inter Pares 3.00 Haydock ...

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Alexandrova 3.05 Newmarket ... Penny Thoughts 3.20 Ripon ... Trinculo 3.35 Haydock ... Whirling 3.50 Market Rasen ... Imperial Sword 3.55 Ripon ... Special Moment 4.05 Haydock ... Prairie Sun 4.25 Market Rasen ... Sienna Storm 4.35 Haydock ... Clinet 4.50 Newmarket ... Linda Green 5.30 Ripon ...

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Results Update: Day 22 ... Ouija Board 2.00 Newmarket ... 11/8, 2.38, £35.77* :'( Goblet Of Fire 2.10 Market Rasen ... 9/2, 5.4, £21.46* ;D London Express 2.20 Ripon ... 11/4, 3.7, £21.46* :'( Astrocharm 2.35 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.2, £14.30* ;D Fool On The Hill 2.45 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.8, £14.30* ;D Primus Inter Pares 3.00 Haydock ... 8/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D Alexandrova 3.05 Newmarket ... 11/4, 3.4, £35.77* ;D Penny Thoughts 3.20 Ripon ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.46* ;D Trinculo 3.35 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D Whirling 3.50 Market Rasen ... 5/1, 6.2, £21.46* :'( Imperial Sword 3.55 Ripon ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D Special Moment 4.05 Haydock ... 15/2, 7.4, £21.46* ;D Prairie Sun 4.25 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 4.5, £21.46* ;D Sienna Storm 4.35 Haydock ... 4/1, 4.8, £21.46* :'( Clinet 4.50 Newmarket ... 10/1, 11.0, £14.30* ;D Linda Green 5.30 Ripon ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D Comments: Another bad day. I suppose if you include the real "value shorties" (which are such profitable lays over the long run), you can't object too much to a couple of them scraping home on the same day... these are cheap, anyway ... :P My profits today came to £237.83 (that's £250.35 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were £300.44, leaving a net loss of £62.61 on the day. So the bank is now £3344.80 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results:

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Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75%* > September strike-rate: 186 wins from 229 selections = 81.22% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 174 wins from 213 selections = 81.22% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£62.61) Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.84%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.49% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 11.49% Tomorrow's bank: £3344.80 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£86.25) Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.79%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.04% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 0.04% Tomorrow's bank: £3001.16 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18 :-\ __________________ maria santonix

09-27-2005, 02:39 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Sveiks! I believe the English expression for being there in time to see the prices but not in time to get your lay on, when the horse wins, is a very specific colloquial idiom: it's called "You jammy bastard!" ... In the long run, you must decide whether your lunch is more important than the racing. I do not wish to moralise: it is a matter for your own conscience ... :P Anyway, you did the right thing not backing it "in running", obviously ... though if you wish to try that some time I can recommend a good psychiatrist ... You are exactly right, I lost £64.38 on this one and that only because I got my lay on

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at 4.0 which turned out to be fortunate, in the circumstances ... > Clear Vision is a non-runner, in case you didn't see. So now you are about £95 up and I am about £30 up. Good luck & visu labu ... 8) __________________ maria santonix

09-27-2005, 03:11 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Damn ... Rajeem the very unexpected winner of the 3.55 Nottingham ... "Relevant siblings" hold a less than 3% record over 1m at Nottingham, trainer hasn't had a winner for over 3 weeks, and had only 2 winners out of the last 70-ish races ... what can you do? I am always laying that one ... > Will be lucky to make anything at all on the day, now; and we might be staring a loss in the face ... :'( __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 25 ... Queen's Pudding 1.35 Nottingham ... 4/1, 4.0, £21.46 :'( Seven Samurai 2.00 Goodwood ... 8/1, 9.6, £14.30 ;D Attorney 2.10 Nottingham ... 6/1, 5.7, £21.46 ;D Dead Man's Dante 2.20 Sedgefield ... 10/3, 3.9, £21.46 ;D Missatacama 2.30 Goodwood ... 7/1, 7.4 £21.46 ;D Always Flying 2.55 Sedgefield ... 9/1, 10.0 £14.30 ;D Clear Vision 3.20 Nottingham ... non-runner Rajeem 3.55 Nottingham ... 17/2, 8.4, £14.30 :'( Spanish Rainbow 3.55 Nottingham ... 4/1, 5.6, £21.46 ;D Paradise Mill 4.15 Goodwood ... 2/1, 3.7, £21.46 :'( Billie John 4.40 Sedgefield ... 6/1, 7.0, £21.46 ;D Mr Mischief 5.15 Sedgefield ... 6/5, 2.2, £35.77 :'( Singlet 5.40 Nottingham ... 9/4, 3.3, £35.77 ;D Comments: See comments in the post above about Rajeem. In the long run, it's very profitable laying horses with those statistics. Today was one of the rare days when it isn't. I lost £108 today, more than £105 of it on Rajeem. Frustrating, but laying isn't a very smooth stroll and one needs time for large numbers to assert themselves, as it were ... :-\ My profits today came to £163.08 (that's £171.67 minus 5% exchange commission), but my losses were £271.08, leaving a loss of exactly £108 on the day ... So the bank is now £3238.61 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results: Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 13 selections = 69.23% September strike-rate: 208 wins from 259 selections = 80.31% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 208 wins from 259 selections = 80.31% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£108) Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.23%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.95% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 7.95% Tomorrow's bank: £3238.61 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: (£148.04) Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.03%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (7.01%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: (7.01%) Tomorrow's bank: £2789.53 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18 "Better luck tomorrow", as they say ... :P

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The Twenty-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 28th September ... Northside Lodge 2.00 Salisbury ... Dancing Flame 2.10 Newcastle ... Marmooq 2.40 Newcastle ... Stonehaugh 3.10 Newcastle ... Villa Sonata 3.50 Lingfield ... Grantley Adams 4.00 Salisbury ... Beyonce 4.20 Lingfield ... Goodenough Mover 4.30 Salisbury ... Passion Fruit 4.40 Newcastle ... Winning Venture 4.50 Lingfield ... San Deng 5.20 Lingfield ...

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Results Update: Day 26 ... Northside Lodge 2.00 Salisbury ... 9/2, 5.6, £21.46 ;D Dancing Flame 2.10 Newcastle ... 10/1, 11.0, £14.30 ;D Marmooq 2.40 Newcastle ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D Stonehaugh 3.10 Newcastle ... 9/2, 5.9, £21.46 ;D Villa Sonata 3.50 Lingfield ... 11/4, 3.3, £35.77 ;D Grantley Adams 4.00 Salisbury ... 11/4, 3.4, £35.77 ;D Beyonce 4.20 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.2, £21.46 ;D Goodenough Mover 4.30 Salisbury ... 6/1, 7.0, £21.46 ;D Passion Fruit 4.40 Newcastle ... 4/1, 4.1, £21.46 ;D Winning Venture 4.50 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £14.30 ;D San Deng 5.20 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.8, £14.30 ;D Comments: My profits today came to £231.04 (that's £243.20 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses ... So the bank has crept back up as far as £3469.65 but not yet reached a new high, so tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30. Results: Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 11 selections = 100% ;D September strike-rate: 219 wins from 270 selections = 81.11% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 219 wins from 270 selections = 81.11% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £231.04 Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.13% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.65% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 15.65% Tomorrow's bank: £3469.65 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £212.86 Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.63% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.08% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 0.08% Tomorrow's bank: £3002.39 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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It looks like a very good day to me, Maria! Keep going!

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The Twenty-Seventh Day ... Thursday 29th September ... Not so many selections today, I'm afraid (for me, most of the "affordable stinkers" were at Hereford) ... which naturally increases the overall risk a bit ... :-\ Wake Up Maggie 2.10 Newmarket ... Charles Parnell 2.35 Ayr ... Pivotal's Princess 3.20 Newmarket ... Yomalo 4.30 Newmarket ... Quantica 4.55 Ayr ... Spring Pursuit 5.55 Ayr ...

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3.20pm ... I'm still unmatched at 11.0 on Quantica in the 4.55 at Ayr. The lowest price at which bets has been matched so far was 12.0. Can't be bothered to watch any more, so I'm going out now and leaving it unmatched. It looks as if this one might remain unmatched (the first since I started posting them!), in which case I'll just have to excude it from the results ...* : (You can lay it to 12.0 or even 13.0 without worrying if you want to, Janis! It has no real chance. But do you believe me?*

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Edited comment 6.05 pm: I was matched anyway ... and much to my surprise the SP came in to 9/1 ... __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 27 ... Wake Up Maggie 2.10 Newmarket ... 9/2, 5.6, £21.46 ;D Charles Parnell 2.35 Ayr ... 7/4, 3.0, £35.77 ;D Pivotal's Princess 3.20 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D Yomalo 4.30 Newmarket ... 7/1, 6.6, £21.46 ;D Quantica 4.55 Ayr ... 9/1, 11.0, £14.30 ;D Spring Pursuit 5.55 Ayr ... 11/2, 7.4, £21.46 ;D Comments: My profits today came to £129.11 (that's £135.91 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses ...*

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So the bank has finally reached a new high of £3598.76 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £35.98, £21.59 and £14.39. Results: Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%* ;D September strike-rate: 225 wins from 276 selections = 81.52% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 225 wins from 276 selections = 81.52% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £129.11 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.72% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.96% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 19.96% Tomorrow's bank: £3598.76 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £35.98, £21.59 and £14.39 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £118.95 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.96% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.04% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 4.04% Tomorrow's bank: £3121.34 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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Originally Posted by maria (You can lay it to 12.0 or even 13.0 without worrying if you want to, Janis! It has no real chance. But do you believe me?*

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Thank you, I am matched at 11.0 like you. I see this horse is second, you are a dangerous girl! ;D

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Tomorrow is the last day of your first month? I will put my results after you do, but so far I am a little ahead, thank you. :-*

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Originally Posted by Janis I see this horse is second, you are a dangerous girl!* ;D Damn, there is no smiley here for "flutters eyelashes innocently ..." ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis Tomorrow is the last day of your first month? Yes; I didn't start until the 3rd but I'll just make this one a short month (it's called "time off for good behaviour") and start all future months on the 1st. Paldeis ... __________________ maria santonix

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The Twenty-Eighth Day ... Friday 30th September ... Might be an interesting (read "dangerous") end to the month ... quite a bit today ...

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and a couple of the value shorties might even be odds on ... Muzdaher 1.05 Newmarket ... Pinpoint 1.05 Newmarket ... Catch The Perk 2.00 Hexham ... Queen's Night 2.15 Lingfield ... Free Will 2.30 Hexham ... Golden Alchemist 2.50 Lingfield ... Swallow Magic 3.05 Hexham ... Seabow 3.15 Newmarket ... Ostfanni 3.40 Hexham ... Moayed 3.50 Newmarket ... Discotheque 4.00 Lingfield ... Beaver 4.15 Hexham ... Bird Over 4.35 Lingfield ... Risky Way 4.50 Hexham ... Good luck ... 8) __________________ maria santonix 09-30-2005, 04:27 PM

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Results Update: Day 28 ... Muzdaher 1.05 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.59 ;D Pinpoint 1.05 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.59 ;D Catch The Perk 2.00 Hexham ... 6/5, 2.0, £35.98 :'( Queen's Night 2.15 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.2, £21.59 ;D Free Will 2.30 Hexham ... 9/1, 11.0, £14.39 ;D Golden Alchemist 2.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.59 ;D Swallow Magic 3.05 Hexham ... 9/2, 4.8, £21.59 ;D Seabow 3.15 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.8, £14.39 ;D Ostfanni 3.40 Hexham ... 4/6, 1.7, £25.19 :'( Moayed 3.50 Newmarket ... 11/2, 5.7, £21.59 ;D Discotheque 4.00 Lingfield ... 10/3, 4.4, £21.59 ;D Beaver 4.15 Hexham ... 9/1, 9.8, £14.39 ;D Bird Over 4.35 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0 £14.39 ;D Risky Way 4.50 Hexham ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.59 ;D Comments: I'll exclude the profit from Bird Over in the SP+10% results because its SP was 12/1 (my lay was matched at 11.0 with no problem, though). Two of the three value shorties let me down today, but obviously these are very cheap mistakes and they make the overall results in money terms actually better than the strike-rate would suggest, simply because the "accidents" are the cheapest ones in the system - one hopes!

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12 winning lays from 14 is OK if the two that fail are the cheapest (and one of them was odds on today). In case anyone's wondering how these get selected, it's not just because they're shorties! One example: Catch The Perk - it was 0/7 on today's ground, its sire's progeny are 5% on the ground and 5% at the distance and the trainer hadn't had a winner for 6 months. Given all that, would you rather be a backer or a layer at evens? (I know the SP was 6/4 but I was a layer at evens). Well, today the right answer was "a backer", but I hope you see what I mean? ... ??? Anyway, my profits today came to £218.77 (that's £230.28 minus 5% exchange commission), and the loss on the two value shorties was £61.17, leaving a net profit of £157.60 on the day. So the bank has ended the month on a new high of £3756.36 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £37.56, £22.53 and £15.02. Results: Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 14 selections = 85.7% September strike-rate: 237 wins from 290 selections = 81.72% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 237 wins from 290 selections = 81.72% Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £157.60 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.38% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 25.21% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 25.21% Tomorrow's bank: £3756.36 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £37.56, £22.53 and £15.02 SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Profit/(loss) today: £132.68 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.25% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.47% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 8.47% Tomorrow's bank: £3254.02 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

Back later with a quick "round-up of the month" ... :

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Thank you, Favs ...

Quick "round-up of the month" ... : A strike-rate of only 81.72% produced 25% profit, more than you'd expect, but this is largely explained by the fact that losers tend to be the cheapest ones (as we saw today), so the strike-rate doesn't need to be quite as high as people say it does for laying, because of the staking plan we use. Still, I hope to achieve a higher strikerate, overall, than this. The "SP+10" results have not proved interesting or even meaningful, because it's not easily possible to lay to such bad prices, overall, even if you wanted to; so I'm dropping them. They are artificial beyond credibility. All you have to do, really, as I hope I've shown during the last month, is use an easy, sensible, variable staking plan that doesn't depend simply on laying to fixed stakes and doesn't depend simply on laying to fixed liability either, and you can cover yourself against accidents as much as possible without making life difficult for yourself. This system's been designed to be as duplicable as possible by someone who might want to spend only 10 or 15 minutes per day doing the whole thing. You'll notice that I lay a lot of horses at 11.0, 7.4 and 3.4. That's because these prices are "just within my price-band cut-offs". When I first "go round" (which takes about 90 seconds), if anything's around 7.5 to 9-ish to lay, I'll just leave a lay unmatched at 7.4. It's surprising how many of these end up being taken. Which I hope I've shown, at least to some extent, during this first month. In other words, the practicality of getting the bets on is very much easier than it looks. Finally, to anyone following these ... my £3000 starting-bank (and more, actually) came out of the profits from the first year (a fraction less, actually) of following the system, having started off originally with £1000. This makes me feel hopeful that on 1st September 2006, when this thread has been running for a year (if I last that long!), we'll be in profit, but don't forget that there will definitely be losing months as well.

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Thank you very much for this thread, Maria. I have now 3840.50 pounds, but I don't have a pounds sign on my keyboard because you are more anglicised than me. I got a little bit ahead when I missed a winner (loser) and then twice since then I increased stakes so the effect compounded and it was lucky for me, anyway I certainly support your stakes and lays, I am also often matched at 7.4 etc. Again well done and thank you, mana jauka ;D Janis

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The Twenty-Ninth Day ... Saturday 1st October ... Sorry to be a bit late posting these today, but still plenty of time before the first one, anyway ... :-[ Cantabria 2.10 Newmarket ... Flipando 2.25 Redcar ... Looks Could Kill 3.00 Epsom ... Chic 3.15 Newmarket ... Suggestive 3.25 Redcar ...

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Jayanjay 3.30 Epsom ... Azygous 4.05 Epsom ... Silverhay 5.10 Redcar ... Pomfret Lad 5.15 Epsom ... Fisby 7.00 Wolverhampton ... Law Breaker 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Rivetting 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Thoughtsofstardom 8.30 Wolverhampton ... Spirit Of Coniston 8.30 Wolverhampton ... El Chaparral 9.00 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 29 ... Guess which silly girl didn't read this until after she'd posted the lay selections for today, and guess how much it cost her? ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Mabbs Jayanjay 3.30 Epsom - Won this race last year, three of his five victories have come at this track ... (The answer was about £90, which will teach me to post late and in a hurry). Cantabria 2.10 Newmarket ... 6/1, 7.4, £22.53* ;D Flipando 2.25 Redcar ... 15/2, 7.4, £22.53* ;D Looks Could Kill 3.00 Epsom ... 7/1, 7.0, £22.53* ;D Chic 3.15 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.4, £37.56* ;D Suggestive 3.25 Redcar ... 11/2, 7.0, £22.53* ;D Jayanjay 3.30 Epsom ... 9/2, 5.0, £22.53* :'( Azygous 4.05 Epsom ... 10/1, 10.0, £15.02* ;D Silverhay 5.10 Redcar ... 7/1, 7.2, £22.53* ;D Pomfret Lad 5.15 Epsom ... 8/1, 9.6, £15.02* ;D Fisby 7.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.2, £22.53* ;D Law Breaker 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 14/1!!, 10.0, £15.02* ;D

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Rivetting 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 10.0, £15.02* ;D Thoughtsofstardom 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.2, £22.53* :'( ugh! Spirit Of Coniston 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.2, £22.53* ;D El Chaparral 9.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 4.8, £22.53* ;D Comments: See comment above ...* :-[ Also: what a mess I made of the 8.30 Wolverhampton! Two lays in the race, and they finished 1st and 2nd - next Saturday I'll try reverse forecasts instead!* My profits today came to £263.99 (that's £277.88 minus 5% exchange commission), and the loss on the two miserable stinkers (I beg their pardon ... "the two splendid winners") came to £184.75, leaving a net profit of only £79.24 on the day. Still, the bank has reached a new high of £3835.60 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £38.35, £23.01 and £15.34. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £79.24 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.11% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.11% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 27.85% Tomorrow's bank: £3835.60 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £38.35, £23.01 and £15.34 Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 15 selections = 86.66% (should have been 13 wins from 14 selections, 92.86%!) October strike-rate: 13 wins from 15 selections = 86.66% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 250 wins from 305 selections = 81.97% Ok ... this is enough "statistical information", I think: no more of this "SP+10"* :-* __________________ maria santonix

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The Thirtieth Day ... Sunday 2nd October ...

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Eleven today ... :P Sound Skin 2.10 Market Rasen ... Lost In Normandy 2.30 Uttox ... Toni Alcala 2.40 Market Rasen ... Goodbadindiferent 2.50 Kelso ... Infini 3.15 Market Rasen ... Croc An Oir 3.25 Kelso ... Stan 3.40 Uttoxeter ... The Holy Bee 4.15 Uttoxeter ... Parisienne Gale 4.35 Kelso ... Meltonian 4.55 Market Rasen ... Barton Hill 5.15 Uttoxeter ...

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Results Update: Day 30 ... Sound Skin 2.10 Market Rasen ... 15/2, 7.4, £23.01 ;D Lost In Normandy 2.30 Uttox ... 7/1, 7.2, £23.01 ;D Toni Alcala 2.40 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 6.4, £23.01 ;D Goodbadindiferent 2.50 Kelso ... 8/1, 9.6, £15.34 ;D Infini 3.15 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 5.2, £23.01 ;D Croc An Oir 3.25 Kelso ... 3/1, 4.0, £23.01 :'( Stan 3.40 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 7.4, £23.01 ;D The Holy Bee 4.15 Uttoxeter ... 17/2, 8.6, £15.34 ;D Parisienne Gale 4.35 Kelso ... non-runner Meltonian 4.55 Market Rasen ... 14/1!!, 9.4, £15.34 ;D Barton Hill 5.15 Uttoxeter ... 9/2, 5.2, £23.01 ;D Comments: My profits today came to £174.87 (that's £184.08 minus 5% exchange commission), and the loss on Croc An Oir came to £69.03 (managed to lay it at a good price, at least ...), leaving a net profit of £105.84 on the day. The bank has now reached a new high of £3941.44 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £39.41, £23.64 and £15.76.

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £105.84 Tomorrow's bank: £3941.44 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £39.41, £23.64 and £15.76 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.76% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.93% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 31.38% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% October strike-rate: 22 wins from 25 selections = 88% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 259 wins from 315 selections = 82.22% ;D __________________ maria santonix

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Thank you Maria for this absolutely fascinating thread. It is like one of those novels that you can't put down. I read all your posts in one sitting as I had to find out what happened next. Incidentally congratulations on your command of our language, it puts most of us to shame.

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Thank you very much, Agog. I'm also interested to see what happens next ... Unfortunately, with horse racing, there isn't a "magic £32,000" as offered by Chris Tarrant, being the guaranteed minimum figure you'll take home once you've achieved it ... For 7.4 I stake at the middle figure, i.e. £23.64 for tomorrow (liability of £151.30 nervous gulp!), but 7.6 to 11.0 is at the smallest figure, currently £15.76 (liability between £104.02 and £157.60). I leave a lot of unmatched bets on the system at 7.4, but many of them become matched, so it's a common price for me. (As is 11.0). It's a little bit artificial, and there are some anomalies, but it seems to work. Ideally, I would prefer to use 5 "staking ranges" instead of 3 (they would be something like 0 - 3, 3 - 5.9, 6.0 - 8.8, 9.0 - 11.5 and 12.0 - 14.5). This would reduce some of the anomalies and enable more selections, which would make it more stable and secure. But it would also make it look more complicated, and although it's perfectly simple and straightforward in practice, I'm worried that it looks difficult, and this might put enough people off as it is! Thank you for your tactful and much appreciated compliment about my English. It's my third language really, so perhaps I have the foreigner's excess care and caution with it. I'm aware that what I write can sometimes seem a little stilted or oldfashioned. That's partly because I originally learnt English from old books before I could speak it at all. __________________ maria santonix

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Great stuff Maria ;D :-* __________________ King Of The Knavesmire
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Well, this goes extremely nice so far. Long may it continue, Maria!

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Thank you very much, gentlemen! :-*

The Thirty-First Day ... Monday 3rd October ... Bold Phoenix 2.10 Brighton ... Free To Air 2.20 Pontefract ... For Life 2.30 Windsor ... Gennie Bond 2.30 Windsor ... Chase The Ace 2.50 Pontefract ... Tumbleweed Glory 3.00 Windsor ... Lucefer 3.10 Brighton ... Best Prospect 3.20 Pontefract ... Our Monogram 3.50 Pontefract ... Fairmile 4.00 Windsor ... Silsong 4.30 Windsor ...

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Results Update: Day 31 ... Bold Phoenix 2.10 Brighton ... 9/4, 3.4, £39.41 ;D Free To Air 2.20 Pontefract ... 5/1, 6.6, £23.64 ;D For Life 2.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 7.4, £23.64 ;D Gennie Bond 2.30 Windsor ... 13/2, 7.4, £23.64 ;D Chase The Ace 2.50 Pontefract ... 5/1, 6.6, £23.64 ;D Tumbleweed Glory 3.00 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.0 £23.64 ;D Lucefer 3.10 Brighton ... 10/1, 9.6, £15.76 ;D Best Prospect 3.20 Pontefract ... 15/2, 7.4, £23.64 ;D Our Monogram 3.50 Pontefract ... 6/1, 7.2, £23.64 ;D Fairmile 4.00 Windsor ... 6/1, 8.0, £110.32 :'( Silsong 4.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.8, £15.76 ;D Comments: I feel more lucky than unlucky today. Unlucky that Fairmile won, but lucky not to be matched at 7.4 which would have cost me a multiple of £23.64 instead of £15.76. Maybe I caught up a few pounds on you today, mans Janis, vai ne? My profits today came to £224.58 (that's £236.41 minus 5% exchange commission), but the loss on Fairmile was £110.32, leaving a net profit of £114.26 on the day. The bank has now reached a new high of £4055.70 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £40.55, £24.33 and £16.22. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £114.26 Tomorrow's bank: £4055.70 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £40.55, £24.33 and £16.22 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.9% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.97% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 35.19% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.9% October strike-rate: 32 wins from 36 selections = 88.8% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 269 wins from 326 selections = 82.52%

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Originally Posted by maria Maybe I caught up a few pounds on you today, mans Janis, vai ne?* Mmjaaaaa, mana Maria! But not with Fairmile, I lay this at 7.8. But with For Life, you lay at 7.4 and I am matched also at 7.8, for less money, so you make about 7 pounds more here. I see that you tip Fairmile to win in your other thread at 6/1 anyway, so you may not complain. My parents warn me about girls like this! ;D Visu labu Janis

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Good Going Maria, Well Done

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Another Good day at the office

Well Done Maria

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Phew! I know a miss is as good as a mile but three 2nds - one by a short head!!! If you were a man I would be congratulating you for having big ones, which were also golden. Well done, Agog

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wild thread great read ;D

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Thank you, gentlemen (and Amy!!) ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Agog I know a miss is as good as a mile but three 2nds - one by a short head!!!

I know what you mean ... I was watching only the prices at the exchange, not the actual race, and I assumed it was a photo finish. Well, over the the year we win and lose our share of those and in the long run it makes no difference. Ok, if it had gone the other way today then I am -£50 instead of +£100 for the day, or whatever, but honestly over the course of the year it doesn't matter. I try to look at the long-term view like an "investor" and I know it will be ok in the long run like a "business investment" but it's much more fun, and if I put enough effort into finding the selections, I can pretend that I'm working for a living ... 8) __________________ maria santonix

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The Thirty-Second Day ... Tuesday 4th October ... Tuesdays seem to be taking over from Mondays as "bad racing day" ... ??? Not so easy today; no real shorties and a couple around 11.5/12 at the moment to leave unmatched at 11.0 ... Ten selections today, just the right number to get two winning at nasty big prices and come crashing back to earth (we are due a losing day, you know!) ... :-\ Sandwith 2.20 Catterick ... Bustisu 2.30 Huntingdon ... Avoca Dancer 2.50 Catterick ... Harris Bay 3.00 Huntingdon ... Mazeej 3.10 Leicester ... Tilly's Dream 3.20 Catterick ... Tanning 3.40 Leicester ... Indian Chase 3.50 Catterick ... Yorke's Folly 4.20 Catterick ... Formal Approval 4.50 Catterick ...

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Results Update: Day 32 ... Sandwith 2.20 Catterick ... 9/1, 9.2, £15.76 ;D Bustisu 2.30 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 7.4, £23.64 ;D Avoca Dancer 2.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 7.4, £23.64 ;D

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Harris Bay 3.00 Huntingdon ... non-runner Mazeej 3.10 Leicester ... 10/1, 11.0 £15.76 ;D Tilly's Dream 3.20 Catterick ... 14/1!!!, opened 12.0 (11/1) and drifted, not matched ;D ;D ;D (it won!) Tanning 3.40 Leicester ... 8/1, 10.0 £15.76 ;D Indian Chase 3.50 Catterick ... 6/1, 5.6, £23.64 ;D Yorke's Folly 4.20 Catterick ... 10/1, 11.0 £15.76 ;D Formal Approval 4.50 Catterick ... 10/3, 4.5, £23.64 ;D Comments: I can hardly believe how lucky I was today. The potential accident Tilly's Dream opened outside the cut-off and drifted, and we never came close to being matched: one to remember on a future day when something goes against us! Just a fluke today: these things normally go the other way. For once, I got a better result than I deserved ... :-X My profits today came to £149.72 (that's £157.60 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses! The bank has now reached a new high of £4205.42 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £42.05, £25.23 and £16.82. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £149.72 Tomorrow's bank: £4205.42 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £42.05, £25.23 and £16.82 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.69% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.95% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.18% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D October strike-rate: 40 wins from 44 selections = 90.9% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 277 wins from 334 selections = 82.93% 8) __________________ maria santonix

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Well done M __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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Another good day then, I see, Maria! Well done! Wolf

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Hmmm ... a lucky escape from a loss yesterday; let's see what damage we can do today ... 8)

The Thirty-Third Day ... Wednesday 5th October ... Gwilym 2.20 Nottingham ... Anticipating 2.30 Towcester ... Regulated 3.00 Towcester ... The Plainsman 3.20 Nottingham ... Cool Hunter 3.50 Nottingham ... Libre 4.00 Towcester ... Taksina 4.30 Towcester ... Outside Investor 4.40 Exeter ... Romany Dream 5.00 Towcester ...

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Results Update: Day 33 ... Gwilym 2.20 Nottingham ... 4/1, 5.1, £25.23 ;D Anticipating 2.30 Towcester ... 5/2, 3.4, £42.05 ;D Regulated 3.00 Towcester ... 11/2, 6.4, £25.23 ;D The Plainsman 3.20 Nottingham ... 7/1, 7.4, £25.23 ;D Cool Hunter 3.50 Nottingham ... 11/2, 6.8, £25.23 ;D Libre 4.00 Towcester ... 15/2, 9.0, £16.82 ;D

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Taksina 4.30 Towcester ... 9/1, 10.5, £16.82 ;D Outside Investor 4.40 Exeter ... 12/1, 11.0 £16.82 ;D Romany Dream 5.00 Towcester ... 5/1, £6.2, £25.23 ;D Comments: Another clear day: we're certainly having a lucky run at the moment. Remember that some time we'll definitely have its not-so-welcome counterpart, too ... My profits today came to £207.72 (that's £218.66 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses!* The bank has now reached a new high of £4413.14 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £44.13, £26.47 and £17.65. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £207.72 Tomorrow's bank: £4413.14 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £44.13, £26.47 and £17.65 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.94% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.48% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 47.1% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 9 selections = 100%* ;D October strike-rate: 49 wins from 53 selections = 92.45% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 286 wins from 343 selections = 83.38% 8) __________________ maria santonix

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10-05-2005, 06:09 PM Join Date: Nov 2004

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Dear Maria, How good is your cooking? Agog

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What do you mean? I'm not an invalid and I'm definitely not a stupid feminist, so I can cook like any woman from my country. I can cook pîrâgi, skâbâ putra, rasols, kringel and biezpien maizîtes for a start. (Actually not all for a start - some of them are for a main course or a pudding). But you have only my word for it, of course ... I might be exaggerating or even confabulating. Now you'll have to paste them into a search engine to find out if they really exist, won't you? __________________ maria santonix

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Originally Posted by maria What do you mean? I'm not an invalid and I'm definitely not a stupid feminist, so I can cook like any woman from my country. I can cook pîrâgi, skâbâ putra, rasols, kringel and biezpien maizîtes for a start. (Actually not all for a start - some of them are for a main course or a pudding). But you have only my word for it, of course ... I might be exaggerating or even confabulating. Now you'll have to paste them into a search engine to find out if they really exist, won't you?* ;D Good Day today Maria, Well Done Amy __________________ www.yewtreeracing.com

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Originally Posted by maria What do you mean? I'm not an invalid and I'm definitely not a stupid feminist, so I can cook like any woman from my country. I can cook pîrâgi, skâbâ putra, rasols, kringel and biezpien maizîtes for a start. (Actually not all for a start - some of them are for a main course or a pudding). But you have only my word for it, of course ...

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I might be exaggerating or even confabulating. Now you'll have to paste them into a search engine to find out if they really exist, won't you?* Piragi are the Latvian woman's secret weapon. None can withstand their delightful onslaught!

Do you have any more "delightful onslaughts"? Any way enough of this confabulating it might keep you away from your picks for tomorrow. Agog

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Originally Posted by Agog None can withstand their delightful onslaught! Even my English is less stilted than that! Sounds like you've been reading 19th Century Baltic culinary texts (I suppose someone has to) ... __________________ maria santonix

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A first-class thread, keep up the good work. .

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The Thirty-Fourth Day ... Thursday 6th October ... 12 selections today, but not quite guaranteed to get them all matched at 11.0, although none is far off at the moment ... :-\ Cark 2.10 Southwell Chisom 2.40 Southwell Audiostreetdotcom 2.50 Worcester ... Atacama Star 3.00 Wincanton ... Branston Penny 3.10 Southwell ... Breaking Breeze 3.30 Wincanton ... Brendan's Surprise 3.40 Southwell ... La Dolfina 4.00 Wincanton ... Obe Bold 4.10 Southwell ... Vlasta Weiner 4.10 Southwell ... Miss Skippy 4.20 Worcester ... Zeloso 4.40 Southwell ...

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Results Update: Day 343 ...

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Cark 2.10 Southwell 6/1, 7.0, £26.47 ;D Chisom 2.40 Southwell 8/1, 11.0 £17.65 ;D Audiostreetdotcom 2.50 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.2, £26.47 ;D Atacama Star 3.00 Wincanton ... 7/4, 3.0, £44.13 ;D Branston Penny 3.10 Southwell ... 20/1, 11.0, £17.65 ;D Breaking Breeze 3.30 Wincanton ... 10/3, 4.4, £26.47 :'( Brendan's Surprise 3.40 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.4, £26.47 ;D La Dolfina 4.00 Wincanton ... 11/4, 4.0, £26.47 ;D Obe Bold 4.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.2, £17.65 ;D Vlasta Weiner 4.10 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.8, £17.65 :'( Miss Skippy 4.20 Worcester ... 8/1, 10.5, £17.65 ;D Zeloso 4.40 Southwell ... 17/2, 10.0 £17.65 ;D Comments: Felt like a really bad day today: couldn't get matched at good prices on many (resulting in making a lot of £17.65's which would normally have been £26.47's); two nasty winners (can't complain too much about Breaking Breeze, I suppose, but Vlasta Weiner was extremely unpleasant and unexpected). However, when the smoke clears it seems I have actually made a profit rather than a loss on the day, which once again somehow feels a better result than I deserved ... :-\ One other horse worthy of comment: I don't remember seeing a drifter quite like Branston Penny in my laying system before. I was matched at 11.0 after posting the selections here, after which it drifted inexorably all the way to 20/1! I would suspect the results pages of making a mistake in the SP (by no means unknown) but I actually watched it drifting myself at the exchange, so I'm sure it's right. Anyway my profits today came to £226.34 (that's £238.26 minus 5% exchange commission), and my losses were exactly £90.00 on Breaking Breeze and £120.02 on Vlasta Weiner, totalling £210.02, so that still left me with a profit of £16.32, which feels like a pretty good result in the circumstances! This will sound strange, perhaps, but actually I like days like today when I look back at them, because if the system can survive a day like today, it makes me feel secure with it for the long run, which is what matters after all. The bank has now reached a new high of £4429.46 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £44.29, £26.57 and £17.71. It's probably the smallest stake increase on record here! Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £16.32 Tomorrow's bank: £4429.46 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £44.29, £26.57 and £17.71 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.37% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.92% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 47.65% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%* ;D October strike-rate: 59 wins from 65 selections = 90.77% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 296 wins from 355 selections = 83.38%

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Thank you and well done, you are catching up with me now. I was late online and I was not matched on Branston Penny today. I looked at the trading chart at Betfair and saw much money matched between 9.8 and 12.0 and I left my lay unmatched at 12.0 but it was not taken. Not a big problem, of course. Visu labu, Janis

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Maria, I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to lay? Virtually every price is less than the starting price (unless its drifted past your cut-off point) which I find quite amazing... have you some secret method?

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Maria, Would it perhaps be a good idea for you to teach us how to swear in Latvian? Regards, Agog

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Originally Posted by achilles I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to lay? That varies enormously, to be honest. I'm sorry to say that I'm not sure how helpful my answer will be, but I tend to "go round once" looking at the prices and deciding what to lay quickly and what to leave unmatched. Then I go back round and look around again (and usually some of the unmatched ones are already matched at this point). If I think something's more likely to lengthen than shorten, I'll "take what I can get". If I think it's more likely to shorten, I'll wait unless I want to go out. I have three very specific ways of deciding whether I think a price is going to lengthen or shorten. One is connected to weight of unmatched money on the "backing" and "laying" sides at the exchange (this is the equivalent of what a stock-trader would call "level-2" and is very fully discussed in an excellent paperback book called "Lay, Back and Think of Winning" by Nigel Paul). Another comes from looking at and interpreting the chart (which you can access only by clicking on the horses's name in the left-hand column of the Betfair screen) and deciding which way I think it's going to move. I could write 20,000 words on this, but it wouldn't help all that much - sorry!

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The third (rarer) factor comes from my knowledge of which trainers' horses are likely to drift or shorten in the market (for instance, one doesn't want to get caught up in a "late gamble" on a Barney Curley horse, of the kind about which I commented not so long ago). Of course, I've been doing this nearly every day for a long time, and it may be that I'm also relying on my experience and to some extent on "acquired skills" which I'm not really aware of using (the sort of thing that some people call "intuition" but I don't like that word, myself). Also, to be honest, I've actually found that maintaining the thread here rather than just on my computer has made me pay more attention, go out less and probably improved the figures at which my lays are matched. Of course, most of the time it doesn't make much difference anyway because they don't win the race (as you can see from the strike-rate) in which case "who cares?" (as someone put it recently). Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles Virtually every price is less than the starting price I haven't analysed that, sorry. I may well be completely mistaken, but I must say that that isn't my impression at all. (I see that today I laid only 4 out of 12 at better than SP.) What I know for sure (and this is also the experience of other people I know who actually put the bets on) is that it's usually easy, after only a little practical experience, to get lays on at better prices than is widely believed. Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles ... have you some secret method?

I don't think there's anything secret about it. Not now, anyway! I've made quite a lot of comments throughout the thread about it, and I think one or two others have commented, also. I leave a lot of bets unmatched just within cut-offs. So I certainly tend to get a much higher proportion matched at 3.4, 7.4 and 11.0 than you'd expect "by chance alone". Sorry for a rambling answer which might not be all that helpful ... :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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Originally Posted by achilles Maria, I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to lay? Virtually every price is less than the starting price (unless its drifted past your cutoff point) which I find quite amazing... have you some secret method? Branston Penny at 11.0, genius, pure genius.

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Originally Posted by MayoMan Branston Penny at 11.0, genius, pure genius. Most flattering but not so at all, MayoMan. It was at 11.0 simply because my cut-off's at 11.0, so by definition I don't and can't ever lay anything longer than 11.0! After I'd posted the selections here, it was at 11.5 so I left it unmatched at 11.0, as I always do with every single selection that's over 11.0. Nothing more to it than that, honestly! On the chart and table you can open up on the exchange, I saw plenty of volume traded between less than 10 and about 12, and then (as I commented above) I happened to be around today to see it drift all the way to about 20, which is how I know that that starting-price was real and not a misprint as one would otherwise normally suspect. __________________ maria santonix

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Branston Penny was 24.0 when the first show came through, went out to 38.0 two minutes before the off and back to 24 as the last one went in the stalls. Well done on getting 11.0, the early bird etc. etc.

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Thank you, but again I can't take any credit for that. I do much of my "unmatched laying" at about the same time each day simply for reasons of convenience. I see that I posted the selections today at about 1.20 (hmmm ... a bit late!) and so it must have been 11.0 at about 1.25, I suppose. I don't know what time Janis had evidently just missed out on it at 12.0, but presumably not long after that(?) Certainly when I first looked, before posting here, it was about 11.0, and not much more, otherwise I wouldn't have included it with the selections. I drew attention to it in my comments simply because I don't remember another horse in this system ever having drifted so much. Every day there are about 4 or 5 or 6 selections which I exclude because they're already so high that I don't think people will manage to lay them within the cut-off. Branston Penny wasn't one of those, of course, because I had no idea it would drift like that! I don't know how much it will help anyone, but my experience is certainly that the ones that are around 10+ at lunchtime are more likely, overall, to drift than they are to shorten. The ones that tend to shorten are often the "value shorties" (not that we have had so many of those over the last 3 or 4 days, I think, which is always a shame) ...* :

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The Thirty-Fifth Day ... Friday 7th October ... Ten selections today ... of these, no fewer than five of them are currently (1.00pm) 11.0 to back and 11.5 to lay at Betfair - a common spread and not a "difficult" one. My own guess is that all 5 of them will turn out to be layable within our cut-off (but I've been wrong before!) ... Dubonai 2.10 Carlisle ... Pagan Sky 2.20 Yor ... (currently 11.5, plenty of volume traded between 8 and 10) Combat Drinker 2.40 Carlisle ... Flash And Dazzle 3.05 Newbury (moving up and down between 10.0 and 12.0, one to watch) Top Pack 3.15 Carlisle ... (I'm leaving 11.0 unmatched, confidently) Rathor 3.25 York ... (I am matched already at 10.0. Currently 11.5 but 11.0 will easily get matched at some point) World Vision 3.45 Carlisle ... He's Hot Right Now 4.20 Carlisle ... Red Romeo 4.40 Newbury ... (fluctuating, but actually 11.0 to lay this very minute!) Intersky Emerald 5.20 Carlisle ...

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Update ... 2.10pm ... since I posted the selections just over an hour ago, all 5 of the "longer" ones have had volume transacted at 11.0 or less, so clearly nothing unmatched today ... __________________ maria santonix

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Thanks, Favs ... v lucky today ...

Results Update: Day 35 ... Dubonai 2.10 Carlisle ... 13/8, 2.90, £44.29* ;D Pagan Sky 2.20 Yor ... 8/1, 10.0, £17.71* ;D Combat Drinker 2.40 Carlisle ... 6/1, 6.0, £26.57* ;D Flash And Dazzle 3.05 Newbury ... 7/1, 9.0, £17.71* ;D* [oops: should've been 7.4, £26.57, I think* :-\ ]

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Top Pack 3.15 Carlisle ... 8/1, 11.0, £17.71* ;D Rathor 3.25 York ... 10/1, 10.0, £17.71* ;D World Vision 3.45 Carlisle ... 6/1, 5.8, £26.57* ;D He's Hot Right Now 4.20 Carlisle ... 11/2, 7.4, £26.57* ;D Red Romeo 4.40 Newbury ... 8/1, 11.0, £17.71* ;D Intersky Emerald 5.20 Carlisle ... 9/1, 8.8, £17.71* ;D Comments: I know I was matched at some revolting prices today: this was partly because I had to go out for 2 hours for Full English Tea - to be honest, and without criticising it in any way, it's more suitable for me than Full English Breakfast because much easier to leave it all except the cup of tea without anyone really noticing ... Anyway, my profits today came to £218.75 (that's £230.26 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses! The bank has now reached a new high of £4648.21 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £46.48, £27.88 and £18.59. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £218.75 Tomorrow's bank: £4648.21 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £46.48, £27.88 and £18.59 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.94% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 23.74% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 54.94% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 10 selections = 100%* ;D October strike-rate: 69 wins from 75 selections = 92% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 306 wins from 365 selections = 83.84% ;D __________________ maria santonix

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I've been reluctant to start off this thread, because I'm frightened of its turning out to be the kiss of death ... you have what you imagine to be a good system and start to explain it in public, and suddenly a wheel comes off ...* ??? I've come up with a laying system ...* ;D I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway ...* :-[ I'll try to post each day's selections by 1.00pm at the very latest, but I don't think I'll often manage to post them the night before. Comments, general heckling and questions (but not about the details of my selectionprocess, please) are very welcome as we go along, but I'd better start off with something like an "FAQ" ...* 8) STAKING: I want to minimise risks and maximise returns, of course (who doesn't?), which are always pretty difficult, not to say conflicting, objectives to combine. Like all forms of betting, the selections are only a part of the story. Betting on horses is notorious for people being able to have good selections and still lose money through poor money management. With laying in particular, IMHO the commonest reasons for failure are under-funding (not having a bank big enough for what you're trying to do) and disillusionment (getting too easily fed up with an inevitable losing run). This isn't the time or place to get involved in a big discussion about whether the selections or the money management are more important - it suffices to say that without both aspects being good, sensible, reliable and proven, it's not possible to make steady profits ...* The two common staking methods for laying are:(i) Laying to a fixed stake: I don't use this for two main reasons: first, the "accidents" are proportionally too expensive; secondly, it seems to me that it fails adequately to make the profits "deserved" after successfully identifying and laying shorter-priced losers. (ii) Laying to a fixed liability: I don't use this either, because it's inherently mathematically unsound - it ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to happen at the lower end of the scale: if I lay a 2/1 favourite (i.e. I lay it at an exchange price of 3.0), the overall risk of that bet losing (the horse winning) is of course higher than one which was a lay at 8.0 (7/1). Instead I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a complicated mixture of the two systems mentioned above, but it's actually perfectly straightforward ...* My staking system: I lay in three distinct exchange-price-bands of fixed backer's stakes. At one end of the scale, if the exchange price available about the horse is less than 3.5 (less than 5/2), I lay to a stake of 1% of my current laying system bank. At the other end, if the price is between 7.5 and 11 (the latter figure being my cut-off: I don't lay anything higher than 10/1), I lay to a stake of 0.4% of my current bank. If the price is in-between these two bands (i.e. prices of 3.6 to 7.4), then I lay to a

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stake of 0.6% of my bank. As they say in those TV infommercials, "But wait - there's more!": I also combine this staking plan with a ratchet system (see below). The are two other advantages with this staking system: first, the practicality of the situation when using the exchanges is that the backer's stake (rather than one's own liability) is the value which has to be typed into the little box on the screen, and this makes it quick and simple to do; secondly, nearly a year's figures have proven to me that this method minimises the variability of the results, and that's very, very important ...* To summarise, with examples based on a starting bank of £3,000 (if you're reckless enough to try them, you can scale up or down proportionally to your own bank) ... Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75) Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80 - £115.20) Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 £132)

Ratchet System If making profits, I increase all stakes in proportion to the bank on a daily basis. (I'd love to do it on a bet-by-bet basis, but that would assume that anyone following the system can be glued to their screen all afternoon, which isn't realistic. If you're working for a living - shock horror: please excuse my language! - you need to be able to put the bets on your lunch-hour.) This means that at the end of each day, the next day's "current bank" figure is known. For example, if there's a good start and the £3,000 bank grows, then the stakes are worked out as proportion of the new higher figure, and increase slightly the next day. This may sound insignificant but it makes a huge difference to the results ...* In contrast, after a losing day, I don't reduce stakes unless and until 35% of the highest level of the bank is lost, when I essentially re-start using the same percentages, but now of the new "65%-sized bank" ...* :-\ Example: from a £3,000 start, if there's a net loss on the first day, the next day I still stake as if from a bank of £3,000 (i.e. to backer's stakes of £30, £18 and £12 depending on the price about each selection) until reaching £1,950 when those backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up to £3,000 again (or - dare I mention it? - down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss). The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank. If it happens (and so far it hasn't - famous last words?!) I'll explain it again. It may sound a bit complicated but it's actually very simple. Not easy, but very simple ...* : Please don't imagine that I'm claiming this to be a perfect laying system. There are

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one or two anomalies in it, but after lots of analysis and calculation in the early days, over the last year I've found this system practicable, straightforward and robust. And that's what matters. In the next post, I'll complete the "FAQ" and hope to cover the practicalities ...* :-* __________________ maria santonix

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Good Day Maria, Well Done Amy __________________ www.yewtreeracing.com

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Originally Posted by maria

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Originally Posted by achilles Keep the good form going especially for next weekend!* Ah, you will become a weekend layer? My mother told me about men like you ...* Shucks, just when I thought I had got away with it, (very wise lady, your mother)!

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My darling Maria, What can I say after today's reults. So it is settled then.You will do the laying and the cooking and I will do the sewing and the real ale drinking. Just one more question - do you get seasick? On the assumption that you don't I will start to prepare my guest list. Just one bit of bad news - I have to leave you for two weeks whilst I go and suffer the rain in Corfu. Please stay lucky in my absence and do not pine. Yours forever, Agog

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Back with a bang, excellent stuff Maria. ;D __________________ You want redemption, ever-lasting peace. Everything must cease.

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The Thirty-Eighth Day ... Monday 10th October ... Bold Cross 1.50 Windsor ... Sotik Star 2.20 Windsor ... Habitual Dancer 2.30 Ayr ... Kitchen Sink 2.40 Wolverhampton ... Hi Katriona 3.10 Wolverhampton ... Flylowflylong (place lay) 3.30 Ayr ... Flushing Meadows 3.40 Wolverhampton ... Kingdom Of Dreams 3.50 Windsor ... Ionian Spring 4.00 Ayr ... Rapid River 4.30 Ayr ... Mystical Ayr 5.00 Ayr ...

Good luck! __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 38 ... Bold Cross 1.50 Windsor ... 5/1, 6.8, £27.94* ;D Sotik Star 2.20 Windsor ... 9/2, 6.0, £27.94* ;D Habitual Dancer 2.30 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.0, £27.94* ;D Kitchen Sink 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0 £18.63* ;D Hi Katriona 3.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/2, 3.4, £46.57* ;D Flylowflylong (place lay) 3.30 Ayr ... n/a, 2.66 £46.57* :'( Flushing Meadows 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.6, £18.63* ;D Kingdom Of Dreams 3.50 Windsor ... 4/1, 5.0, £27.94* ;D

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Ionian Spring 4.00 Ayr ... 5/1, 5.5, £27.94* ;D Rapid River 4.30 Ayr ... 5/1, 5.7, £27.94* ;D Mystical Ayr 5.00 Ayr ... 7/2, 4.8, £27.94* :'( Comments: It was all going quite nicely until the last one ...* > Sorry about the place lay of Flylowflylong. For anyone who was wondering, the favourite was withdrawn a few minutes before the off. Anyone matched before that (I was matched after it, myself) gets an adjustment in their favour, obviously, to reflect the altered probabilities, so their liability is less than expected, anyway. These things happen ...* :P I recognise that I got matched at a couple of good prices today and may have done a few pounds better than some (although I missed £27.94 at 7.4 - where some volume did trade - on Flushing Meadows and dropped a few pounds there as well). Anyway I still have most of my unfortunate £185 from the other day to try to claw back with good prices ...* Anyway, a very small profit on the day ... my profits today came to £238.89 (that's £251.47 minus 5% exchange commission), and I lost £77.31 on Flylowflylong and £106.18 on Mystical Ayr, totalling £183.49, for a net profit of £55.40 on the day. The bank has now reached a new high of £4712.86, and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £47.12, £28.27 and £18.85. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £55.40 Tomorrow's bank: £4712.86 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £47.12, £28.27 and £18.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.19% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 25.46% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 57.1% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82% October strike-rate: 103 wins from 117 selections = 88.03% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 342 wins from 407 selections = 84.03% 8) __________________ maria santonix

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WELL DONE Maria Amy __________________ www.yewtreeracing.com

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Well done on getting a small profit Maria ! I managed a very small loss unfortunately, as I was matched at higher odds for Flylowflylong (3.2 avg) and also Mystical Ayr (5.71 avg.!!) resulting in higher liabilities :-[ oh well, it shows the importance of being patient and waiting for a match at lower odds ;D Keep up the good work Jonny

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Originally Posted by Jonny_Boy I managed a very small loss unfortunately

Yes, I'm sorry ... I thought this was quite possible today ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny_Boy oh well, it shows the importance of being patient and waiting for a match at lower odds* ;D

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It's true, I'm afraid ... it really matters when they're favourite, because (annoyingly) a better price will almost always be available ... if someone has backed it at SP, then someone has laid it at SP! : __________________ maria santonix

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Well Done Maria

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Results Update: Day 40 ... Red Diadem 2.20 Lingfield ... 13/2, 10.5, £19.42 ;D Indebted 2.55 Lingfield ... 13/2, 6.2, £29.13 ;D Town Crier 3.40 Wetherby ... 10/3, 4.6, £29.13 ;D Valerun 4.25 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.4, £29.13 ;D Common Girl 4.50 Wetherby ... 8/1, 9.6, £19.42 ;D Linden Lime 5.15 Lingfield ... 13/2, 8.4, £19.42 ;D Don't Ask Me 5.35 Uttoxeter ... 9/2, 6.2, £29.13 ;D Comments:

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I know that I could have got better (lower) prices on Red Diadem, Common Girl, Linden Lime and maybe Don't Ask Me today, but I had friends from school round and was inattentive ... anyway, fortunately, it didn't matter ... my profits today came to £166.04 (that's £174.78 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses ... ;D The bank has now reached a new high of £5022.14, and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £166.04 Tomorrow's bank: £5022.14 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.42% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.7% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 67.4% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% ;D October strike-rate: 116 wins from 130 selections = 89.23 Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 355 wins from 420 selections = 84.52% __________________ maria santonix

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Well done again Maria...

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Another clean sweep today Maria. It's getting to be a habit, not a bad habit to have. Well done.

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WELL DONE another great day

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Thank you ... So ... The Forty-First Day ... Thursday 13th October ...

Plenty today, include some nice value shorties ... Just a shame we're so overdue now for a real losing day ... :-\ You Call That Art 1.55 Newmarket ... Mystery Pips 2.20 Southwell ... East Cape 2.55 Southwell ... Royal Alchemist 3.05 Newmarket ... Saucepot 3.30 Southwell ... Baskerville 3.40 Newmarket ...

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Good Man Again 3.55 Ludlow ... Impeccable Guest 4.05 Southwell ... Ruby Rocket 4.15 Newmarket ... Bold Phoenix 4.40 Southwell ... Gramm 4.50 Newmarket ... Kristinor 5.05 Ludlow ... (currently 11.5) Sonderborg 5.15 Southwell ... Orientor 5.25 Newmarket ...

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Price update: as you can see from my mention of it in the post above, I thought the price problem today might be Kristinor. Well, that was wrong, because it's available to lay for 11.0 now and has been for some time. I was matched at 10.0 with no problem, after posting the selections, on both Saucepot and Good Man Again, thought I see they've both drifted a little bit since. __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 41 ... You Call That Art 1.55 Newmarket ... 5/1, 6.6, £30.13 ;D Mystery Pips 2.20 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.0 £30.13 ;D East Cape 2.55 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.6, £20.08 ;D Royal Alchemist 3.05 Newmarket ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Saucepot 3.30 Southwell ... 9/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Baskerville 3.40 Newmarket ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Good Man Again 3.55 Ludlow ... 12/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Impeccable Guest 4.05 Southwell ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.13 ;D Ruby Rocket 4.15 Newmarket ... 4/1, 5.5, £30.13 ;D Bold Phoenix 4.40 Southwell ... 5/2, 2.9, £50.22 :'( Gramm 4.50 Newmarket ... 11/2, 6.8, £30.13 :'( Kristinor 5.05 Ludlow ... 11/1, 11.0, £20.08 :'( Sonderborg 5.15 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.6, £20.08 ;D Orientor 5.25 Newmarket ... 5/2, 3.4, £50.22 ;D Comments: Absolutely everything went wrong for me, today. I don't mean just three nasty winners in a row - that can happen on any day. But with the prices: I missed a better price on East Cape (which cost me); and on Sonderborg (which cost me); but I managed to lay the winner Bold Phoenix under the cut-off (well, that wasn't difficult) which cost me more of course; and I also managed to lay Gramm at 6.8 to £30 instead of slightly higher to £20, which also cost quite a bit. Let's just hope nobody managed to do worse than me today!! ... ??? My profits came to £286.20 (that's £301.27 less exchange commission of 5%) and the nasty losses added up to a horrendous £470.97 (though obviously they shouldn't have done, really), leaving me staring a £184.77 loss in the face ... so I lost more today than I made yesterday ... > So the bank has now slipped back £184.77, to £4837.37, and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: (£184.77) Tomorrow's bank: £4837.37 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.68%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 28.78% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 61.24%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.5% > October strike-rate: 127 wins from 144 selections = 88.19 Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 366 wins from 434 selections = 84.33% :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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I lost £152.50... so not quite as much as you Maria !! I left Gramm unmatched at 7.4 for ages, then gave up and reduced the stake to £20 for a match at 7.6 ...so a bit luckier than you there! I got Bold Phoenix matched at 3.0 and Kristinor at 11.0, so lost about the same as you on those two.

Only managed 7.8 on Baskerville Still doing great guns overall ;D Better Luck tomorrow

10-13-2005, 05:16 PM Join Date: Sep 2005

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Sveika! Quote:

Originally Posted by maria Let's just hope nobody managed to do worse than me today!! ... ??? You learn this 'Englush understatement' now, mana jauke meitene? I think that nobody managed to do worse than you.

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I am a little ahead of you and so using bigger stakes and still I lose less on Phoenix and Gramm, and I lay for a lower price and higher stake on East Cape just by leaving unmatched as you teach! I think you lose nothing on Sonderberg though, 7.4 is not matched anyway, just my opinion. Thank you again, you will soon win back the loss again. Visu labu! Janis

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Originally Posted by Jonny_Boy I lost £152.50... so not quite as much as you Maria !! Ouch, sorry anyway, Jonny - it was a rotten day ... :-[ Bold Phoenix was, of course, a value shortie, really bad history on this surface and a clear lay at that sort of price: just unlucky. Gramm was a real mistake, and Kristinor just a huge surprise. A pretty bad day for the system - apologies, but we all know there will be more, and only the long run counts ... Thank you for your posts, guys. We will try to win it back soon and surge ahead again ... 8) __________________ maria santonix

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Hi Maria Been following your lay tips for a few days now (and looking back at your previous results) and I have to say WOW.* ;D ;D You achieve what so many other only claim to achieve.* For the moment I'm only 'paper trading' as im saving up to get a betting bank. My question is that as it may take a couple of months for me to get my betting bank up and running,* how long will you be offering your tips on this site for? I really wish I had found this site and your tips earlier before I had sunk and lost money in to other 'tipster' who were just fradusters. If I has I would be sharing in similar success to you.* Ahh I can still hope for the future* Long may you keep up the good work* ;D

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Hi Aragorn, Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn I have to say WOW. I'll take "wow" as a compliment; thank you ... :-[ But seriously, you need to bear in mind also my three other threads at this fine site. There's a handicap selections thread of one-point bets, and that's currently running at about 30 points down at SP; there's a reverse forecasts thread of four-point and sixpoint bets and that's currently running at about 20 points down; and there's my "silly system" thread, which is pretty experimental and not too serious but is still running with the bank nearly 20% down and currently on a losing run of 8 selections (no

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surprise there!). So you might ask yourself in whom you should be putting any trust and confidence, and I would be asking that, if I were you ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn You achieve what so many other only claim to achieve. Regarding laying, that's because I got lucky and started posting at the beginning of September, and September was quite a good month for me and October (so far, half way through it) has been an even better one. They could have turned out to be a bad month and an even worse month for me, and other, future months will ... This system's been tested live for just over a year and it quadrupled its bank in that time, but that's no guarantee at all that it will do the same over the next year; and there might be many reasons why it might not! My feeling is that, as "systems" go, it's pretty safe, but I might be wrong about that. My feeling is that I'm unlikely to lose all the money, but I might be wrong about that, too ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn * For the moment I'm only 'paper trading' as im saving up to get a betting bank. Well, I think you can start this off with £500, because the smallest backer's stake to which you'd lay would be 0.4% of your bank, and £2 is the Betfair lower limit for backing stakes ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn My question is that as it may take a couple of months for me to get my betting bank up and running, how long will you be offering your tips on this site for? I'm not going anywhere unless and until I get jeered off or anyone's rude ... but so far everyone's been really polite and friendly to me and I like the site very much. I even get nice comments about my shoes being sexy ... 8) Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn I really wish I had found this site and your tips earlier before I had sunk and lost money in to other 'tipster' who were just fradusters. I must say I think this site is miles better than paying a tipster for tips. (And my strong suspicion is that about 99% of commercial tipping services are either dishonest or unreliable or both.) There are some great tips here. All of it needs sensible staking, of course, but you won't easily find better tips ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

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Ahh I can still hope for the future*

There's always the future! Seriously, don't put too much faith in me, flattering though it would be. I will have bad runs and losing runs, even with the laying system. I think it will be ok in the long run, but not all the months will be like the bits you've seen, and that's putting it mildly ... :-\ Although I don't deny that I know plenty about statistics and probabilities and betting and money-management, my appreciation and understanding of horse-racing is very limited indeed. Although my family background is money-management, trading, investing, speculating and whatever you want to call it, I'm young and inexperienced. It should surprise nobody if I manage to screw up big time - just so you know!

Anyway, welcome and good luck ... __________________ maria santonix

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Originally Posted by maria Let's just hope nobody managed to do worse than me today!! ...* ??? Hi Maria, For anyone who did, it was entirely at their own discretion. No need for you to be concerned. Good luck today.

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Good Luck for today Maria

And dont invite any winners __________________ "Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic." AC Clarke

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The Forty-Second Day ... Friday 14th October ... Semi Detached 1.30 Newmarket ... Croft 2.15 Redcar ... On The Bright Side 3.00 Brighton ... Marshman 3.45 Newmarket ... Bayard 4.10 Brighton ... Severely 4.35 Redcar ... Easy Laughter 4.45 Brighton ... Unshakable 4.55 Newmarket ...

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Originally Posted by MayoMan Good luck today. thank you, Mr. MM ... :-* Quote:

Originally Posted by favs And dont invite any winners

I don't, but they can gatecrash!! __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 421 ... Semi Detached 1.30 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D Croft 2.15 Redcar ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D On The Bright Side 3.00 Brighton ... 10/1, 6.6, £30.13 ;D Marshman 3.45 Newmarket ... 15/2, 8.8, £20.08 ;D Bayard 4.10 Brighton ... 10/1, 9.2 (ugh), £20.08 ;D Severely 4.35 Redcar ... 12/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Easy Laughter 4.45 Brighton ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Unshakable 4.55 Newmarket ... 7/1, 6.8 £30.13 ;D Comments: I really wanted to win back all yesterday's loss, but I couldn't quite do it ... :-\ Bayard was one of the biggest movers I've seen: early this morning it was 7.2 (where, stupidly, I didn't put my lay on, imagining that it could come in from that price!). Then it turned against me and moved out. I was matched on Bayard at 9.2 (and on 5

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others at various prices) a few minutes after posting the selections, after which it drifted to 28(!!!) (where a total of £43 was matched, if anyone's remotely interested) and then came all the way back in to the eventual SP of 10.0 (so 11.0 left unmatched would presumably have been matched anyway before the off.) An annoying one for me, because if I'd taken the 7.2 or 7.4 early on, I'd have covered yesterday's loss of £185, and now I haven't ... > Mind you, even catching Marshman at 7.4 for £30 instead of at 8.8 for £20 (which was obviously possible if I hadn't already wrongly settled for the higher figure) would have done that ... :P People who lost less than me yesterday (i.e. everyone!) might possibly have reached a new high today (although not definitely, I realise). If that's so, don't forget to increase your stakes again pro rata tomorrow, and I will catch you up at some point (Janis!) ... Anyway, complaining over now - it was a good day, after all. No nasty accidents ... My profits came to £181.25 (that's £190.79 less exchange commission of 5%), and no losses! ;D So the bank is now £5018.62, not quite a new high, so tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £181.25 Tomorrow's bank: £5018.62 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.75% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.6% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 67.29% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D October strike-rate: 135 wins from 152 selections = 88.82 Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 374 wins from 442 selections = 84.62% ;D __________________ maria santonix

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Another Excelent day well done

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stick to short priced lays, they don't hurt as much you will find out over a period of time I'm right big price lays lull you in to thinking you have an edge, it's easy to go 30 or so lays without losing, then you just get one bad day..wipes out a fortnights profit in one go. if your methods are sound then you should be able to use them to lay horses at less than 3/1, lot less pain when one of them wins compared to a 10/1 shot :-*

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Originally Posted by EC stick to short priced lays, they don't hurt as much My last 14 months experience of laying a total of about 3,500 horses has so far been leading me in the other direction, to be honest. I find that they win far more often than the longer ones, you see, and to me that makes them hurt more ... Quote:

Originally Posted by EC you will find out over a period of time I'm right You seem so certain about it that I'm sure I must be mistaken, EC. Fortunately, however, I have no problem with being wrong about things myself, and it certainly happens often enough! Quote:

Originally Posted by EC big price lays lull you in to thinking you have an edge Hmmm ... my father thinks he has an edge too, and for that very reason. He actually makes his living laying on Betfair. He finally retired from his career as a forex and options trader over 2 years ago to do this for himself rather than working for the bank

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for ever (I don't mean to make him sound ancient when he's only in his mid-40's!). But like most of the small number of very successful pro-layers on the exchanges, he only normally lays the longer ones and most of his are actually 11.0+ (though he usually lays three or four in a race, which I don't often do). So I do hope he's not mistaken as well ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by EC it's easy to go 30 or so lays without losing, then you just get one bad day..wipes out a fortnights profit in one go. I've certainly never found that. But there have only been 2 days like today in nearly 14 months, so I have almost nothing to base it on, you see. But those two days have each only cost a few days' profits, not a fortnight's as you suggest. And as you're so certain of being right, that confuses me a little; but never mind, I'm sure we can all agree that I have so much still to learn, which is why I value people's input here ... Quote:

Originally Posted by EC if your methods are sound then you should be able to use them to lay horses at less than 3/1 I do that when I can, but unfortunately not so many of the shorties come up in my system. And unlike you, EC, I don't know nearly enough about racing to try to do it other than with my non-discretionary, rule-driven, statistically-proven system. I'm only a complete beginner really, you see. Quote:

Originally Posted by EC a lot less pain when one of them wins compared to a 10/1 shot One of them - yes; for sure. The problem I've noticed with them is that three or four of them tend to win for every 10/1 shot that surprises me. A girl can only take so much disappointment, you know ... __________________ maria santonix

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The forty-Fifth Day ... Monday 17th October ... Danawi 2.00 Windsor ... Dusky Lord 2.10 Plumpton ... Formal Decree 2.20 Pontefract ... Sunrise Safari 2.30 Windsor ... Touch Of Fate 2.40 Plumpton ... Fairlie 2.50 Pontefract ... Not Allowed 3.00 Windsor ... Johnny Parks 3.20 Pontefract ... Parnassian 3.30 Windsor ... Anticipating 3.40 Plumpton ... Villago 4.20 Pontefract ... Geordie Peacock 4.40 Plumpton ...

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If it works for you then good luck to you Maria. Just speaking from my perspective on the laying game.

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Results Update: Day 45 ... Danawi 2.00 Windsor ... 5/2, 3.4, £50.22 ;D Dusky Lord 2.10 Plumpton ... 7/2, 4.6, £30.13 :'( Formal Decree 2.20 Pontefract ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Sunrise Safari 2.30 Windsor ... 4/1, 3.35, £50.22 ;D Touch Of Fate 2.40 Plumpton ... 11/1, 10.2, £20.08 :'( Fairlie 2.50 Pontefract ... 8/1, 9.2, £20.08 ;D Not Allowed 3.00 Windsor ... 9/1, 9.4, £20.08 ;D Johnny Parks 3.20 Pontefract ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Parnassian 3.30 Windsor ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Anticipating 3.40 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.2, £30.13 ;D Villago 4.20 Pontefract ... 8/1, 9.2, £20.08 ;D Geordie Peacock 4.40 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Just what we needed - another losing day ... :-\

Still a pleasure, compared with yesterday, though ... My congratulations to anyone who made a profit on the day (which I very much doubt, because my feeling is that I did really well with prices today!). Two winners was again one too many, but I'm not complaining too much about the result ... :-X My profits came to £286.21 (that's £301.28 less exchange commission of 5%), and my losses were £293.21, leaving a deficit on the day of exactly £7. So the bank is now £4477.88, and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: (£7) Tomorrow's bank: £4477.88 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.01%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.21% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 49.26% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%* October strike-rate: 163 wins from 189 selections = 86.24 Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 402 wins from 479 selections = 83.92% :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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How do you work your figures out maria? The first one for example, Danawi, is £50.22 the liability?, making the profit on the lay £50.22 divided by 2.4.

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Originally Posted by EC How do you work your figures out maria? The first one for example, Danawi, is £50.22 the liability?, making the profit on the lay £50.22 divided by 2.4. For God's sake, EC!!! This is very clearly explained on page 1!!! Your "perspective on the laying game", as you put it, maybe does not involve being able to read! > I suggest to you that there are many other threads here for you to read if you don't like this one and it seems that you don't!

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Don't be so disrespectful, please, Janis ... :P EC has his own perspective on laying and I am sure he has much more experience than I do and I am sure that his reason for posting here is that he's trying to be helpful, and you should remember this, really ... 8) Quote:

Originally Posted by EC How do you work your figures out maria? The first one for example, Danawi, is £50.22 the liability?, making the profit on the lay £50.22 divided by 2.4. No, that's not my system, EC. The figure given after the odds, for each horse (£50.22 in the case of Danawi) is the backer's stake to which I have laid it. So if the horse doesn't win the race, that figure is my profit on that race (less my exchange commission, of course). If it wins the race, then I must pay the backer that figure multiplied by the price at which I've laid it. So if Danawi had won, I would have paid out £50.22 x 2.4 = £120.53. It's £50.22 because the high point of my £3000 bank was £5022 and it's 1% of that because with horses up to 5/2 (up to 3.5 on the exchange) I lay to a backer's stake equivalent in size to 1% of my bank, and I use a ratchet method, so for purposes of staking at the moment I am pretending that my bank is still £5022 although it isn't really! For horses at higher prices, of course I lay to a smaller backer's stake so as not to live too dangerously ... I don't use either of the two well-known, unsophisticated, simple systems, just laying to a fixed stake (which I don't use because its accidents are proportionally too expensive and because it fails adequately to make the profits deserved after successfully identifying and laying "value shorties"); nor just laying to a fixed liability (which I don't use because it's inherently mathematically unsound and ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to happen at the lower end of the scale). So I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a complicated mixture of the two different systems, but I find it very straightforward and I understand (although perhaps wrongly?) that all pro-layers on the exchanges use some variation of this ... 8) __________________ maria santonix 10-17-2005, 09:25 PM

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Thanks for explaining Maria. Good luck with it. Quote:

Your "perspective on the laying game", as you put it, maybe does not involve being able to read!* I suggest to you that there are many other threads here for you to read if you don't like this one and it seems that you don't! Janis, or whoever or whatever the fcuk you are I suggest you don't try telling me which threads to read and which not to. Now go away and mind your own business or I might think you are a troll just here to cause trouble. 10-18-2005, 11:34 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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I'll leave the arguing to you guys and just list the selections, then, shall I? ... : The Forty-Sixth Day ... Tuesday 18th October ... Krischera 1.50 Southwell ... Whispering John 2.10 Exeter ... Gilded Cove 2.20 Southwell ... Make My Dream 2.30 Yarmouth ... Surefast 2.40 Exeter ... Deep Sleep 2.50 Southwell ... Tuscan Treaty 3.30 Yarmouth ... King Of Meze 4.00 Yarmouth ... Bobby Kennard 4.50 Southwell ...

Good luck to all of us today!

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Hi Maria, Your system seems to be returning to winning ways, after an unusually protracted losing period. Good luck today.

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Thank you, MM ... I'm hoping so, although a losing month is always possible and there were a couple of long periods over the last year when the bank really didn't seem to move much at all ... :P I certainly don't claim that the system's perfect: far from it. But if I can duplicate the last year's results over the current year, I'll be pretty happy with that ... I suspect, though, that one year's results are not actually enough to predict this confidently ... :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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The Fifty-Third Day ... Wednesday 26th October ... 9 selections today: not bad for a wet Wednesday with one meeting abandoned ... Diamond Jack 1.45 Sedgefield ... The River Joker 2.15 Sedgefield ... Party Games 2.35 Cheltenham ... Chokdee 3.10 Cheltenham ... Reiziger 3.10 Cheltenham ... Celtic Flow 3.25 Sedgefield ... Sweet Diversion 3.45 Cheltenham ... Nick The Silver 4.00 Sedgefield ... Silver Dollars 5.10 Sedgefield ...

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Results Update: Day 53 ... Diamond Jack 1.45 Sedgefield ... 5/1, 6.4 £30.13 ;D The River Joker 2.15 Sedgefield ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Party Games 2.35 Cheltenham ... 15/2, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Chokdee 3.10 Cheltenham ... 4/1, 5.7, £30.13 ;D Reiziger 3.10 Cheltenham ... 4/1, 5.8 £30.13 ;D Celtic Flow 3.25 Sedgefield ... 13/2, 8.0, £20.08 :'( Sweet Diversion 3.45 Cheltenham ... 13/2, 8.0, £20.08 ;D Nick The Silver 4.00 Sedgefield ... 10/1, 10.0, £20.08 :'( Silver Dollars 5.10 Sedgefield ... 7/1, 10.0 £20.08 ;D Comments:

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Very difficult at the moment to put together a string of "plus" days, it seems, but that's quite often how it goes, of course, otherwise it would be easy ... :-[ Not exactly expensive, but frustrating ... :-[ Afraid I laid to some shocking prices today. Could quite easily have done a bit better but there it is ... Profits today: £171.72 (that's £180.76 less 5% commission); losses £341.36; net loss £169.64 ... Bank now £4394.61; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: (£169.64) Tomorrow's bank: £4394.61 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.72%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.99% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 46.49%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.77% > October strike-rate: 229 wins from 268 selections = 85.45% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 468 wins from 558 selections = 83.87% :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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Maria, the bank is still in plus and the "year" has still a long while to go. Chin up, the balance will steadily move upwards, I am sure of it! Wolf

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The Fifty-Fourth Day ... Thursday 27th October ... Sessile 2.20 Lingfield ... Desert Quest 3.10 Taunton ... <--------- value shortie Exexel 3.20 Lingfield ... Killaghy Castle 3.30 Stratford ... He's The Gaffer 4.10 Taunton ... Hand Chime 4.20 Lingfield ... Log On Intersky 4.30 Stratford ...

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Results Update: Day 54 ... Sessile 2.20 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Desert Quest 3.10 Taunton ... 8/11, 1.8, £50.22 :'( Exexel 3.20 Lingfield ... 14/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Killaghy Castle 3.30 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D He's The Gaffer 4.10 Taunton ... 5/1, 6.2, £30.13 ;D Hand Chime 4.20 Lingfield ... 7/1, 10.0 £20.08 ;D Log On Intersky 4.30 Stratford ... 7/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D Comments:

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Sorry about the value shortie ... but sadly they do sometimes just about manage to limp round ... :-[ Profits today: £143.09 (that's £150.63 less 5% commission); loss £40.18; net profit of £102.91 on the day ... I was hoping to end the month with over £5000, but with only 4 days left, there's no certainty of that at all ... in fact it's odds against, now ... :-\ :P Bank now £4497.52; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: £102.91 Tomorrow's bank: £4497.52 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.34% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.73% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 49.92% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71% October strike-rate: 235 wins from 275 selections = 85.45% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 474 wins from 565 selections = 83.89% :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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The Fifty-Fifth Day ... Friday 28th September ...

Quite a lot today ... Good Samaritan 1.45 Uttoxeter ... Kirby's Vic 1.55 Wetherby ... Gallery Girl 2.05 Newmarket ... Albuhera 2.25 Wetherby ...

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Swallow Magic 2.50 Uttoxeter ... Andre Chenier 3.00 Wetherby ... Pay Attention 3.00 Wetherby ... Provocative 3.35 Wetherby ... Mikado 4.35 Uttoxeter ... Cirrus 4.45 Wetherby ... Tom Forest 5.00 Newmarket ... 8) __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 55 ... Good Samaritan 1.45 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 7.4 £30.13 ;D Kirby's Vic 1.55 Wetherby ... 13/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D Gallery Girl 2.05 Newmarket ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Albuhera 2.25 Wetherby ... 11/4, 3.8, £30.13 :'( Swallow Magic 2.50 Uttoxeter ... 10/1, 9.6, £20.08 ;D Andre Chenier 3.00 Wetherby ... 5/2, 4.0, £30.13 ;D Pay Attention 3.00 Wetherby ... 13/2, 5.8 £30.13 ;D Provocative 3.35 Wetherby ... 8/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'( Mikado 4.35 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'( Cirrus 4.45 Wetherby ... 7/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D Tom Forest 5.00 Newmarket ... ?, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Comments: Dreadful day, just when I really wanted a good one ... :'( Profits today: £200.34 (that's £210.89 less 5% commission); loss £365.49; net loss of £165.15 on the day ... Bank now £4332.37; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: (£165.15) Tomorrow's bank: £4332.37 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.67% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.33% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 44.41%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 11 selections = 72.72% > October strike-rate: 243 wins from 286 selections = 84.97% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 482 wins from 576 selections = 83.68% :-\ __________________ maria santonix

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The Fifty-Sixth Day ... Saturday 29th October ... Kings Signal 1.40 Lingfield ... Under The Rainbow 2.05 Newmarket ... Alderburn 2.15 Lingfield ... Vandas Choice 2.20 Wetherby ... The History Man 2.30 Ayr ... Crystal D'Ainay 2.50 Wetherby ... Babodana 3.10 Newmarket ... Rohaani 3.45 Newmarket ... Mystical Ayr 4.10 Ayr ... Mussorgsky 4.20 Newmarket ... Davy's Luck 4.30 Lingfield ... Valleymore 4.35 Wetherby ... Habitual Dancer 5.10 Wetherby ... Bel Cantor 6.45 Wolverhampton ... Sir Nod 7.20 Wolverhampton ... Rio Riva 8.30 Wolverhampton ... Desert Leader 9.00 Wolverhampton ... Alchemist Master 9.30 Wolverhampton ... :-X __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 56 ... Kings Signal 1.40 Lingfield ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Under The Rainbow 2.05 Newmarket ... 9/1, 10.5 £20.08 :'( Alderburn 2.15 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Vandas Choice 2.20 Wetherby ... 4/1, 5.8, £30.13 ;D The History Man 2.30 Ayr ... 8/1, 9.2, £20.08 :'( Crystal D'Ainay 2.50 Wetherby ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Babodana 3.10 Newmarket ... 9/2, 5.6, £30.13 ;D Rohaani 3.45 Newmarket ... non-runner Mystical Ayr 4.10 Ayr ... 3/1, 4.8, £30.13 ;D Mussorgsky 4.20 Newmarket ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Davy's Luck 4.30 Lingfield ... 12/1, 9.6, £20.08 ;D Valleymore 4.35 Wetherby ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Habitual Dancer 5.10 Wetherby ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Bel Cantor 6.45 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Sir Nod 7.20 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D Rio Riva 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Desert Leader 9.00 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.2, £30.13 ;D Alchemist Master 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.8, £20.08 ;D Comments: Today was one of those frustrating days when I really felt I actually deserved to do a little bit better than I did ... (and I don't often say that) ... > Profits today: £343.42 (that's £361.50 less 5% commission); losses £355.42; net loss of exactly £12 on the day, which is pretty annoying! ... Bank now £4320.37; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: (£12) Tomorrow's bank: £4320.37 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.28%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.01% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 44.01% Today's strike-rate: 15 wins from 17 selections = 88.23 October strike-rate: 258 wins from 303 selections = 85.15% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 497 wins from 593 selections = 83.81%

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Sunday 30th October ... no selections ... The going's very bad and unreliable today, apart from at Lingfield obviously, and I'm taking a day off today ... the system returns tomorrow ... __________________ maria santonix #283

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Its a good idea to have regular days off as this thread must take up a lot of your time.

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Thanks, Martin ... I take your point entirely ... It depends how you look at it, a little bit, though ... I'm doing all the work anyway, for myself and my own betting ... the thread itself is only really "typing and translating

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time" (which means fingernail and brain injuries!) ... The 57th Day ... Monday 31st October, last day of the month with everything to play for but not many selections, unfortunately ... Shakespeare 1.30 Wolverhampton ... Honey's Gift 2.20 Warwick ... Lady Synthia 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Lucky Sinna 3.40 Plumpton ... Midnight Gunner 3.50 Warwick ... Samson Quest 5.00 Wolverhampton ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 57 ... Shakespeare 1.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D Honey's Gift 2.20 Warwick ... 8/1, 9.6, £20.08 ;D Lady Synthia 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.0 £30.13 ;D Lucky Sinna 3.40 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Midnight Gunner 3.50 Warwick ... 15/2, 8.0, £20.08 :'( Samson Quest 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D Comments: Not exactly the end to the month that I wanted, but what can you do? ??? Profits today: £124.02 (that's £130.55 less 5% commission); loss £140.56; net loss of £16.54 on the day ... Bank now £4303.83; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36 Profit/(loss) today: (£16.54) Tomorrow's bank: £4303.83 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.38%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.57% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 43.46% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33 October strike-rate: 263 wins from 309 selections = 85.11% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 502 wins from 599 selections = 83.8%

I'll post a little round-up of the month later ... __________________ maria santonix

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Quick "round-up of the month" ... : In September, a strike-rate of only 81.72% produced 25% profit. In October, a strikerate of 85.11% produced 14.57% profit. I'm afraid this is typical of the sort of variability I expect from month to month ... :-\ The last couple of weeks have felt to me like a really difficult patch. They've contained the two worst days I've ever had, and that wasn't too enjoyable. But at the end of the month, 14.57% profit on the month is nothing to be too upset about. At least, if it is for you, then this system isn't for you because I guarantee there'll be worse months than this ... Not much more to say, really, except that we continue tomorrow, and I wish us all a profitable and prosperous November ... (Janis, if you're around, and especially if you did every bet like last month, you're very welcome to say whether you did better or worse than me over the month, and especially whether you laid to better or worse prices overall than I did.)

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Hi Maria, A quick check for October, your selections coincided with mine 138 times, you were best priced on 87 occasions. I never lay before the first show, might be a moral for me there. .

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Thank you, MayoMan ... interesting observation ... I very often lay before the first show, actually, but by "glorified guesswork" really. I have never really known whether I gain from it. Maybe some months I gain from it and others I lose by it ... ??? It's difficult to know, but most of the time (one hopes!) the horse loses anyway and then it makes no difference. Actually even this isn't always true, because with my system the price sometimes affects the amount of backer's stake to which I lay. But if the price is close to a cut-off I will always leave an unmatched position open. And of course if someone lays to fixed liability, this question will always be important for them anyway ... I wish you a very successful November, Sir.

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The Fifty-Eighth Day ... Tuesday 1st November ...

A nice new month to enter ... Not so many today: just a couple of dangerous shorties, a couple of dangerous long ones and a couple of dangerous inbetweenies ... ;D Bella Bonkers 1.50 Worcester ... Soto 2.00 Catterick ... Stoop To Conquer 2.10 Exeter ... Idle Talk 2.50 Worcester ... Dizzy In The Head 3.30 Catterick ... Ego Trip 4.00 Catterick ... Wishing us all a good and profitable month ... 8) Note for anyone looking in for the first time: these are system lays, not horses to back. I suggest you don't pick and choose, trying to fit this "information" in with selections from other sources: in my experience it doesn't work well that way! __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 58 ... Bella Bonkers 1.50 Worcester ... 9/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D Soto 2.00 Catterick ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Stoop To Conquer 2.10 Exeter ... 11/4, 4.3, £30.13 ;D Idle Talk 2.50 Worcester ... 7/2, 4.2, £30.13 :'( Dizzy In The Head 3.30 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.0, £30.13 :'( Ego Trip 4.00 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Ugh ...

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Not ideal, really. Idle Talk not too horrific, because laying in the 7/2 region is always going to be a bit high risk compared with the average, obviously; Dizzy In The Head just turned out to be a dreadful selection ... Profits today: £95.40 (that's £100.42 less 5% commission); losses £277.20; net loss of £181.80 on the day ...* Bank now £4122.03; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: (£181.80) Tomorrow's bank: £4122.03 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.22%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.22%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 37.4%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.66% > October strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.66% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 506 wins from 605 selections = 83.63%

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Results Update: Day 63 ... Tribal Dancer 1.20 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 56, £30.13 ;D Classic Capers 1.50 Market Rasen ... non-runner Good Investment 2.00 Ayr ... 3/1, 3.35, £50.22 ;D Fearless Foursome 2.00 Ayr ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Underwriter 2.40 Hereford ... 11/4, 3.75, £30.13 :'( Jericho Iii 3.30 Ayr ... 11/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Kaikovra 3.40 Hereford ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Classy Chav 4.00 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Butler Services 4.10 Hereford ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Comments: Yesterday minus £108.94. Today couldn't quite get it back to the penny, but plus £108.55 ... Profits today: £190.81 (that's £200.85 less 5% commission); and loss £82.86, leaving a net profitt on the day of £108.55. Bank now £4214.02; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: £108.55 Tomorrow's bank: £4214.02 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.64% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.09%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.47% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5% October strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 541 wins from 647 selections = 83.62%

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Pity about Underwriter but still a good days profit, Well Done

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The Sixty-Fourth Day ... Monday 7th November ... Only Wolverhampton taking place today, but still a few to lay there ... Jimmy The Guesser 1.55 ... Efrhina 3.05 ... Mobo Baco 4.45 ... We'll Meet Again 5.15 ... Baby Barry 5.15 ... 8) __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 64 ... Jimmy The Guesser 1.55 ... 6/4, 2.6, £50.22 :'( :P :P :P :P :P Efrhina 3.05 ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Mobo Baco 4.45 ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D We'll Meet Again 5.15 ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Baby Barry 5.15 ... 9/2, 6.6, £30.13 ;D Comments: Was not worth getting out of bed today, especially when you think that the "other four" were all unplaced and it never even occurred to me that they might be place lays ... :-\ Profits today: £85.85 (that's £90.37 less 5% commission); and loss £80.35, leaving a net profit on the day of £5.50, don't spend it all at once ... :P Bank now £4219.52; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: £5.50 Tomorrow's bank: £4219.52 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: not worth calculating Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.96%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.65% Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 5 selections = 80% October strike-rate: 43 wins from 53 selections = 81.13% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 545 wins from 652 selections = 83.59%

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The Sixty-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 8th November ... Gallant Approach 1.00 Huntingdon ... Sheer Guts 1.10 Sedgefield ... Bohemian Brook 1.40 Sedgefield ... Jackie Kiely 1.50 Southwell ... Fairy Skin Maker 2.40 Sedgefield ... Domenico 3.00 Huntingdon ... Ndola 3.00 Huntingdon ... Posh Stick 3.10 Sedgefield ... I'm matched on the two in the 3.00 at Huntingdon, at 10.0 and 11.0. They are both currently slightly above 11.0, I admit. I hope that 11.0 will get matched or that people will perhaps decide to take a chance on 12.0, if they wish. I will be including both of them in the results, anyway ... 8) __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: Day 65 ... Gallant Approach 1.00 Huntingdon ... 11/2, 4.8, £30.13 :'( Sheer Guts 1.10 Sedgefield ... 5/1, 5.8, £30.13 :'( Bohemian Brook 1.40 Sedgefield ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Jackie Kiely 1.50 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.4, £30.13 :'( Fairy Skin Maker 2.40 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Domenico 3.00 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Ndola 3.00 Huntingdon ... 20/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Posh Stick 3.10 Sedgefield ... non-runner Comments: I laid Ndola at 11.0 this morning, as I mentioned above, but it opened at 10/1

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anyway, before drifting. Of the others I do not speak ... :-X Profits today: £76.30 (that's £80.32 less 5% commission); and nasty losses £421.83, leaving a net loss on the day of £341.51 ... :'( The bank has now slipped back to £3878.01; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: (£345.51) Tomorrow's bank: £3878.01 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: not worth calculating Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (9.89%) :'( Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 29.27% Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 7 selections = 57.14% :'( October strike-rate: 47 wins from 60 selections = 78.33% :'( Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 549 wins from 659 selections = 83.31%

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The Sixty-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 9th November ... Abbielou 2.20 Wolverhampton ... Musical Romance 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Lanmire Tower 3.00 Lingfield ... The Rebound Kid 3.20 Wolverhampton ... St Ivian 3.50 Wolverhampton ... Flyingwithoutwings 4.00 Lingfield ... J R Stevenson 4.20 Wolverhampton ... Orenay 4.50 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 66 ... Abbielou 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 15/2, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Musical Romance 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Lanmire Tower 3.00 Lingfield ... 11/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'( The Rebound Kid 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D St Ivian 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Flyingwithoutwings 4.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D J R Stevenson 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Orenay 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D Comments: Profits today: £171.72 (that's £180.76 less 5% commission); and loss £160.64, leaving a net profit on the day of £11.08. I'm not complaining because I laid everything very early today and in a hurry, and it didn't cost me anything to do this. Lanmire Tower opened at 8/1, came in to 7/1 and then drifted all the way to 11/1 apparently, so it looks like for once I got about the best price, quite by chance, on the only one that really mattered ... The bank is now £3889.09; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: £11.08 Tomorrow's bank: £3889.09 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: not worth calculating Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (9.63%)* :'( Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 29.63% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5%

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October strike-rate: 54 wins from 68 selections = 79.41% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 556 wins from 667 selections = 83.35% :-\ __________________

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The Sixty-Seventh Day ... Thursday 10th November ... Moonshine Surprise 1.40 Taunton ... Ready To Rumble 2.00 Ludlow ... Law Breaker 2.20 Lingfield ... Alright Now Mlad 2.30 Ludlow ... Luneray3.00 Ludlow ... Red Dahlia 3.10 Taunton ... Swindon 3.20 Lingfield ... Air Guitar 3.30 Ludlow ... Hehasalife 3.40 Taunton ...

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Results Update: Day 67 ... Moonshine Surprise 1.40 Taunton ... 11/4, 3.4, £50.22 ;D Ready To Rumble 2.00 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.2, £30.13 ;D Law Breaker 2.20 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D Alright Now Mlad 2.30 Ludlow ... 16/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Luneray3.00 Ludlow ... 9/4, 3.3, £50.22 :'( Red Dahlia 3.10 Taunton ... 17/2, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Swindon 3.20 Lingfield ... non-runner Air Guitar 3.30 Ludlow ... 15/2, 7.4, £30.13 :'( Hehasalife 3.40 Taunton ... 11/4, 5.2, £30.13 ;D Comments: Very difficult at the moment, one of those periods that really test your patience and discipline. Can't object too much to Luneray at 9/4, I suppose, as shorties are always going to be high-risk; but Air Guitar was most unexpected and unpleasant ... Profits today: £162.18 (that's £170.72 less 5% commission); and loss £308.35, leaving a net deficit on the day of £146.17. The bank is now £3742.92; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: (£146.17) Tomorrow's bank: £3742.92 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.76%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (13.03%)* :'( Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 24.76%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75% > October strike-rate: 60 wins from 76 selections = 78.95% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 562 wins from 675 selections = 83.26%

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you're on a roll again Maria, well done. yours, Richy

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WELL DONE Maria

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:-* :-*

The Seventy-Fifth Day ... Friday 18th November ... what can I tell you ... we are three quarters of the way to our first hundred days and it's too cold ... :-\

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M'Lord 1.10 Exeter ... Spectrometer 2.15 Exeter ... Myson 2.40 Windsor ... L'Eau Du Nil 3.25 Exeter ... Mister Apples 3.45 Windsor ...

Five is enough for today, with Kelso frozen off, n'est-ce pas?

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Results Update: Day 75 ... M'Lord 1.10 Exeter ... 5/2, 3.25, £50.22 ;D Spectrometer 2.15 Exeter ... 6/1, 6.8, £30.13 ;D Myson 2.40 Windsor ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D L'Eau Du Nil 3.25 Exeter ... 9/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D Mister Apples 3.45 Windsor ... 17/2, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Comments: Profits today: £152.65 (that's £160.59 less 5% commission); no losses* ;D Bank now £4441.01; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

And that brings the month back into profit ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: £152.65 Tomorrow's bank: £4441.01 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.56%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.19% 8) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 48.03% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 5 selections = 100%* ;D October strike-rate: 117 wins from 139 selections = 84.17% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 619 wins from 738 selections = 83.88% 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

18-11-2005, 06:40 PM Posts: n/a

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Hi Maria, looking good.* Whilst your staking system is no doubt proving good enough for you, after reading your first post, I just wanted to disagree with your reasoning behind disliking fixed liability staking. When staking in the stepping manner that you do, you should find it more profitable actually increasing your stakes the higher the odds and not vice versa.* Yes it's more liability, but as you said yourself, the higher end of the scale is less likely to win. I have over 50,000 lays in spreadsheets from around 3 different systems, built into excel are over 10 staking strategies and nothing beats fixed liability.* Fixed stake is less volatile for those who like a slightly less profitable yet more stable ride.

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I have over 50,000 lays in spreadsheets from around 3 different systems, built into excel are over 10 staking strategies Oooooh, you have miles more than me, of course. Thank you for posting here ... Quote:

Originally Posted by lay-2-win nothing beats fixed liability.* Fixed stake is less volatile for those who like a slightly less profitable yet more stable ride ... Sure - I understand this, that's sort of why I'm combining the two, hoping to find the best of both worlds and at the same time make it reasonably stable for people with a bit of a nervous disposition ... :-\ If I can interest you in continuing the conversation, please register instead of being a guest so that at least I can pester you with a private message? your comments anyway! 8)

but thank you for

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Weel done Maria full house today 8)

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Hi LAY-2WIN can you explain your fixed liability system

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Thanks, guys ... Sorry, but no lay selections today (Saturday 19th Nov) ... not feeling great, and a day off doesn't hurt occasionally ... :-[ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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how can a guest post. thought you had to be registered ???

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You do, he got deleted :-* __________________ Horse Racing Blog

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was he a naughty boy?

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Even naughtier than you

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So I don't even have the monopoly on being naughty? :'( Not even in the "Maria's laying system" thread? :'( :'(

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Originally Posted by drumbeg Hi LAY-2WIN* can you explain your fixed liability system You lay to fixed lability ;D #346

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You are still doing good, Maria!

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Hope your feeling better Maria :-*

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The Seventy-Sixth Day (yawn) ... Sunday 20th November ... Conna Castle 12.55 Cork ... Arteea 1.15 Punchestown ... State Of Play 1.30 Plumpton ... Stavordale Lad 1.30 Plumpton ... Brave Inca 2.15 Punchestown ... Macs Joy 2.15 Punchestown ... Forest Gunner 2.50 Aintree ... Manque Neuf 3.10 Plumpton ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 76 ... Conna Castle 12.55 Cork ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.13 ;D Arteea 1.15 Punchestown ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D State Of Play 1.30 Plumpton ... 9/4, 3.0, £50.22 :'( Stavordale Lad 1.30 Plumpton ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Brave Inca 2.15 Punchestown ... 11/4, 3.8, £30.13 :'( Macs Joy 2.15 Punchestown ... 11/2, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Forest Gunner 2.50 Aintree ... 11/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D Manque Neuf 3.10 Plumpton ... 6/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'( Comments: Eeuuuuuuuuuh, was really not expecting such a bad day today ... It was especially bad for me because I managed to lay State Of Play within my lowest cut-off and therefore for the largest amount ... :'( Profits today: £143.11 (that's £150.65 less 5% commission); losses of £345.45 leaving a net loss on the day of £202.34. Bank now £4238.67; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: (£202.34) Tomorrow's bank: £4238.67 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.56% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.51%) :'( Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 41.29%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 8 selections = 67.5% > October strike-rate: 122 wins from 147 selections = 82.99% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 624 wins from 746 selections = 83.65%

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Monday 21st November ... No lays today ... with Ludlow abandoned and Lingfield being banded racing, there isn't so much left ... and I can't get too enthusiastic about Southwell, really ... sorry ... :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Originally Posted by maria Monday 21st November ... No lays today ... with Ludlow abandoned and Lingfield being banded racing, there isn't so much left ... and I can't get too enthusiastic about Southwell, really ... sorry ...* :-\ Know what you mean Maria tricky racing today,i was glad to end up £3 up (£200 ish down at one point) today and was'nt confident about any selections which is why i did'nt post any............. :'( __________________ "How dare you."

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Oooooh! £3 up is a whole lot better than £200 down!! __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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22nd November ... sorry, still not well here ... might be off for another day or two. I am not abandoning the thread, or the forum, and will be back very soon to continue promise! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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hope you feel better soon yours Richy

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Thanks, Richy ...

The Seventy-Seventh Day ... Thursday 24th November ... Inchcape Rock 12.30 Taunton ... Turpin Green 1.15 Carlisle ... Buddhi 1.25 Uttoxeter ... Chockdee 1.40 Taunton ... Nevada Red 1.50 Carlisle ... Pearly Bay 2.15 Taunton ... Finzi 3.10 Uttoxeter ... Tonic Du Charmil 3.20 Taunton ...

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Results Update: Day 77 ... Inchcape Rock 12.30 Taunton ... 9/4, 3.4, £50.22 ;D Turpin Green 1.15 Carlisle ... evens, 2.0, £50.22 :'( Buddhi 1.25 Uttoxeter ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Chockdee 1.40 Taunton ... 10/3, 4.5, £30.13 ;D Nevada Red 1.50 Carlisle ... 9/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Pearly Bay 2.15 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 :'( Finzi 3.10 Uttoxeter ... 11/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D Tonic Du Charmil 3.20 Taunton ... 7/2, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Comments: Managed to lose a few pounds today, on balance ... > Profits today: £181.28 (that's £190.82 less 5% commission); losses of £194.85 leaving a net loss on the day of £13.57.

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Bank now £4225.10; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: (£13.57) Tomorrow's bank: £4225.10 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.32%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.83%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.84%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75%* > October strike-rate: 128 wins from 155 selections = 82.58% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 630 wins from 754 selections = 83.55%

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The Seventy-Eighth Day ... Friday 25th November ... Backgammon 12.50 Musselburgh ... Ornella Speed 1.20 Musselburgh ... Lustral Du Seuil 1.35 Newbury ... Danse Spectre 1.45 Wolverhampton ... Best Game 1.55 Musselburgh ... Shalako 2.15 Newbury ... Lyrical Blue 4.25 Wolverhampton ... Good luck!

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Shalako runs in the 3.15 at Newbury, of course, not the "2.15" as mentioned in the post above. (There isn't a "2.15" race anywhere). Just a typo, sorry ... ??? __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Results Update: Day 78 ... Backgammon 12.50 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Ornella Speed 1.20 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Lustral Du Seuil 1.35 Newbury ... 9/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D Danse Spectre 1.45 Wolverhampton ... non-runner : Best Game 1.55 Musselburgh ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Shalako 3.15 Newbury ... 5/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Lyrical Blues 4.25 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 10.0 £20.08 ;D Comments:

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Profits today: £162.19 (that's £170.73 less 5% commission); no losses ... ;D Bank now £4387.29; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83 Profit/(loss) today: £162.19 Tomorrow's bank: £4387.29 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.84% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.94% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 46.24% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%* ;D October strike-rate: 134 wins from 161 selections = 83.23% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 636 wins from 760 selections = 83.68%

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Well done today Maria, 100% success rate, hard to beat. .

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Methodically excluding system selections for whatever reason will cost you more than it will profit you. Nevertheless, you're doing alright by looks of things.

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Originally Posted by ooer missus Methodically excluding system selections for whatever reason will cost you more than it will profit you. I've often wondered. Certainly I have no real significant evidence of the opposite. Quote:

Originally Posted by ooer missus Nevertheless, you're doing alright by looks of things.* Thanks ... but to be honest I'm doing worse than the previous year over the same period. I'm hoping that that's just random, of course. And I'm hoping that January and February will be as kind to me as they were last year, but that may also have been random! ... ??? ??? ??? __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Maria, Glad to see you've returned

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Originally Posted by maria a bit lucky with the prices at which King Of Gothland and Vertical Bloom laid, In fact it was the difference between a winning and losing day. Definitely more profitable to obtain the best prices. Good luck today.

09-12-2005, 12:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thank you, MayoMan ...

So ... the Eighty-Eighth Day (this language!) ... Friday 9th December ... busier, today ... and some real shorties of the kind I dislike so much ... Mind Alert 12.35 Wolverhampton ... Mambazo 12.35 Wolverhampton ... Back Nine 12.45 Cheltenham ... Dennick 1.35 Doncaster ... Spot Thedifference 1.55 Cheltenham ... Lorient Express 2.40 Doncaster Covent Garden 3.05 Cheltenham ... The Duke's Speech 3.15 Doncaster ... Obrigado 4.00 Wolverhampton ... Good luck today!

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Results Update: Day 88 ... Mind Alert 12.35 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D Mambazo 12.35 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.0, £30.13 :'( Back Nine 12.45 Cheltenham ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Dennick 1.35 Doncaster ... 2/1, 3.1, £50.22 :'( Spot Thedifference 1.55 Cheltenham ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Lorient Express 2.40 Doncaster ... 2/1, 2.5, £50.22 :'( Covent Garden 3.05 Cheltenham ... 6/1, 5.8, £30.13 ;D The Duke's Speech 3.15 Doncaster ... 7/2, 5.0, £30.13 ;D Obrigado 4.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Eeeeewwwwwwwwww ... >

could just have done without today's results ...

Profits today: £162.19 (that's £170.73 less 5% commission); losses £301.31, net loss on the day of £139.12. Bank now £3988.53; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: (£139.12) Tomorrow's bank: £3988.53 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.37%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.82%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 32.95% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 9 selections = 66.67% :'( December strike-rate: 21 wins from 28 selections = 75% > Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 674 wins from 815 selections = 82.7%

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09-12-2005, 08:20 PM Join Date: Nov 2005

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It's a tough ride in the laying world of late Maria. Big upturns should be arriving any second. #397

09-12-2005, 08:41 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Agree with your first sentence; so hoping your second is right, too - thank you ... 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

10-12-2005, 11:38 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Eighty-Ninth Day ... Saturday 10th December ... Not so much today for a Saturday, but Lingfield's abandoned and I can't really find anything suitable at Wolverhampton this evening ... :-[ Silsong 12.30 Southwell ... Bull Market 1.05 Southwell ... Don't Call Me Derek 1.45 Doncaster ... Amwell Brave 2.10 Southwell ... Krakow Baba 2.20 Doncaster ... Black Jack Ketchum 3.45 Cheltenham ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 89 ... Silsong 12.30 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Bull Market 1.05 Southwell ... 10/11, 2.0, £50.22 :'( Don't Call Me Derek 1.45 Doncaster ... 3/1, 4.3, £30.13 ;D Amwell Brave 2.10 Southwell ... 9/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Krakow Baba 2.20 Doncaster ... 9/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D Black Jack Ketchum 3.45 Cheltenham ... 4/6, 1.66, £50.22 :'( Comments: Just a note of "academic interest": I don't remember ever before having 2 horses win out of 6 selections and still making a profit on the day ... :-\ Profits today: £114.49 (that's £120.52 less 5% commission); losses £83.37, net profit on the day of £31.12. Bank now £4019.65; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)

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Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £31.12 Tomorrow's bank: £4019.65 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.78% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.08%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 33.99% Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.67% December strike-rate: 25 wins from 34 selections = 73.53%* > Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 678 wins from 821 selections = 82.58%

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10-12-2005, 07:00 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Yes indeed ... I wondered if that comment might "draw you in", EC ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #402

10-12-2005, 07:03 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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;D :P #403

11-12-2005, 01:09 AM Join Date: Nov 2005

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That's where your staking policy finally becomes advantageous. I still wager you'd be more up on fixed liability :P #404

12-12-2005, 12:21 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Ninetieth Day ... Monday 12th Decembuary ... Cost Analysis 1.10 Wolverhampton ... Harare 1.10 Wolverhampton ... Cativo Cavallino 1.40 Wolverhampton ... Naval Attache 3.00 Southwell ... Killing Me Softly 3.20 Plumpton ... Blueberry Tart 3.40 Wolverhampton ... Good luck today!

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12-12-2005, 05:10 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 90 ... Cost Analysis 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Harare 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Cativo Cavallino 1.40 Wolverhampton ... 5/6, 1.89, £50.22 ;D Naval Attache 3.00 Southwell ... 7/4, 2.66, £50.22 ;D Killing Me Softly 3.20 Plumpton ... 7/1, 8.8, £20.08 ;D Blueberry Tart 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: This month's in profit ... 8) Profits today: £200.36 (that's £210.91 less 5% commission); no losses ... ;D Bank now £4220.01; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £200.36 Tomorrow's bank: £4220.01 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.98% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.7% 8) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.67%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100% December strike-rate: 31 wins from 40 selections = 77.5%* > Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 684 wins from 827 selections = 82.71%

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12-12-2005, 05:12 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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some shorties there, nice 8) I bottled out of laying Cativo, it was a toss up between Surdoe and that for me today. #407

12-12-2005, 05:13 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Well done with Surdoe; brave call ... never looked anywhere near winning: very good selection in spite of being dangerously short ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #408

12-12-2005, 05:17 PM Join Date: Mar 2005

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WELL DONE Maria

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12-12-2005, 08:05 PM Join Date: Feb 2005

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Smashing stuff Maria Top of the Pops #410

13-12-2005, 01:22 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Tuesday 13th December ... sorry, mostly travelling today ("today, I will mostly be travelling!"

), so no selections. Back to normal tomorrow ... 8)

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The Ninety-First Day ... Wednesday 14th December ... Villair 1.35 Bangor Hiers De Brouage 1.55 Newbury ... Spring Grove 2.25 Newbury ... Beau Supreme 2.25 Newbury ... Fourty Acers 2.40 Bangor ... Park Star 2.50 Lingfield ... Heavenly Chorus 3.30 Newbury ... Bartercard 3.40 Bangor ... Good luck!

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14-12-2005, 04:33 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 91 ... Villair 1.35 Bangor ... 9/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D Hiers De Brouage 1.55 Newbury ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Spring Grove 2.25 Newbury ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Beau Supreme 2.25 Newbury ... 9/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Fourty Acers 2.40 Bangor ... 9/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Park Star 2.50 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Heavenly Chorus 3.30 Newbury ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Bartercard 3.40 Bangor ... 12/1, 8.6, £20.08 ;D Comments:

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Profits today: £200.34 (that's £210.89 less 5% commission); no losses ...* ;D Bank now £4420.35; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £200.34 Tomorrow's bank: £4420.35 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.75% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.49%* 8) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 47.34%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100%* December strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 692 wins from 835 selections = 82.87%

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14-12-2005, 04:40 PM Join Date: Sep 2003

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nicely done Maria - making this laying game look easy again ;D #414

15-12-2005, 12:39 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Ninety-Second Day ... Thursday 15th December ... Lord Payne 12.50 Catterick ... Water Taxi 1.20 Catterick ... The Merry Mason 1.50 Catterick ... Good Outlook 2.20 Catterick ... North Landing 2.50 Catterick ... Custom Design 3.20 Catterick ... And if they turn out to be no good as intended, as lays, then I will just have to come back later and change the heading to "Through the card at Catterick" ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #415

15-12-2005, 06:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 92 ... Lord Payne 12.50 Catterick ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Water Taxi 1.20 Catterick ... 13/2, 6.6, £30.13 ;D The Merry Mason 1.50 Catterick ... 10/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Good Outlook 2.20 Catterick ... 5/1, 5.9, £30.13 ;D North Landing 2.50 Catterick ... 9/1, 10.0, £20.08 :'( Custom Design 3.20 Catterick ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: North Landing ... that's nearly as bad as a loser can be in this system ... :P Profits today: £133.57 (that's £140.60 less 5% commission); loss £200.80, net loss on the day of £67.23 ... > Bank now £4353.12; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: (£67.23) Tomorrow's bank: £4353.12 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.52%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.88% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.1% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33 December strike-rate: 44 wins from 54 selections = 81.48% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 697 wins from 841 selections = 82.88% :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #416

15-12-2005, 07:48 PM Join Date: Mar 2005

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Unlucky With North Landing , wish you had been right as picked that as a bet and missed it due to comp probs :'( Well Done with yesterdays selections, sorry bit late but only just got to read what you did yesterday.

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16-12-2005, 12:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Ninety-Third Day ... Firday 16th December ... Pedros Brief 12.30 Windsor ... Noun De La Thinte 12.50 Uttoxeter ... Gentleman Jimmy 1.00 Windsor ... Madrasee 1.40 Wolverhampton ... Maximinus 2.05 Windsor ... Jarro 3.10 Windsor ... Tiger Tiger 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Good luck!

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16-12-2005, 05:23 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 93 ... Pedros Brief 12.30 Windsor ... 13/2, 7.8, £20.08 :'( Noun De La Thinte 12.50 Uttoxeter ... 10/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D Gentleman Jimmy 1.00 Windsor ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Madrasee 1.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D Maximinus 2.05 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Jarro 3.10 Windsor ... 11/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D Tiger Tiger 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Comments: Profits today: £152.64 (that's £160.68 less 5% commission); loss £136.55, net profit on the day of only £16.09 ...* > Bank now £4369.21; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)

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Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £16.09 Tomorrow's bank: £4369.21 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.37% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.26% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.64% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71 December strike-rate: 50 wins from 61 selections = 81.97% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 703 wins from 848 selections = 82.9%

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17-12-2005, 12:15 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Ninety-Fourth Day ... Saturday 17th December ... Restricted choice, with a couple of meetings abandoned ... :P One Way Ticket 12.20 Lingfield ... Storm Becks 12.30 Fairyhouse ... Alphabetic 1.35 Haydock ... Double Honour 2.05 Haydock ... Nathos 2.35 Haydock ... Fromsong 3.00 Lingfield ...

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17-12-2005, 03:28 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 94 ... One Way Ticket 12.20 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.3, £30.13 ;D Storm Becks 12.30 Fairyhouse ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Alphabetic 1.35 Haydock ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Double Honour 2.05 Haydock ... 9/2, 5.6, £30.13 :'( Nathos 2.35 Haydock ... 6/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Fromsong 3.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 8.8, £20.08 ;D Comments: Profits today: £124.02 (that's £130.55 less 5% commission); loss £138.60, net loss on the day of £14.58 ... Bank now £4354.63; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: (£14.58) Tomorrow's bank: £4354.63 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.33%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.92% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.16% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33 December strike-rate: 55 wins from 67 selections = 82.09% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 708 wins from 854 selections = 82.9%

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18-12-2005, 01:18 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Ninety-Fifth Day ... Sunday 18th December ... Ton-Chee 1.20 Musselburgh ... Mr Incredible 1.30 Southwell ... Spring Breeze 1.50 Musselburgh ... Saif Sareea 2.20 Musselburgh ... Snowy 2.50 Musselburgh ... Sea Frolic 3.30 Southwell ... Good luck!

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18-12-2005, 04:26 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 95 ... Ton-Chee 1.20 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Mr Incredible 1.30 Southwell ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Spring Breeze 1.50 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Saif Sareea 2.20 Musselburgh ... 7/2, 3.0, £100.44 :'( Snowy 2.50 Musselburgh ... 11/4, 3.85, £30.13 :'( Sea Frolic 3.30 Southwell ... 2/1, 3.7, £30.13 :'( Comments: Miserable shorties ... not to be trusted ... >

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Profits today: £76.32 (that's £80.34 less 5% commission); losses £267.66, net loss on the day of £191.34 ... Bank now £4163.29; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: (£191.34) Tomorrow's bank: £4163.29 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.39%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.65%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 38.78% Today's strike-rate: 3 wins from 6 selections = 50% :P December strike-rate: 58 wins from 73 selections = 79.45% > Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 711 wins from 860 selections = 82.67%

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19-12-2005, 12:23 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Ninety-Sixth Day ... Monday 19th December ... Patience and discipline; patience and discipline; patience and discipline ... 8) 8) 8) The Grocer's Curate 12.45 Doncaster ... Fuel Cell 1.20 Doncaster ... Willheconquertoo 2.20 Wolverhampton ... Presumptuous 2.30 Doncaster ... Lindsay 3.00 Doncaster ... Harare 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Good luck!

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19-12-2005, 03:35 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: Day 96 ... The Grocer's Curate 12.45 Doncaster ... 6/1, 4.2, £30.13 ;D Fuel Cell 1.20 Doncaster ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Willheconquertoo 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Presumptuous 2.30 Doncaster ... 7/1, 8.0, £20.08 ;D Lindsay 3.00 Doncaster ... 9/2, 5.2, £30.13 :'( Harare 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Not worth bothering today ... the only saving grace was that at least Lindsay (which turned out to be the one that mattered) was easy to lay to a good price, as it touched 4/1 ... but on the other hand I think I missed the opportunity to lay Presumptuous to 7.4 (which would have made a profit on the day instead of a loss for me) by stupidly not leaving 7.4 unmatched for some reason ... ??? Profits today: £124.02 (that's £130.55 less 5% commission); loss £126.55, net loss on the day of £2.53 ... Bank now £4160.76; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: (£2.53) Tomorrow's bank: £4160.76 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.06%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.71%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 38.7% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33%

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December strike-rate: 63 wins from 79 selections = 79.75%* > Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 716 wins from 866 selections = 82.68%

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19-12-2005, 05:30 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Well done Maria

You put a lot of hard work into this and deserve credit

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20-12-2005, 12:33 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thanks, Viva ... :-*

So ... the Ninety-Seventh Day ... Tuesday 20th December ... Quite a lot today for a "quiet Tuesday before Christmas" ... :-\ Danelor 12.50 Southwell

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Dictator 1.10 Fontwell ... Grenane 1.30 Lingfield ... Blackthorn 1.40 Fontwell (11.0) Making Moves 1.50 Southwell ... Mercato 2.10 Fontwell ... Maktavish 2.20 Southwell ... Waterside 2.30 Lingfield ... Ballyhoo 2.40 Fontwell ... Forest Fauna 2.40 Fontwell ... Walcot Lad 3.10 Fontwell ... I'm already matched at 11.0 on Blackthorn and will therefore be including it in the results, though at the moment it's higher ... Good luck!

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20-12-2005, 03:58 PM Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Viva Well done Maria

You put a lot of hard work into this and deserve credit

She deserves more than that!! #428

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You never know where your "credit"'s good, these days, though ... : Not so sure today, after getting the 3.10 race so wrong. Have been out most of the afternoon ... but I backed Lost In Normandy (handicap selection) and laid Walcot Lad, which apparently won the race at 6/1 (I laid to £20.08 at 7.8, costing me £136.55 plus the £20.08 less commission I failed to win, of course!). Could have been worse, I suppose ... my only winner, anyway ... :-\ Will update my results later, but must be up £100 or so, I think ... :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #429

20-12-2005, 04:37 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Well done Maria __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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Results Update: Day 97 ... Danelor 12.50 Southwell ... 7/4, 3.2, £50.22 ;D Dictator 1.10 Fontwell ... 9/2, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Grenane 1.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.6, £30.13 ;D Blackthorn 1.40 Fontwell ... 14/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D Making Moves 1.50 Southwell ... non-runner Mercato 2.10 Fontwell ... 4/1, 4.4, £30.13 ;D Maktavish 2.20 Southwell ... 17/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Waterside 2.30 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Ballyhoo 2.40 Fontwell ... 16/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Forest Fauna 2.40 Fontwell ... 14/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D Walcot Lad 3.10 Fontwell ... 6/1, 7.8, £20.08 :'( Comments: Enough already said above about the 3.10 race ... :P Profits today: £248.34 (that's £261.41 less 5% commission); loss £136.55, net profit on the day of £111.79 ... Bank now £4272.55; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £111.79 Tomorrow's bank: £4272.55 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.69% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.96% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 42.42% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91% December strike-rate: 73 wins from 90 selections = 81.11% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 726 wins from 877 selections = 82.78% 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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EXCELLENT THREAD MARIA. KEEP THIS UP AND YOU'LL SOON BE ABLE TO BUY ME A DRINK :P ALL THE BEST GREG ;D #432

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The Ninety-Eighth Day ... Wednesday 21st December ... Moscow Gold 1.10 Ludlow ... Desert Fury 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Barton Sands 2.00 Lingfield ... Lorient Express 2.40 Ludlow ... Capitana 3.10 Ludlow ... Goldstar Dancer 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Miss Chippy 3.40 Ludlow ...

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Results Update: Day 98 ... Moscow Gold 1.10 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.2, £30.13 :'( Desert Fury 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.6, £30.13 ;D Barton Sands 2.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Lorient Express 2.40 Ludlow ... 2/1, 2.6, £50.22 ;D Capitana 3.10 Ludlow ... 15/8, 3.2, £50.22 ;D Goldstar Dancer 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 11/8, 2.4, £50.22 ;D Miss Chippy 3.40 Ludlow ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Shame about Moscow Gold ... but no speeches because one never knows in forums like this whether one might inadvertently offend somebody by making rude remarks about crooked Russians ... : Profits today: £229 (that's £241.05 less 5% commission); loss £126.55, net profit on the day of £102.45 ... Bank now £4375.00; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £102.45 Tomorrow's bank: £4375.00 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.4% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.4% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.83% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71% December strike-rate: 79 wins from 97 selections = 81.44% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 732 wins from 884 selections = 82.8% 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #434

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Well done Maria with your lays and your winner __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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Come on Maria Your late,you cant take time off. iVE GOT MONEY TO BE MADE ;D,LOL :-* #436

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I am always late, Gregski baby ... it's part of the story of my life ... sleeping is one of my great interests ... :-* Wish you good luck with yours today ... 8)

So ... The Ninety-Ninth Day ... Thursday 22nd December ... Efrhina 12.40 Southwell ...

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Grand Bay 12.50 Fakenham ... Fabulous Jet 12.50 Fakenham ... Dance World 12.50 Fakenham ... The City Kid 1.10 Southwell ... Kyno 1.20 Fakenham ... Corrib Lad 2.00 Ayr ... Harrovian 2.30 Ayr ... Cordilla 2.30 Ayr ... Witch Wind 3.00 Ayr ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 99 ... Efrhina 12.40 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Grand Bay 12.50 Fakenham ... 4/1, 4.8, £30.13 ;D Fabulous Jet 12.50 Fakenham ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.13 ;D Dance World 12.50 Fakenham ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D The City Kid 1.10 Southwell ... 13/8, 2.7, £50.22 :'( Kyno 1.20 Fakenham ... 9/2, 5.0, £30.13 ;D Corrib Lad 2.00 Ayr ... 2/1, 3.15, £50.22 ;D Harrovian 2.30 Ayr ... 7/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D Cordilla 2.30 Ayr ... 3/1, 5.0 £30.13 ;D Witch Wind 3.00 Ayr ... 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: I wish all readers and all members here a very Merry Christmas :-* Profits today: £276.70 (that's £291.26 less 5% commission); loss £85.38, net profit on the day of £191.32 ... Bank now £4566.32; the next day's staking unchanged.

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £191.32 Tomorrow's bank: £4566.32 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.37% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.97% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 52.21%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% December strike-rate: 88 wins from 107 selections = 82.24% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 741 wins from 894 selections = 82.89% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #438

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The Hundredth Day ... (finally!) ...

Monday 26th December ...

Plenty today ... Seraph 12.25 Market Rasen ... Mambo 12.35 Sandown ... Gods Token 12.35 Sandown ... Bishop's Bridge 12.55 Market Rasen ... Hidden Bounty 1.20 Wetherby ... Fountain Crumble 1.20 Wetherby ... Supreme Breeze 2.00 Market Rasen ... Truckers Tavern 2.30 Wetherby ... Hazel Bank Lass 2.40 Towcester ... Afro Man 3.00 Huntingdon ... Turgeonev 3.05 Wetherby ...

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Rapallo 3.10 Towcester ... Petitjean 3.45 Wincanton ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 100 ... Seraph 12.25 Market Rasen ... 15/2, 8.6, £20.08 ;D Mambo 12.35 Sandown ... 7/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D Gods Token 12.35 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Bishop's Bridge 12.55 Market Rasen ... 3/1, 4.0, £30.13 :'( Hidden Bounty 1.20 Wetherby ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Fountain Crumble 1.20 Wetherby ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D Supreme Breeze 2.00 Market Rasen ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Truckers Tavern 2.30 Wetherby ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D Hazel Bank Lass 2.40 Towcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Afro Man 3.00 Huntingdon ... 3/1, 3.4, 50.22 ;D Turgeonev 3.05 Wetherby ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Rapallo 3.10 Towcester ... 15/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Petitjean 3.45 Wincanton ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Profits today: £343.47 (that's £361.55 less 5% commission); loss £90.39, net profit on the day of £253.08 ... Bank now £4819.40; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £253.08 Tomorrow's bank: £4819.40 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.54% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 60.65%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.3%* December strike-rate: 100 wins from 120 selections = 83.33% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 753 wins from 907 selections = 83.02% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #440

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a good there Maria 8) 26-12-2005, 06:11 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Well done Maria __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #442

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WELL DONE MARIA ;D THERES ALWAYS ONE TO SPOIL THE PARTY :-\ GREG #443

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The Hundred-And-First Day ("Laying-101") ... Tuesday 27th December ... Quite a bit today, considering that a couple of meetings are abandoned ... Kylkenny 12.35 Southwell ... Kelrev 1.00 Chepstow ... Dans Heir 1.25 Wetherby ... Blue Patrick 1.40 Southwell ... County Final 2.00 Leopardstown ... Fundamentalist 2.00 Wetherby ... Blue Shark 2.05 Chepstow ... One Knight 2.40 Chepstow ... Witchcraft 3.00 Southwell ... Goscar Rock 3.50 Chepstow ... Good luck today!! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #444

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Results Update: Day 101 ... Kylkenny 12.35 Southwell ... 10/3, 4.2, £30.13 :'( Kelrev 1.00 Chepstow ... 13/2, 8.2, £20.08 ;D Dans Heir 1.25 Wetherby ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D Blue Patrick 1.40 Southwell ... 5/1, 5.5, £30.13 ;D County Final 2.00 Leopardstown ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Fundamentalist 2.00 Wetherby ... 3/1, 3.4, £50.22 ;D Blue Shark 2.05 Chepstow ... 7/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'( One Knight 2.40 Chepstow ... 9/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D Witchcraft 3.00 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Goscar Rock 3.50 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Comments: Disappointingly, managed to lose a few pounds today; but it could have been quite a bit worse, to be honest ... :-[ Profits today: £228.98 (that's £241.03 less 5% commission); losses £236.98; net loss on the day of £8 ... Bank now £4811.40; tomorrow's staking unchanged. Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: (£8 ) Tomorrow's bank: £4811.40 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.16%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.82% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 60.38% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 10 selections = 80% December strike-rate: 108 wins from 130 selections = 83.08% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 761 wins from 917 selections = 82.99% Not doing too badly here for an 83% strike-rate, actually. The staking system is earning its keep. 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #445

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Wednesday 28th December ... nothing from me today, with Newbury and Catterick abandoned ... :P __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #446

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Thursday 29th December ... same as yesterday ... :P __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #447

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The Hundred-And-Second Day ... Friday 30th December ... Orchard Supreme 1.00 Lingfield ... What Do You Know 1.00 Lingfield ... Tyup Pompey 1.20 Taunton ... Million Percent 1.30 Lingfield ... General Feeling 1.30 Lingfield ... Vaughan 1.50 Taunton ... Redi 2.20 Taunton ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 102 ... Orchard Supreme 1.00 Lingfield ... 13/8, 2.64, £50.22 :'( What Do You Know 1.00 Lingfield ... 5/1, 3.85, £30.13 ;D Tyup Pompey 1.20 Taunton ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D Million Percent 1.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 4.8, £30.13 ;D General Feeling 1.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Vaughan 1.50 Taunton ... 7/2, 5.0, £30.13 ;D Redi 2.20 Taunton ... 7/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D Comments: Damn shorties ... >

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Profits today: £152.64 (that's £160.68 less 5% commission); loss £82.36; net profit on the day of £70.28 ... Bank now £4881.68; tomorrow's staking unchanged. So ... tomorrow will be the last day of the month and I won't be able to say "... and the bank reached a new high" unless it gets to £5023 ... and I need to make over £140 on the day for that to happen ... which is probably asking too much ... so that

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might have to wait until a few days into the New Year, testing our patience and discipline once again ... :-\ ??? Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £70.28 Tomorrow's bank: £4881.68 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.46% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.49% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 62.72% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71% December strike-rate: 114 wins from 137 selections = 83.21% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 767 wins from 924 selections = 83% 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #449

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Doing very well, lately! Wolf #450

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Hi Wolf, thank you; always a pleasure to see you appear; hope you're getting on well and Happy New Year to you! ...

So ... The Hundred-And-Third Day ... last day of the month (not to mention the year) ... 8) Dr Mann 12.30 Warwick ... He's A Rocket 12.35 Wolverhampton ... Sir Sandrovitch 1.05 Wolverhampton ... All Sonsilver 1.10 Uttoxeter ... Super Lord 1.30 Warwick ... Bleu Superbe 2.20 Lingfield ... Party Bell 2.35 Wolverhampton ... Mizz Tee 3.10 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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rarely do you make a mistake and today was no exception....superb selections...very well done long may you continue !!

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Hi Maria, it looks like you have achieved your target for the year end! Wonderful stuff and well done! I am off now to the Silvester Ball in Munich. That's the equivalent of the scottish Hogmany. Sadly , in England they only tend to drink themselves silly. So, let's have a drink and some fun times. Happy New Year to everybody! Wolf #453

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Oooh, thank you very much, guys ... I got very lucky today, a nice clean sweep end to the year here ... ;D Will update the results later, but +£230 (less commission) today in round numbers ... Wolf, have a great evening and please have a drop of nice Peach Schnapps for me, but don't tell everyone that it's actually much more drinkable than Rigas Balsams! ...

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Results Update: Day 103 ... Dr Mann 12.30 Warwick ... 15/2, 9.0, £20.08 ;D He's A Rocket 12.35 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Sir Sandrovitch 1.05 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.6, £30.13 ;D All Sonsilver 1.10 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Super Lord 1.30 Warwick ... 10/3, 4.2, £30.13 ;D Bleu Superbe 2.20 Lingfield ... 9/2, 7.0, £30.13 ;D Party Bell 2.35 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D Mizz Tee 3.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D Comments: Was in a hurry to go out this afternoon (new year calls for new shoes, of course ... well, most things do, actually ...) so I laid to a lot of very early prices today and they included some dreadful prices, by the look of it. Fortunately it didn't matter because we had an all-too-rare clean sweep ...

Profits today: £219.44 (that's £230.99 less 5% commission); and no losses ... And the bank has at long last reached a new high of £5101.12 ... 8) New staking accordingly for tomorrow, as shown below ... I'll be back later some time tonight - this year or next year - with a round-up of the month ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49 Profit/(loss) today: £219.44 Tomorrow's bank: £5101.12 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £51.01, £30.60 and £20.40 ... 8) Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.5% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 21.73% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 70.04%* ;D Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% December strike-rate: 122 wins from 145 selections = 84.14% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 775 wins from 932 selections = 83.15% 8)

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Well done and happy new year Maria #457

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Very well done Maria ;D ;D #459

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Quick round-up of the month: December ... : Not so much to round up, really. Looked like a boring month for the first half of it ... came good later ... fewer selections than normal for a month (only 145) mostly because of poxy weather ... also had to miss a few early ones out because I don't get up early enough in the day and they start the racing too early this time of year ... :-[ We made 21.73% on the month, with a strike-rate of 84% (which feels healthier than the previous month, anyway) ... Onwards and upwards, I hope ... 8) Very many thanks for all the really supportive comments, best wishes to everyone, and a happy, healthy and prosperous 2006 to all of us and especially Mabbsy-baby for organising and hosting the whole thing ... :-* Bought nice new shoes today ... 8) 8) 8)

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Back tomorrow to lay a few more ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #460

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;D Actually ... I'm not offering any selections today (1st January) ... :-\ I admire the professional work of jockeys, assistants, stable lads and so on; but I think probably they were not all sober and asleep by 10.00pm last night, and I wonder if today's racing results might just be even less predictable than usual ... ??? ??? ??? So, for my laying system selections, the year will start tomorrow ... :-* __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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The Hundred-And-Fourth Day ... Monday 2nd January ... BuzzinBoyzee 1.00 Southwell ...

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Algarve 1.05 Ayr ... True Lover 1.10 Folkestone ... Micky Cole 1.25 Exeter ... Silver Chancellor 1.35 Ayr ... Stoop To Conquer 1.40 Folkestone ... Millennium Hall 2.05 Ayr ... Carapuce 3.10 Ayr ... Devils Island 3.30 Southwell ... Top Dawn 3.40 Ayr ... Caesar's Palace 3.40 Ayr ... Good luck and a prosperous 2006 to us all ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #462

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GL for 2006 but somehow i don't think you will need it divna __________________ divna #463

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Thanks for those Maria, nearly a clean sweep!

Back to work tomorrow, so thats it till perhaps the weekend!

Keep up the superb effort! #464

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Results Update: Day 104 ... BuzzinBoyzee 1.00 Southwell ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.40 ;D Algarve 1.05 Ayr ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.60 ;D True Lover 1.10 Folkestone ... 7/2, 3.85, £30.60 ;D Micky Cole 1.25 Exeter ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D Silver Chancellor 1.35 Ayr ... 20/1, 10.5, £20.40 ;D Stoop To Conquer 1.40 Folkestone ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D Millennium Hall 2.05 Ayr ... 7/2, 5.2, £30.60 ;D Carapuce 3.10 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D Devils Island 3.30 Southwell ... 4/1, 6.2, £30.60 ;D Top Dawn 3.40 Ayr ... 9/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D Caesar's Palace 3.40 Ayr ... 5/1, 6.4, £30.60 :'( Comments: It was all going SO well until Caesar's Palace came with a strong late run ... > Profits today: £271.32 (that's £285.60 less 5% commission); loss £165.24; net profit on the day of £106.08 ... And the bank has reached a new high of £5207.20 ... 8) New staking accordingly for tomorrow, as shown below ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £106.08 Tomorrow's bank: £5207.20 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £52.07, £31.24 and £20.82

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.08% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.08% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 73.57% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.9% January strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.9% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 785 wins from 943 selections = 83.24% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #465

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The Hundred-And-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 3rd January ... The Right People 1.00 Ayr ... Webbswood Lad 1.10 Lingfield ... Do L'Enfant D'Eau 1.30 Ayr ... Chief Dan George 2.05 Ayr ... Ten Shun 2.15 Lingfield ... Ace Club 2.30 Southwell ... Blue Hills 3.00 Southwell ... Mambazo 3.20 Lingfield ... Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 105 ... The Right People 1.00 Ayr ... 12/1, 10.5, £20.82 ;D Webbswood Lad 1.10 Lingfield ... 3/1, 3.4, £52.07 ;D Do L'Enfant D'Eau 1.30 Ayr ... 5/1, 6.6, £31.24 ;D Chief Dan George 2.05 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £31.24 ;D Ten Shun 2.15 Lingfield ... 7/2, 3.27, £52.07 ;D Ace Club 2.30 Southwell ... 8/1, 10.5, £20.82 ;D Blue Hills 3.00 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £31.24 ;D Mambazo 3.20 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.2, £31.24 ;D Comments:

Profits today: £257.20 (that's £270.74 less 5% commission); no losses. And the bank has reached a new high of £5464.40 ...* 8) New staking accordingly for tomorrow, as shown below ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £257.20 Tomorrow's bank: £5464.40 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.94% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.12% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 82.15% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D January strike-rate: 18 wins from 19 selections = 94.74% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 793 wins from 951 selections = 83.39%

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You've come thru a tough month, now I hope this month turns out to be brill for you. #472

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I am not into laying yet but one can only be impressed with your consistant profits. GO GIRL!!! __________________ Betting always has hot and cold spells. Make sure you profit when it is hot. #473

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The new year has started very well, long may it continue. #474

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Ooooh, what amazing comments; many thanks indeed ... hope this won't be the day a wheel suddenly comes off (I'm just very nervous today because there are some real shorties and you know how they give me palpitations and stuff ...) ... >

So ... The Hundred-And-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 4th January ... Super Frank 12.10 Lingfield ... Sky At Night 12.40 Lingfield ... Hobbs Hill 1.00 Wincanton ... Tribal Dancer 2.30 Wincanton ... Chief Exec 3.10 Lingfield ... Lamps Return 3.30 Wincanton ... Bendarshaan 3.40 Lingfield ... Boston Strong Boy 4.00 Wincanton ...

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Results Update: Day 106 ... Super Frank 12.10 Lingfield ... 7/2, 3.8, £32.78 :'( Sky At Night 12.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Hobbs Hill 1.00 Wincanton ... 10/11, 2.25, £54.64 ;D Tribal Dancer 2.30 Wincanton ... 15/2, 9.0, £21.85 ;D Chief Exec 3.10 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.0, £21.85 :'( Lamps Return 3.30 Wincanton ... non-runner : Bendarshaan 3.40 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.0, £32.78 ;D Boston Strong Boy 4.00 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.2, £21.85 ;D

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Comments: Ooops ... :-[ :-[ :-[ A bit of a reminder today that it often proceeds as 4 steps forward and 3 steps back, or something like that ... :P Profits today: £155.70 (that's £163.90 less 5% commission); losses came to £266.59, leaving a net deficit on the day of £110.89 ... > So the bank has slipped back to £5353.51 ... :-X Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... :-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£110.89) Tomorrow's bank: £5353.51 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.03%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.95% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 78.45% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.43% :P January strike-rate: 23 wins from 26 selections = 88.46% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 798 wins from 958 selections = 83.3%

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Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Seventhe Day ... Thursday 5th January ... Magical Legend 1.00 Hereford ... Sands Crooner 1.10 Wolverhampton ...

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Woody Valentine 1.55 Wetherby ... Kensington 2.15 Wolverhampton ... Danelor 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Florida Dream 3.05 Wetherby ... Green Tango 3.15 Hereford ... Reveur 3.25 Wolverhampton ... Good luck!

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Hi Maria Iwas just wondering why you had REVEUR in you lay selection as well as your system selects ALL THE BEST GREG #478

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Iwas just wondering why you had REVEUR in you lay selection as well as your system selects

Ah ... that! Yes indeed ... funny you should ask ... They're all "system selections", and the honest (though perhaps uninspired) answer is simply that my laying system picked Reveur and my handicaps selections system also picked Reveur ... ??? It actually drifted a bit (which surprised me, but what do I know?), and I managed to lay it at 2.85 and back it at 4.25. I literally do both bets, using two separate accounts. It sounds weird, I know, but it makes the bookkeeping much more straightforward for blondes ... and occasionally (as today) it works out ok for me ... sorry it's an unhelpful answer but it's just what I do "for simplicity" ... : So ... Results Update, Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Seventhe Day ... Magical Legend 1.00 Hereford ... 5/1, 6.8, £32.78 ;D Sands Crooner 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.4, £32.78 :'( Woody Valentine 1.55 Wetherby ... 11/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Kensington 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.2, £32.78 :'( Danelor 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.85, £32.78 ;D Florida Dream 3.05 Wetherby ... 15/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Green Tango 3.15 Hereford ... 7/2, 4.0, £32.78 :'( Reveur 3.25 Wolverhampton ... 10/3, 2.85 £54.64 ;D/ :'( Comments: Damn shorties ... :-[ :-[ :-[ Profits today: £124.56 (that's £131.120 less 5% commission); losses came to £415.77, leaving a net deficit on the day of £291.21 - that's laying ... :-X

So the bank has slipped back to £5062.30 ...* Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...* :-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£291.21) Tomorrow's bank: £5062.30 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.44%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.76%) :'( Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 68.74% Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 8 selections = 50%* :P :P :P :P :P January strike-rate: 27 wins from 34 selections = 79.31% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 802 wins from 966 selections = 83.02%

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The Hundred-And-Eighth Day ... Friday 6th January ... Plenty today, including damn shorties to give me palpitations ... :P George Stubbs 12.40 Musselburgh ... Arctic Lagoon 1.10 Musselburgh ... Montecorvino 1.10 Towcester ... The Weaver 1.40 Musselburgh ... Never Awol 2.20 Towcester ... Optimistic Alfie 2.50 Towcester ... Wiltshire 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Perle De Puce 3.20 Towcester ... Psychiatrist 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Grand Design 4.30 Wolverhampton ...

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Correction of typo Montecorvino of course runs in the 13.50 at Towcester, not the "1.10" as shown in the selections-post immediately above ... sorry! :-[ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Results Update: day 108 ... George Stubbs 12.40 Musselburgh ... 9/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Arctic Lagoon 1.10 Musselburgh ... 11/4, 4.3, £32.78 ;D Montecorvino 1.10 Towcester ... 4/1, 5.4, £32.78 :'( The Weaver 1.40 Musselburgh ... 4/1, 5.4, £32.78 ;D Never Awol 2.20 Towcester ... 8/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Optimistic Alfie 2.50 Towcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Wiltshire 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D Perle De Puce 3.20 Towcester ... 4/5, 1.85, £54.64 ;D Psychiatrist 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 5/2, 3.4, £54.64 ;D Grand Design 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D Comments: Sorry about Montecirvino, but as they say "there's always one" ... :-\ At least the shorties behaved, today, and layable prices were generally pretty good ... Profits today: £301.03 (that's £316.88 less 5% commission); loss of £144.23, leaving a net profit on the day of £156.80 ... So the bank has partially recovered to £5219.10 and the month is back in profit, and let's hope it stays that way ... :-X Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £156.80 Tomorrow's bank: £5219.10 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.1% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.31% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 73.97% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% January strike-rate: 36 wins from 44 selections = 81.82% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 811 wins from 976 selections = 83.09%

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Saturday 9th January ... sorry, had great difficulty getting online here today. Very little left now, so I'll omit today's results and make the next update Monday's (no UK racing on Sunday) ...* :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #483

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The Hunred-And-Ninth Day (I am getting old, here ...) ... Monday 9th January ... Stocking Island 1.20 Taunton ... Notaproblem 1.40 Newcastle ... Direct Flight 1.50 Taunton ... Noble Edge 2.00 Wolverhampton ... Simply Mystic 2.40 Newcastle ... Storm Centre 3.00 Wolverhampton ... York Cliff 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Bobs Buster 3.40 Newcastle ... Risk Free 4.00 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #484

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Results Update: day 109 ... Stocking Island 1.20 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.8, £32.78 ;D Notaproblem 1.40 Newcastle ... 12/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D Direct Flight 1.50 Taunton ... 5/1, 5.3, £32.78 ;D Noble Edge 2.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 6.8, £32.78 ;D Simply Mystic 2.40 Newcastle ... 10/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Storm Centre 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 7.2, £32.78 ;D York Cliff 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.2, £32.78 ;D Bobs Buster 3.40 Newcastle ... 5/1, 6.2, £32.78 :'( Risk Free 4.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.8, £32.78 ;D

Comments: Profits today: £238.74 (that's £251.31 less 5% commission); loss of £170.45, leaving a net profit on the day of £68.29 ... So the bank has picked back up to £5287.39 ...

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Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £68.29 Tomorrow's bank: £5287.39 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.31% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.69% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 76.25% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.88% January strike-rate: 44 wins from 53 selections = 83.02% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 819 wins from 985 selections = 83.15%

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The Hundred-And-Tenth Day ... Tuesday 10th January ...

Not so much today ... Yenaled 12.50 Southwell ... Vulcan Lane 1.40 Sedgefield ... Bang And Blame 2.10 Sedgefield ... Nepal 2.30 Leicester ... Monte Vista 3.00 Leicester ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Results Update: day 110 ... Yenaled 12.50 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.8, £21.85 ;D Vulcan Lane 1.40 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D Bang And Blame 2.10 Sedgefield ... 6/1, 7.9, £32.78 :'( Nepal 2.30 Leicester ... 7/1, 9.0, £21.85 ;D Monte Vista 3.00 Leicester ... 2/1, 3.4, £54.64 ;D Comments: Oops ... Profits today: £114.18 (that's £120.19 less 5% commission); loss of £196.68, leaving a net loss on the day of £82.50 ... So the bank has silpped back to £5204.89 ... Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£82.50) Tomorrow's bank: £5204.89 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.56%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.03% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 73.5% Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 5 selections = 80% January strike-rate: 48 wins from 58 selections = 82.76% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 823 wins from 990 selections = 83.13%

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Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Eleventhe Dayye ... Wednesday 11th January ... Hors La Loi III 1.20 Newbury ... Ms Rainbow Runner 1.45 Lingfield ... Admiral Peary 2.25 Newbury ... Magic Of Sydney 2.25 Newbury ... Desert Fury 3.10 Southwell ... Heathyards Pride ... 3.20 Lingfield ... Lady Suesanne 3.40 Southwell ... Forest Emerald 4.05 Newbury ... Good luck! 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #488

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Results Update: day 111 ... Hors La Loi III 1.20 Newbury ... 11/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D Ms Rainbow Runner 1.45 Lingfield ... 4/1, 6.0, £32.78 ;D Admiral Peary 2.25 Newbury ... 6/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Magic Of Sydney 2.25 Newbury ... 9/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D Desert Fury 3.10 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Heathyards Pride ... 3.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0 £21.85 ;D Lady Suesanne 3.40 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.6, £32.78 ;D Forest Emerald 4.05 Newbury ... ?, 6.6, £32.78 ;D

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Comments: Can't complain today ... Profits today: £217.97 (that's £229.45 less 5% commission); and no losses ... 8) So the bank has recovered to £5422.86 ... Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £217.97 Tomorrow's bank: £5422.86 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.19% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.31% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 80.76% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D January strike-rate: 56 wins from 66 selections = 84.85% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 831 wins from 998 selections = 83.27%

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The Hundred-And-Twelfth Day ... Thursday 12th January ...

Drunken Disorderly 2.15 Limerick ... World Vision 2.20 Catterick ... Prince Of Slane 2.20 Catterick ... Palua 2.30 Ludlow ...

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Master Rex 2.30 Ludlow ... Red Man 2.50 Catterick ... Miss Shakira 3.00 Ludlow ... Galero 3.20 Catterick ... Lasting Love 3.40 Southwell ... Good luck!

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Results Update: day 112 ... Drunken Disorderly 2.15 Limerick ... 4/1, 4.7, £32.78 ;D World Vision 2.20 Catterick ... 13/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Prince Of Slane 2.20 Catterick ... 4/1, 5.4, £32.78 :'( Palua 2.30 Ludlow ... 7/1, 8.4, £21.85 > > Master Rex 2.30 Ludlow ... 5/1, 7.0, £32.78 ;D Red Man 2.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Miss Shakira 3.00 Ludlow ... 6/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Galero 3.20 Catterick ... 9/2, 5.6, £32.78 ;D

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Lasting Love 3.40 Southwell ... non-runner : Comments: A bad day: clearly from the chart movements we were victims of a bit of a coup with Palua. To be honest, I didn't lay it myself when it shortened SO much; but I've included it as a loser in the results at the price at which I nearly laid it, and might have done, of course ... Profits today: £186.84 (that's £196.68 less 5% commission); but losses of £305.92 bring the day's score to -£119.08 ... :'( So the bank has slipped back to £5303.78 ... "par for the course", really, no disaster

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... :-X Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£119.08) Tomorrow's bank: £5303.78 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.19%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.97% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 76.79% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.77% January strike-rate: 63 wins from 75 selections = 84% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 838 wins from 1007 selections = 83.22%

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It's day 113 and it's Friday 13th and there's plenty to lay ... Ask The Umpire 1.00 Huntingdon ... Moonshot 1.20 Wolverhampton ... Spinaround 1.30 Huntingdon ... Umbrella Man 1.30 Huntingdon ... My Final Bid 2.10 Kelso ... Upswing 2.30 Huntingdon ... Dead Mans Dante 2.40 Kelso ... Kindlelight Debut 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Kimono Royal 3.30 Huntingdon ... Kyno 3.30 Huntingdon ... Moment of Madness 3.40 Kelso ...

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Results Update: day 113 ... Ask The Umpire 1.00 Huntingdon ... 5/1, 7.2, £32.78 ;D Moonshot 1.20 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.0, £32.78 ;D Spinaround 1.30 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D Umbrella Man 1.30 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 9.2, £21.85 ;D My Final Bid 2.10 Kelso ... 9/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D Upswing 2.30 Huntingdon ... 7/2, 4.8, £32.78 ;D Dead Mans Dante 2.40 Kelso ... 9/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D Kindlelight Debut 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.8, £32.78 :'( Kimono Royal 3.30 Huntingdon ... non-runner : Kyno 3.30 Huntingdon ... 5/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Moment of Madness 3.40 Kelso ... 4/1, 4.8, £32.78 ;D Comments: Profits today: £238.73 (that's £251.30 less 5% commission); loss of £157.35; net profit of £81.38 on the day ... The bank is now £5385.61 ... Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £81.38 Tomorrow's bank: £5385.61 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.53% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.58%

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 79.5% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% January strike-rate: 72 wins from 85 selections = 84.7% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 847 wins from 1017 selections = 83.28%

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still doing very well ;D divna __________________ divna #496

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Going well Maria

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The Hundred-And-Fourteenth Day .... Saturday 14th January ...

Dodgy going, difficult meetings ... : Gospel Song 1.35 Wetherby ... Balmoral Queen 1.35 Wetherby ... Lord Olympia 2.10 Wetherby ... Alfridini 2.25 Lingfield ... Mikado 2.30 Warwick ... Haut de Gamme 2.40 Wetherby ... Hail The Chief 2.55 Lingfield ... General Duroc 3.15 Carlisle ... Rebel Rhythm 3.30 Warwick ... Backbeat 3.45 Carlisle ... Claymore 3.45 Carlisle ...

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Results Update: day 114 ... Gospel Song 1.35 Wetherby ... 10/1, 11.0, £21.85* ;D

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Balmoral Queen 1.35 Wetherby ... 8/1, 7.4, £32.78* ;D Lord Olympia 2.10 Wetherby ... 5/1, 4.8, £32.78* ;D Alfridini 2.25 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.6, £32.78* :'( Mikado 2.30 Warwick ... 9/1!!, 6.8, £32.78* ;D Haut de Gamme 2.40 Wetherby ... 7/2, 4.8, £32.78* :'( Hail The Chief 2.55 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £21.85* ;D General Duroc 3.15 Carlisle ... 3/1, 5.0, £32.78* ;D Rebel Rhythm 3.30 Warwick ... 11/4, 3.4, £54.64* ;D Backbeat 3.45 Carlisle ... 15/2, 9.4, £21.78* ;D Claymore 3.45 Carlisle ... 7/2, 4.6, £32.78* ;D Comments: Very irritatingly, I was quite close to excluding Haut de Gamme on the grounds that it was a handicap system selection today; a poor decision made there, as it turns out, I'm afraid ...* :'( Profits today: £280.27 (that's £295.02 less 5% commission); but losses of £275.35 brought the day's net profits down to the princely sum of £4.92 ...* > Still ... to match my previous year's history, I've got until the end of February to get to £6000 here, so we are actually well on schedule ...* 8) Slow business, though, isn't it? ...* :P The bank is now £5390.53 ... Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £4.92 Tomorrow's bank: £5390.53 Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.09% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.67% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 79.68% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.81% January strike-rate: 81 wins from 96 selections = 84.37% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 856 wins from 1028 selections = 83.27% :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #499

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Slowly Slowly Catchy Monkey ;D Well done __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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Still ... to match my previous year's history, I've got until the end of February to get to £6000 here, so we are actually well on schedule ... certain you will make it ;D, but i much prefer to find winners than losers more satisfaction CAN'T GET NO SATISFACTION great record 8) divna __________________ divna

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Thank you, guys ... :-*

So ... the Hundred-And-Fifteenth Day ... Monday 16th January ... 9 today; and I'm already matched at my regular 7.4 (just inside the second cut-off) on a few of these, so hoping for a good day ... :-\

Equilibria 1.00 Plumpton ... Cashel Mean 1.10 Wolverhampton ... True Mariner 1.20 Fakenham ... Confluence 1.30 Plumpton ... Glinner of Light 1.30 Plumpton ... Rookery Lad 2.20 Fakenham ... Fantastic Arts 2.20 Fakenham ... Jackson 2.50 Fakenham ... Regal Bandit 3.20 Fakenham ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #502

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Results Update: day 115 ... Equilibria 1.00 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Cashel Mean 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.2, £32.78 :'( True Mariner 1.20 Fakenham ... 13/2, 5.8, £32.78 ;D Confluence 1.30 Plumpton ... 10/3, 5.0, £32.78 ;D Glinner of Light 1.30 Plumpton ... 8/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Rookery Lad 2.20 Fakenham ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Fantastic Arts 2.20 Fakenham ... 9/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D Jackson 2.50 Fakenham ... 9/4, 3.4, £54.64 ;D Regal Bandit 3.20 Fakenham ... 11/2, 6.6, £32.78 ;D

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Comments: A shame about the dreaded Cashel Mead, but then, as someone said: "There's always one"! ... > Profits today: £269.89 (that's £284.10 less 5% commission); loss of £137 brings the day's net profits to £132.21 ... I can hardly believe it myself after all this messing about, but the bank has now reached a new high of £5522.74 ... ;D And that means new stakes for tomorrow, of course: £55.22, £33.13 and £22.09 ... 8) Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £132.21 Tomorrow's bank: £5522.74 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £55.22, £33.13 and £22.09 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.45% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.26% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 84.09% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89% January strike-rate: 89 wins from 105 selections = 84.76% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 864 wins from 1037 selections = 83.31% ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #503

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The Hundred-And-Sixteenth Day ... Tuesday 16th January ... Blue Hills 1.20 Southwell ... Henry Tun 1.50 Southwell ... Borzoi Maestro 1.50 Southwell ... Lord of Adventure 2.00 Folkestone ...

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Our Girl Kaz 2.10 Fontwell ... Victory Roll 2.30 Folkestone ... Concert Pianist 2.40 Fontwell ... Honey's Gift 3.10 Fontwell ... Colline de Fleurs 4.00 Folkestone ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #504

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Results Update: day 116 ... Blue Hills 1.20 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.5, £33.13* ;D Henry Tun 1.50 Southwell ... 4/1, 5.1, £33.13* :'( Borzoi Maestro 1.50 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £33.13* ;D Lord of Adventure 2.00 Folkestone ... 9/1, 10.5, £22.09* ;D Our Girl Kaz 2.10 Fontwell ... 12/1, 10.0 £22.09* ;D Victory Roll 2.30 Folkestone ... 7/2, 5.6, £33.13* ;D Concert Pianist 2.40 Fontwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £33.13* ;D Honey's Gift 3.10 Fontwell ... 7/1, 6.8, £33.13* ;D Colline de Fleurs 4.00 Folkestone ... 5/2, 3.8, £33.13* :'(

Comments: An unfortunate losing day, but not painful ...* :-\ Profits today: £199.34 (that's £209.83 less 5% commission); but losses of £228.60 brings the day's net result to - £29.26* The bank is now £5494.48 ... Stakes unchanged tomorrow ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£29.26) Tomorrow's bank: £5494.48

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New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £55.22, £33.13 and £22.09 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.5%%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.71% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 83.15% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.78% January strike-rate: 96 wins from 114 selections = 84.21% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 871 wins from 1046 selections = 83.27%

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Wednesday 18th January ... not such a great day for betting, probably, with Uttoxeter waterlogged and abandoned, Newcastle "heavy in places" and not much I can lay at Lingfield today anyway ... so I'm giving it a miss for the day, otherwise known as a "sneaky day off" ... back tomorrow! __________________ maria santonix My blog #506

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The Hundred-And-Seventeenth Day ... Thursday 19th January ... Windyx 1.00 Taunton ... Massif Central 1.30 Taunton ... Money Line 2.00 Taunton ... Roschal 2.50 Ludlow ... Jaffa 2.50 Ludlow ... On The Trail 3.10 Southwell ... Kimono Royal 3.20 Ludlow ... Delena 3.30 Taunton ... Jacks Delight 4.10 Southwell ... Sir Jimmy Shand 4.20 Ludlow ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #507

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Results Update: day 117 ... Windyx 1.00 Taunton ... 10/1, 9.8, £22.09 ;D Massif Central 1.30 Taunton ... 7/2, 6.0, £33.13 ;D Money Line 2.00 Taunton ... 6/1, 7.4, £33.13 ;D Roschal 2.50 Ludlow ... 11/2, 6.6, £33.13 ;D Jaffa 2.50 Ludlow ... 12/1, 11.0, £22.09 ;D On The Trail 3.10 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £33.13 ;D Kimono Royal 3.20 Ludlow ... 8/1, 6.6, £33.13 ;D Delena 3.30 Taunton ... 15/2, 7.4, £33.13 ;D Jacks Delight 4.10 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.0, £33.13 ;D Sir Jimmy Shand 4.20 Ludlow ... evens, 2.2, £55.22 :'( Comments: Profits today: £262.28 (that's £276.09 less 5% commission); loss of £66.27 brings the day's net profit down to £196.01 ...

The bank has now made a new high of £5690.49 ...

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Time to increase the stakes pro rata, of course. Tomorrow's will be £56.90, £34.14 and £22.76 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £196.01 Tomorrow's bank: £5690.49 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £56.90, £34.14 and £22.76 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.57% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.55% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 89.68% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% January strike-rate: 105 wins from 124 selections = 84.68% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 880 wins from 1056 selections = 83.33% ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #508

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Great stuff maria keep up the good work. __________________ Chief Of Cheltenham 2007 AKA The Shadow #509

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:-*

The Hundred-And-Eighteenth Day ... Firday 20th January ... A lot to lay today ... :-\ :-\ :-\ Reem Two 12.50 Musselburgh ... Risk Free 1.10 Wolverhampton ... Gangsters R Us 1.50 Musselburgh ... Eton 2.15 Wolverhampton ... York Cliff 2.15 Wolverhampton ... Native Title 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Masafi 3.00 Musselburgh ... Datito 3.10 Chepstow ... Moi Aussi 3.25 Wolverhampton ... Moorland Monarch 3.45 Chepstow ... Joli Classical 4.15 Chepstow ... Wrenlane 4.55 Wolverhampton ... Good luck!

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Results Update: day 118 ... Reem Two 12.50 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 5.8, £34.14* :'( Risk Free 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 20/1!!!, 11.0 £22.76* ;D Gangsters R Us 1.50 Musselburgh ... 13/2, 7.4, £3414* ;D Eton 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 7.4, £34.14* ;D York Cliff 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £34.14* ;D

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Native Title 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.3, £34.14* ;D Masafi 3.00 Musselburgh ... 4/11, 1.36, £56.90* :'( Datito 3.10 Chepstow ... 11/2, 7.0, £34.14* ;D Moi Aussi 3.25 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 3.4, £56.90* ;D Moorland Monarch 3.45 Chepstow ... 7/2, 5.4, £34.14* ;D Joli Classical 4.15 Chepstow ... 13/2, 6.2, £34.14* ;D Wrenlane 4.55 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.2, £34.14 ;D Comments: The day got off to a very bad start with Reem Two, but then fortunately improved ...* Profits today: £335.14 (that's £352.78 less 5% commission); losses of £184.36 bring the day's net profit down to £150.78 ...

The bank has now made a new high of £5841.27 ...* Time to increase the stakes pro rata, of course. Tomorrow's will be £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £150.78 Tomorrow's bank: £5841.27 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.65% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.51% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 94.71% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33% January strike-rate: 115 wins from 136 selections = 84.56% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 890 wins from 1068 selections = 83.33% Extra points for noticing that today's strike-rate is identical to the overall strike-rate since the thread started! Does that make it a "typical day"?* ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

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Well done again maria you seem to be having some success on this thread,brilliant stuff. __________________ Chief Of Cheltenham 2007 AKA The Shadow #512

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Totally agree divna. __________________ Chief Of Cheltenham 2007 AKA The Shadow #514

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Ooh, thank you!

The Hundred-And-Nineteenth Day ... Saturday 21st January ... Nervous today with it being a Saturday, and some heavy going about, but we'll see ... :-\ Sheriff Roscoe 1.50 Lingfield ... Candarli 2.00 Wolverhampton ... Nas Na Riogh 2.05 Wincanton ... Slim Pickings 2.15 Naas ... Speed Dial Harry 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Moon Emperor 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Almost Broke 3.10 Wincanton ... Zaffran Lady 3.15 Naas ... Be My Better Half 3.25 Lingfield ... Baron Romeo 3.50 Haydock ... Trafalgar Night 3.55 Lingfield ... Merdiff 4.35 Wolverhampton ... Tuscarora 4.35 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #515

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unlucky maria today check your pms #516

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Originally Posted by joemugg unlucky maria today Yes, very bad day for the system: well, they crop up occasionally. Today was a combination of Saturday Syndrome + dodgy going + plain bad luck + we were overdue for a really bad day, I think ... :'( Quote:

Originally Posted by joemugg check your pms

Can't blame that one, I'm afraid ... I don't suffer from PMS ...

So ... I can't put it off any longer ... results update for day 119 ... Sheriff Roscoe 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D Candarli 2.00 Wolverhampton ... 12/1!!, 7.4, £35.04 ;D Nas Na Riogh 2.05 Wincanton ... 11/2, 6.6, £35.04 ;D Slim Pickings 2.15 Naas ... 9/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D Speed Dial Harry 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.4, £35.04 ;D Moon Emperor 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.2, £23.36 :'( Almost Broke 3.10 Wincanton ... 6/1, 7.8, £23.36 :'( Zaffran Lady 3.15 Naas ... 13/2, 5.8, £35.04 ;D Be My Better Half 3.25 Lingfield ... 4/1, 5.9, £35.04 ;D Baron Romeo 3.50 Haydock ... 9/2, 7.0, £35.04 ;D Trafalgar Night 3.55 Lingfield ... 7/2, 5.2, £35.04 ;D Merdiff 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.4, £35.04 ;D Tuscarora 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 8.0, £23.36 :'(

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Comments: A terrible day, of course; and I think I was lucky - as it turned out - by taking some early prices: it could even have been slightly worse ... :-[ Profits today: £321.78 (that's £338.72 less 5% commission); but losses of £490.56 brought in a net loss on the day of £168.78 ... > So the bank has now slipped back to £5672.49, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... no disaster here, remembering that we have until February 28th to reach the next target of £6000.00 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£168.78) Tomorrow's bank: £5672.49 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.89%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.2% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 89.08%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 13 selections = 76.92% January strike-rate: 125 wins from 149 selections = 83.89% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 900 wins from 1081 selections = 83.26% :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #517

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Keep going amy i'm sure you'll get to 6000 the way your going

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bad days are part & parcel of the game we all have them especially JM only kidding JM cant find a winner myself for love[amy]or money i'm sure it won't be long before you bounce back divna __________________ divna #519

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Monday 23rd January ... I don't fancy it today: two dodgy jumps meetings on heavy going and bandit racing on the all-weather ... it hasn't really been a great January for racing, has it? ... :P

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Tuesday 24th January ... Again, dodgy going and bandit racing ... and very little I can lay with confidence. I'm going to sit it out and go shopping and just hope for better opportunities later in the week ... :P __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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The Hundred-And-Twentieth Day ... Wednesday 25th January ... One meeting abandoned today, but a little more to go at than yesterday, anyway ... :\ I'm laying these ... 8) Barton Sands 12.50 Lingfield ... Gunther Macbride 2.30 Catterick ... Mr Rigsby 2.50 Lingfield ... On Tilt 4.00 Catterick ... Lake Chini 4.20 Lingfield ...

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Results Update: day 120 ... Barton Sands 12.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0, £23.36 ;D Gunther Macbride 2.30 Catterick ... 9/2, 6.2, £35.04 ;D Mr Rigsby 2.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D On Tilt 4.00 Catterick ... 8/1, 9.0, £23.36 ;D Lake Chini 4.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D Comments: Profits today: £133.15 (that's £140.16 less 5% commission); no losses ... So the bank has now picked back up to £5805.64 ... and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £133.15 Tomorrow's bank: £5805.64 New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.35% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.81% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 93.52% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 5 selections = 100% January strike-rate: 130 wins from 154 selections = 84.42% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 905 wins from 1086 selections = 83.33% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #523

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Superb tipping, well done maria.

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no losses today maria brilliant stuff well done. __________________ Chief Of Cheltenham 2007 AKA The Shadow #525

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;D Good one __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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Nice to see this thread still going strong, Well Done Maria __________________ Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke #527

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WELL DONE Maria

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Results Update: day 121 ... Crush On You 12.30 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.6, £35.04 ;D Kylkenny 1.00 Southwell ... 12/1, 10.5, £23.36 ;D Good Potential 1.20 Warwick ... 6/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D Special Conquest 1.50 Warwick ... 12/1, 9.2, £23.36 ;D Soba Jones 2.00 Southwell ... 15/2, 11.0, £23.36 ;D Sunset Light 3.20 Warwick ... 8/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D Nice Try 3.50 Warwick ... 4/1, 4.6, £35.04 :'( Comments: It was all going so well until Nice Try at the end, the consolations being that it was relatively a shortie, that it was so easy to lay at better than SP, and that it didn't take away all the day's profits. Oh well, Nice Try ... :-\ Profits today: £155.34 (that's £163.52 less 5% commission); loss of £126.15 on Nice Try brings it down to +£29.19 ... So the bank has picked back up to £5834.85, and the stakes are unchanged tomorrow ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £29.19 Tomorrow's bank: £5834.85 Tomorrow's stakes (unchanged): £58.41, £35.04 and £23.36 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.5% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.38% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 94.49% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71%

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January strike-rate: 136 wins from 161 selections = 84.47% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 911 wins from 1093 selections = 83.35%

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Well done maria __________________ Chief Of Cheltenham 2007 AKA The Shadow Oooh, thank you! ;D :-*

So ... the Hundred-And-Twenty-Oneth Day ... Thursday 26th January (never let it be said that I don't know what of the week it is) ... I'm laying these ... Crush On You 12.30 Southwell ... Kylkenny 1.00 Southwell ... Good Potential 1.20 Warwick ... Special Conquest 1.50 Warwick ... Soba Jones 2.00 Southwell ... Sunset Light 3.20 Warwick ... Nice Try 3.50 Warwick ...

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Twoth Day ... Friday 27th January ... Quite a few today ... 8) Before Dark 1.30 Fontwell ... Sir Sandrovitch 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Blue Maeve 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Guru 2.00 Fontwell ... Distant Country 2.25 Wolverhampton ... Heron's Ghyll 2.35 Fontwell ... He's a Rocket 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Walcot Lad 3.50 Fakenham ... Little Jimbob 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Russian Mist 5.00 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: day 122 ... Before Dark 1.30 Fontwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £35.04 ;D Sir Sandrovitch 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.8, £35.04 ;D Blue Maeve 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.7, £35.04 ;D Guru 2.00 Fontwell ... 8/1, 6.8, £35.04 ;D

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Distant Country 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.2, £35.04 :'( nasty shorties ... > Heron's Ghyll 2.35 Fontwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £35.04 ;D He's a Rocket 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.8, £35.04 ;D Walcot Lad 3.50 Fakenham ... 9/1, 9.6, £23.36 ;D Little Jimbob 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D Russian Mist 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D Comments: Profits today: £277.40 (that's £292.00 less 5% commission); but a loss of £112.13 on the shortie brings the day's net profit down to £165.27 ... And the original bank has now doubled, reaching a new high of £6000.12 ...

;D 8)

This doesn't necessarily mean that it will stay above the £6000, obviously; and February doesn't even have to be a profitable month at all, for all I know ... : Still, this £6,000 was the original target figure for February 28th, so I'm not exactly complaining ... :-X New stakes for the next day, of course: £60, £36 and £24 ... nice round numbers for once! Next target = £8,500 for May 31st 2006 ... :-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: £165.27 Tomorrow's bank: £6000.12 The next day's stakes: £60, £36 and £24 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.83% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.62% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 100% 8) Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% January strike-rate: 145 wins from 171 selections = 84.8% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 920 wins from 1103 selections = 83.41% Sneaky day off tomorrow ... next update on Sunday ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #533

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Congratulations on 'doubling up' Maria.

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the original bank has now doubled hope you are putting some of this up for the wedding of the year divna __________________ divna #535

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Third Day ... Sunday 29th January ... A shame that Hereford's off ... the dodgy going there would have given us two or

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three easy lays, I think ... :-\ So, this is what's left today ... Supreme Salutation 12.50 Southwell ... Kingsgate Prince 1.30 Lingfield ... Red Finesse 2.30 Lingfield ... Arctic Desert 3.00 Lingfield ... Eastborough 3.30 Lingfield ... Moayed 4.00 Lingfield ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #536

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Results Update: day 123 ... Supreme Salutation 12.50 Southwell ... 11/1, 11.0 £24 ;D Kingsgate Prince 1.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.0, £36 :'( Red Finesse 2.30 Lingfield ... 10/1!!, 7.4, £36 ;D Arctic Desert 3.00 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £24 :'( Eastborough 3.30 Lingfield ... 12/1, 10.5, £24 ;D Moayed 4.00 Lingfield ... 4/1, 4.9, £36 ;D Comments: One of those rare but disastrous days when I laid a winner at my cut-off of 11.0, and of course another one has to win on the same day ... Profits today: £114 (that's £120

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 31st January ... We still seem to have 8 today, even with Taunton abandoned and Southwell being bandit racing ... Weet Yer Turn 2.20 Southwell ... Alzama 2.20 Southwell ... Dangerousdanmagru 3.00 Folkestone ... Gee Aker Malayo 3.30 Folkestone ... Regal River 3.30 Folkestone ... Adecco 4.00 Folkestone ... Desert Lover 4.20 Southwell ... Victory Roll 4.00 Folkestone ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #542

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Results Update: day 125 ... Weet Yer Turn 2.20 Southwell ... 9/2. 7.4, £36 ;D Alzama 2.20 Southwell ... 14/1, 11.0 £24 ;D Dangerousdanmagru 3.00 Folkestone ... 4/1, 5.6, £36 ;D Gee Aker Malayo 3.30 Folkestone ... 9/1, 8.8, £24 ;D Regal River 3.30 Folkestone ... 5/1, 6.6, £36 ;D Adecco 4.00 Folkestone ... 9/1, 9.4, £24 :'( Desert Lover 4.20 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.8, £24 :'( Victory Roll 4.00 Folkestone ... 5/1, 4.9, £36 ;D

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Comments: Please note that yesterday's results update, on the previous page, has been edited to correct a mistake in the totals (I missed out the profit on one of the lays when I first added them up).

The less said about today, the better, I suppose ... > Profits today: £182.40 (that's £192 less 5% commission); but two nasty losses totalling £374.40 bring in a net loss on the day of £192 ... :'( The bank is now £5546.52, and that's the final figure for the month ... :-\ Tomorrow's stakes unchanged, of course ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12 Profit/(loss) today: (£192) Tomorrow's bank: £5546.52 Tomorrow's stakes: £60, £36 and £24 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.35%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.73% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 84.88%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75% January strike-rate: 167 wins from 199 selections = 83.92% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 942 wins from 1133 selections = 83.14% I'll be back later with a quick "round-up of the month" but I can tell you now that the main problem was the cold ... for me, I mean: not for the horses ... :P :-\ __________________ maria santonix My blog #543

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Ye Round-Uppe of Ye Olde Monthe Well, not that much to say, really ... :-\ A very disappointing last day of the month saw a significant drop back from our high point of £6,000, but still we made 8.73% on the month, with a strike-rate just a fraction under 84%, which is about right ... Two other bijou snipettes of information: - there'll be selections tomorrow (Wednesday 1st), but after that I'm going home for a couple of days and have an exam to take there on Friday, so I won't be online and posting there as usual; the next laying day after tomorrow won't be until Sunday 5th February ... : - February and March should be "normal" in terms of numbers of selections, April will be much "quieter" and then from May 1st until the end of August, when my year's posting comes to an end, there'll be quite a few more selections per month than we've seen so far ... Janis, if you're around and still doing every bet with me, now's a very good time to post your results, please and thank you ... (and if you want to volunteer your services to them as an External Examiner to mark my paper that will also be appreciated!) ... More tomorrow ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #544

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well done maria on the overall profit for the month great stuff. __________________ Chief Of Cheltenham 2007 AKA The Shadow

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 1st February ... Unrestricted 1.30 Lingfield ... Thebestisyettocome 1.30 Lingfield ... Creme Brulee 3.00 Lingfield ... Flying Spur 3.15 Leicester ... Mazzareme 3.15 Leicester ... Kindlelight Debut 3.30 Lingfield ... Parish Oak 3.45 Leicester ... Hand Chime 4.00 Lingfield ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #546

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Results Update: day 126 ... Unrestricted 1.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.9, £36 ;D Thebestisyettocome 1.30 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £36 ;D Creme Brulee 3.00 Lingfield ... 3/1, 5.0, £36 ;D Flying Spur 3.15 Leicester ... 7/1, 6.4, £36 ;D Mazzareme 3.15 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £24 ;D Kindlelight Debut 3.30 Lingfield ... 15/2, 7.4, £36 ;D Parish Oak 3.45 Leicester ... 14/1!!, 11.0, £24 ;D Hand Chime 4.00 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £24 ;D

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Comments: A bit better today ... Profits today: £239.40 (that's £252 less 5% commission); no losses ... 8) The bank is now £5785.92, and the next day's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £239.40 The next day's bank: £5785.92 The next day's stakes: £60, £36 and £24 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.32% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.32% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 92.86%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% February strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 950 wins from 1141 selections = 83.26% I'm going away tonight for a few days. Next laying selections on Sunday 5th February. ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #547

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well done ;D divna __________________ divna #548

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Seventh Day ... Sunday 5th February ... Had to cross a few off at Chepstow, of course, but I'm laying these ... Jupiters Fancy 1.40 Musselburgh ... Mystery Pips 1.50 Southwell ... Mount Royals 2.25 Southwell ... Bamzooki 3.00 Southwell ... Saif Sareea 3.25 Musselburgh ... Renvyle 3.55 Musselburgh ...

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Results Update: day 127 ... Jupiters Fancy 1.40 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 7.4, £36 ;D Mystery Pips 1.50 Southwell ... 11/1, 10.5, £24 ;D Mount Royals 2.25 Southwell ... 10/3, 5.1, £36 ;D Bamzooki 3.00 Southwell ... 11/4, 4.8, £36 ;D Saif Sareea 3.25 Musselburgh ... 15/2, 9.0 £24 ;D Renvyle 3.55 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 10.5, £24 ;D Comments:

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Profits today: £171.00 (that's £180.00 less 5% commission); no losses ...* 8) The bank is now £5956.92, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £171.00 Tomorrow's bank: £5956.92 Tomorrow's stakes: £60, £36 and £24 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.95% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.4% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 98.56%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%* February strike-rate: 14 wins from 14 selections = 100% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 956 wins from 1147 selections = 83.34% 8) __________________ maria santonix My blog #550

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good day indeed

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Welcome - I don't actually know that one, though I think I've been called something that rhymes with it ... ??? :-* So ... the Hundred-And-Thirtieth-Day ... Wednesday 8th February ...

Not so many today ...

But still some dangerous shorties ... Permanent Way 1.20 Lingfield ... Dream On Maggie 1.30 Ludlow ... Lewis Island 1.55 Lingfield ... Trouble Maker 2.30 Lingfield ... Iron Man 2.55 Carlisle ... Winsley 3.15 Ludlow ... Star Trooper 3.30 Carlisle ... Diane's Choice 3.40 Lingfield ... Good luck!

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Another nice touch, Maria! Well done. Wolf #563

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Thank you, Wolf! ...

:-*

Results Update: day 130 ... Permanent Way 1.20 Lingfield ... 9/1, 11.0 £24.30 ;D Dream On Maggie 1.30 Ludlow ... non-runner ... Lewis Island 1.55 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.4, £36.46 ;D Trouble Maker 2.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.0, £36.46 ;D Iron Man 2.55 Carlisle ... 7/2, 5.2, £36.46 ;D Winsley 3.15 Ludlow ... 7/2, 4.2, £36.46 ;D Star Trooper 3.30 Carlisle ... 8/1, 9.8, £24.30 ;D Diane's Choice 3.40 Lingfield ... 12/1, 10.5, £24.30 ;D Comments: Profits today: £207.80 (that's £218.74 less 5% commission); no losses ... So the bank has reached a new high of £6146.77; and tomorrow's stakes are increased accordingly, to £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58 ...* Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £207.80 Tomorrow's bank: £6146.77 Tomorrow's backers' stakes: £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.57% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 10.82% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 104.87% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% ;D February strike-rate: 41 wins from 46 selections = 89.13% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 983 wins from 1179 selections = 83.37% 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #564

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-First Day ... Thursday 9th February ... Not so many today, with Kelso cancelled ... but still some dangerous shorties ... Stoneacre Lad 1.30 Southwell ... Le Royal 1.40 Huntingdon ... Spectested 2.30 Southwell ... Alderburn 2.40 Huntingdon ... Grand Bay 3.40 Huntingdon ... Apollo Lady 4.40 Huntingdon ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #565

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Results Update: day 131 ... Stoneacre Lad 1.30 Southwell ... 10/3, 4.0, £36.88 :'( Le Royal 1.40 Huntingdon ... 9/1, 10.5 £24.58 ;D Spectested 2.30 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.4, £36.88 ;D Alderburn 2.40 Huntingdon ... 9/4, 3.7, £36.88 :'( Grand Bay 3.40 Huntingdon ... 6/1, 6.6, £36.88 ;D Apollo Lady 4.40 Huntingdon ... 9/4, 3.25, £61.46 :'(

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Comments: Damned abandoned meetings and small numbers of selections, and damned shorties at the same time ...

I knew it was a bit high-risk today, but it didn't have to go quite this badly! ... > Losses today came to a very nasty £347.01, and all I can deduct from them is takings of £93.42 (that's £98.34 less 5% commission), leaving a loss of £253.59 on the day ... :'( So the bank has now slipped back to £5893.18; and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (253.59) Tomorrow's bank: £5893.18 Tomorrow's backers' stakes: £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58 Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.12%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.25% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 96.44% Today's strike-rate: 3 wins from 6 selections = 50% :P :P :P :P :P February strike-rate: 44 wins from 52 selections = 84.61% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 986 wins from 1185 selections = 83.2%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Twoth Day ... Friday 10th February ... Oh dear ... more abandoned meetings, dodgy weather and going, and horrendous

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shorties ... I'm laying these, anyway ... Farnborough 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Brooklyns Gold 2.30 Bangor ... Arctic Cherry 2.30 Bangor ... Dolce Maria 2.50 Wolverhampton ... :-[ Precious Bane 3.05 Bangor ... Finzi 3.05 Bangor ... Berkamstead 3.25 Wolverhampton ... Dark Society 4.40 Bangor ... Pretty Sister 5.30 ... Wolverhampton ... I'm actually also pretty tempted by the crazy price of Denman, now that Black Jack Ketchum's withdrawn, but I can't claim it as a system selection and I won't be including it in the results when it wins (or loses) the race, either ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #567

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Results Update: day 132 ... Farnborough 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 3.85, £36.88 ;D Brooklyns Gold 2.30 Bangor ... 11/2, 7.0, £36.88 ;D Arctic Cherry 2.30 Bangor ... 9/2, 5.8, £36.88 ;D Dolce Maria 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 10.5, £24.58 ;D Precious Bane 3.05 Bangor ... 6/1, 7.4, £36.88 ;D Finzi 3.05 Bangor ... 6/1, 6.0, £36.88 ;D Berkhamsted 3.25 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.9, £36.88 :'( Dark Society 4.40 Bangor ... 9/1, 11.0, £24.58 ;D Pretty Sister 5.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 7.4, £36.88 ;D Comments: Typically, it was just the shortie that made a dent ... >

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Takings today £256.91 (that's £270.44 after removal of 5% commission), but the loss of £106.96 on the nasty shortie brings the day's net profits down to £149.96 ... :-\ The bank now stands at £6043.14 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £149.96 Tomorrow's bank: £6043.14 Tomorrow's backers' stakes: £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.54% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.95% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 101.44% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89% February strike-rate: 52 wins from 61 selections = 85.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 986 wins from 1185 selections = 83.21%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Third Day ... Saturday 11th February ... Quite a lot today, even for a busy Saturday ... including nasty evil dangerous shorties ... >

:P

Hoping to show a decent profit today, out of laying this lot, and have laid to many early prices to make it easy - don't want to have to be online all day! ... :-\ Mountain Pass 1.30 Lingfield ... Sendinpost 1.30 Lingfield ... Montgermont 1.35 Newbury ... Hidden Bounty 2.05 Newbury ...

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Little Jimbob 2.30 Lingfield ... Rosie Redman 2.50 Ayr ... Al Eile 3.10 Newbury ... Jurado Express 3.20 Ayr ... El Tiger 3.35 Lingfield ... Armaturk 3.45 Newbury ... Classic Role 4.15 Newbury ... Kirkside Pleasure 4.55 Ayr ... Miss Lopez 7.00 Wolverhampton ... Samuel Charles 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Merdiff 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Granary Girl 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Lucius Verrus 8.30 Wolverhampton ... My Pension 8.30 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ;D 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #569

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surprised you got Mountain Pass Maria drop to 5 is a major plus jockey is a significant booking 2nd fav is drawn wider and is a stone down on ratings.. #570 11-02-2006, 11:05 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by EC surprised you got Mountain Pass Maria drop to 5 is a major plus jockey is a significant booking 2nd fav is drawn wider and is a stone down on ratings..

NOW he tells me! ... > Seems you were right, of course ... that was my only winner today ... :P ;D So ... Results Update: day 133 ... I've taken out the Newbury ones: there's no point in writing out "non-runner (meeting abandoned)" five times, and obviously they don't count as selections for the statistics at the end, anyway ... :-X

Mountain Pass 1.30 Lingfield ... 7/4, 2.8, £61.46 :'( (I blame EC, myself ... Sendinpost 1.30 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £24.58 ;D Little Jimbob 2.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.4, £36.88 ;D Rosie Redman 2.50 Ayr ... 4/1, 5.8, £36.88 ;D Jurado Express 3.20 Ayr ... 6/1, 6.6, £36.88 ;D El Tiger 3.35 Lingfield ... 7/1, 5.6, £36.88 ;D Kirkside Pleasure 4.55 Ayr ... 8/1, 10.0, £24.58 ;D Miss Lopez 7.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 5.3, £36.88 ;D Samuel Charles 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.4, £36.88 ;D Merdiff 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/1, 11.0, £24.58 ;D Granary Girl 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.0, £36.88 ;D Lucius Verrus 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £36.88 ;D My Pension 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.0, £36.88 ;D

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Comments: Tempted to repeat yesterday's comment ("Typically, it was just the shortie that made a dent") but the truth is that I included a duff selection that I should have left out ... sorry ... :-[ Takings today £385.37 (that's £405.66 after removal of 5% commission), but the loss of £110.63 on the nasty shortie brings the day's net profits down to £274.74 ...* So the bank has now reached a new high of £6317.88 and tomorrow's stakes are therefore changed: now £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 ... 8) Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £274.74 Tomorrow's bank: £6317.88 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.55%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.91% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 110.6% ;D Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31% February strike-rate: 64 wins from 74 selections = 86.49% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 998 wins from 1198 selections = 83.3% Barring accidents, tomorrow will be the day that we have our thousandth winner since starting posting nearly 6 months ago ... __________________ maria santonix

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we make a good team :P

good luck tomorrow, I have to go hospital visiting tomorrow

..so won't be around.

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i hate picking losers[although you would'nt guess it] but to WIN picking losers GOD whats hapopening to the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! divna __________________ divna

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It's moving on, Divna ... you have to move on with it ... ... :P

"Be there or be square"

So ... The Hundred-And-Thirty-Fourth Day ... Sunday 12th February ... Lots for a Sunday ... 8) Shamayoun 1.40 Hereford ... Don And Gerry 2.10 Hereford ... Dead-Eyed Dick 2.30 Exeter ... Gunther McBride 2.30 Exeter ... Siberian Highness 3.00 Exeter ... Follow The Flow 3.10 Hereford ... Blakeshall Quest 3.20 Southwell ... Wild Power 3.40 Hereford ... Iffy 4.00 Exeter ... Victory Roll 4.10 Hereford ... Chelsea Bridge 4.30 Exeter ... It's The Limit 4.40 Hereford ... Supreme Salutation 4.50 Southwell ... Commander Kev 5.00 Exeter ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #574

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Results Update: day 134 ... Shamayoun 1.40 Hereford ... 11/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Don And Gerry 2.10 Hereford ... non-runner Dead-Eyed Dick 2.30 Exeter ... 5/1, 5.6, £37.90 ;D this one was our thousandth winner! 8) Gunther McBride 2.30 Exeter ... 5/1, 6.2 £37.90 :'( Siberian Highness 3.00 Exeter ... 6/1, 6.2, £37.90 ;D Follow The Flow 3.10 Hereford ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Blakeshall Quest 3.20 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.4, £25.27 :'( Wild Power 3.40 Hereford ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Iffy 4.00 Exeter ... 10/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Victory Roll 4.10 Hereford ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Chelsea Bridge 4.30 Exeter ... 5/1, 6.6, £37.90 ;D It's The Limit 4.40 Hereford ... non-runner Supreme Salutation 4.50 Southwell ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Commander Kev 5.00 Exeter ... 9/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Comments: Very surprised to be losing £72 out of that lot, to be honest ... and feeling pretty disappointed by Christian Bendix's inability to see off Blakeshall Quest in the 3.20, but I suppose that's bandit racing for you ... :P :P :P A couple of non-runners don't help, either, just when you need to take a couple of extra £37.90's to even it all up ... : Takings today £312.95 (that's £328.48 after removal of 5% commission), but the losses totalling £384.08 bring in a net loss of £72.03 today ...

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So the bank slips back to £6245.85 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£72.03) Tomorrow's bank: £6245.85 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.14% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.61% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 108.2% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33% February strike-rate: 74 wins from 86 selections = 86.04% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1008 wins from 1210 selections = 83.3%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Fifth Day ... Monday 13th February ... Plenty again, today ... I'm laying these: Beneking 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Milk And Sultana 2.10 Lingfield ... Piquet 2.40 Lingfield ... Special Conquest 3.00 Plumpton ... Alright Now Mlad 3.30 Plumpton ... Calusa Charlie 3.30 Plumpton ... Kindlelight Debut 3.50 Wolverhampton ... Blaeberry 4.00 Plumpton ... Fulvio 4.10 Lingfield ... Idole First 4.30 Plumpton ... Dexileos 4.40 Lingfield ... Majehar 4.40 Lingfield ... Tod Sloan 4.40 Lingfield ... Musiotal 4.40 Lingfield ... Cockspur 5.00 Plumpton ... Jalouhar 5.20 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck, and try not to worry too much about the 4.40 at Lingfield ...

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Results Update: day 135 ... Beneking 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.2, £37.90 *;D Milk And Sultana 2.10 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.5, £25.27 *;D Piquet 2.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 *;D Special Conquest 3.00 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.4, £37.90 *;D Alright Now Mlad 3.30 Plumpton ... 8/1, 8.6, £25.27 *:'( Calusa Charlie 3.30 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £37.90 *;D Kindlelight Debut 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.8, £37.90 *;D Blaeberry 4.00 Plumpton ... 4/1, 5.3, £37.90 *;D Fulvio 4.10 Lingfield ... 4/1, 5.3, £37.90 *:'( Idole First 4.30 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.8, £25.27 *:'( Dexileos 4.40 Lingfield ... 9/1, 10.5, £25.27 *;D Majehar 4.40 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.4, £37.90 *;D Tod Sloan 4.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 *;D Musiotal 4.40 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.8, £37.90 *;D Cockspur 5.00 Plumpton ... 13/2, 8.0 £25.27 *:'( Jalouhar 5.20 Wolverhampton ... 10/3, 5.3, £37.90 *;D Comments: Disaster City ... *>

:'( :-[ :P

Takings today £408.06 (that's £429.54 after removal of 5% commission), but the nasty losses totalling £654.48 bring in a net loss of £246.42 today ...*

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So the bank slips back yet again, frustratingly, to £5999.43 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... *: It's just annoying and calls for lots of patience: but 28th February was our original target for £6000, to duplicate the previous year's results ... *:-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£246.42) Tomorrow's bank: £5999.43 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.94%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.16% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 99.98% Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75% *:P February strike-rate: 86 wins from 102 selections = 84.31% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1020 wins from 1226 selections = 83.2%

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still doing well maria picking losers or is it winners either way winners losers losers winners top stuff divna __________________ divna #578

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Thank you, Divna ... hope I won't offend Amy too much if I wish you Happy Valentine's Day? ... :-* The Hundred-And-Thirty-Sixth Day ... Tuesday 14th February ... Soba Jones 1.30 Southwell ... First Look 1.40 Newcastle ... Lord OAll Seasons 2.10 Newcastle ... Palm Island 2.20 Folkestone ... Four Amigos 3.00 Southwell ... Glenfarclas Boy 3.10 Newcastle ...

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Spear Thistle 3.20 Folkestone ... Red Contact 3.30 Southwell ... Tallow Bay 3.50 Folkestone ... Hawkit 4.30 Southwell ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #579

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Originally Posted by maria Thank you, Divna ... hope I won't offend Amy too much if I wish you Happy Valentine's Day? ...* :-* No probs as long as he remembers to send me a card and red roses etc, and if he dosn,t well there is always JM, Irie and Wolf the reserves* Good Luck Today Maria

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Results Update: day 136 ... Soba Jones 1.30 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.6, £37.90 :'( First Look 1.40 Newcastle ... 7/2, 5.3, £37.90 ;D Lord OAll Seasons 2.10 Newcastle ... 7/1, 9.0, 25.27 ;D Palm Island 2.20 Folkestone ... 7/1, 9.5, £25.27 ;D Four Amigos 3.00 Southwell ... 16/1!!, 9.6, £25.27 ;D Glenfarclas Boy 3.10 Newcastle ... 15/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Spear Thistle 3.20 Folkestone ... 11/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Red Contact 3.30 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Tallow Bay 3.50 Folkestone ... 8/1, 8.8, £25.27 :'( Hawkit 4.30 Southwell ... 13/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Comments: Hmmm ... another bad day ... :'( Takings today £252.04 (that's £265.31 after deduction of 5% commission), but the two nasty losses (one of them totally unexpected) add up to £371.45, and that brings in a net loss of £119.41 today ...*

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So the bank slips back yet again, frustratingly, to £5880.02 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... *: Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£119.41) Tomorrow's bank: £5880.02 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.99%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.01% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 96% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 19 selections = 80% February strike-rate: 94 wins from 112 selections = 83.93% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1028 wins from 1236 selections = 83.17%

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Thank you, Divna ... hope I won't offend Amy too much if I wish you Happy Valentine's Day? ... same to you maria :-* but i have got to admit i'm very worried about amy divna

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And ... for my next disaster ... : The Hundred-And-Thirty-Seventh Day ... Wednesday 15th February ... I'm laying these ... Secam 1.50 Lingfield ... Gee Aker Malayo 2.10 Leicester ... Exit Smiling 2.20 Lingfield ... Starbuck 2.30 Musselburgh ... Risington 2.40 Leicester ... Ballet Pacifica 2.50 Lingfield ... Ganymede 3.20 Lingfield ... Moor Spirit 3.40 Leicester ... Heartache 4.10 Leicester ... No Kidding 4.30 Musselburgh ... River Dante 4.40 Leicester ...

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Results Update: day 137 ... Secam 1.50 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.0, £37.90 ;D Gee Aker Malayo 2.10 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Exit Smiling 2.20 Lingfield ... 5/1, 5.9, £37.90 ;D Starbuck 2.30 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 7/4, £37.90 ;D Risington 2.40 Leicester ... 11/2, 7.0, £37.90 ;D Ballet Pacifica 2.50 Lingfield ... 2/1, 2.52, £63.17 :'( > Ganymede 3.20 Lingfield ... 11/1, 9.6, £25.27 ;D Moor Spirit 3.40 Leicester ... 4/1, 5.5, £37.90 ;D Heartache 4.10 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D No Kidding 4.30 Musselburgh ... 9/1, 10.0, £25.27 ;D River Dante 4.40 Leicester ... 8/1, 10.5, £25.27 ;D

:P :-[

Comments: Takings today £300.05 (that's £315.85 after deduction of 5% commission), but the loss of £96.02 on Ballet Pacifica brings that down to a net profit of £204.03 today ... So the bank has picked back up £6084.05 but tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ... *: Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £204.03 Tomorrow's bank: £6084.05 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.47% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.69% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 102.8%

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Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91% February strike-rate: 104 wins from 123 selections = 84.55% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1038 wins from 1247 selections = 83.24%

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Nice profit Maria, Well Done

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16-02-2006, 11:18 AM Join Date: Sep 2003

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Pleased to see that you are still laying very well, Maria! :-*

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Eighth Day ... Thursday 16th February ...

Plenty to lay today ... Flaming Weapon 2.30 Huntingdon ... Blue Business 2.40 Taunton ... Times Review 2.50 Southwell ... Henry Tun 2.50 Southwell ... Original Thought 3.30 Huntingdon ... Doctor Dennis 3.50 Southwell ... Shifty Night 3.50 Southwell ... Glacial Delight 4.00 Huntingdon ... Misty Future 4.10 Taunton ... Matthew Muroto 4.10 Taunton ... Treasulier 4.10 Taunton ... Prairie Law 4.30 Huntingdon ... Sarin 4.40 Taunton ... Penny's Crown 5.10 Taunton ... I am currently unmatched at 11.0 on a couple of these, but that's par for the course and they're almost always taken at some point ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #587

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Maria, Just read all of your thread absolutely brilliant keep up the good work All the best Dickie Daly #588

16-02-2006, 12:53 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by DickieDaly Maria, Just read all of your thread Ooh, thank you very much, Dickie. You must be a man with patience and discipline there is so much of it to read now! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #589

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Results Update: day 138 ... Flaming Weapon 2.30 Huntingdon ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D

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Blue Business 2.40 Taunton ... 17/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Times Review 2.50 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.2, £25.27 ;D Henry Tun 2.50 Southwell ... 4/1, 4.5, £37.90 ;D Original Thought 3.30 Huntingdon ... 12/1, 10.0, £25.27 ;D Doctor Dennis 3.50 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Shifty Night 3.50 Southwell ... 9/1, 10.0, £25.27 ;D Glacial Delight 4.00 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Misty Future 4.10 Taunton ... 8/1, 9.6, £25.27 ;D Matthew Muroto 4.10 Taunton ... 6/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D Treasulier 4.10 Taunton ... 15/2, 9.5, £25.27 ;D Prairie Law 4.30 Huntingdon ... 10/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Sarin 4.40 Taunton ... 7/2, 5.9, £37.90 ;D Penny's Crown 5.10 Taunton ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D Comments: A good day for the system, today ... Profits today £408.08 (that's £429.56 after deduction of 5% commission); no losses ... So the bank has finally reached a new high, at £6492.12, and that means tomorrow's stakes are increased a fraction, of course, to £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96 ... 8) Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £408.08 Tomorrow's bank: £6492.12 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96 Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.7% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.04% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 116.4% Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 14 selections = 100% ;D February strike-rate: 118 wins from 137 selections = 86.13% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1052 wins from 1261 selections = 83.42% 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #590

16-02-2006, 08:11 PM Join Date: Sep 2003

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Very nice Maria and well deserved!

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OMG I wonder how many people you made cry today.. #592

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losers win again ;D divna __________________ divna #593

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Relentless nibbling,your like having a mouse in the house ;D #594

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not as patient as you with this system top top draw

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17-02-2006, 12:07 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Oooh, thank you ...

The Hundred-And-Thirty-Ninth Day ... Friday 17th February ...

Not nearly as many as yesterday, I'm afraid ... :

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Tufty Hopper 1.50 Fakenham ... Prettilini 2.10 Wolverhampton ... Grezie 2.40 Wolverhampton ... Dearson 2.50 Fakenham ... Cordilla 3.30 Market Rasen ... Tom Fruit 3.30 Market Rasen ... Mossman Gorge 3.40 Wolverhampton ... Honey's Gift 3.50 Fakenham ... Rosita Bay 4.50 Fakenham ... Bedtime Boys 5.00 Market Rasen ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #596

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Results Update: day 139 ... Tufty Hopper 1.50 Fakenham ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.96 ;D Prettilini 2.10 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 3.8, £38.95 :'( Grezie 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 7.4, £38.95 ;D Dearson 2.50 Fakenham ... 9/2, 7.4, £38.95 ;D Cordilla 3.30 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 5.1, £38.95 ;D Tom Fruit 3.30 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 5.3, £38.95 ;D Mossman Gorge 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £38.95 ;D Honey's Gift 3.50 Fakenham ... 9/2, 7.4, £38.95 ;D Rosita Bay 4.50 Fakenham ... 13/2, 7.4, £38.95 ;D Bedtime Boys 5.00 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.0 £25.96 :'( Comments: Not so great, today ... could have been worse, to be honest ... at least I got away with taking 10 early prices without it actually mattering, I think ... :P Takings today £283.68 (that's £298.61 after deduction of 5% commission); losses £316.74; net loss of £33.06 on the day ... So the bank slips back £33.06, to £6459.06; tomorrow's stakes unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (33.06) Tomorrow's bank: £6459.06 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.51%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.45% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 115.3% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 10 selections = 80% February strike-rate: 126 wins from 147 selections = 85.71% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1060 wins from 1271 selections = 83.4% :-X __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #597

17-02-2006, 06:16 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Hi maria, I am new this site but been watching with great interst from outside and must congratulate you on your acheivement, have been laying myself with small amount of success but feel your staking system is the answer and I wonder if you have any objection to me using it(sure there's nothing to stop me) but prefer to ask and it doesn't cost anything to do that. All the best anyway and will watch intently, saw the last lay of yours today a real nasty one. #598

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I save the slagging for Divna ... i'm hurt really hurt me a slagger NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( divna __________________ divna #599

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Originally Posted by divna me a slagger NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never said you were, D ... I said I was!!

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Originally Posted by caraman * Hi maria, * * * * * * I am new this site but been watching with great interst from outside and must congratulate you on your acheivement, have been laying myself with small amount of success but feel your staking system is the answer and I wonder if you have any objection to me using it(sure there's nothing to stop me) but prefer to ask and it doesn't cost anything to do that. * All the best anyway and will watch intently, saw the last lay of yours today a real nasty one. Of course - you're welcome. And welcome to the Forum and thanks for registering, etc. I wish you well with the staking system and deny all responsibility for any accidents ... ;D Yes; today's last one was nasty, and a great surprise ... would have been a good day without that, but that's laying ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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The Hundred-And-Fortieth Day ... Saturday 18th February ... Shall I mention the time of year, day of the week, going, small number of selections and high-risk shorties, or does all that stuff go without saying ... ??? I'm laying these ... Crozan 12.55 Lingfield ... Rowlands Dream 2.30 Lingfield ... Casablanca Minx 2.35 Wolverhampton ... All In The Stars 3.55 Wincanton ... Trust Fund 4.05 Uttoxeter ... River Ripples 4.10 Lingfield ... Glad Big 4.15 Lingfield ...

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... and that's it for today ... :

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Results Update: day 140 ... Crozan 12.55 Lingfield ... 7/2, 5.5, £38.95 ;D Rowlands Dream 2.30 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.4, £38.95 ;D Casablanca Minx 2.35 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.0, £38.95 :'( All In The Stars 3.55 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.4, £25.96 :'( Trust Fund 4.05 Uttoxeter ... 9/2, 5.8, £38.95 ;D River Ripples 4.10 Lingfield ... 2/1, 3.4, £64.92 ;D Glad Big 4.15 Lingfield ... 11/4, 5.3, £38.95 ;D Comments: A bad day - as simple as that ... > Takings today £209.68 (that's £220.72 after deduction of 5% commission); losses £373.86; net loss of £164.18 on the day ... :'( So the bank slips back again to £6294.88; tomorrow's stakes unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£164.18) Tomorrow's bank: £6294.88 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.54%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.49% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 109.83%

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Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.43% :P February strike-rate: 131 wins from 154 selections = 85.06% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1065 wins from 1278 selections = 83.33% :-X __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #603

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The Hundred-And-Forty-First Day ... Sunday 19th February ... Caged Tiger 2.00 Fontwell ... Twotiming Gent 2.20 Towcester ... Steppes Of Gold 2.30 Fontwell ... Watermouse 2.50 Towcester ... Charlies Future 3.20 Towcester ... Runaway Bishop 3.20 Towcester ... Nefertari 4.50 Towcester ... Just Supposin 5.00 Fontwell ... Chorizo 5.00 Fontwell ...

Good/bad luck! ... :P __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #604

19-02-2006, 03:40 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Maria, congratulations your system is holding up well. Do you have a full results history available on spreadsheet etc?. #605

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Hi Drew,

Welcome to EBA and thanks for honouring this thread with your first post ... Quote:

Originally Posted by DREW Do you have a full results history available on spreadsheet etc?. I'm afraid not; sorry ... I know you'd expect someone my age to be totally computerised, and you will laugh, perhaps, but I don't really use spreadsheets at all. I've got all the software and I can open one and look at it and even fiddle with it a little bit when somebody sends me one, but for my own work I use those big oldfashioned Eastern European accounts books with creamy paper and leather covers (honestly - I've got a supply of them at home!) ... and that's why I never have a very quick answer if anyone asks questions like "What's the overall strike-rate on selections priced under 4.0?" and all this sort of thing ... :-[ I can tell you second-hand from "research" that other people have done on all my results that I've made more with this staking system than either fixed-stake or fixedliability would have done with the same selections and results; but as you'll see from the thread's first couple of posts, that's no surprise to me ...

Results Update: day 141 ... Caged Tiger 2.00 Fontwell ... 9/2, 5.2, £38.95 ;D Twotiming Gent 2.20 Towcester ... 8/1, 8.6, £25.96 ;D Steppes Of Gold 2.30 Fontwell ... non-runner Watermouse 2.50 Towcester ... 9/1, 10.0, £25.96 ;D Charlies Future 3.20 Towcester ... 8/1, 9.8, £25.96 ;D Runaway Bishop 3.20 Towcester ... 15/2, 7.0, £38.95 ;D

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Nefertari 4.50 Towcester ... 8/1, 8.2, £25.96 ;D Just Supposin 5.00 Fontwell ... non-runner Chorizo 5.00 Fontwell ... 4/1, 3.4, £64.92 ;D Comments: A couple of non-runners but no accidents, anyway ... Takings today £234.32 (that's £246.66 after deduction of 5% commission) ... So the bank has reached a new high of £6529.20 and that means new stakes for tomorrow, of course, which are £65.90, £39.17 and £26.11 ... 8) Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £234.32 Tomorrow's bank: £6529.20 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £65.90, £39.17 and £26.11 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.72% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.71% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 117.64% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100%* ;D February strike-rate: 138 wins from 161 selections = 85.71% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1072 wins from 1285 selections = 83.42%

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19-02-2006, 07:57 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Well done Maria, great to get back in profit after a bad day, I started using your system and just in profit(just on paper at moment) but fairly confident, didn't like today but listened to somebody about Gatsby and laid it, I never learn.

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Nice one again, Maria! Wolf #608

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Day 142 ... Monday 20th February ... Had a dreadful day's laying, today ... Star Welcome 1.15 Lingfield ... 15/2, 7.2, £39.17 ;D Hello Roberto 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 8.0, £26.11 :'( Obe Bold 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 11.0, £26.11 ;D Christmas Player 2.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.5, £26.11 ;D King of Music 3.20 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0 £26.11 ;D Joe Jo Star 3.35 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 8.2, £26.11 :'( Dagola 4.10 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.8, £39.17 ;D Comments: Takings today were £148.83 (that's £156.67 after deduction of 5% commission) but the two losses came to £370.77, producing a net loss of £221.94 on the day ... So the bank has slipped back to £6307.26 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£221.94) Tomorrow's bank: £6307.26 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £65.90, £39.17 and £26.11

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Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.4%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.72% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 110.24% Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.42 February strike-rate: 143 wins from 168 selections = 85.11% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1077 wins from 1292 selections = 83.4%

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21-02-2006, 09:58 AM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Hi Maria, Saw you corrected for me on another site, and saying it was alright to use your system. Just to say use another name(to avoid confusion) so you had given me permission on her before I used it. My thanks anyway and good luck today hope you cancel out yesterdays loss, I thought it was a tricky day and thats why I had higher prices than I like. Would have posted lays on here but thought that was taking liberties, I trolled thru all your lays and really think its superb laying wish I had cash to start. caraman(alias corky) #610

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No problem Caraman (Corky!) ... I wondered if it was you ...

You're welcome anyway, and I wish you good luck with it ... I don't like days with only about 7 or 8 to lay, myself, because there's always the risk that one winner will take most of the day's profit away or that two winners out of seven will produce a loss. Given my own system selections (though obviously this may well not apply to others), to me it's a high-turnover, low-profit business; I have my little "edge" and I want to exert it as often as possible, so the more selections I can come up with, the safer I am ... 8)

As people say "There's safety in numbers" ... Mind you, they also say that blonde is a lifestyle choice and not just a hair colour ... ??? __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Third Day ... Tuesday 21st February ... Plenty to lay today ... favourites, fifth-favourites, shorties, stinkers, jumpers, crawlers ... just call it "variety day" (everything but "winners", I hope!) ... House Martin 1.40 Lingfield ... Neptune Joly 1.50 Sedgefield ... Petitjean 2.00 Exeter ... Granary Girl 2.10 Lingfield ... Fast Forward 2.30 Exeter ... Rebellious Spirit 2.40 Lingfield ... Just Down The Road 2.40 Lingfield ... Bellaney Jewel 2.50 Sedgefield ... Precious Mystery 3.00 Exeter ... Darjeeling 3.00 Exeter ... Patternmaker 3.10 Lingfield ...

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Basilea Star 3.30 Exeter ... Nolife 3.50 Sedgefield ... Absolutelythebest 4.00 Exeter ... Young Collier 4.30 Exeter ... Ganache 5.00 Exeter ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #612

21-02-2006, 05:15 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Hi Maria, a good day for you with just that one loss. Need a bit of advice, when laying ,I am posting the actual price shown on Betfair (ie 4.5 ) but my liability is worked out on 3.5 so take it that is what should be my liability, want your input on that before I work out profit/loss on my lays. I had one bad one to day thought De Blanc would win. Thank you if you can reply. #613

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Originally Posted by caraman Need a bit of advice, when laying ,I am posting the actual price shown on Betfair (ie 4.5 )

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I see what you mean ... well, it's obviously up to you, but I think that if you're quoting a price you see as "available to lay" at Betfair rather than one you've actually taken (for instance, if you're paper-trading rather than physically trading), you need to be slightly careful about how much is actually available at that price ... You see what I mean? It's sort of the same thing you see with backing, when people are so quick to say "Oh, it was available at 9.0 on Betfair", to which I always want to know "But how much was available at that price?" because sometimes there's £5 available at 9.0 and then a lot more available at 7.0 or something, you know ... ??? All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want to be giving "4.5" as my laying price if I hadn't actually taken a backer's £40 stake money (or whatever it was) at that price ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman but my liability is worked out* on 3.5 so take it that is what should be my liability Yes, absolutely. If you're laying at 4.5, then your liability (the amount you're risking, the amount that physically leaves your account when you put the bet on, your own "stake") is 3.5 multiplied by the number of pounds of backer's stake you're aiming to win ... Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman I had one bad one to day thought De Blanc would win. So did I, and I stupidly had a bit of a win bet on it, even though the low price made me feel a bit ill ... :'(

So ... Results Update: day 143 ... House Martin 1.40 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0 £26.11 ;D Neptune Joly 1.50 Sedgefield ... 6/1, 7.4, £39.17 ;D Petitjean 2.00 Exeter ... 10/3, 5.2, £39.17 ;D Granary Girl 2.10 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.2, £39.17 ;D Fast Forward 2.30 Exeter ... 5/6, 2.7, £65.90 ;D Rebellious Spirit 2.40 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £39.17 ;D Just Down The Road 2.40 Lingfield ... 14/1!!, 11.0, £26.11 ;D Bellaney Jewel 2.50 Sedgefield ... 4/1, 6.4, £39.17 ;D Precious Mystery 3.00 Exeter ... 4/1, 5.6, £39.17 ;D Darjeeling 3.00 Exeter ... 5/1, 6.4, £39.17 ;D Patternmaker 3.10 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.6, £39.17 :'( > Basilea Star 3.30 Exeter ... 4/1, 4.8, £39.17 ;D Nolife 3.50 Sedgefield ... non-runner Absolutelythebest 4.00 Exeter ... 9/1, 8.6, £26.11 ;D Young Collier 4.30 Exeter ... 11/2, 5.5, £39.17 ;D Ganache 5.00 Exeter ... 4/1, 7.4, £39.17 ;D

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strongly fancied Kitchen Sink was already a non-runner in that race before I posted, and I winced a lot when I realised, but you get what you deserve for being in a hurry, and obviously I must include it in the results (though I traded out of it, myself, I admit) ... :-[ Anyway - better today: takings were £509.13 (that's £535.93 after deduction of 5% commission), and the loss of £180.18 on Patternmaker still leaves a net profit of £328.95 on the day ... So the bank has actually reached a new high at £6636.21, and that means new, marginally increased stakes for tomorrow, which are £66.36, £39.81 and £26.54 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £328.95 Tomorrow's bank: £6636.21 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £66.36, £39.81 and £26.54 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.22% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.65% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 121.21% Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 15 selections = 93.33% February strike-rate: 157 wins from 183 selections = 85.79% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1091 wins from 1307 selections = 83.47% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #614

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Hi Maria Brilliant thread ...been watching from afar since day one , what a shrewd investor you are . Hope you don't mind me asking but do you have any specific formula or criteria for selecting your lays .

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Thank Maria, I can see that clearly but difficult if not actually staking for real, have to accept that price and hope would get accepted, hope the swings and roundabouts would even out. Not very up on laying so is there anything you can teach me,I know its a bit cheek asking you, but how do I go about it when just paper trading, I know I could probably watch the betting as it happens but have to be here all the time, how long does it take you to get all your lays put on, are you taking various prices or what, can't see how you do it without being their all the time (tongue in cheek there must be a lot of housewives that would manage it) but honestly not sure how you manage. You must have had a good day today will wait in anticipation. #616

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To Lay Traded I have downloaded this just now from Betfair maybe you can explain to me how I use this info to get my lay bets on, lets 3.80 £2 £155 say £27 on at 3.85, I'm trying to learn so don't be to harsh on me as just a absolute beginner but have to learn somewhere, 3.85 £2 £112 will take help from anyone, but easy to post on this thread as Maria was kindly giving me some advice, but willingly 3.90 £99 move post to new thread on the board so not to upset Maria's 3.95 £28 I don't know if any of this makes sense but just bear with me. 4.00 £11 4.10 £10 £152 4.20 £6 £58 4.30 £66 £4 4.40 £13

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4.90 £68 5.50 £92 13.50 £3 #617

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Originally Posted by caraman Not very up on laying so is there anything you can teach me Don't know ... and you probably wouldn't ask if you knew my age! ... :-\ Still, I can tell you the main things I've found ... Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman how do I go about it when just paper trading, I know I could probably watch the betting as it happens but have to be here all the time This is the thing, it can be really time-consuming, but the extent to which that matters depends on the nature of your selections. With my selections, overall it doesn't cost anything to put the whole lot on early and forget about them. But that's probably not true for most people. Part of the reason for this is that a lot of mine drift, and taking early prices means I'm actually laying them at better than SP. This is a subject about which people often have very strong opinions, and the ones with the strongest opinions (as so often) are the ones with the least real knowledge and directly useful experience. But in my opinion, however much all the people one encounters online say the opposite, it's extremely difficult to make profits from laying shorties, and much, much easier to do well by laying longer-priced ones, and longerpriced ones tend (overall) to be drifters, whereas shorties tend (overall) to get even shorter. So, the rule of thumb in cases of doubt is that you should err on the side of taking early prices on the long ones, and leave the short ones as late as possible. With exceptions! ;D The single most important thing, really, is to be a decent judge of when they're going to get longer and when they're going to get shorter, and it's a really big and difficult subject; and there's quite a lot of commentary on it, in incidental chat, much nearer the start of the thread ...

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I can recommend a book. It's a paperback, widely available, and it's called "Lay, Back and Think Of Winning" by Nigel Paul ... 8) But it's not quite as easy as he says in the book(!) ... I can also recommend that you practice with the little charts on the exchange that show you how the price has been moving until you think you can get a sense of which way it might develop (this is how I was taught, because those things are like the trading charts my father used to use at work before he became a self-employed professional layer) ... and there are also various trainers whose horses are more likely to lengthen/shorten than others ... sorry, I realise I must be making it all sound terribly complicated! ... > Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman how long does it take you to get all your lays put on It's quicker than you'd think. Unless there are specific shorties I'm deliberately waiting for, I "go round once", seeing what the prices look like, and just leave lots of positions unmatched. (I do this at lunchtime - not in the morning - there isn't enough money on the system in the morning for the prices to mean anything much). And by the time I've done that once, I go round again and see what's been "taken" - and it's always more than I expect ... But the key to it is unmatched positions. I'm always making an offer, not accepting what someone else wants to offer. Almost anything you leave unmatched inside the gap (between the backing and laying prices), if there is a gap, will end up getting taken ... Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman are you taking various prices or what

No, various people are taking my prices! To be honest, I tend because of the "pricing structure" I'm using here to leave a lot unmatched just inside my cut-offs. So I leave things unmatched at 7.4 or at 11.0 (or very occasionally at 3.4, but that would be one I'd be leaving until later, probably). If you look through my results posts, you'll see that I often get matched at 7.4, and that's not coincidence at all, of course: it's because that's where I "go in unmatched" (sometimes more in hope than in expectation, to be honest) and "await developments with interest" ... Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman You must have had a good day today will wait in anticipation. Yes; not bad ... just feeling very, very stupid about Patternmaker, which I could and should have avoided ... :'(

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Hi Ellandback, Welcome to EBA and thanks for your first post ... which deserves a better answer than I can offer it ... :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellandback do you have any specific formula or criteria for selecting your lays I do; several; but I'm afraid they're the things I don't comment on - I'm so sorry! :-[ I'm very happy to give away the selections, because doing that can't ever affect my income (my positions are mostly done by the time I post them, apart from the occasional shortie which is going to shorten further anyway), but if I go public about the system, I might just wake up one day and find that the prices on my selections are so poor that I can't do them any more! So ... I must ask you to excuse me for the lack of "constructive response" on this question ... :-X __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #619

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Thanks Maria, Really appreciate taking the time out to answer my questions. It not easy when just paper trading to get things working how one would like them, as you say might have difficulty get laid at times, with small amounts no problem shouldn't think. Would like to trade for real and thought after looking at yours a bank of around £1000 and adjust the stakes accordingly as I did in paper trading. Take your point about not to many short prices as profit slow to accumalate but also get hit harder when they go down, but easier to make a case for selecting the higher priced. Today thought you would get bitten by Basliea Star. #620

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it's extremely difficult to make profits from laying shorties The reason for that is that it highlights how much of a real edge you have very quickly..whereas laying long prices can look profitable over a longer period of time but in reality.. over say a couple of years you will end up with the same profit..using the same edge. I prefer to know over a couple of months if I am doing something wrong..with shorties you can soon see..with longies you never know to much further down the line. Either way..it's all about how good you are at picking losers Do you have your own website Maria?

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I agree with you, EC ... :-*

But more to the point, why did it take you 33 minutes to reply? ... When I said "it's extremely difficult to make profits from laying shorties" I was thinking to myself "EC will be here in 10 minutes!" ... ;D Quote:

Originally Posted by EC The reason for that is that it highlights how much of a real edge you have very quickly..whereas laying long prices can look profitable over a longer period of time but in reality.. over say a couple of years you will end up with the same profit..using the same edge. I prefer to know over a couple of months if I am doing something wrong..with shorties you can soon see..with longies you never know to much further down the line. Either way..it's all about how good you are at picking losers Yes; of course, I can't argue with a word of that. Quote:

Originally Posted by EC Do you have your own website Maria? Website? No ... I am a technophobe, I wouldn't know how to do that or use one, or anything. Seriously. :P Why? ... ??? __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #622

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Would like to trade for real and thought after looking at yours a bank of around £1000 and adjust the stakes accordingly as I did in paper trading. I think that's right ... trading for real, even for minimum stakes, is so much better than paper-trading, it really is.

I think you can start off with less than £1000 anyway ... The Betfair minimum for backer's stake is £2 (there's actually a way round it but it's unbelievably messy and complicated and it doesn't last for ever anyway, because if you make a habit of it they'll threaten to close your account), so that means on a selection at 11.0 (if you lay up to 11.0 like me?) your liability would be a minimum of £20, and that £2 backer's stake needs to be 0.4% of your bank, so your bank has to be £500, I think? I seem to recall when I started the thread that someone could actually join in with about £500 if they wanted to, so that might be about right ... ??? I actually originally started laying with £1000, and my starting-bank of £3000 in September last year when I started this thread all came from the profits from that preliminary year, so my aim for this "year" (September to August) is to turn the £3000 into £12000. We'll see ... Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman Today thought you would get bitten by Basliea Star. There's always one, but today it was a stupid one that should never have been in the selections post in the first place ... :P :'( :-[

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what took you so long? :P on the Puntersparadise board someone says something to you there about your board..they probably mean this one?

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Posted by Corky Hi Maria, Posted reply on your laying site. #625

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Ah, I see ... yes. "Corky" there is "Caraman" here ... I'm sure he means this site. __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #626

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Fourth Day ... Wednesday 22nd February ...

Sorry, couldn't come up with many selections to lay today ... ;D Kingfisher Sunset 1.50 Southwell ... Jug of Punch 2.00 Ludlow ... Code of Rules 2.15 Punchestown ... Henry's Pride 2.20 Southwell ... Tribal Dancer 2.30 Ludlow ... Quizzling 2.30 Ludlow ... Garstang 2.40 Lingfield ... Fools Rush In 2.45 Punchestown ... Slick 3.00 Ludlow ... Olivino 3.10 Lingfield ... Amarula Ridge 3.30 Ludlow ... Casablanca Minx 3.40 Lingfield ... Sundeck 3.45 Punchestown ... Vocative 3.50 Southwell ... Scotty's Future 4.10 Lingfield ... Calusa Charlie 4.20 Southwell ... So Chic 4.50 Southwell ...

Good luck! ...

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Hi Maria nearly a good day. Quizzing 10.50 and Jug of punch 9.20 aside. I'm a bit like EC- don't like them longies to much they've got a nasty habit of sneaking up and biting you. keep plugging away all the best

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Hi Dickie, Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly nearly a good day. Quizzing 10.50 and Jug of punch 9.20 aside. Exactly ... :-\ "Nearly" is right. I'm close to you with Jug Of Punch but 10.5 on Quizzling was unlucky, with an SP of 7/1. I suspect you were matched much later than me on this one? I had laid to 8.4 before posting (could just as easily have been the other way round, obviously). I confess I had a sort of "sinking feeling of recognition" about Quizzling and had felt less than confident about that whole race, to be honest; but Jug Of Punch was a very nasty shock indeed, and totally unforeseen ... > Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly I'm a bit like EC Don't worry about it: nobody's perfect ... ;D Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly don't like them longies to much I know that some pro-layers make their living from them exclusively, and I actually have one not fifteen yards from me as I type this, so I won't be too rude about them ... :-X Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly they've got a nasty habit of sneaking up and biting you.

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I have enough problems without horsebites, thank you ...

So ... Results Update: day 144 ... Kingfisher Sunset 1.50 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D Jug of Punch 2.00 Ludlow ... 9/1, 8.8, £26.54 :'( Code of Rules 2.15 Punchestown ... 11/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D Henry's Pride 2.20 Southwell ... 13/8, 3.0, £66.36 ;D Tribal Dancer 2.30 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.5, £39.81 ;D Quizzling 2.30 Ludlow ... 7/1, 8.4, £26.54 :'( Garstang 2.40 Lingfield ... 11/2, 5.5, £39.81 ;D Fools Rush In 2.45 Punchestown ... non-runner Slick 3.00 Ludlow ... 10/1, 10.5, £26.54 ;D Olivino 3.10 Lingfield ... 7/2, 5.8, £39.81 ;D Amarula Ridge 3.30 Ludlow ... 6/4, 2.86, £66.36 ;D Casablanca Minx 3.40 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.4, £39.81 ;D Sundeck 3.45 Punchestown ... 13/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D Vocative 3.50 Southwell ... 11/1, 11.0, £26.54 ;D Scotty's Future 4.10 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £26.54 ;D Calusa Charlie 4.20 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D So Chic 4.50 Southwell ... 5/1, 7.4, £39.81 ;D Comments: For anyone interested, and because I occasionally get asked about this, and because it came up today, Betfair commissions are charged on an "event", not on a runner. To clarify what this means: in the 2.30 at Ludlow today, for instance, I took a backer's stake of £39.81 on Tribal Dancer and lost £196.40 on Quizzling in the same race. You don't pay any commission on that because the net result was a loss of £156.59 on the "event" ... ??? Still, when I'm working out the results and displaying them here, I deduct 5% from the return of £39.81, just like I would have to if it had been the only horse I'd laid in the race ... : This means that my results are, strictly speaking, not absolutely accurate. Specifically, whenever I've laid more than one horse in a race, and one of them has won the race, I'm deducting a bit of commission I shouldn't be deducting. Someone who sometimes puts all my results into his own "Betfair spreadsheet" has pointed this anomaly out to me, so I mention it here in case anyone was wondering about it. The reality in such cases will always be a pound or two better than I've actually indicated. Sue me ... :-* (It's slightly artificial how I declare the results here anyway, to be honest, because I always deduct 5% from the winners, but obviously if your turnover is the same as what's shown in this thread your true commission level will be lower than that). And to answer the other question people often send by PM about the way I "keep score", a non-runner doesn't count towards my strike-rate. So today, for example, there were 17 in the selections post, but Fools Rush In didn't actually get out of bed today (and who can blame him?) so the strike-rate was 14/16, and the totals at the end are all calculated accordingly. It works for me, anyway ... Last little point: this month's strike-rate is just a tiny fraction under 86%, hence the

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current healthy balance, but please don't expect this to last. Statistically, there is almost no chance of that happening, I'm afraid. We will end the year as we began, with a strike-rate in-between 83% and 84% ... just so I don't mislead anyone ... 8) Meanwhile, today's takings were £542.09 (that's £570.63 after deduction of 5% commission), but the two nasty losses came to £403.31, bringing today's profit crashing all the way down to £138.68 ... :-X Still, the bank has actually reached a new high at £6774.89, and that means new, marginally increased stakes for tomorrow, which will be £67.74, £40.64 and £27.09 ...* Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £138.68 Tomorrow's bank: £6774.89 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £67.74, £40.64 and £27.09 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.09% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 22.15% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 125.83% Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 16 selections = 87.5% February strike-rate: 171 wins from 199 selections = 85.93% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1105 wins from 1323 selections = 83.52% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #629

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Fifth Day ... Thursday 23rd February ... I think I'm right in saying that there have never before been so many dangerous shorties in one day as there are today ... :-[ There's absolutely no reason for this at all: it's just the way the system selections

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turned out today ... : This will bring the month's strike-rate down a bit! ... :P

Anyway, I'm laying these ... Auenmoon 1.50 Haydock ... Cashbar 2.00 Huntingdon ... Vicario 2.20 Haydock ... Master Sebastien 2.20 Haydock ... Pseudonym 2.30 Huntingdon ... Shifty Night 2.40 Southwell ... Patriarch Express 2.50 Haydock ... Sh Boom 2.50 Haydock ... Crossbow Creek 3.00 Huntingdon ... Romil Star 3.10 Southwell ... Moulin Riche 3.20 Haydock ... Wain Mountain 3.20 Haydock ... Tempsford 3.55 Haydock ... Special Conquest 4.05 Huntingdon ... The Butterwick Kid 5.00 Haydock ... Don't Ask Me 5.10 Huntingdon ... Good luck! ... ;D

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I've backed El Correador in the last..hope you get the clean sweep 8)

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Well done Maria Absolutely brilliant

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Results Update: day 145 ... Auenmoon 1.50 Haydock ... 10/1, 10.5, £27.09 ;D Cashbar 2.00 Huntingdon ... 15/2, 7.4, £40.64 ;D Vicario 2.20 Haydock ... 9/2, 5.7, £40.64 ;D Master Sebastien 2.20 Haydock ... 8/1, 9.8, £27.09 ;D Pseudonym 2.30 Huntingdon ... 11/2, 6.8, £40.64 ;D Shifty Night 2.40 Southwell ... 9/1, 11.0, £27.09 ;D Patriarch Express 2.50 Haydock ... 11/4, 3.4, £67.74 ;D Sh Boom 2.50 Haydock ... 7/1, 9.4, £27.09 ;D Crossbow Creek 3.00 Huntingdon ... 11/4, 3.2, £67.74 ;D Romil Star 3.10 Southwell ... 6/4, 2.92, £67.74 ;D Moulin Riche 3.20 Haydock ... 2/1, 3.4, £67.74 ;D Wain Mountain 3.20 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D Tempsford 3.55 Haydock ... 10/1, 9.8, £27.09 ;D Special Conquest 4.05 Huntingdon ... 9/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D The Butterwick Kid 5.00 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D Don't Ask Me 5.10 Huntingdon ... 6/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D Comments: Ooooh, I can hardly believe how lucky we were today ...

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For anyone watching or looking for laying selections; don't expect it to be like this every day, because there are very many losing days and the occasional losing month as well ... Today's net takings were £656.34, which is £690.89 less 5% commission - no losses ... So the bank has reached a new high (doesn't mean it will stay there) at £7431.23 ... And that means new stakes for tomorrow, which are £74.31, £44.58 and £29.72 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £656.34 Tomorrow's bank: £7431.23 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £74.31, £44.58 and £29.72 Bank increase/(loss) today: 9.69% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.98% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 14.47% Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 16 selections = 100% ;D February strike-rate: 187 wins from 215 selections = 86.97% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1121 wins from 1339 selections = 83.72% 8) :-* __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #633

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unbelievable thread maria no wonder people are copying it ! #634

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top stuff ;D divna ps JM not a great elvis fan but love IN THE GHETTO my fav elvis track __________________ divna #635

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yep i know you been there lol Rare clip ! #636

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;D still am divna

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Good work #638

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Nice touch, Maria! Exellent stuff! Wolf #639

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Sixth Day ... Friday 24th February ... Not so many today, I'm afraid ... :-\

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Red Square Lad 2.15 Warwick ... Archidona 2.25 Wolverhampton ... Slew Charm 2.50 Warwick ... Tamagin 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Lunar Crystal 3.45 Sandown ... Alpaga Le Jomage 4.10 Wolverhampton ... Alfasonic 4.30 Warwick ... Kings Rock 4.30 Warwick ... Sir Brastias 4.55 Sandown ... Itcanbedone Again 5.45 Wolverhampton ...

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looks another good day to me..farnborough wins the last so you have no worries about yours winning :-*

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you would have layed all "on pace" horses there until they came out your ears :P #642

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Itcanbedone Again good name to get second strait day's clean sweep and What with Danse Macabre winning to a very nice day all round good luck tomorrow

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Thanks very much, Dickie ... looks like somehow I got away with it again today (that's how it feels, anyway) ... and you too, for tomorrow, of course ...

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Originally Posted by EC you would have layed all "on pace" horses there until they came out your ears :P To be honest, I'm just very relieved that Jakarmi crept in for 3rd there, because I had a really big e/w bet, taken this morning at a good price, but was distinctly nervous about it! ... :

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Red Square Lad 2.15 Warwick ... 8/1, 10.5, £29.72 ;D Archidona 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 14/1!!, 11.0, £29.72 ;D Slew Charm 2.50 Warwick ... 11/4, 4.5, £44.58 ;D Tamagin 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.4, £44.58 ;D Lunar Crystal 3.45 Sandown ... 9/2, 7.4, £44.58 ;D Alpaga Le Jomage 4.10 Wolverhampton ... 15/2, 6.8, £44.58 ;D Alfasonic 4.30 Warwick ... 11/8, 2.62, £74.31 ;D Kings Rock 4.30 Warwick ... 8/1, 10.5, £29.72 ;D Sir Brastias 4.55 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £44.58 ;D Itcanbedone Again 5.45 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.8, £44.58 ;D

Comments: Today's net takings were £409.40, which is £430.95 less 5% commission - no losses ... So the bank has reached a new high at £7840.63 ... And that means new stakes for tomorrow, which are £78.40, £47.04 and £31.36 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £409.40 Tomorrow's bank: £7840.63 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £78.40, £47.04 and £31.36 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.51% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 41.36% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 161.35% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 10 selections = 100% ;D February strike-rate: 197 wins from 225 selections = 87.56% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1131 wins from 1349 selections = 83.84% 8) :-* __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #644

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Another clean sweep! Very nice, Maria and well done! Wolf #645

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Well done. #646

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Hi Maria. Firstly i would like to say well done over the past 2 days with the clean sweeps one word Amazing. Could you tell me please, the staking that you do is the stake your liabillity or the backers, i would look through your thred but its to earlly in the morning and got work. I have been toying with the idea of starting to lay and thought it would be better to go/ tred very carrfully to start. #647

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Hi derbypub, Thank you. Quote:

Originally Posted by derbypub Could you tell me please, the staking that you do is the stake your liabillity or the backers, i would look through your thred but its to earlly in the morning and got work. It's not "fixed liability" or "fixed stake", to be honest; it's a blend of the two. I understand entirely about it being too early in the morning (it usually is, for me). Later in the day, though, the answer's in the very first couple of posts of the thread where the staking's all explained. In my results posts, the figure shown for each horse after the SP is the backer's stake to which I've laid, and it's sort of a variety of different fixed stakes within bands, or something like that ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by derbypub I have been toying with the idea of starting to lay and thought it would be better to go/ tred very carrfully to start. I think everyone would agree with that. I'd honestly recommend fixed liability ("smoother curve") rather than fixed stake ("swingy results") as a rule of thumb. Depending on the average sort of price to which you're laying, if you start off laying to a fixed liability of 2%, 3% or 4% of your bank, you'll be very unlucky to get killed ...

So ... The Hundred-And-Forty-Seventh Day ... Saturday 25th February ... Not quite as many as we'd hope for on a busy Saturday, perhaps (and that's not helped by the fact that I have none from Fairyhouse today) ... :-[ Stagecoach Diamond 1.50 Newcastle ... Moayed 2.35 Lingfield ... Mythical King 2.40 Chepstow ... Don't Call Me Derek 3.00 Newcastle ... Kittenkat 3.15 Chepstow ... Fork Lightning 3.20 Sandown ... Polygonal 3.40 Lingfield ... Corals Laurel 3.50 Chepstow ... Kallistas Pride 4.10 Ling ... Cloudmor 4.35 Newcastle ...

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Portland Bill 4.55 Chepstow ... Summer charm 5.15 Lingfield ... Stage Manager 5.15 Lingfield ... Good luck today! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #648

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Thanks for taking the time to post and the explanation Maria, much appreciated.. good luck with the rest of your selections. ;D #649

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Results update, day 147 ... Stagecoach Diamond 1.50 Newcastle ... 6/1, 6.8, £47.04 ;D Moayed 2.35 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D Mythical King 2.40 Chepstow ... 15/2, 7.4, £47.04 ;D Don't Call Me Derek 3.00 Newcastle ... 7/2, 3.15, £78.40 ;D Kittenkat 3.15 Chepstow ... 9/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D Fork Lightning 3.20 Sandown ... 7/1, 7.4, £47.04 ;D Polygonal 3.40 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D Corals Laurel 3.50 Chepstow ... 4/1, 7.4, £47.04 ;D Kallistas Pride 4.10 Ling ... 9/2, 6.0, £47.04 ;D Cloudmor 4.35 Newcastle ... 3/1, 4.5, £47.04 ;D Portland Bill 4.55 Chepstow ... 7/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D Summer charm 5.15 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.5, £31.36 ;D

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Stage Manager 5.15 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.0, £47.04 ;D Comments: I know that a couple of the prices I laid to look pretty embarrassing (like Portland Bill and Corals Laurel) but I just took very early prices on the lot today because I had shopping to do ... it's a girl thing ... :-[ Today's net takings were £536.25, which is £564.48 less 5% commission - no losses ... So the bank has reached a new high at £8376.88 ... And that means new stakes for tomorrow, which are £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50 ... Don't forget that this is just a "good run" and that the "bad runs" can be every bit as bad as this is good; and there's no way to tell when they're coming up! ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £536.25 Tomorrow's bank: £8376.88 Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50 Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.84% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 51.03% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 179.23% Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 13 selections = 100% ;D February strike-rate: 210 wins from 238 selections = 88.24% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1144 wins from 1362 selections = 83.99% 8) :-* __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #650

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Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 13 selections = 100% Wow! - can't ask for more than that - congratulations! Sunnyland __________________ No matter how many times you fail at something, you are never a failure until the day you quit trying.-- Michael T. Vaisanen

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Looking good M __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #652

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Oh Noooooooooooooo, not another clean sweep! When will it ever stop? Hopefully not in the next 6 month! ;D

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Well done Maria! Wolf #653

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maria,

start looking for that car not that you need it , but good luck for next week DickieDaly #654

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GOD I'M MORE DEPRESSED THAN EVER PICKING LOSERS BUT WINNING WISH I WAS 21 AGAIN DONT FORGET MARIA IF YOU ARE IN THE GOLF COMP YOU MUST PICK WINNERS NOT LOSERS :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* divna __________________ divna #655

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;D Well done again maria, had a little bit of your last 4 thanks. #656

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Oooh, thank you! ... :-*

The Hundred-And-Forty-Eighth Day ... Sunday 26th February ... Some real shorties today, and really not expecting to get through the day without a winner ... :-\ ... anyway, I'm laying these ten ... Grasp 2.10 Fontwell ... St Ivian 2.30 Southwell ... Amanpuri 3.40 Fontwell ... Bill Bennett 3.00 Southwell ... To Be Fare 3.00 Southwell ... Kumakawa 4.00 Southwell ... Sweet Cherokee 4.30 Southwell ... Tinvane Rose 4.40 Fontwell ... Mister Aziz 5.00 Southwell ... Straffan 5.00 Southwell ... Good luck today! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #657

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think Grasp is a decent fav Maria Kanpai looks exposed Bayazid..disappointing FTO..poor NH sire..blinkers won't help you will need an outsider possibly to beat GRASP..unlikely with a RPR of 132..the one that beat it LTO is a decent tool in the context of todays race good luck..i definately need it :-* #658

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You're right ... :-[ Oh well, my run had to come to an end somewhere and at least it was easy to lay at evens (still cost me £83.76 at 1% of bank, mind you) ... :-\ I was thinking Kanpai, to be honest: I never had any real hope for Bayazid ... ??? __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #659

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My view is that Kanpai is a bit of a non stayer under todays conditions..looked exposed as well

your stakes are getting big now these short ones are a bugger #660

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Maria This might be a stoopid question and if so I apologise in advance but do you have a fix on the respective profitability of each of your three ranges of laying? I guess where I'm coming from is that my nervous twitch kicks in when I lay at 5-1+ but I don't want to miss out on the higher odds selections if you know that is where the profit tends to come from. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Beaky This might be a stoopid question and if so I apologise in advance but do you have a fix on the respective profitability of each of your three ranges of laying? I guess where I'm coming from is that my nervous twitch kicks in when I lay at 5-1+ but I don't want to miss out on the higher odds selections if you know that is where the profit tends to come from. Hi Beaky - welcome to EBA (I always feel a bit silly saying that because half the people I say it to have probably been here as long as I have but just more quietly!) ... :-[ It's a highly pertinent and relevant question ... 8) Personally, my nervous twitch kicks in when laying at less than 5/1! Partly because I know that professional layers make their living above that figure, and partly because of my own results (and partly because I sometimes like to try to wind up my friend EC too, when the opportunity suddenly presents itself! :-*) ... so, to answer your question: I ought to have figures to prove what I'm about to say, and if I were a really computer literate girl equipped with spreadsheets and stuff I would have, but the truth is that although I can't conveniently prove it, I do much better above 5/1 than below ... I wouldn't even be astonished if all the ones below that price don't make much profit at all ... > I'm going to run this laying system as it is for a complete year, give or take a day or two (that's until the end of August) hoping to get it up to £12,000 by then, but I'm already very, very slowly researching (from thousands of results) my next laying venture, and I'm already pretty certain that it will involve laying from about 4/1 (or maybe 5/1) up to about 14/1 (or maybe 15/1) ... this is partly because I don't have the race-reading skills (like EC does) to mess about with shorties, and partly because all the time I've been betting this system for real, I've also been "paper-trading" all the system's many selections between 11.0 and 15.5 (and betting on them quite often out of a different bank and in a slightly different way, to be honest), and they're better ...

So ... results update for day 148 ("the day the wheel came off") ... Grasp 2.10 Fontwell ... evens, 2.0, £83.76 :'( St Ivian 2.30 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.8, £50.26 ;D Amanpuri 3.40 Fontwell ... 9/4, 3.75, £50.26 :'( Bill Bennett 3.00 Southwell ... 9/1, 8.6, £33.50 ;D To Be Fare 3.00 Southwell ... 3/1, 4.8, £50.26 ;D Kumakawa 4.00 Southwell ... 9/1, 10.5, £33.50 ;D Sweet Cherokee 4.30 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £50.26 ;D Tinvane Rose 4.40 Fontwell ... 15/2, 9.6, £33.50 ;D Mister Aziz 5.00 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.5, £33.50 ;D Straffan 5.00 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.4, £33.50 :'( Comments:

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Today's takings were only £270.54 (that's £284.78 less 5% commission), but the three losses added up to a massive £469.88, leaving a net loss on the day of £199.34 ... So the bank has slipped back to £8177.54, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£199.34) Tomorrow's bank: £8177.54 Tomorrow's stakes: £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.38%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 47.44% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 172.58% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 10 selections = 70% :P February strike-rate: 217 wins from 248 selections = 87.5% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1151 wins from 1372 selections = 83.89%

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I'm not sure about pro's only laying above that price..not that i know any though. I think you have to lay at what your edge allows..mine isn't allowing me to make a profit with below 2/1..I really do not see..apart from knowing a horse is going to lose..that there are enough form reading factors to be able to score in this area. The odds are so representative of chance that actually beating the odds laying is very demanding. I won't give up with it but I'm certainly thinking that the 3/1-5/1 zone is probably where my comfort zone would be..time will tell.

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Hi Maria and EC Thanks for taking the time and trouble to make such comprehensive replies. I'm still in the zone of trying to find that edge. I've been concentrating on fairly short-priced horses I think are a false short price because of e.g. over-hype on the trainer, jockey or whatever. Most days, by a thorough study of the form, I can find three or four in the 2/1 - 5/1 range I believe are too short but need all of them to win (or lose rather). I need to get only one wrong (or have mine left on its own when the three ahead of it fall at the last) and that's the day's profit gone. Get two wrong and it's a bit of a kick in the proverbials. I can cope with that at up to 5/1 but two or three of those at bigger prices would have me reaching for the valium.

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you have summed it up nicely Beaky I am finding myself searching for weak favourites..but then looking at finding a winner in those races rather than laying the fav..I've gone full circle. The alternative is this..let the lay come to you..basically peruse the form..if nothing OBVIOUS stands out after going through the cards pretty swiftly then do not lay anything. It sounds simple but it is so easy to make a lay just out of the need to have a bet. Basically a patient approach and hit maybe 5 or 6 lays a week..maybe less. If you work on a months..say 15/20 really solid..obvious on first look..cast iron buggers.

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I'm seriously considering this. #665

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EC Yep agree. As my grandad said to me on his deathbed, 'Never ever forget the huge advantage we have over bookies. They have to get involved in every race. We don't'.

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Ninth Day ... Monday 27th February ... Not so many again today; I'm laying these ... Everest 1.55 Wolverhampton ... Chart Oak 2.25 Wolverhampton ... Dance Party 2.35 Ayr ... Jexel 2.35 Ayr ... White On Black 2.45 Plumpton ... Briars Mist 3.40 Ayr ... Pennys Crown 3.50 Plumpton ... Desperation 4.35 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ;D

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Results update for day 149 ... Everest 1.55 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 8.6, £33.50 ;D Chart Oak 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 9.6, £33.50 ;D Dance Party 2.35 Ayr ... 6/1, 6.8, £50.26 ;D Jexel 2.35 Ayr ... 10/1, 9.2, £33.50 ;D White On Black 2.45 Plumpton ... 8/1, 8.0, £33.50 :'( Briars Mist 3.40 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.4, £50.26 ;D Pennys Crown 3.50 Plumpton ... 17/2, 7.4, £50.26 ;D Desperation 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.75, £50.26 :'( Comments: McCoy is not at the best of times my favourite man in the world, it must be said ... :P

Another losing day, today ... > Today's takings were only £238.71 (that's £251.28 less 5% commission), but the two losses added up to £326.63, leaving a net loss on the day of £87.92 ... So the bank has slipped back to £8089.62, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: (£87.92) Tomorrow's bank: £8089.62 Tomorrow's stakes: £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.07%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 45.85% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 169.65% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75% :P February strike-rate: 223 wins from 256 selections = 87.11% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1157 wins from 1380 selections = 83.84%

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phew

Have you seen Corky's thread on Puntersparadise Maria? you think you had a bad day I'd be totally gutted,,,and I've had some bad uns recently #669

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Yes your right, I had absolute grim day, that what you get if you rush things and don't do your homework, really should have known with Osbornes horse first time out but didn't think about till the race was going off and said to myself this was the one to be on but still didn't back it. Just one of those days, fortunately dutched the last three races of the day and got three winners so recovered somewhat. Still nice to see Maria powering on and was a bit surprised to see Desperation win as it was tipped as lay by others. Myself I am still trying a few different ways to select, so hopefully arrive at something profitable.

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Eeeewwwwww ... very very unlucky yesterday for sure, can happen, though. I was very lucky and saw Benji Thingy tipped here strongly by a certain member whose opinions are not generally rubbish and I was lucky to have heard of Sir Douglas the week before from a friend of Jamie ... but of course it can just as easily be the other way round and nobody is immune from such accidents ... :-[ :-X Wish you very good luck today Corky ... I am on a losing run myself here so let's hope we all win it back today ... ;D So ... today is my Hundred-And-Fiftieth Day of laying here (and I might get up soon) ... Not so many left for me today, with Catterick abandoned from the frost, but I am laying these, anyway ... Franky N Johnny 1.30 Lingfield ... Youralittlemiller 1.30 Lingfield ... Scroll 2.00 Lingfield ... Hawk's Landing 2.50 Leicester ... (I think it's a sort of wine? I may be blonde but even I know that a bottle of wine cannot win a handicap chase at Leicester even with the help of McCoy ...) Predestine 3.50 Leicester ... Attitude Annie 4.00 Lingfield ... Bravura 5.00 Lingfield ...

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Good luck to you Maria, would have had Scroll as lay of the day as they said always the bridesmaid. Not a great McCoy fan until over the last fence as seems to get caught out as he pushes but for the run in non better to get a horse up. Was really annoyed with myself on Sir Douglas but fortunately didn't actually lay it with cash so saved a bit of an embarrassment, and saved embarrassment here with the spell check on that word. Best of luck today, even though you are well ahead. #672

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Originally Posted by caraman Not a great McCoy fan Nor me, and this is to put it mildly ... :P His customary place in this thread is to be in the wrong. He is always my real bête noire with laying: if he is riding them, he wins on them; if he is riding another in the race he apparently contrives somehow to lose with them (as with yesterday's 2/5 favourite) ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #673

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Results update for day 150 ... Franky N Johnny 1.30 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.5, £50.26 ;D Youralittlemiller 1.30 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £33.50 ;D Scroll 2.00 Lingfield ... 10/3, 44, £50.26 ;D Hawk's Landing 2.50 Leicester ... 5/1, 7.4, £50.26 ;D Predestine 3.50 Leicester ... 10/3, 5.7, £50.26 ;D Attitude Annie 4.00 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.4, £50.26 ;D Bravura 5.00 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £33.50 ;D Comments: Today's takings: £302.38 (that's £318.30 less 5% commission); no losses ... So, after two consecutive losing days, the bank has now reached a new high at £8392.00, and that means new, fractionally increased stakes for tomorrow, which will be £83.92, £50.35 and £33.56 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52 Profit/(loss) today: £302.38 Tomorrow's bank: £8392.00 Tomorrow's stakes: £83.92, £50.35 and £33.56 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.74% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 51.3% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 179.73% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% ;D February strike-rate: 230 wins from 263 selections = 87.45% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1163 wins from 1387 selections = 83.85%

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Round-up of the month - February ... 8)

The main thing is that we were very, very, very lucky ... My pretty confident predictions are that when we reach the end of the year (August), February will turn out to have been the best-performing month for no particular reason at all, and that it will have had the highest strike-rate overall, and that the overall strike-rate for the year will end up being between 83% and 84% anyway, which is what it's always been overall with this system ... :-\ There are seasonal fluctuations with this system, but the number of selections in March might be about the same as for February, or possibly a few more because we might avoid most of the "abandoned meetings" now ... ???

April will be quieter, with a smaller number of selections ... From May 1st to August 31st will be the busiest 4 months of the year for this system, with more selections than at other times ... Meanwhile I wish everyone good luck and successful backing and laying for the month of March ...

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Originally Posted by maria Results update for day 149 ... Desperation 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.75, £33.50 :'(

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Hi Maria, was that a Freudian Slip? . #676

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Originally Posted by MayoMan Hi Maria, was that a Freudian Slip? No, a Freudian slip is one of those garments which attracts attention to what it conceals, I think ... ???

Just a typo, which I've amended now; and thanks for finding it ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #677

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Wednesday 1st March ... hardly any racing left today, so it's not really worth getting out of bed! ... __________________ maria santonix

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Depends who is laying next to you Maria! (pardon the pun!) #679

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Thursday 2nd ... two jumps meetings abandoned again (I swear it's warmer even in Daugavpils than it is in Taunton or Ludlow), so it looks like another day curled up with the nice fluffy reindeer ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #680

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are there any selections today ??

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Coming up, Mr. Nutter ... suppose I have to start work again even with Southwell abandoned ... The Hundred-And-Fifty-First Day ... Friday 3rd March ... And we seem to have a slightly strange mixture of shorties and stinkers today ... ??? I'm laying these ... River City 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Gibbs Camp 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Daraybad 2.00 Newbury ... Parkview Love 2.20 Wolverhampton ... Gilded Cove 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Shining Strand 3.40 Newbury ... Quid Pro Quo 3.40 Newbury ... The Outlier 3.40 Newbury ... Little Richard 4.05 Wolverhampton ... Screenplay 4.15 Newbury ... Christy Beamish 4.45 Newbury ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #682

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Originally Posted by MayoMan Hi Maria, was that a Freudian Slip? No, a Freudian slip is one of those garments which attracts attention to what it conceals, I think ... ???

Just a typo, which I've amended now; and thanks for finding it ... Don't you need to reflect this in the loss as well? :-* #683

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Originally Posted by achilles Don't you need to reflect this in the loss as well? :-*

In a word, "bugger" ... :P I thought I didn't need to because it was only a typo and the arithmetic was right anyway, but it turns out not, Hawkeye ... : So I ought to reflect it in the results, I suppose, Peter, but there have been another 2 days since then and the stakes for them should apparently have been a fraction different, so it would really be cheating to go back and change it all now. Sorry about this little slip - fortunately the amount of money involved is very tiny - at the time, it was actually £46.09, which was 2.75 x (£50.26 - £33.50) - so I'm going to resolve it

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by taking a notional £60 off the bank after scoring up today and before continuing tomorrow ... I might be "over-penalising" my bank by a few pounds, but it's near enough, and however I try to resolve it now, it's not going to be perfect ... :-[ The reason a little slip like this can get through is that the profits shown in the results posts every day are actually a bit smaller than the reality of my laying account, because I always deduct commission at 5% but pay it myself at 3%, so the numbers never tally anyway and I've got no "accurate record" to check it against ... :-[ :-[

So ... Results Update: day 151 ... River City 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.4, £33.56 ;D Gibbs Camp 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 2/1, 3.35, £83.92 ;D Daraybad 2.00 Newbury ... 8/1, 10.0, £33.56 ;D Parkview Love 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 10.5, £33.56 ;D Gilded Cove 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £50.35 ;D Shining Strand 3.40 Newbury ... 4/1, 4.8, £50.35 ;D Quid Pro Quo 3.40 Newbury ... 9/1, 11.0, £33.56 ;D The Outlier 3.40 Newbury ... 9/1, 10.0, £33.56 ;D Little Richard 4.05 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 6.2, £50.35 ;D Screenplay 4.15 Newbury ... 8/1, 11.0, £33.56 ;D Christy Beamish 4.45 Newbury ... 6/1, 3.6, £33.56 :'( Comments: ... and I thought I was going to lay the last one at 3.4, getting £83.92 for it or trying to; but fortunately (as it turned out) only the princely sum of £6 was transacted under 3.5. The main thing was to have laid Gibbs Camp an hour before EC and at a much better price. Made absolutely no difference whatsoever to the result of course (as it lost anyway), but it's the principle, you understand ... Today's takings: £414.51 (that's £436.33 less 5% commission); but a loss of £130.91 brings that down to £283.60 ... So, you would think that the bank would have reached a new high of £8675.60, but it is not to be, because I'm going to take £60 off that to make up for a little slip a few days ago (see explanation above) and call it £8615.60 instead ... ??? But that still means new stakes for tomorrow, which will be £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 ... And, to balance the books, in the results below I'm showing today's net profit as only £223.60 instead of £283.60 ... :

Confused? You will be ... :-* Pass the aspirin, Divna ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £223.60 Tomorrow's bank: £8615.60 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.66% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.66% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 187.19% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91% March strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1173 wins from 1398 selections = 83.91% Hoping for loads more snow and then I can go back to having another couple of days off ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #684

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Twoth Day ... Saturday 4th March ... It's still too cold to think straight but I'm laying these ... Rose Bien 1.20 Lingfield ... Tapa 1.30 Wolverhampton ... Cool Sands 1.50 Lingfield ... Hadath 1.50 Lingfield ... Mighty Kitchener 3.10 Wolverhampton ... Claymore 3.15 Newbury ... Tokala 3.45 Newbury ... Shannon Springs 4.20 Newbury ... Madrasee 4.35 Lingfield ... Sweetest Revenge 4.50 Wolverhampton ... Tickford Abbey 5.10 Lingfield ... Good luck today! 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #685

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No problem, Maria, keep up the superb work! #686

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Results Update: day 152 ...

Rose Bien 1.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Tapa 1.30 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.6, £34.46 ;D Cool Sands 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.4, £34.46 :'( Hadath 1.50 Lingfield ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Mighty Kitchener 3.10 Wolverhampton ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Claymore 3.15 Newbury ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Tokala 3.45 Newbury ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Shannon Springs 4.20 Newbury ... 5/1, 6.8, £51.69 ;D Madrasee 4.35 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Sweetest Revenge 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.4, £34.46 :'( Tickford Abbey 5.10 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Comments: Just a bad day ... I really did think the 1.50 race was particularly unlucky, but then that's racing and there have probably been just as many times I've been particularly lucky ... it just somehow never feels like it at the time ... Today's takings: £376.47 (that's £396.29 less 5% commission); but the two losses

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add up to £510 which means a net loss of £133.53 today ... So the bank has slipped back to £8542.07 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £133.53 Tomorrow's bank: £8542.07 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.55%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.79% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 184.74% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82% March strike-rate: 19 wins from 22 selections = 86.36% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1182 wins from 1409 selections = 83.89% Would have been better off staying in bed today ... :-[ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #687

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Sunday - only Leopardstown and Clonmel today, so I'll give it a miss (rather than a politically correct "ms", I think) ... ??? __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #688

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Hi Maria, you are still doing 2 steps forward and only 1 step backwards every so often. You are still doing very nicely. No need to feel despondent. Wolf #689

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Thank you, Wolf ... :-*

The Hundred-And-Fifty-Third Day ... Monday 6th March ... No real shorties today (Welsh Dragon looks probably the shortest of these at around 7/2 maybe?) ... but I'm laying these ... Abaconian 2.30 Lingfield ... After Lent 2.40 Hereford ... Dictator 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Malibu 3.00 Lingfield ... Playmaster 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Scamperdale 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Giovanna 3.40 Hereford ... Million Percent 4.20 Wolverhampton ... Welsh Dragon 4.30 Lingfield ... Nailed On 5.10 Hereford ...

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Results Update: day 153 ... Abaconian 2.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D After Lent 2.40 Hereford ... 7/2, 5.4, £51.69 ;D Dictator 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £34.46 ;D Malibu 3.00 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Play Master 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 8.4, £34.46 :'( Scamperdale 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Giovanna 3.40 Hereford ... 10/1, 9.8, £34.46 ;D Million Percent 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Welsh Dragon 4.30 Lingfield ... 9/4, 3.7, £51.69 :'( Nailed On 5.10 Hereford ... 9/2, 6.6, £51.69 ;D Comments: Pretty bad today, but to be honest about it, I was lucky to lose only £67 ... Today's takings: £327.37 (that's £344.60 less 5% commission); but the two losses add up to £394.58 which means a net loss of £67.21 today ... So the bank has slipped back to £8474.86 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£67.21) Tomorrow's bank: £8474.86 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.79%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.99% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 182.5% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 10 selections = 80% March strike-rate: 27 wins from 32 selections = 84.38% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1190 wins from 1419 selections = 83.86% Would have been better off staying in bed again today, too ... :-[ :-X

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Considering Welsh Dragon actually finished 2nd Maria, I think you were unfortunate today. Tough luck beamer __________________ The artist formally known as beamer #692

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Thanks Beamer ... I know what you mean, of course. I certainly wouldn't have been pleased to have backed the other horse at 14/1 and not been paid out! ... > I suppose in the long run the luck all evens out and you're left with your "edge" which you just have to try to exert as often as possible ... :-\ So, the Hundred-And-Fifty-Fourth Day ... Tuesday 7th March ... and with Newcastle abandoned, there isn't all that much left today ... still, I'm laying these ... Chater Knight 2.40 Southwell ... Doctor Dennis 3.10 Southwell ... Mossmann Gorge 3.40 Southwell ... Count The Trees 3.40 Southwell ...

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Noble Edge 3.40 Southwell ... Kylkenny 4.10 Southwell ... Visibility 4.50 Exeter ... Zorn 5.10 Southwell ...

Good/bad luck to these!

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Results Update: day 154 ... Chater Knight 2.40 Southwell ... 3/1, 4.1, £51.69 ;D Doctor Dennis 3.10 Southwell ... 6/1, 5.6, £51.69 ;D Mossmann Gorge 3.40 Southwell ... 2/1, 3.8, £51.69 :'( Count The Trees 3.40 Southwell ... 12/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Noble Edge 3.40 Southwell ... 11/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Kylkenny 4.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 5.6, £51.69 :'( Visibility 4.50 Exeter ... 5/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Zorn 5.10 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.6, £51.69 :'( Comments: Disaster City ... One of the worst days for a very long time: today's losses add up to £620.30 (I know: I paid them) and even deducting the takings of £212.79 (£223.99 less 5% commission) leaves a hole of £407.51 in the account ... We are in negative territory for the month, and it's the first time that's happened for a while, too ... So the bank has fallen back to £8067.35 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (407.51) Tomorrow's bank: £8067.35 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.81%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.87%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 168.91%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 8 selections = 62.5% March strike-rate: 32 wins from 40 selections = 80% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1195 wins from 1427 selections = 83.74%

Would have been much better off staying in bed again today, too ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #694

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That was a real bummer yesterday. So what? 2 step forward, 1 step backwards! Wolf #695

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Hope so, Wolf, thank you for supportive post ... I will carry on "undaunted" anyway, even though Undaunted is not running today ... The Hundred-And-Fifty-Fifth Day ... Wednesday 8th March ... With Fontwell waterlogged, since they don't let you lay swimmers, I will stick to these ... Armentieres 2.00 Catterick ... Elms Schoolboy 2.10 Southwell ... Logger Rhythm 2.40 Southwell ... Moyne Pleasure 3.30 Catterick ... Tommytyler 3.40 Southwell ... Persian Point 4.00 Catterick ... Upswing 4.00 Catterick ... Wilfie Wild 5.00 Catterick ... Good luck! 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #696

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Results Update: day 155 ... Armentieres 2.00 Catterick ... 5/1, 5.6, £51.69 ;D Elms Schoolboy 2.10 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Logger Rhythm 2.40 Southwell ... 9/4, 3.4, £86.15 ;D Moyne Pleasure 3.30 Catterick ... 9/1, 9.0, £34.46 ;D Tommytyler 3.40 Southwell ... 3/1, 4.2, £51.69 ;D Persian Point 4.00 Catterick ... 11/2, 6.8, £51.69

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Upswing 4.00 Catterick ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Wilfie Wild 5.00 Catterick ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Comments: After a day like yesterday I suppose a plus is a plus and I ought to be pleased ... :-\ The takings today were £343.73 (this is £361.83 less 5% commission) but the loss on Persian Point was £299.80, leaving a net profit of only £43.93 on the day ... :P So the bank is now £8111.28 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £43.93 Tomorrow's bank: £8111.28 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.54% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.35%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 170.38% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5% March strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1202 wins from 1435 selections = 83.76%

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Sixth Day ... Thursday 9th March ...

An English "dozen" to lay, today ...

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Lunar Sovereign 1.50 Wincanton ... Motcombe 2.20 Wincanton ... Walsingham 2.55 Wincanton ... Dorneys Well 3.05 Towcester ... Laertes 3.15 Carlisle ... Ballyboley 3.15 Carlisle ... Lambrini Bianco 3.50 Carlisle ... Matmata de Tendron 3.50 Carlisle ... Recent Edition 3.50 Carlisle ... Lazy But Lively 3.50 Carlisle ... Lord Nellerie 4.50 Towcester ... Old Benny 5.10 Wincanton ...

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Thought you could have found a few more lays in that race you chicken. Hope your right about Lunar Sovereign, as I have gone and backed 1st time out Promotion. 4.4 looked very big last night. Good luck beamer __________________ The artist formally known as beamer #699

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Originally Posted by beamer2 Thought you could have found a few more lays in that race you chicken. Can always lay Briar's Mist as well, if you want ... and probably just about within the 11.0 cut-off, too ... or just have a straight win bet on Dickie Lewis instead ... Quote:

Originally Posted by beamer2 Hope your right about Lunar Sovereign, as I have gone and backed 1st time out Promotion. 4.4 looked very big last night. Oooh, that's very brave: I don't back them without checking from a first run that they've got 4 legs and all this sort of thing ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #700

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I never do do, but decided to take the price and lay back for a profit. As usual got gready. I think the Queen must have layed it beamer __________________ The artist formally known as beamer

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Results Update: day 156 ... Lunar Sovereign 1.50 Wincanton ... 5/1, 6.8, £51.69 ;D Motcombe 2.20 Wincanton ... 5/1, 6.6, £51.69 Walsingham 2.55 Wincanton ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Dorneys Well 3.05 Towcester ... 4/1, 4.8, £51.69 ;D Laertes 3.15 Carlisle ... 7/2, 3.4, £86.15 ;D Ballyboley 3.15 Carlisle ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Lambrini Bianco 3.50 Carlisle ... 4/1, 5.4, £51.69 ;D Matmata de Tendron 3.50 Carlisle ... 9/2, 6.0, £51.69 ;D Recent Edition 3.50 Carlisle ... 5/1, 6.4, £51.69 Lazy But Lively 3.50 Carlisle ... 5/1, 6.4, £51.69 ;D Lord Nellerie 4.50 Towcester ... non-runner Old Benny 5.10 Wincanton ... 6/1, 6,6, £51.69 ;D Comments: Cross and annoyed with myself today, not because of the 3.50 race (which wasn't expensive anyway) but because of Motcombe in the 2.20: I knew before doing my laying that my friend Nigel (whose record is brilliant) had a big dutch on Motcombe and Chabrimal Minster and wrongly decided to go ahead and lay Motcombe anyway, where on a better day I would have perfectly legitimately decided the opposite within the rules of my system ... The takings today were £458.31 (this is £482.44 less 5% commission) but the losses on the 3.50 race and the entirely avoidable Motcombe add up to an awful £568.60, leaving a well deserved net loss of £110.29 on the day ... :P So the bank is now £8000.99 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£110.29) Tomorrow's bank: £8000.99 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.36%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.66%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 166.7% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.81%

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March strike-rate: 48 wins from 59 selections = 81.36% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1211 wins from 1446 selections = 83.75%

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Seventh Day ... Friday 10th March ...

A little bit of everything here today ... ??? : The Masareti Kid 2.00 Ayr ... Young Lorcan 2.20 Leicester ... Scarlet Cloak 2.30 Ayr ... Sobers 2.30 Ayr ... Lord Collingwood 2.30 Ayr ... Alphabetical 2.40 Sandown ... Bill Haze 2.50 Leicester ... Rookery Lad 3.25 Leicester ... Morgan Be 3.35 Leicester ... Kipsigis 3.50 Sandown ... Curly Spencer 4.00 Leicester ... Bollin Thomas 4.45 Ayr ... Tiger King 4.45 Ayr ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #703

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Results Update: day 157 ... The Masareti Kid 2.00 Ayr ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Young Lorcan 2.20 Leicester ... 9/1, 10.0, £34.46 Scarlet Cloak 2.30 Ayr ... 10/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D Sobers 2.30 Ayr ... 5/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Lord Collingwood 2.30 Ayr ... 10/1, 9.4, £34.46 ;D Alphabetical 2.40 Sandown ... 3/1, 4.2, £51.69 ;D Bill Haze 2.50 Leicester ... 7/2, 4.6, £51.69 Rookery Lad 3.25 Leicester ... non-runner Morgan Be 3.35 Leicester ... 13/8, 2.8, £86.15 Kipsigis 3.50 Sandown ... 5/1, 5.0, £51.69 Curly Spencer 4.00 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Bollin Thomas 4.45 Ayr ... 5/2, 3.45, £86.15 ;D Tiger King 4.45 Ayr ... 10/1, 7.2, £51.69 ;D Comments: Eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww ...

March was a bugger last year, actually ... The takings today were £360.10 (that's £379.06 less 5% commission) and the losses came to £858.06, leaving a net loss of £497.96 on the day ... So the bank is now only £7503.03 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged, and we'll get it back, of course ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£497.96) Tomorrow's bank: 7503.03 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (6.22%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (10.59%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 150.1%

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Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 12 selections = 66.67% March strike-rate: 56 wins from 71 selections = 78.87% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1219 wins from 1458 selections = 83.61%

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Of course you will get it back! No doubt whatsoever! Wolf #705

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Eighth Day ... Saturday 11th March ... Could do with a good day, here: less about shoe-shopping now than avoiding being barefoot ... I'm laying these and I hope they all have a good race and give their connections lots of fun and excitement and finish second ... :-X

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Sounds Simla 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Woodford Consult 2.15 Ayr ... Harlov 2.50 Ayr ... Brandy Wine 2.50 Ayr ... Darko Karim 3.05 Chepstow ... Ursis 3.20 Sandown ... Kirkside Pleasure 3.25 Ayr ... Lucky Lark 4.10 Wolverhampton ... Ebony Jack 4.15 Chepstow ... Priors Dale 4.25 Sandown ... Key Phil 4.50 Chepstow ... Desert Tommy 5.25 Chepstow ... Classic Harry 5.35 Ayr ...

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Results Update: day 158 ... Sounds Simla 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Woodford Consult 2.15 Ayr ... 9/2, 6.0, £51.69 ;D Harlov 2.50 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Brandy Wine 2.50 Ayr ... 5/2, 3.3, £86.15 ;D Darko Karim 3.05 Chepstow ... 10/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Ursis 3.20 Sandown ... 13/2, 7.0, £51.69 ;D Kirkside Pleasure 3.25 Ayr ... 13/2, 8.0, £34.46 Lucky Lark 4.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/2, 3.9, £51.69 Ebony Jack 4.15 Chepstow ... 3/1, 4.6, £51.69 ;D Priors Dale 4.25 Sandown ... 5/1, 5.5, £51.69 ;D Key Phil 4.50 Chepstow ... 9/2, 5.5, £51.69 ;D Desert Tommy 5.25 Chepstow ... 13/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Classic Harry 5.35 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Comments:

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Today's takings £556.52 (that's £585.82 less 5% commission) and the losses came to £391.12, leaving a net profit of £165.40 on the day ... The bank is now £7668.43, tomorrow's stakes are unchanged and we have a long way to go, here ... :-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £165.40 Tomorrow's bank: £7668.43 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.2% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (8.62%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 155.61% Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 13 selections = 84.62% March strike-rate: 67 wins from 84 selections = 79.76% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1230 wins from 1471 selections = 83.62% :-X __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #707

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See, some pennies back already! Wolf #708

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Ninth Day ... Sunday 12th March ... Another dozen today ... :-\ Sarah's Quay 2.15 Market Rasen ... Major Catch 2.30 Warwick ... Exceptionnel 3.00 Warwick ... Cabrillo 3.15 Market Rasen ... Graceful Dancer 3.30 Warwick ... Olival 3.45 Market Rasen ... Koral Bay 4.00 Warwick ... Vicars Destiny 4.15 Market Rasen ... Le Royal 4.15 Market Rasen ... Miss Holly 4.45 Market Rasen ... I Got Rhythm 4.45 Market Rasen ... Two T'Three Weeks 5.00 Warwick ...

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Better, yes ... feeling a little less uncomfortable and distinctly less embarrassed ... So ... Results Update: day 159 ...

Sarah's Quay 2.15 Market Rasen ... 9/1, 8.8, £34.46 Major Catch 2.30 Warwick ... 15/2, 8.8, £34.46 Exceptionnel 3.00 Warwick ... 7/2, 5.4, £51.69 Cabrillo 3.15 Market Rasen ... 9/4, 3.2, £86.15 Graceful Dancer 3.30 Warwick ... 9/1, 7.0, £51.69 Olival 3.45 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 5.2, £51.69 Koral Bay 4.00 Warwick ... 14/1, 11.0, £34.46 Vicars Destiny 4.15 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 6.6, £51.69 Le Royal 4.15 Market Rasen ... 5/1, 6.8, £51.69 Miss Holly 4.45 Market Rasen ... 3/1, 4.4, £51.69 I Got Rhythm 4.45 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 Two T'Three Weeks 5.00 Warwick ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 Comments: Today's takings £572.89 (that's £603.05 less 5% commission); no losses ... The bank has recovered (for the moment!) to £8241.32, tomorrow's stakes are unchanged and we still have £150 left to recover to get the month back into profit, here ... :-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £572.89 Tomorrow's bank: £8241.32 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.47%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.79%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 174.71%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 12 selections = 100% March strike-rate: 79 wins from 96 selections = 82.29% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1242 wins from 1483 selections = 83.75%

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Nice day 8) __________________ Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke #712

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Very nice......again #714

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The Hundred-And-Sixtieth Day ... Monday 13th March ... Marque Deposee 2.20 Taunton ... Pedler's Profiles 2.20 Taunton ... Sistema 3.10 Stratford ... Little Venus 3.20 Taunton ... Pietro Vannucci 3.40 Stratford ... Lucky Sinna 4.50 Taunton ... Whitewater Dash 5.10 Stratford ... La Dame Brune 5.10 Stratford ... Blaeberry 5.20 Taunton ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #715

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Results Update: day 160 ...

Marque Deposee 2.20 Taunton ... 4/1, 6.8, £51.69 Pedler's Profiles 2.20 Taunton ... 15/2, 10.5, £34.46 Sistema 3.10 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 Little Venus 3.20 Taunton ... 11/1, 10.5, £34.46 Pietro Vannucci 3.40 Stratford ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 Lucky Sinna 4.50 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.7, £51.69 Whitewater Dash 5.10 Stratford ... 9/2, 6.2, £51.69 La Dame Brune 5.10 Stratford ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 Blaeberry 5.20 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.3, £51.69 :'( Comments: I hated the last race as soon as Lady Maranzi became a non-runner ... but this occasionally happens ... :P Today's takings £343.74 (that's £361.83 less 5% commission); but the loss of £222.27 on Blaeberry brings that down to a net profit of £121.47 on the day ... :-X The bank has recovered to £8362.79 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... :-\ Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £121.47 Tomorrow's bank: £8362.79 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.47% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.35%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 178.76% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89% March strike-rate: 87 wins from 105 selections = 82.86% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1250 wins from 1492 selections = 83.78%

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-First Day ... Tuesday 14th March ... Had a few interesting ones to have difficulties with heavy going at Sedgefield today, but unfortunately the snow has come along and laid the whole lot ... Still, I'm laying these ... Mystery Pips 2.25 Southwell ... A Teen 2.25 Southwell ... On The Trail 2.25 Southwell ... Misty Princess 2.25 Southwell ... Accordion Etoile 2.35 Cheltenham ... Heathyards Joy 3.05 Southwell ... Hardy Eustace 3.15 Cheltenham ... Elaala 3.45 Southwell ... Alderburn 4.00 Cheltenham ... Dun Doire 4.00 Cheltenham ... Native Jack 4.40 Cheltenham ... Lasting Love 5.10 Southwell ... Rosecliff 5.20 Cheltenham ...

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Maria,

Going for broke in the 2.25 then? #718

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Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles Going for broke in the 2.25 then?

No; going for £172.30, I hope ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #719

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Results Update: day 161 ...

Mystery Pips 2.25 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.2, £51.69 A Teen 2.25 Southwell ... 4/1, 4.3, £51.69 ;D On The Trail 2.25 Southwell ... 13/2, 9.2, £34.46 ;D Misty Princess 2.25 Southwell ... 13/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Accordion Etoile 2.35 Cheltenham ... 7/1, 8.4, £34.46 ;D Heathyards Joy 3.05 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Hardy Eustace 3.15 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.0, £51.69 ;D Elaala 3.45 Southwell ... 8/1, 8.2, £34.46 Alderburn 4.00 Cheltenham ... 8/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D Dun Doire 4.00 Cheltenham ... 7/1, 9.0, £34.46 Native Jack 4.40 Cheltenham ... 7/2, 4.6, £51.69 Lasting Love 5.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Rosecliff 5.20 Cheltenham ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Comments: Disaster City ... combination of bad results and laying to some bad prices ... :-[ Today's takings £360.10 (that's £379.06 less 5% commission); losses totalling a horrible £926.99 produced a net deficit on the day of £566.89 ... March is turning into a very, very difficult month, just like it was last year. Quite possibly no "moral" here, and it would certainly be very premature on this basis to give March a miss next year: out of 12 months of the year there are bound to be a couple that duplicate last year's pattern just randomly ... The bank has fallen back to £7795.90 (and I so wanted to stay above £8000!) and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£566.89) Tomorrow's bank: £7795.90 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (6.78%) - that's dreadful! ... Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (7.1%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 159.86%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 13 selections = 69.23% ...

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March strike-rate: 96 wins from 118 selections = 81.36% ... Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1259 wins from 1505 selections = 83.65% :-[ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #720

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Here we go, then, with the Hundred-And-Sixty-Twoth Day ... Wednesday 15th March ...

Is it the "ides of March" ... ??? Hope Julius Caesar isn't running today ... I'm laying these ... Nimello 2.15 Wolverhampton ... Roman Court 3.00 Huntingdon ... Sett Aside 3.00 Huntingdon ... Upright Ima 3.45 Huntingdon ... Coralbrook 4.25 Huntingdon ... Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon ... Nan Jan 4.55 Wolverhampton ... Fantastic Arts 5.05 Huntingdon ... Ellerslie George 5.40 Huntingdon ... Marine Life 5.40 Huntingdon ...

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Results Update: day 162 ... Nimello 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Roman Court 3.00 Huntingdon ... 4/1, 6.8, £51.69 ;D Sett Aside 3.00 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Upright Ima 3.45 Huntingdon ... 9/2, 6.6, £51.69 ;D Coralbrook 4.25 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 8.8, £34.46 ;D Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon ... 9/2, 5.6, £51.69 Nan Jan 4.55 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Fantastic Arts 5.05 Huntingdon ... 9/2, 6.2, £51.69 ;D Ellerslie George 5.40 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Marine Life 5.40 Huntingdon ... 7/2, 5.1, £51.69 ;D Comments: Today's takings £376.47 (that's £396.29 less 5% commission); but the loss of £237.78 on Ocean Tide sadly brings that down to a net profit on the day of only £138.69 ... :-\ The bank is now £7934.59 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £138.69 Tomorrow's bank: £7934.59 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.72% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (5.45%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 164.48% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% March strike-rate: 105 wins from 128 selections = 82.03% ... Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1268 wins from 1515 selections = 83.7% :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Maria, have been following this thread for a couple of weeks & been finding difficult to get prices matched at 11.0 for some of the longer priced selections. I have been doing to 1/10th stakes of you (£3.44 as opposed to £34.46) One today was nimello - you said you got £34.46 matched at 11.0, but on the betfair site, only £19 actually got matched at 11.0 or below. Wondered if you were using a different exchange - if so what. thanks GT #723

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Hi, Sorry to hear that - and slightly surprised in this case (though not in a couple of other recent ones) because the SP of Nimello was only 10/1 anyway ... Nan Jan, on the other hand, started at 12/1 (no great surprise) but it was very easy to get matched at 11.0 ... To be honest, on Nimello I got more than £34.46 matched at an average of 11 (alright, maybe 11.3 or something ...), because I've actually been increasing my own stakes a little bit more than is shown in my results-posts here, which are very slightly

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"simplified" ... But to the general observation that sometimes I'll be laying something at 11.0 and it might not quite be possible for someone reading the thread to get matched within the cut-off, I can only really plead guilty occasionally, and apologise for it. If they're drifting (and you probably know that I believe that more drift than shorten, especially in that sort of price-range, although I acknowledge that other people may look at it differently), I do sometimes get on good and early and then do the typing after that. But I hope and trust (and certainly believe, from feedback) that overall what's going on here is pretty easily duplicable by people erring on the early side and leaving positions unmatched ... 8) I know that Janis and some others use 12.0 as their cut-off for selections I've given around 11.0, and say so openly; and whereas I don't blame them at all and sometimes do more or less the same myself (and unlike with the nasty shorties, fortunately it's really, really exceptional for me to have an accident at that sort of price!), I don't really want to start telling everyone that the cut-off's 12, because then people will lay at 12.5 average making their cut-off effectively 13.0 and so on. I admit that doing this would actually increase the profits, but it's too messy and complicated for now, and I'm aware that some aspects of this whole thread are so messy and complicated anyway that some people find the whole thing terribly off-putting ... But to answer your actual question: I very rarely use Betdaq for anything ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #724

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I think the same sort of thing happened on Sunday with Koral Bay, no money was matched at all at 11's, but I think people are taking the thread too literally, at the end of the day I am just very pleased that you post your selections. I don't lay all of your selections but I use them selectively to confirm my own opinions.

Thanks for all your efforts!

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Hi Maria, The only one that let you down today, Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon, was 9.4 when you posted your selections. Very shrewd move to wait until just before the off to get matched at 5.6. It's all about experience and timing. Good luck tomorrow. #726

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Hello again MayoMan ... Quote:

Originally Posted by MayoMan Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon, was 9.4 when you posted your selections. Very shrewd move to wait until just before the off to get matched at 5.6. I have it down on my bit of paper as originally 10.0, actually ... but that might have been a bit before I posted. The ones that shorten as consistently as that are the easy ones, though ... unfortunately I've been having some of the other kind recently too, which is partly why it's still looking a thoroughly bad month here ... but thank you, and good luck to you also, as ever ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #727

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Third Day ... Thursday 16th March ... Mossmann Gorge 1.20 Southwell ... Regency Red 1.20 Southwell ... Priorina 1.50 Southwell ... Franky'n'jonny 1.50 Southwell ... Pawn In Life 2.25 Southwell ... Roman Empire 3.05 Southwell ... Tour d'Amour 3.45 Southwell ... Mr Cheers 3.45 Southwell ... Khanjar 4.30 Southwell ... Blue Business 4.40 Cheltenham ... Miss Lopez 5.10 Southwell ... On Khanjar I have already laid to 11.0 (rightly or wrongly - its price is swinging up and down a bit at the moment) ... my stake £344.60 for £34.46 less commission ... On Blue Business I have already laid to 8.0 (rightly, I think) ... my stake £361.83 for £51.69 less commission ... Good luck today! ... 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #728

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Results Update: day 163 ...

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Mossmann Gorge 1.20 Southwell ... 15/8, 3.2, £86.15 ;D Regency Red 1.20 Southwell ... 13/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Priorina 1.50 Southwell ... 7/2, 7.0, £51.69 ;D Franky'n'jonny 1.50 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.4, £51.69 ;D Pawn In Life 2.25 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Roman Empire 3.05 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Tour d'Amour 3.45 Southwell ... 4/1, 5.6, £51.69 Mr Cheers 3.45 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Khanjar 4.30 Southwell ... 14/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Blue Business 4.40 Cheltenham ... 10/1, 8.0, £34.46 ;D Miss Lopez 5.10 Southwell ... 11/4, 4.0, £51.69 Comments: Very disappointing, especially the last one ... laid both the winners to bad prices, could easily have done better with hindsight (as so often) ...

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Today's takings £441.94 (that's £465.21 less 5% commission); but the losses totalling £392.85 bring that down to a net profit on the day of only £49.09 ... :-\ The bank is now £7983.68 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... A very difficult month ... I will be very relieved if and when we get to May 1st relatively intact: I expect to do better then, for the last 4 months of our year ... : If I can somehow finish this month without a loss to carry forward, I'll be very happy about it ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £49.09 Tomorrow's bank: £7983.68 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.62% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.87%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 166.12% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82% :P March strike-rate: 114 wins from 139 selections = 82.01% ... Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1277 wins from 1526 selections = 83.68% :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Fourth Day ... Friday 17th March ... Is today going to be the day we get back above £8000 and stay there (pretty pretty please)? ... ??? I'm laying these ... Mighty Kitchener 1.50 Lingfield ... Special Moment 1.50 Lingfield (dangerous shortie) ... Sweetest Revenge 2.25 Lingfield ... Plateau 2.25 Lingfield ... Arkholme 2.50 Fakenham ... Ethan Snowflake 2.50 Fakenham ... Digger Boy 3.05 Lingfield ... Jaffa 3.30 Fakenham ... Nuit Sombre 3.45 Lingfield ... Lightning Strikes 4.15 Fakenham ... Kindlelight Debut 4.30 Lingfield ... Island Rapture 4.30 Lingfield ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #730

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Results Update: day 164 ... Mighty Kitchener 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 9.0, £34.46 ;D Special Moment 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/4, 2.8, £86.15 ;D Sweetest Revenge 2.25 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Plateau 2.25 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.8, £34.46 ;D Arkholme 2.50 Fakenham ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Ethan Snowflake 2.50 Fakenham ... 13/2, 8.2, £34.46 Digger Boy 3.05 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D Jaffa 3.30 Fakenham ... 9/2, 5.7, £51.69 ;D Nuit Sombre 3.45 Lingfield ... 9/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D Lightning Strikes 4.15 Fakenham ... 7/2, 5.8, £51.69 ;D Kindlelight Debut 4.30 Lingfield ... 7/2, 4.3, £51.69 ;D Island Rapture 4.30 Lingfield ... 9/1, 11.0 £34.46 ;D Comments: Today's takings £458.31 (that's £482.44 less 5% commission); but the loss of £248.12 on Ehtan Snowflake (a big surprise) brings that down to a net profit on the day of £210.19 ... :-\ The bank is now £8148.87 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... I've recovered up past the £8000 mark but still not yet got back up to where I was on the 1st of this month (which was itself not even the highest point) ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £210.19 Tomorrow's bank: £8148.87 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.63% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.9%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 171.63% Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67% 8) March strike-rate: 125 wins from 151 selections = 82.78% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1288 wins from 1538 selections = 83.75%

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Back on the winning trail M Good going __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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17-03-2006, 06:58 PM

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WELL DONE AGAIN NICE TO SEE YOU OVER 8000 AGAIN :-* #733

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Thank you ... But it may not last: I have never before had so many dangerous shorties in one day as today! ...

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Talk about "high risk" ... Looks like five of them between 3.0 and 4.0 and the highest of the eleven below will be only about 8.0 ... It doesn't "mean" anything: it's just the way the selections turned out, and I suppose in every year there has to be a day that's the highest-risk ever, and it may as well be today as any other day ... :

So, rightly or wrongly I'm laying these ... Les Arcs 2.05 Lingfield ... Geordie Peacock 2.15 Wetherby ... Motcombe 2.20 Uttoxeter ... King Bee 2.55 Uttoxeter ... Miss Pross 3.35 Newcastle ... He's The Guv'nor 4.00 Uttoxeter ... Young Lorcan 4.30 Uttoxeter ... Lost in Normandy 4.30 Uttoxeter ... Dead Man's Dante 5.10 Newcastle ... Spitfire Sortie 5.30 Wetherby ... Kilmackilloge 5.40 Newcastle ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #734

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Results Update: day 165 ... Les Arcs 2.05 Lingfield ... 5/2, 3.7, £51.69 :'( Geordie Peacock 2.15 Wetherby ... 13/2, 7.4. £51.69 ;D Motcombe 2.20 Uttoxeter ... 4/1, 5.6, £51.69 ;D King Bee 2.55 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Miss Pross 3.35 Newcastle ... 11/4, 3.75, £51.69 ;D

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He's The Guv'nor 4.00 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 5.4, £51.69 ;D Young Lorcan 4.30 Uttoxeter ... 7/2, 3.8, £51.69 :'( Lost in Normandy 4.30 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Dead Man's Dante 5.10 Newcastle ... 7/2, 5.3, £51.69 ;D Spitfire Sortie 5.30 Wetherby ... 2/1, 3.21, £81.65 ;D Kilmackilloge 5.40 Newcastle ... 9/4, 3.45, £81.65 ;D Comments: All these shorties and you'd think I might manage to take a bit more from Miss Pross and Dead Man's Dante ... not to mention the two that actually won, of course ... Today's takings £498.87 (that's £525.13 less 5% commission); but the loss of £284.30 on a couple of the nasty ones brings that down to a net profit on the day of £214.57 ... :-\

Still losing on the month, even after a reasonable day like today ... The bank is now £8363.44 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Unusual today, to make £200 with a lower strike-rate than average; but the answer to that of course lies in today's average price ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £214.57 Tomorrow's bank: £8363.44 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.63% ... exactly the same percentage as yesterday! ... Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.34%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 178.78% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.81% March strike-rate: 134 wins from 162 selections = 82.72% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1297 wins from 1549 selections = 83.73%

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Sixth Day ... Sunday 19th March ...

Not so many today, but some dangerous shorties anyway ... I'm laying these ... Whatsonyourmind 2.00 Carlisle ... Malaga Boy 2.45 Fontwell ... On Reflection 2.55 Limerick ... Armentieres 3.10 Carlisle Scotmail 3.25 Kelso ... Capybara 3.45 Carlisle ... Elvis Returns 3.45 Carlisle ... Posh Stick 4.55 Carlisle ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #736

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Hi im new to this site (today) and am just looking through some of the topics and came across this one, very impressed with your results keep up the good work 8) How long will you keep posting your selections if you dont mind me asking #737

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Hello Oods, welcome to EBA and thanks for honouring my laying system with your first post here ... I'll probably be posting these until the end of August. I started in the first few days of September last year and planned to post them for 1 year. So all being well, there are 5 full months (plus what's left of March) to go ... and from 1st May the number of selections will be very slightly higher ... I'll be back later with today's results (which didn't hurt for once and we're "in front" again!) ...

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Results Update: day 166 ... Whatsonyourmind 2.00 Carlisle ... 7/2, 3.45, £86.15 ;D Malaga Boy 2.45 Fontwell ... 2/1, 3.35, £86.15 ;D On Reflection 2.55 Limerick ... 1/2, 1.62, £86.15 Armentieres 3.10 Carlisle 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D Scotmail 3.25 Kelso ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D Capybara 3.45 Carlisle ... 9/2, 6.2, £51.69 ;D Elvis Returns 3.45 Carlisle ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D Posh Stick 4.55 Carlisle ... 10/3, 5.7, £51.67 ;D Comments: Today's takings £376.47 (that's £396.29 less 5% commission); and the loss of £53.42

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on On Reflection (a mistake but a cheap mistake) brings that down to a net profit on the day of £323.05 ... The bank is now £8686.49, we're in front for the month (which is a great relief and that this stage almost a surprise to me!) and there'll be new stakes tomorrow: £86.86, £52.11 and £34.74 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £323.05 Tomorrow's bank: £8686.49 Tomorrow's stakes: £86.86, £52.11 and £34.74 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.86% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.51% ... Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 189.55% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5% March strike-rate: 141 wins from 170 selections = 82.94% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1304 wins from 1557 selections = 83.75%

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thanks for reply i dont know whether to get involved or not with this as it probably will finish you off :-\ will keep an eye on this anyway #740

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Much better to keep an eye on it than to jump in in a hurry, I'd say. Laying's a long, slow, gradual business which requires a lot of commitment, a lot of consistency and a lot of patience and discipline (not to mention quite a bit of capital!) ... it tends to be a high turnover, low profit-margin business ... : On a good day like yesterday, I made £323, but look at how enormous my "stake" was (you can see this by adding up all the potential liabilities: it comes to many thousands of pounds, of course, even though that money isn't all "in play" at the same time) ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG 20-03-2006, 12:26 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Seventh Day ... Monday 20th March ... Not the greatest day's racing in history, I think ... ??? I'm laying these ... Herons Ghyll 2.10 Hereford ... Amber Glory 2.20 Southwell ... Byo 2.50 Southwell ... Prince of Gold 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Mount Royale 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Miss Glory Be 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Imperial Rocket 3.40 Hereford ... Blanc Visage 4.20 Southwell ... Dispol Veleta 4.50 Southwell ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Hi Maria I have been a "voyeur" on your system for sometime now and it really looks like it has firm foundations, but as usual it relies on a good ratio of winners to losers. Have read most of your early posts but I don't think it mentions how you make your selections. Is there a "system" behind the system. As I said i think proportional lay idea really gives this system merit and i for one thank you for put the effort in every day posting, it really is appreciated Many thanks Graeme PS Great shoes ;D #743

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Hi Graeme, First, welcome to EBA; secondly, thank you for posting; thirdly, so ... you like nice shoes and you're a "voyeur": you're definitely welcome here; fourthly I suppose I'd better try to answer your question, though inevitably the answer will disappoint: there is a "system behind the system" and it does, as you say, all depend on maintaining a high strike-rate (especially because I lay quite a few at prices like 10.0 and 11.0) ... but I don't comment in public on the underlying system because a girl has to have some limits ... although I don't ever mind sharing the selections after my own bets are on (matched and/or unmatched), I'm worried that if I disclose the system rules (which nobody could possibly work out without my disclosing them!) it's possible that someone with a huge laying bank could "beat me to it" and I wouldn't get my own

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positions matched so easily ... I think I'm not just being paranoid saying this, because I know from PM's and emails that some of the people who are "following" this system are doing so with banks four or five times the size of mine ... and even on Betfair the trading volumes aren't limitless for a dreadful banded race on a wet Monday afternoon, you know ... So to this question my answer (however much I try to pad it out), with apologies, is always basically "no comment" ... :-X

And having said that, it must be time for today's rather lucky results ... Results Update: day 167 ...

Herons Ghyll 2.10 Hereford ... 5/1, 7.2, £52.11 Amber Glory 2.20 Southwell ... 18/1, 10.0, £34.74 Byo 2.50 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.8, £34.74 Prince of Gold 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.74 Mount Royale 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 5.9, £52.11 Miss Glory Be 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 9.2, £34.74 Imperial Rocket 3.40 Hereford ... 9/1, 9.8, £34.74 Blanc Visage 4.20 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.5, £52.11 Dispol Veleta 4.50 Southwell ... 11/4, 4.6, £52.11 Comments: I had 10 selections today and have only just noticed now, putting up the results, that for some reason I only posted 9 of them! The other one, if anyone's really interested, was Gotontheluckyone in the 2.40 at Hereford, which was easily matched at 7.4, not surprisingly since it actually started at 6/1, and was unplaced, but this is all aftertiming now and obviously I'm not including it in the results ... :

Today's takings £363.03 (that's £382.14 less 5% commission); no losses ... The bank has now reached a new high of £9049.52 and there'll be new stakes tomorrow: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £363.03 Tomorrow's bank: £9049.52

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Tomorrow's stakes: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.18% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.84% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 201.65% ... For the moment, of course ... don't forget that it can still come crashing down again tomorrow! ... :-\ Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 9 selections = 100% March strike-rate: 150 wins from 179 selections = 83.8% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1313 wins from 1566 selections = 83.84%

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WELL DONE YOU HAVE A GOOD RIGHT TO SING AND DANCE ;D #745

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Hi Maria, clean sheet yet again. Nothing else expected! lol Wolf #746

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Hello! ... thank you ...

:-*

The Hundred-And-Sixty-Eighth Day (I am getting old, here!) ... Tuesday 21st March ... A couple of ultra-shorties today (suppose they won't cost a fortune if they go wrong) but a couple at 11.0 as well ... a bit of everything, really ... :-\ I'm laying this dozen (or do you say "these dozen"?) ... Wenceslas 2.40 Warwick ... Peggy's First 3.00 Southwell ... Welcome Stranger 3.10 Warwick ... Stack The Pack 3.20 Exeter ... Trebello 3.30 Southwell ... Its Wallace Jnr 3.40 Warwick ... Zariano 4.00 Southwell ... Sriology 4.00 Southwell ... Denvale 4.20 Exeter ... Silver Nun 4.30 Southwell ... Yassooma 4.30 Southwell ... Precious Mystery 5.10 Warwick ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #747

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Results Update: day 168 ...

Wenceslas 2.40 Warwick ... 4/1, 7.0, £54.29 Peggy's First 3.00 Southwell ... 11/1, 9.8, £36.19 Welcome Stranger 3.10 Warwick ... 11/8, 2.45, £90.49 Stack The Pack 3.20 Exeter ... 4/1, 6.0, £54.29 Trebello 3.30 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.8, £54.29 Its Wallace Jnr 3.40 Warwick ... 8/11, 1.84, £90.49 Zariano 4.00 Southwell ... 5/1, 7/0. £54.29 Sriology 4.00 Southwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £36.19 Denvale 4.20 Exeter ... 4/1, 6.6, £54.29 Silver Nun 4.30 Southwell ... 10/1, 6.8, £54.29 Yassooma 4.30 Southwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £36.19 Precious Mystery 5.10 Warwick ... non-runner ... :-\ Comments: Too many accidents today ... Non-runners have been a real pain in the neck today, both with backing and laying. Obviously it was easy to do rather better on the selections above than I've indicated here, allowing for that, but I'll score up - as always - as they are listed above ... :-\ Today's takings £361.01 (that's £380.02 less 5% commission), but losses adding up to £467.83 mean a net loss on the day of £106.82 ... So the bank has slipped back to £8942.70 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£106.82) Tomorrow's bank: £8942.70 Tomorrow's stakes: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.18%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.56% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 198.09

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 11 selections = 72.73%

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March strike-rate: 158 wins from 190 selections = 83.16% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1321 wins from 1577 selections = 83.77%

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Another day (in the case the one-hundred-and-sixty-ninth), another lay ... I'm laying these ... Miss Patricia 1.30 Lingfield ... Riquewihr 2.00 Lingfield ... White On Black 2.10 Chepstow ... Midnight Gunner 2.20 Towcester ... Woodview 2.20 Towcester ... Mujazaf 2.35 Lingfield ... Quizzling 3.15 Chepstow ... Just A Splash 3.25 Towcester ... Golden Bay 4.00 Towcester ... Sasso 4.25 Chepstow ... Wicked Uncle 5.20 Lingfield ... Risington 5.30 Chepstow ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #749

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Results Update: day 169 ...

Miss Patricia 1.30 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.3, £54.29 Riquewihr 2.00 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.3, £54.29 And at that point of the afternoon, £358.32 down, I wasn't feeling too optimistic about the day's laying prospects ... but then fortunately things improved ...

White On Black 2.10 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.4, £54.29 Midnight Gunner 2.20 Towcester ... 15/2, 8.8, £36.19 Woodview 2.20 Towcester ... 9.1, 9.8, £36.19 Mujazaf 2.35 Lingfield ... 7/1, 10.0, £36.19 Quizzling 3.15 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.4, £54.29 Just A Splash 3.25 Towcester ... 10/3, 5.6, £54.29 Golden Bay 4.00 Towcester ... 11/2, 7.4, £54.29 Sasso 4.25 Chepstow ... 13/2, 5.9, £54.29 Wicked Uncle 5.20 Lingfield ... 7/2, 4.8, £54.29 Risington 5.30 Chepstow ... 9/2, 6.0, £54.29 Comments: Miss Patricia and Riquewihr were both a bit optional, really, but it's easy to say that with hindsight, isn't it? ... :P Today's takings £464.17 (that's £488.60 less 5% commission), but losses adding up to £358.32 bring the day's net profit down to a mere £105.86 ... :

Still, it's within £1 of "getting it back from yesterday" ... The bank is now £9048.56 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £105.85) Tomorrow's bank: £9048.56 £8942.70 Tomorrow's stakes: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.18% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.82% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 201.62% ;D Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33% March strike-rate: 168 wins from 202 selections = 83.17% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1331 wins from 1589 selections = 83.76%

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The Hundred-And-Seventieth Day ... Thurday 23rd March ...

And here follows today's unappetising list of a mixture of shorties and stinkers ... Dovedon Hero 1.50 Lingfield ... Beau Supreme 2.00 Ludlow ... Secured 2.00 Ludlow ... Canada Street 2.10 Ayr ... Sands Of Barra 2.55 Lingfield ... Broke Road 3.05 Ludlow ... Lampion Du Bost 3.15 Ayr ... Lutin Du Moulin 3.15 Ayr ... Cyborg De Sou 4.20 Ayr ... One More Round 4.35 Lingfield ... An Capall Dubh 4.45 Ludlow ... One More Step 5.15 Ludlow ... Neutron 5.25 Ayr ...

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Results Update: day 170 ...

Dovedon Hero 1.50 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.3, £54.29 Beau Supreme 2.00 Ludlow ... 4/1, 6.4, £54.29 Secured 2.00 Ludlow ... 8/1, 9.2, £36.19 Canada Street 2.10 Ayr ... 3/1, 5.0, £54.29 Sands Of Barra 2.55 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.4, £54.29 Broke Road 3.05 Ludlow ... 7/4, 2.7, £90.49

damn shorties >

Lampion Du Bost 3.15 Ayr ... 14/1, 11.0, £36.19 Lutin Du Moulin 3.15 Ayr ... 9/2, 7.4, £54.29 Cyborg De Sou 4.20 Ayr ... 4/1, 6.0 £54.29 One More Round 4.35 Lingfield ... 6/1, 6.0 £54.29 An Capall Dubh 4.45 Ludlow ... 10.3, 5.4, £54.29 One More Step 5.15 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.9, £54.29 Neutron 5.25 Ayr ... non-runner ... Comments: Today's takings £532.94 (that's £560.99 less 5% commission), but the loss of £153.84 on the damn shorty which kept getting tipped left right and centre with a

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tumbling price as soon as I'd posted my selections brings the day's net profit down to £379.10 ...

Still, can't complain too much, I suppose ... The bank is now £9427.66 and that means new stakes tomorrow, which will be £94.27, £56.56 and £37.71 ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £379.10 Tomorrow's bank: £9427.66 Tomorrow's stakes: £94.27, £56.56 and £37.71 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.19% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.34% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 214.26%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31% March strike-rate: 180 wins from 215 selections = 83.72% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1343 wins from 1602 selections = 83.83%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-First Day ... Friday 24th March ... Saltrio 2.35 Newbury ... Harris Bay 3.10 Newbury ... Stavordale Lad 3.10 Newbury ... Miss Dagger 3.20 Lingfield ... Cape Of Storms 3.30 Southwell ... Davidia 3.55 Lingfield ... Marriage Value 4.05 Southwell ...

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Stoic Leader 4.30 Lingfield ... Coleorton Dancer 4.40 Southwell ... Rafferty 5.10 Southwell ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #753

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Results Update: day 171 ...

Saltrio 2.35 Newbury ... 11/2, 7.0, £56.56 Harris Bay 3.10 Newbury ... 9/2, 6.0, £56.56 Stavordale Lad 3.10 Newbury ... 13/2, 8.0, £37.71 Miss Dagger 3.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.5, £37.71 Cape Of Storms 3.30 Southwell ... 9/4, 3.4, £94.22 Davidia 3.55 Lingfield ... 9/2, 6.2, £56.56 Marriage Value 4.05 Southwell ... 3/1, 5.4, £56.56 Stoic Leader 4.30 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.0, £56.56 Coleorton Dancer 4.40 Southwell ... 4/1, 7.4, £56.56 Rafferty 5.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 6.8, £56.56 Comments: Today's takings £501.50 (that's £527.90 less 5% commission), but the loss of £263.97 on Stavordale Lad brings the day's net profit down to £237.53 ... The bank is now £9665.19 and that means new stakes tomorrow, which will be £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £237.53 Tomorrow's bank: £9665.19 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.52% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.17% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 222.17% ;D

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% March strike-rate: 189 wins from 225 selections = 84% ;D Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1352 wins from 1612 selections = 83.87%

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Still going Great __________________ Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke #755

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Twoth Day ... Saturday 25th March ... A busy-ish Saturday with Kempton All Weather's first meeting and Wolverhampton this evening too ... I'm laying these ... Cave Of The Giant 1.50 Newbury ... Queen's Dancer 1.50 Newbury ... Cullian 2.05 Bangor ... Akona Matata 2.30 Kempton ... Ross Comm 3.10 Bangor ... Swiper Hill 3.35 Kempton ... Priscilla 4.05 Newbury ... Zalkani 4.10 Kempton ... Celebration Song 4.45 Kempton ... Boldinor 5.15 Kempton ... Little Rocker 5.25 Bangor ... Bijou Dan 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Christmas Player 8.30 Wolverhampton ... Dudley Locker 9.30 Wolverhampton ... Mistral Sky 9.30 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: day 172 ...

Cave Of The Giant 1.50 Newbury ... 5/1, 5.7, £57.99 Queen's Dancer 1.50 Newbury ... 7/1, 8.4, £57.99 Cullian 2.05 Bangor ... 8/1, 6.8, £57.99

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Akona Matata 2.30 Kempton ... 5/1, 6.2, £57.99 Ross Comm 3.10 Bangor ... 4/1, 5.2, £57.99 Swiper Hill 3.35 Kempton ... 5/1, 6.0, £57.99 Priscilla 4.05 Newbury ... 5/2, 3.45, £96.65 Zalkani 4.10 Kempton ... 7/1, 6.6, £57.99 Celebration Song 4.45 Kempton ... 7/2, 5.2, £57.99 Boldinor 5.15 Kempton ... 7/1, 7.4, £57.99 Little Rocker 5.25 Bangor ... 6/1, 7.2, £57.99 Bijou Dan 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.4, £57.99 Christmas Player 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.0, £38.66 Dudley Locker 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 9.4, £38.66 Mistral Sky 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 5.9, £57.99 Comments: Worst day for a long time ... Today's takings £624.35 (that's £657.22 less 5% commission), but the nasty losses add up to £1105.68 (which is more than the total amount I started off laying with less than a couple of years ago, which is a scary thought in a way!) and that means a net loss on the day of £481.33 today ... The bank is now £9183.86 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£481.33) Tomorrow's bank: £9183.86 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.98%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.44% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 206.13%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 15 selections = 73.33% March strike-rate: 200 wins from 240 selections = 83.33% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1363 wins from 1627 selections = 83.77%

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Hi Maria, I am new to horse racing and betting in general. I took an interest after going to a Newbury meet a few months ago. Since then i have had a few quid on over the weeks and have really been enjoying myself. I never new about laying until I stumbled across an article on the channel 4 website. Over the past few days I have been trying to get my head around it and came across your system. I must say you seem to be doing very well and are an inspiration to someone like me. Its great to see this record of how you've done over the past months. You must be very proud of how your system is working for you. Just wanted to say well done and keep up the fantastic work. I hope to learn and understand the way this works until i get involved but have had fun looking through your achievement. Kind regards #758

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Hello Henry - welcome and thanks very much for posting. You have done so right after the worst day I've had for a long time, but that just goes to show that laying's a business of patience and discipline, having your tiny "edge" and exerting it as consistently as possible ...

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Hope that you'll enjoy EBA anyway, now you've shown up ... The Hundred-And-Seventy-Third Day ... Sunday 26th March ... I'm laying these ... Orpen Wide 2.10 Market Rasen ... Young Dude 2.210 Worcester ... Akram 2.40 Market Rasen ... Haile Selassie 2.50 Worcester ... Rookery Lad 2.50 Worcester ... Iris's Prince 3.10 Market Rasen ... Barton Flower 3.50 Worcester ... Forest Miller 4.20 Worcester ... Edge Fund 4.30 Brighton ... Bang And Blame 4.40 Market Rasen ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #759

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Results Update: day 173 ...

Orpen Wide 2.10 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 5.1, £57.99 Young Dude 2.210 Worcester ... 11/4, 3.1, £96.65 Akram 2.40 Market Rasen ... 13/2, 6.8, £57.99 Haile Selassie 2.50 Worcester ... 9/1, 10.5 £38.66 Rookery Lad 2.50 Worcester ... 8/1, 7.4, £57.99 Iris's Prince 3.10 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.4, £38.66 Barton Flower 3.50 Worcester ... 5/1, 7.0, £57.99

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Forest Miller 4.20 Worcester ... 17/2, 8.8, £38.66 Edge Fund 4.30 Brighton ... non-runner (meeting abandoned) Bang And Blame 4.40 Market Rasen ... 13/2, 7.8, £38.66 Comments: This last result was particularly unpleasant for me, because it just beat a horse on which I had a large win bet ... I suppose the results could have been worse, in a sense: Akram and Bang And Blame (to my surprise) both started at 13/2, and if I'd had to swap round the two prices at which I'd laid them, I would only have made about £85 on the day instead of about £160, so I shouldn't complain too much ... :-\ Today's takings £422.36 (that's £444.59 less 5% commission), but the nasty loss of £262.89 brings that down to a net £159.47 on the day ... The bank is now £9343.33 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £159.47 Tomorrow's bank: £9343.33 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.74% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.34% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 211.44% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89% March strike-rate: 208 wins from 249 selections = 83.53% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1371 wins from 1636 selections = 83.8%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Fourth Day ... Monday 27th March ... Still got ground to make up here, and coming up to the end of the month ... :-\ Let's see if opposing this lot can produce some money today ... ??? Granny Peel 2.10 Kempton ... Chillin Out 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Royal Melbourne 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Headland 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Froghole Flyer 3.50 Plumpton ... Zeloso 4.20 Plumpton ... Geography 4.20 Plumpton ... Christmas Truce 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Ri Na Realta 4.50 Plumpton ... Hilversum 5.00 Wolverhampton ... Diamond Dan 5.00 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Results Update: day 174 ...

Granny Peel 2.10 Kempton ... 8/1, 11.0, £38.66 Chillin Out 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.4, £57.99 Royal Melbourne 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.8, £57.99 Headland 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.8, £57.99 Froghole Flyer 3.50 Plumpton ... 7/1, 6.6, £57.99

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Zeloso 4.20 Plumpton ... 5/1, 6.4, £57.99 Geography 4.20 Plumpton ... 10/1, 9.0, £38.66 Christmas Truce 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 8.8, £38.66 Ri Na Realta 4.50 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £57.99 Hilversum 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 11.0, £38.66 Diamond Dan 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.2, £57.99 Comments: Just like yesterday, this last result was particularly unpleasant for me, because it beat a horse on which I had quite a lot of money, too ... I have not been enjoying March's laying very much. Last year April wasn't a thing of beauty either, so we'll have to change that this year ... Today's takings exactly the same as yesterday's: £422.36 (and that's still £444.59 less 5% commission on a Monday as well), but today the nasty losses added up to £568.31 which is a bit different, and brings in a net loss of £145.95 on the day ... The bank is now £9197.38 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£145.95) Tomorrow's bank: £9197.38 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.56%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.6% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 206.58% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82% March strike-rate: 217 wins from 260 selections = 83.46% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1380 wins from 1647 selections = 83.79%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 28th March ... Plenty to lay today ... especially if all my current "unmatched at 7.4" positions are taken, which is quite likely ... Tommytyler 2.50 Southwell ... Water Taxi 3.00 Sedgefield ... Hail The Chief 3.10 Folkestone ... Justcallmehandsome 3.20 Southwell ... Mount Royale 3.20 Southwell ... Dark Thunder 3.30 Sedgefield ... Moustique De L'Is 3.30 Sedgefield ... Ocean Tide 3.30 Sedgefield ... Rationale 3.40 Folkestone ... Scott's Mill 3.50 Southwell ... Assumption 4.10 Folkestone ... Cuesta Canyon 4.20 Southwell ... King Zafeen 4.50 Southwell ... Kentucky Bullet 5.20 Southwell ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #763

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Results Update: day 175 ... Tommytyler 2.50 Southwell ... 5/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D Water Taxi 3.00 Sedgefield ... 3/1, 4.3, £57.99 ;D Hail The Chief 3.10 Folkestone ... 11/2, 6.8, £57.99 :'( Justcallmehandsome 3.20 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.8, £38.66 ;D Mount Royale 3.20 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.8, £57.99 ;D Dark Thunder 3.30 Sedgefield ... 4/1, 5.8, £57.99 ;D Moustique De L'Isl 3.30 Sedgefield ... 7/2, 4.8, £57.99 :'( Ocean Tide 3.30 Sedgefield ... 7/2, 4.7, £57.99 ;D Rationale 3.40 Folkestone ... 5/2, 3.45, £96.65 ;D Scott's Mill 3.50 Southwell ... 9/2, 6.2, £57.99 ;D Assumption 4.10 Folkestone ... 11/2, 7.0, £57.99 :'( Cuesta Canyon 4.20 Southwell ... 9/2, 6.4, £57.99 ;D King Zafeen 4.50 Southwell ... 9/4, 3.45, £96.65 ;D Kentucky Bullet 5.20 Southwell ... 6/1, 6.2, £57.99 ;D Comments: Today's takings £661.08 (that's £695.88 less 5% commission), but nasty losses adding up to £904.66 bring in a net loss of £243.58 on the day ... The bank is now £8935.80 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: (£243.58) Tomorrow's bank: £8935.80 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.65%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.48% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 197.86%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.57% > March strike-rate: 228 wins from 274 selections = 83.21% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1391 wins from 1661 selections = 83.74%

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Still doing fine, Maria! Wolf #765

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 29th March ... I'm laying these ... Hambaphambili 2.10 Taunton ... Boddidley 2.40 Taunton ... Fight The Feeling 2.40 Taunton ... Tequila Rose 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Blaeberry 3.10 Taunton ... Le Volfoni 3.10 Taunton ... Bobski 3.50 Yarmouth ... Nikolaev 4.10 Taunton ... Ski Jump 4.20 Yarmouth ... Elms Schoolboy 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Namroc 4.50 Yarmouth ... Kelv 5.10 Taunton ... I'm already matched at 10.5 on Fight The Feeling in the 2.40 at Taunton, which may drift. I'll be including it in the results, obviously, but I wouldn't want to put anyone off laying it at a higher price than normal for this thread, because I understand it really has very little chance today ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #766

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Results Update: day 176 ... Hambaphambili 2.10 Taunton ... 15/2, 8.6, £38.66 ;D Boddidley 2.40 Taunton ... 7/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D Fight The Feeling 2.40 Taunton ... 14/1, 11.0, £38.66 ;D Tequila Rose 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.0, £57.99 ;D Blaeberry 3.10 Taunton ... 12/1, 11.0, £38.66 ;D Le Volfoni 3.10 Taunton ... 3/1, 4.2, £57.99 ;D Bobski 3.50 Yarmouth ... 5/2, 3.45, £96.65 ;D Nikolaev 4.10 Taunton ... 6/1, 7.2, £57.99 ;D Ski Jump 4.20 Yarmouth ... 5/1, 5.6, £57.99 ;D ... 1400th lay win since posting here ... Elms Schoolboy 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.4, £38.66 :'( Namroc 4.50 Yarmouth ... 11/2, 4.8, £57.99 ;D Kelv 5.10 Taunton ... 5/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D Comments: Nice of the ever-reliable Elms Schoolboy to come to my assistance today ... Today's takings £587.63 (that's £618.56 less 5% commission); loss of £324.75; net profit on the day of £262.88 ... The bank is now £9198.68 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £262.88 Tomorrow's bank: £9198.68 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.94% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.61% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 206.62% Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67% March strike-rate: 239 wins from 286 selections = 83.57% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1402 wins from 1673 selections = 83.8%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Seventh Day ... Thursday 30th March ... One of those unpleasant, relatively high-risk days with not many selections when I just hope somehow to get through the day without an accident ... ??? I'm laying these ... Shiny Thing 2.10 Wincanton ... Sole Agent 2.10 Wincanton ... Darker Than Blue 3.05 Lingfield ... Christopher 3.50 Wincanton ... Katchit 4.10 Lingfield ... Patternmaker 5.15 Lingfield ... Berti Bertolini 5.45 Lingfield ... Good luck! ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #770

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Results Update: day 177 ... Shiny Thing 2.10 Wincanton ... 4/1, 5.1, £57.99 ;D Sole Agent 2.10 Wincanton ... 6/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D Darker Than Blue 3.05 Lingfield ... 20/1 (opened 9/1), 11.0, £38.66 ;D Christopher 3.50 Wincanton ... 3/1, 4.8, £57.99 ;D Katchit 4.10 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.8, £57.99 ;D Patternmaker 5.15 Lingfield ... 7/1, 11.0, £38.66 ;D Berti Bertolini 5.45 Lingfield ... 9/1, 10.5, £38.66 ;D Comments:

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Got away with it, today (feels like) ... today's takings £330.54 (that's £347.94 less 5% commission); no losses ... The bank is now £9529.22 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Last day of the month coming up tomorrow - this month has felt so difficult but only one more day to survive it now! ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00 Profit/(loss) today: £330.54 Tomorrow's bank: £9529.22 Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.59% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.55% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 217.64% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% 8) March strike-rate: 246 wins from 293 selections = 83.96% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1409 wins from 1680 selections = 83.87%

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Is that 10k __________________ Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke #782

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Results Update: day 179 ... Quote:

Originally Posted by favs Is that 10k

I don't always manage to keep it when I've reached it, but for now, anyway ...

Urban Warrior 2.30 Southwell ... 3/10, 1.4, £97.86 Stagecoach Opal 2.50 Kelso ... 8/1, 11.0, £39.14 Mr Prickle 3.20 Kelso ... 5/1, 6.6, £58.71 Tag Team 3.30 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.0, £58.71 Diane's Choice 3.40 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.4, £58.71 Easy Air 4.10 Lingfield ... 10/11, 2.0, £97.86 Shares 4.20 Kelso ... 11/2, 6.8, £58.71 Titus Lumpus 4.40 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £58.71 Mister Incredible 5.00 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £58.71 Doctor Dennis 5.30 Southwell ... 9/2, 6.4, £58.71 Comments: Today's takings £520.57 (that's £547.97 less 5% commission); loss of £97.86; net profit on the day of £422.71 ...

So the bank has now reached a new high point at £10209.01 ... And that means new stakes tomorrow, which will be £102.09, £61.25 and £40.83 ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £422.71 Tomorrow's bank: £10209.01 Tomorrow's stakes: £102.09, £61.25 and £40.83 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.32% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.32% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 240.3% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% April strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1424 wins from 1696 selections = 83.96% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #783

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well done maria great bit of work DD #784

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Well done Maria And you deserve every penny GREG ;D #786

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Oooh, thank you! ;D Tuesday 4th April ... sorry, but I'm really not laying today: I have very, very few possibilities at Warwick, and for laying I really don't much like heavy going (Pontefract) or banded races (Southwell: it seems to me that in these banded races, a lot of the horses don't ever seem to manage two or three consecutive similar runs, so that makes it terribly difficult for me to try to "predict" what can happen. I'm not suddenly dropping banded AW races from the laying system, but today just looks particularly difficult, and in combination with heavy going at Pontefract and very few selections at Warwick, that makes it a sneaky day off ...) ... :

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Great thread maria great profit top lady and fantastic smileys too ;D #788

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I see, trying to hold on to your money, Maria? It looks really good so far. At this rate you should easily make £15,000 clear. I am certain you will make it! Wolf #789

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Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Eightiethe Day ... Wednesday 5th April ... Quite a few to lay today ... :-\ Double M 2.20 Kempton ... Fuss 2.30 Exeter ... The Jailer 2.50 Kempton ... Carl's Boy 3.10 Hereford ... Hill Forts Henry 3.10 Hereford ... Double Ransom 3.20 Kempton ... Eljay's Boy 3.40 Hereford ... Mandica 3.40 Hereford ... Supreme Tadgh 3.40 Hereford ... Waltzing Beau 4.00 Exeter ... Dun An Doras 4.30 Exeter ... Ede'iff 4.40 Hereford ... Equilibria 4.50 Kempton ... Inishturk 5.10 Hereford ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #790

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Results Update: day 180 ...

Double M 2.20 Kempton ... 9/1, 10.5, £40.83 Fuss 2.30 Exeter ... 8/1, 11.0, £40.83 The Jailer 2.50 Kempton ... 13/2, 8.8, £40.83 Carl's Boy 3.10 Hereford ... 15/2, 11.0, £40.83 Hill Forts Henry 3.10 Hereford ... 13/2, 8.4, £40.83 Double Ransom 3.20 Kempton ... 9/1, 11.0, £40.83

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Eljay's Boy 3.40 Hereford ... 9/1, 9.8, £40.83 Mandica 3.40 Hereford ... 8/1, 11.0, £40.83 Supreme Tadgh 3.40 Hereford ... 11/2, 6.8, £61.25 Waltzing Beau 4.00 Exeter ... 6/1, 6.0, £61.25 Dun An Doras 4.30 Exeter ... 9/2, 7.4, £61.25 Ede'iff 4.40 Hereford ... 9/1, 11.0, £40.83 Equilibria 4.50 Kempton ... 4/1, 7.0, £61.25 Inishturk 5.10 Hereford ... non-runner

Comments: Today's takings £543.05 (that's £571.64 less 5% commission); nasty loss of £302.14; net profit on the day of £240.91 ...

So the bank has now reached a new high point at £10449.92 ... New stakes tomorrow: £104.49, £62.70 and £41.80 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £240.91 Tomorrow's bank: £10449.92 Tomorrow's stakes: £104.49, £62.70 and £41.80 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.36% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.78% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 248.33% Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31% April strike-rate: 21 wins from 23 selections = 91.3% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1436 wins from 1709 selections = 84.03%, which I really didn't expect, and it's significantly better than the same point the previous year, but I still expect this to average out at less than 84% by the end of the year ...

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Well done, Maria, another profitable day! #792

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Well done M

You must have nerves of steel ;D

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hi Maria Thank you for such a good thread and all the effort you have put in.I have been laying horses since december and now check your selections everyday.Do you find as form settels out say july time your lays become more succesful or do you find from your records that you cannot pinpoint good from bad months.i do not copy your selections

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as i work between 3.0 and 7.0 on the exchanges and lay to a fix stake for example if my betting bank is 2300 pounds i multply this figure by .67% on the 2300 pounds this would be £15.41 p if i laid a horse at 5.0 i would pay out £61.64p.The figure for laying goes up and down with the bank. one thing that gives me confidence is that if you lay the same horse i lay 15 out of 15 so far 100% #794

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Awesome thread Maria - well done on new high point of bank #795

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Oooh, thank you ... it's only a lucky run really: I can have some terrible runs as well, you know! ... > I always worry that people wait for a really good run and then they think "Ok, I trust this thread, I will start backing them now" and they catch a bad period and get put off, and then stop before the next good run ... it's terribly easy to "follow" something that's making profits and make losses yourself, I know ... :-[ :-\ ... which is why I always say "patience and discipline" and I'm saying it to myself as much as to anyone else, of course ... Quote:

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Do you find as form settels out say july time your lays become more succesful or do you find from your records that you cannot pinpoint good from bad months. Honestly I haven't done it for long enough to know this ... last "year" (I mean September 04 to 05) was my first complete and reliable year. March and April were both bad months. I did better from June to September than for any other 4-month period, but I think that this was just because my system produces more selections at this time of the year than at other times. I'm making a constant "edge" (of about 1.5% or whatever it is?) with the system, I think, so the more selections I can produce, and the more turnover I have, the more I'm making with it. I don't think there's anything more subtle or complicated to it than this. But I don't really know ... Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsbunney i do not copy your selections as i work between 3.0 and 7.0 on the exchanges and lay to a fix stake for example if my betting bank is 2300 pounds i multply this figure by .67% on the 2300 pounds this would be £15.41 p if i laid a horse at 5.0 i would pay out £61.64p.The figure for laying goes up and down with the bank. Yes; I understand. My father does about the same thing as you (but with a very different and wider price-range). Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsbunney one thing that gives me confidence is that if you lay the same horse i lay 15 out of 15 so far 100% Oooh, I hope that holds up! But somehow I doubt it ... 15 selections is really nothing, you know ... but I'm still pleased to hear it and I'll really be interested in seeing further figures when you have them ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #796

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-First Day ... Thursday 6th April ... No All-Weather today ... :'( And a big, difficult meeting at Aintree, which seems nearly as hard as Cheltenham was ... So, not quite so many to lay here today ... :-[ Fool Me 2.10 Leicester ... Penny's Crown 2.20 Taunton ... Coalite 2.45 Leicester ... Fair Along 3.10 Aintree ... The Composer 3.30 Taunton ... Mansony 4.20 Aintree ... Yeoman Sailor 5.15 Taunton ... Commando Scott 5.40 Leicester ... Adare Prince 5.50 Taunton ...

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Results Update: day 181 ...

Fool Me 2.10 Leicester ... 7/1, 11.0, £41.80 Penny's Crown 2.20 Taunton ... 15/2, 6.6, £62.70 Coalite 2.45 Leicester ... 4/1, 4.8, £62.70 Fair Along 3.10 Aintree ... 9/2, 5.7, £62.70 The Composer 3.30 Taunton ... 8/1, 9.6, £41.80

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Mansony 4.20 Aintree ... 6/1, 7.4, £62.70 Yeoman Sailor 5.15 Taunton ... non-runner Commando Scott 5.40 Leicester ... 11/2, 7.4, £62.70 Adare Prince 5.50 Taunton ... non-runner

Comments: Got away with it today (apart from the non-runners at Taunton) ... today's takings £377.24 (that's £397.10 less 5% commission); no losses ...

So the bank has now reached a new high point at £10827.16 ... New stakes tomorrow: £108.27, £64.96 and £43.30 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £377.24 Tomorrow's bank: £10827.16 Tomorrow's stakes: £108.27, £64.96 and £43.30 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.61% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 10.64% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 260.91%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% April strike-rate: 28 wins from 30 selections = 93.33% (it won't last!!) Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1443 wins from 1716 selections = 84.09% (you can put money on this dropping back to something between 83 and 84% - if you like spreadbetting, go short at 84.09 with a tight stop and you won't lose!)

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Congrats on another good day. #799

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Well done Maria, you have a new fan , me !--have only been on this site for a few weeks and have been following your lays with great interest also the way you are operating your system-- keep up the good work Regards Peter #800

06-04-2006, 09:11 PM Join Date: Sep 2003

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Not bad Maria, not bad at all! Wolf

07-04-2006, 12:10 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Second Day ... Friday 7th April ...

A bit nervous of Aintree, but what can you do? ... ??? Anyway, eleven today: I'm laying these ... Agnes Pearl 2.55 Southwell ... (there's so little liquidity for this race at the moment that I'm not certain how anyone can back or lay anything, but that will doubtless change ... ) ... Central House 3.10 Aintree ... Fondmort 3.10 Aintree ... The Grey Man 4.05 Southwell ... Conna Castle 4.20 Aintree ... Tullochrome 4.30 Lingfield ... Otis B Driftwood 4.40 Southwell ... Lacdoudal 4.55 Aintree ... Star Magnitude 5.05 Lingfield ... Royal Axminster 5.15 Southwell ... Phar Bleu 5.30 Aintree ...

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Results Update: day 182 ...

Agnes Pearl 2.55 Southwell ... 16/1, op 9/1, 11.0 £43.40 Central House 3.10 Aintree ... 7/1, 8.4, £43.30 Fondmort 3.10 Aintree ... 6/1, 7.4, £64.96

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The Grey Man 4.05 Southwell ... 8/1, 7.4, £64.96 Conna Castle 4.20 Aintree ... 9/2, 7.0, £64.96 Tullochrome 4.30 Lingfield ... 11/1, 11.0, £43.30 Otis B Driftwood 4.40 Southwell ... 15/2, 8.8, £43.30 Lacdoudal 4.55 Aintree ... 13/2, 7.2, £64.96 Star Magnitude 5.05 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.6, £43.30 Royal Axminster 5.15 Southwell ... 15/2, 5.8, £64.96 Phar Bleu 5.30 Aintree ... 8/1, 11.0, £43.30

Comments: Just one nasty accident turned what could have been a brilliant day into just an ok day ... but that's laying ... Today's takings £514.23 (that's £541.30 less 5% commission); nasty loss of £329.08 brings that down to a net profit of £185.15 on the day ... sounds great, I know, but now the bank's building up that's actually only 1.71% ...

Still, the bank has now reached a new high point at £11012.31 ... New stakes tomorrow: £110.12, £66.07 and £44.04 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £185.15 Tomorrow's bank: £11012.31 Tomorrow's stakes: £110.12, £66.07 and £44.04 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.71% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.53% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 267.08% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91% April strike-rate: 38 wins from 41 selections = 92.68% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1453 wins from 1727 selections = 84.13% (temporarily!)

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07-04-2006, 06:17 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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Maria I keep thinking one day your going to get hammered but you never do Moneymaking machine ! #804

08-04-2006, 01:05 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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I wish! No, I can get hammered too ... very occasionally I lose about 9% or 10% of the bank in a day and then it can take a month or more to get it back ... :P : __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #805

08-04-2006, 12:12 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Third Day ... Saturday 8th April ... Not so much today, for a Saturday ... :-\ Mrs Crossy 1.40 Lingfield ... Noble Request 1.45 Aintree ... Neveesou 1.45 Aintree ... Al Eile 2.50 Aintree ... Mickey Pearce 3.35 Chepstow ... Cape Of Storms 3.50 Lingfield ... Burton Ash 4.30 Lingfield ... Five Alley 4.45 Chepstow ... Mars Rock 5.15 Chepstow ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #806

08-04-2006, 05:03 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 183 ...

Mrs Crossy 1.40 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £44.04 Noble Request 1.45 Aintree ... 9/1, 10.5, £44.04 Neveesou 1.45 Aintree ... 13/2, 9.6, £44.04 Al Eile 2.50 Aintree ... 10/3, 4.5, £66.07 Mickey Pearce 3.35 Chepstow ... 12/1, 11.0, £44.04 Cape Of Storms 3.50 Lingfield ... 11/2, 7.4, £66.07 Burton Ash 4.30 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £66.07

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Five Alley 4.45 Chepstow ... 13/2, 7.4, £66.07 Mars Rock 5.15 Chepstow ... 6/4, 2.6, £110.12

Comments: Yesterday's comment will do here: "Just one nasty accident turned what could have been a brilliant day into just an ok day ... but that's laying" ... Today's takings £418.41 (that's £440.44 less 5% commission); nasty loss of £176.19 on the last one brings that down to a net profit of £242.22 on the day ... well, it's a bit better than yesterday and it all adds up ...

The bank has now reached a new high point at £11254.53 ... New stakes tomorrow: £112.54, £67.52 and £45.01 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £242.22 Tomorrow's bank: £11254.53 Tomorrow's stakes: £112.54, £67.52 and £45.01 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.2% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.00% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 275.15% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89% April strike-rate: 46 wins from 50 selections = 92.0% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1461 wins from 1736 selections = 84.16% [b]

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You're still going stong Maria, Brilliant ;D __________________ King Of The Knavesmire
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09-04-2006, 12:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Fourth Day ... Sunday 9th April ... I'm laying these ... Beautiful Night 2.50 Market Rasen ... Pontiff 3.10 Worcester ... Pardini 3.40 Worcester ... Sailor Ahoy 3.40 Worcester ... Emmasflora 3.50 Market Rasen ... Rosie Redman 4.00 Kelso ... Kercabellec 4.20 Market Rasen ... Winnie Wild 4.30 Kelso ... Autograph 5.20 Market Rasen ... Single Handed 5.20 Market Rasen ... Laertes 5.30 Kelso ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #809

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Results Update: day 184 ...

Beautiful Night 2.50 Market Rasen ... 7/1, 7.4, £67.52 Pontiff 3.10 Worcester ... 3/1, 5.0, £67.52 Pardini 3.40 Worcester ... 8/1, 9.4 £67.52 Sailor Ahoy 3.40 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £67.52 Emmasflora 3.50 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 7.0, £67.52 Rosie Redman 4.00 Kelso ... 7/1, 8.2, £45.01 Kercabellec 4.20 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 6.2, £67.52 Winnie Wild 4.30 Kelso ... 9/1, 8.4, £45.01 Autograph 5.20 Market Rasen ... 9/2 op 7/2, 4.6, £67.52 Single Handed 5.20 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 6.2, £67.52 Laertes 5.30 Kelso ... 9/1, 11.0, £45.01

Comments: Stupidly, I did lay Autgraph even after all the non-runners; it opened at 7/2 so wasn't quite as painful as it might have been, anyway ...

But still a losing day, of course ... Today's takings £513.14 (that's £540.15 less 5% commission); but the two nasty losses add up to £567.14 and that means a net loss today, of £54 ... and tomorrow's stake are therefore unchanged ... :'(

The bank has just slipped back today to £11200.53 ... > In the long run, my strike-rate over an enormous number of selections with this system has always worked out at between 83% and 84%. I have no reason to think that's going to change. At the moment it's just over 84%, and as always, some losing days won't surprise me at all, though I'm as confident as I can be that the overall trend will be onwards and upwards, as Wolf puts it! ... :-* For anyone "following" these who understandably hasn't read the whole thread, please appreciate that there can and will be losing months with this system, not just losing weeks and days. Laying is a long term business ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: (£54.00) Tomorrow's bank: £11200.53 Tomorrow's stakes: £112.54, £67.52 and £45.01 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.48%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.45% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 273.35% Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82% April strike-rate: 55 wins from 61 selections = 90.16% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1470 wins from 1747 selections = 84.14% ...

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09-04-2006, 08:10 PM Join Date: Sep 2005

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Keep up the good work, Maria. I know nothing about laying, (though I ought to be laying my own selections LOL ;D), but I see no reason for the disclaimer.

Your persistence - and results - are evidence enough!!

09-04-2006, 08:22 PM

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Thanks very much, Marky ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Marky I see no reason for the disclaimer. I get nervous that people wait for a really good run and then join in and lay the same ones as me (but maybe without following the integral staking) and can easily catch a losing period, get disillusioned and drop out, only to miss the next good run ... I know that's their responsibility and not mine, but I still worry about it, especially because I put actual and real amounts of money in my posts. I really prefer, generally, to talk about "points" rather than "pounds" for a thread like this, but it's not very honest to do that with laying (in fact it's what "commercial tipsters" do, but they usually use starting-price and don't allow for commission, which is enormous given the high turnover - people don't realise how easily not including commission can make the difference between profit and loss!). It's all very well saying (as people do when backing) "it was available at 8.0 on the exchange" but the truth might be that there was only £5 available at 8.0, and another £10 at 7.8 and then all the rest at 7.2, or whatever) ... :-\ So when you're laying, if you're being fully open, it's more honest to give the actual figures (which I get as close to doing as I can, though still not 100% as discussed elsewhere in this thread, for a start because I don't really pay 5% commission). But then I worry that the actual figures will "tempt in" inexperienced people who are not familiar with the "tricks of the trade" of laying, and they might catch a bad run too ... :-[

But anyway, thank you for your supportive thoughts ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #812

10-04-2006, 10:09 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Hello Maria Like many others I too would like to thank you for all your hard work with your laying system. Being relatively new to laying I was interested to read your last post which referred to "tricks of the trade". I would be grateful if you could point me toward anywhere where I might find some more information on these "tricks" "Always willing to learn from the Knowledgeable" Luck & Fortune Wyefish #813

10-04-2006, 10:21 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi and welcome, Wyefish ... and thanks for your post ... When I said "tricks of the trade" I was really thinking of the question of how to judge when to put your lay on: whether to take an early price or wait until as late as possible. When I started off, my general rule was that favourites tended to shorten (so I waited, with those) and the other ones I was laying tended to drift (so I took early prices with those) ... but I've learned a little bit more since then, I think ... but only a little ... : I don't lay so many favourites, myself. Only if I'm totally convinced that they are "value shorties" heavily overbacked by the market ... :-\ The overwhelming majority of mine are between 5/1 and 10/1, and more lengthen than shorten ... I think the key thing is to try to learn to interpret the little chart at Betfair and guess with better than 50/50 accuracy what's going to shorten and what's going to lengthen. In my opinion, anyone who says that this can only ever be a 50/50 proposition is being defeatist and very pessimistic (and doesn't understand that it's possible for

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chart traders in banks to make a living from trading financial derivatives, either, which is not very different from this question) ... ??? One of the psychological advantages of this kind of laying, I've found, is that (with my figures, anyway), 84% of the time it doesn't matter too much whether you've laid to the best price or not. If you lay to fixed liability (which many people say is "safer" and "better" although their reasons don't always stand up to examination and are sometimes themselves based on fallacies or invalid assumptions), it matters very much 84% of the time instead of 16% of the time ... But to answer your question (finally!), there's a little paperback which I found very helpful indeed. It's called "Lay, Back, and Think of Winning" and it's by Nigel Paul. I bought it from Amazon for a few pounds but I'm sure it's available from other places too ... Good luck! ... 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #814

10-04-2006, 10:33 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Hello again Maria Many thanks for you speedy and comprehensive answer. It's a great help (and,for what it's worth, I think that your staking system makes good sense and I use it myself). Wyefish

11-04-2006, 11:42 AM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Bloody Hell M

Nerves of steel.

Roman Quest is my only one today __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #822

11-04-2006, 12:49 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Viva Nerves of steel. Not at all; just youth, inexperience and naivety (which I might have spelled wrongly too) ... Good luck with Roman Quest, anyway (certainly looks a dodgy old stinker to me, and I fancy Gavarnie Beau and Psycho Cat in that race too ... ) ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #823

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Results Update: day 186 ...

Saltrio 2.00 Fontwell ... 13/2, 7.2, £69.27 Eager Lover 2.10 Bath ... 7/1, 7.4, £69.27 Mr Klick 2.20 Folkestone ... 13/2, 10.5, £46.18 Matthew Muroto 2.30 Fontwell ... 9/2, 5.9, £69.27 Bobby Rose 2.50 Folkestone ... 10/1, 10.5, £46.18 Roman Quest 2.50 Folkestone ... 6/1, 6.8, £69.27 Screenplay 3.00 Fontwell ... 9/1, 11.0 £46.18 Mr Boo 3.30 Fontwell ... 8/1, 9.4, £46.18 Levin 3.40 Bath ... 16/1!, 10.0, £46.18 Young Dude 4.00 Fontwell ... 3/1, 6.4, £69.27 Red Rudy 4.20 Folkestone ... 13/2, 7.4, £69.27 Aylmer Road 4.40 Bath ... non-runner : General Flumpa 4.50 Folkestone ... 15/2, 9.8, £46.18 Trigger The Light 5.00 Fontwell ... 8/1, 7.2, £69.27 Seven No Trumps 5.10 Bath ... 11/2, 6.4, £69.27

Comments: I've just learnt from another thread that the word to describe these situations is apparently "bugger" (we actually say something a bit stronger where I come from, but that EC's a real gentleman, you know ...) ... Today's nasty losses added up to £789.69, which wasn't too thrilling ... especially because the takings were only £680.00 (that's £715.79 less 5% commission), leaving a net loss on the day of £109.69 ... Well, we have losing days, and today was one of them ... :-X The bank has now slipped back to £11436.32, so tomorrow's stakes are unchanged

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... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: (£109.69) Tomorrow's bank: £11436.32 Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.95%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.86% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 281.21% Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 14 selections = 85.71% April strike-rate: 83 wins from 93 selections = 89.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1498 wins from 1779 selections = 84.2% ...

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12-04-2006, 11:40 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Seventh Day ... Wednesday 12th April ... Hoping to recover yesterday's losses, but there are not quite so many selections today ... : Donna's Double 2.20 Catterick ... Mannikko 2.40 Nottingham ... Kaluana Court 2.50 Catterick ... Stamford Street 3.00 Lingfield ... Haatmey 3.30 Lingfield ... Shaunas Vision 3.30 Lingfield ... Dancing Bay 4.10 Nottingham ... Quantum Leap 4.30 Lingfield ... Firesong 4.40 Nottingham ...

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Unique Moment 4.50 Catterick ... Synonymy 4.50 Catterick ... Dora's Green 5.20 Catterick ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #825

12-04-2006, 04:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 187 ...

Donna's Double 2.20 Catterick ... 8/1, 9.5 £46.18 Mannikko 2.40 Nottingham ... 2/1, 2.9, £115.46 Kaluana Court 2.50 Catterick ... 9/1, 11.0, £46.18 Stamford Street 3.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.6, £46.18 Haatmey 3.30 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £69.27 Shaunas Vision 3.30 Lingfield ... 4/1, 5.4, £69.27 Dancing Bay 4.10 Nottingham ... 6/1, 5.8, £69.27 Quantum Leap 4.30 Lingfield ... 15/2, 8.8, £46.18 Firesong 4.40 Nottingham ... 7/1, 7.4, £69.27 Unique Moment 4.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 8.2, £46.18 Synonymy 4.50 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27 Dora's Green 5.20 Catterick ... 16/1, 11.0, £46.18

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Eeeewwwwwww ... one of the worst days for a while ... Today's nasty losses add up to £1029.82 (which is scarily more money than I started laying with as a bank a couple of years ago) ... and the takings were only £548.40 (that's £577.26 less 5% commission), leaving a huge net loss on the day of £452.56 ... So the bank has now slipped back to £10983.76, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: (£452.56) Tomorrow's bank: £10983.76 Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.96%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.24% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 266.13%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 12 selections = 75% April strike-rate: 92 wins from 105 selections = 87.62% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1507 wins from 1791 selections = 84.14%

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13-04-2006, 01:14 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Eighth Day ... Thursday 13th April ... Linning Wine 2.40 Wolverhampton ... Nayodabayo 3.00 Ludlow ... Its Wallce Jnr 3.20 Wincanton ... City of Manchester 3.30 Ludlow ...

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Flirty Jill 3.50 Wincanton ... Toulouse 4.00 Ludlow ... Bartin Hill 4.20 Wincanton ... Maljimar 4.30 Ludlow ... Royal Amnesty 4.40 Wolverhampton ... Anemix 4.50 Wincanton ... Eskimo Jack 5.00 Ludlow ... Lord Nellerie 5.00 Ludlow ... Raslan 5.10 Wolverhampton ... Lady Orpen 5.15 Tipperary ... Warsaw Lady 6.15 Tipperary ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #827

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Results Update: day 188 ...

Linning Wine 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £46.18 Nayodabayo 3.00 Ludlow ... 5/1, 5.8, £69.27 Its Wallce Jnr 3.20 Wincanton ... 12/1, 9.6, £46.18 City of Manchester 3.30 Ludlow ... 11/2, 7.2, £69.27 Flirty Jill 3.50 Wincanton ... 7/2, 5.2, £69.27 Toulouse 4.00 Ludlow ... 8/1, 10.5, £46.18 Bartin Hill 4.20 Wincanton ... 15/2, 11.0, £46.18 Maljimar 4.30 Ludlow ... 5/1, 5.55, £69.27 Royal Amnesty 4.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.6, £69.27 Anemix 4.50 Wincanton ... 4/1, 5.2, £69.27

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Eskimo Jack 5.00 Ludlow ... 9/1, 11.0, £46.18 Lord Nellerie 5.00 Ludlow ... 10/3, 4.8, £69.27 Raslan 5.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £69.27 Lady Orpen 5.15 Tipperary ... 11/2, 8.0, £46.18 Warsaw Lady 6.15 Tipperary ... 10/1, 11.0, £46.18

Comments: Not so great ... still, after a day as nasty as yesterday, a plus is a plus, I suppose ... :\ Today's takings were £723.87 (that's £761.97 less 5% commission), but the losses add up to £641.91 which doesn't leave much of that as profit for the day: just £81.96 ... it's going to be a long, slow recovery ... The bank is now £11065.72, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £81.96 Tomorrow's bank: £11065.72 Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.75% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.07% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 268.86% Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 15 selections = 86.67% April strike-rate: 105 wins from 120 selections = 87.5% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1520 wins from 1806 selections = 84.16%

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15-04-2006, 12:23 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Ninth Day ... Saturday 15th April ...

Oooh, another dodgy Saturday ... don't they come round quickly? ... I'm laying these ... Wee Dinns 2.20 Newton Abbot ... Pure Palatial 2.30 Cork ... Jack Durrance 2.50 Newton Abbot ... Nifty Roy 3.00 Carlisle ... Spring Grove 3.20 Newton Abbot ... Hever Road 3.20 Newton Abbot ... Jericho III 3.25 Haydock ... Silver Knight 3.30 Carlisle ... Dungarvans Choice 3.30 Carlisle ... Caribbean 3.50 Leopardstown ... Barrons Pike 4.05 Carlisle ... Riverside Dancer 4.15 Kempton ... Nagano 4.20 Newton Abbot ... Come Out Fighting 4.50 Kempton ... Sandton City 4.50 Leopardstown ... Rude Health 4.55 Newton Abbot ... Joyrider 5.05 Haydock ... Cockspur 5.35 Haydock ...

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Results Update: day 189 ...

Wee Dinns 2.20 Newton Abbot ... 5/1, 7.0, £69.27

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Pure Palatial 2.30 Cork ... 7/1, 10.0, £46.18 Jack Durrance 2.50 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 9.0, £46.18 Nifty Roy 3.00 Carlisle ... 8/1, 9.0, £46.18 Spring Grove 3.20 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 6.0, £69.27 Hever Road 3.20 Newton Abbot ... 13/2, 8.0, £46.18 Jericho III 3.25 Haydock ... 9/2, 6.8, £69.27 Silver Knight 3.30 Carlisle ... 7/1, 11.0, £46.18 Dungarvans Choice 3.30 Carlisle ... 7/2, 4.8, £69.27 Caribbean 3.50 Leopardstown ... 4/1, 6.6, £69.27 Barrons Pike 4.05 Carlisle ... 7/1, 10.5, £46.18 Riverside Dancer 4.15 Kempton ... 9/4, 3.45, £115.46 Nagano 4.20 Newton Abbot ... 11/2, 6.6, £69.27 Come Out Fighting 4.50 Kempton ... 9/2, 7.2, £69.27 Sandton City 4.50 Leopardstown ... 11/2, 7.4, £69.27 Rude Health 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 5/1, 5.6, £69.27 Joyrider 5.05 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27 Cockspur 5.35 Haydock ... 11/2, 6.8, £69.27 Comments: Today's takings were £1009.04 (that's £1062.15 less 5% commission), but the losses add up to £692.70; still, that leaves a net £316.34 as profit for the day ... The bank is now £11382.06, which is a move in the right direction, anyway; and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £316.34 Tomorrow's bank: £11382.06 Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.86% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.3% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 279.4% Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 18 selections = 88.89% April strike-rate: 121 wins from 138 selections = 87.68%

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Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1536 wins from 1824 selections = 84.21%

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16-04-2006, 11:46 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Hundred-And-Ninetieth Day ... Sunday 16th April ...

Dangerous day, today ... shorties and stuff ... Never So Blue 2.10 Towcester ... Stepaside 2.20 Musselburgh ... Jack Rackham 2.20 Musselburgh ... Captain's Legacy 2.30 Plumpton ... Whinhill House 2.50 Musselburgh ... Dirty Sanchez 3.00 Plumpton ... Whistle Blowing 3.10 Towcester ... Almavara 3.10 Towcester ... Denvale 4.40 Towcester ... Ballyhurry 4.50 Musselburgh ... Major Bell 5.00 Plumpton ... Fieldsofclover 5.00 Plumpton ... Bradley Boy 5.10 Towcester ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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Results Update: day 190 ...

Never So Blue 2.10 Towcester ... 9/1, 7.4, £69.27 Stepaside 2.20 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 6.6, £69.27 Jack Rackham 2.20 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 11.0, £46.18 Captain's Legacy 2.30 Plumpton ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27 Whinhill House 2.50 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 11.0, £46.18 Dirty Sanchez 3.00 Plumpton ... 9/1, 11.0, £46.18 Whistle Blowing 3.10 Towcester ... 7/4, 2.96, £115.46 Almavara 3.10 Towcester ... 9/2, 5.2, £69.27 Denvale 4.40 Towcester ... 5/2, 3.7, £69.27 Ballyhurry 4.50 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 10.5, £46.18 Major Bell 5.00 Plumpton ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27 Fieldsofclover 5.00 Plumpton ... non-runner Bradley Boy 5.10 Towcester ... 2/1, 3.2, £115.46 Comments: Today's takings were £723.89 (that's £761.99 less 5% commission), but the loss of £256.30 brings that down to a net £467.59 as profit for the day ... The bank is now £11849.65, and that's a new high, so we've recovered the lost ground from the nasty couple of days earlier in the week and can increase the stakes tomorrow to £118.49, £71.09 and £47.39 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £467.59 Tomorrow's bank: £11849.65 Tomorrow's stakes: £118.49, £71.09 and £47.39 ... Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.11%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 21.08% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 294.99%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67% April strike-rate: 132 wins from 150 selections = 88% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1547 wins from 1836 selections = 84.26%

Please appreciate that this strike-rate isn't going to last! ... :

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Thats a good two day weekend Maria, congrats. #833

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Still unbelievable ! This can go on forever ! #834

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Going great M __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #835

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Thanks very much for the kind comments ... Monday 17th (Easter Monday) ... no selections today, sorry ... I really can't get enthusiastic enough about bank holiday prospects, and laying's too dangerous for a half-hearted attempt, so I'll have a sneaky day off and await more promising opportunities ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #836

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Oneth Day ... Tuesday 18th April ... Better press on, I suppose ... time to get back to work, here ... :-\ I'm laying these ... Pescatorio 1.30 Newmarket ... The Castilian 2.10 Exeter ... Haunted House 2.20 Chepstow ... Turnberry Bay 2.55 Chepstow ... Mostaqeleh 3.10 Newmarket ... Mill Bank 3.30 Chepstow ... Twisted Logic 3.55 Exeter ... Billyandi 4.40 Chepstow ... Bonny Grey 4.40 Chepstow ... The Hairy Lemon 4.40 Chepstow ... Ebtikaar 4.55 Newmarket ... Cinnamon Line 5.515 Chepstow ... Ebony Jack 5.15 Chepstow ... Sissinghurst Storm 5.15 Chepstow ... Topamendip 5.35 Exeter ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #837

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Results Update: day 191 ...

Pescatorio 1.30 Newmarket ... 9/2!!, 3.3, £118.48 The Castilian 2.10 Exeter ... 9/2, 6.6, £71.09

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Haunted House 2.20 Chepstow ... 5/2, 5.1, £71.09 Turnberry Bay 2.55 Chepstow ... 11/2, 7.4, £71.09 Mostaqeleh 3.10 Newmarket ... 5/1, 7.4, £71.09 Mill Bank 3.30 Chepstow ... 13/2, 8.8, £47.39 Twisted Logic 3.55 Exeter ... 7/1, 8.8, £47.39 Billyandi 4.40 Chepstow ... 11/2, 7.0, £71.09 Bonny Grey 4.40 Chepstow ... 4/1, 5.6, £71.09 The Hairy Lemon 4.40 Chepstow ... 5/1, 6.8, £71.09 Ebtikaar 4.55 Newmarket ... 6/1, 6.8, £71.09 Cinnamon Line 5.515 Chepstow ... 9/1, 9.8, £47.39 Ebony Jack 5.15 Chepstow ... 8/1, 10.5, £47.39 Sissinghurst Storm 5.15 Chepstow ... 4/1, 5.2, £71.09 Topamendip 5.35 Exeter ... 7/2, 6.0 £71.09

Comments: Today's takings were £900.45 (that's £947.85 less 5% commission) and the nasty loss of £298.58 brings that down to a net £601.87 as profit for the day ... The bank is now £12451.52, and that's a new high, so we increase the stakes tomorrow to £124.51, £74.70 and £49.80 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £601.87 Tomorrow's bank: £12451.52 Tomorrow's stakes: £124.51, £74.70 and £49.80

Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.08% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 27.23% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 315.05%

Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 15 selections = 93.33% April strike-rate: 146 wins from 165 selections = 88.48% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1561 wins from 1851 selections = 84.33%

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Can't understand it, honestly, the overall strike-rate seems to be going up instead of down ... it won't last! ...

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;D __________________ Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke #839

18-04-2006, 06:35 PM Join Date: May 2004

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Amazing results day in day out. Well done! Keep them coming! __________________ If I can't win I won't play!!! #840

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A role on TV beckons I think Maria. Great work beamer __________________ The artist formally known as beamer

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What on earth are you going to do with all that money? There are only so many pairs of shoes you can buy lol. Wonderful, how nicely it is going! Wolf #842

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Twoth Day ... Wednesday 19th April ... I'm laying these ... Fairfield Princess 2.00 Newmarket ... Total Sentiment 2.15 Fairyhouse ... Oscatello 2.20 Cheltenham ... Boychuk 2.20 Cheltenham ... Esprit D'Amour 2.45 Beverley ... Fork Lightning 2.55 Cheltenham ... Kew Green 3.10 Newmarket ... Too Forward 3.30 Cheltenham ... Kelrev 3.30 Cheltenham ... Safe Route 3.45 Fairyhouse ... Desperando Queen 3.45 Fairyhouse ... Gli Gli 3.45 Fairyhouse ... Golden Dixie 3.55 Beverley ... Hasty Prince 4.05 Cheltenham ... Penny Pictures 4.05 Cheltenham ... Historic Appeal 4.30 Beverley ... Pace Shot 5.45 Cheltenham ...

Just the one or two to lay today, as you see ...

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Originally Posted by Wolf What on earth are you going to do with all that money? There are only so many pairs of shoes you can buy lol. Actually this is right ... I must have all the important ones already because I've only bought 3 pairs of shoes this year! It's the car insurance savings fund, though: I have

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been driving for over a year (though mostly not in the UK) and never had an accident but you wouldn't believe how much money they charge to insure me, really it's astonishing, people at home simply don't believe me when I tell them what car insurance costs over here! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #844

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Results Update: day 192 ...

Fairfield Princess 2.00 Newmarket ... 8/1, 10.5, £49.80 Total Sentiment 2.15 Fairyhouse ... 11/2, 7.4, £74.70 Oscatello 2.20 Cheltenham ... 7/1, 8.4, £49.80 Boychuk 2.20 Cheltenham ... 4/1, 4.9, £74.70 Esprit D'Amour 2.45 Beverley ... 7/2, 5.6, £74.70 Fork Lightning 2.55 Cheltenham ... 15/2, 7.2, £74.70 Kew Green 3.10 Newmarket ... 7/1, 9.6, £49.80 Too Forward 3.30 Cheltenham ... 15/2, 11.0, £49.80 Kelrev 3.30 Cheltenham ... 6/1, 7.4, £74.70 Safe Route 3.45 Fairyhouse ... 5/1, 6.8, £74.70 Desperando Queen 3.45 Fairyhouse ... 6/1, 8.4, £49.80 Gli Gli 3.45 Fairyhouse ... 6/1, 8.2, £49.80 Golden Dixie 3.55 Beverley ... 7/1, 8.8, £49.80 Hasty Prince 4.05 Cheltenham ... 6/1, 7.4, £74.70

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Penny Pictures 4.05 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.0, £74.70 Historic Appeal 4.30 Beverley ... 6/1, 7.4, £74.70 Pace Shot 5.45 Cheltenham ... 11/4, 3.45, £124.51

Comments: Desperando Queen was a particularly unpleasant one for me, because I had also done a dutch and a reverse forecast on the two who came 2nd and 3rd ... Anyway, a plus score here today, so I shouldn't complain: today's takings were £993.51 (that's £1045.81 less 5% commission) and the two nasty losses - one of them really very unexpected - add up to £727.08, which brings that down to a net £266.43 as the profit for the day ... So the bank is now £12717.95, and that's a new high, so we will increase the stakes tomorrow to £127.17, £76.30 and £50.87 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £266.43 Tomorrow's bank: £12717.95 Tomorrow's stakes: £127.17, £76.30 and £50.87 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.14% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 29.96% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 323.93% Today's strike-rate: 15 wins from 17 selections = 88.23% April strike-rate: 161 wins from 182 selections = 88.46% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1576 wins from 1868 selections = 84.37% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #845

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Well done Maria __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Third Day ... Thursday 20th April ...\

Dangerous shorties today ...

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Music by Mozart 1.30 Newmarket ... Excellent Art 2.00 Newmarket ... Joseph Locke 2.10 Ripon ... Amicelli 2.55 Cheltenham ... Killybegs 3.10 Newmarket ... Judge 3.45 Newmarket ... Lindsay 4.05 Cheltenham ... King Orchisos 4.20 Newmarket ... Mister Friday 5.15 Cheltenham ... Gone'n'dunnett 5.35 Ripon ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #847

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Results Update: day 193 ...

Music by Mozart 1.30 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.45, £127.17 Excellent Art 2.00 Newmarket ... 9/4, 4.0, £76.30 Joseph Locke 2.10 Ripon ... 7/2, 4.9, £76.30 Amicelli 2.55 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.4, £76.30 Killybegs 3.10 Newmarket ... 9/2, 5.2, £76.30 Judge 3.45 Newmarket ... 3/1, 4.7 £76.30 Lindsay 4.05 Cheltenham ... non-runner King Orchisos 4.20 Newmarket ... 5/2, 5.3, £76.30 Mister Friday 5.15 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.0, £76.30 Gone'n'dunnett 5.35 Ripon ... 9/1, 9.6, £50.87

Comments: A losing day, but only just, and no complaints from me, with that number of dangerous shorties anyway ... just couldn't find so many selections today, and the non-runner actually made the difference between a small loss and a potential small profit ... :-X Today's takings were £531.56 (that's £559.54 less 5% commission) and the two nasty losses add up to £549.36, so that means a loss today of £17.80 ... So the bank is now £12700.15, and the stakes tomorrow are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: (£17.80) Tomorrow's bank: £12700.15 Tomorrow's stakes: £127.17, £76.30 and £50.87 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.14%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 29.77% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 323.33%

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Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.78% April strike-rate: 168 wins from 191 selections = 87.96% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1583 wins from 1877 selections = 84.33% ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #848

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Keep up the excellent work, Maria. A seventeen quid loss is not a bad day, really!! ;D You're making me think about laying, something that doesnt come naturally... Cheers Marky #849 21-04-2006, 08:28 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Hello Maria I only found this page yesterday. What fantatic results you have from your selections and this staking systemsystem. Very very impressive. The system is so simple - pure genius! As the effects of compounding kick in and if your future results follow the same

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pattern (can't see any reason why they shouldn't) then I recon your bank will reach £100k in just over another 12 months - this will give you two problems 1) how to spend the winnings! 2) how to get your stakes on. One question if I may - how do you chose your selections? Regards Delta #850

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Hi Delta, Welcome to EBA and many thanks for honouring this thread with your first post! ... I'll have to answer your questions a bit later in the day when I've got more time, though ... :-X The Hundred-And-Ninety-Fourth Day ... Friday 21st April ... Just the one or two today, hoping to win it back from yesterday, you understand ... I'm laying these ... Blessings Count 2.10 Newbury ... Menchikov 2.20 Ayr ... Avertuoso 2.30 Thirsk ... Armaguedon 2.55 Ayr ... Boldinor 3.05 Thirsk ... Grande Roche 3.35 Thirsk ... Capitana 3.55 Ayr ... Titnius 4.10 Thirsk ... Riquewihr 4.10 Thirsk ... True Night 4.10 Thirsk ... Fondness 4.20 Newbury ... Horus 4.30 Ayr ... Whinwill House 4.40 Thirsk ... Peopleton Brook 4.40 Thirsk ...

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Trumpita 5.10 Thirsk ... Olival 5.35 Ayr ... Derainey 6.15 Sedgefield ... Supreme Leisure 6.45 Sedgefield ... Pay Attention 6.45 Sedgefield ... Pure Brief 7.15 Sedgefield ... Ton-Chee 7.15 Sedgefield ... Winds Supreme 7.15 Sedgefield ... Sybarite Chief 7.45 Sedgefield ... ... and that's missing out the ones that look like being a minimum of 12.0 or 13.0 to lay! ...

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I've been reluctant to start off this thread, because I'm frightened of its turning out to be the kiss of death ... you have what you imagine to be a good system and start to explain it in public, and suddenly a wheel comes off ...* ??? I've come up with a laying system ...* ;D I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway ...* :-[ I'll try to post each day's selections by 1.00pm at the very latest, but I don't think I'll often manage to post them the night before. Comments, general heckling and questions (but not about the details of my selectionprocess, please) are very welcome as we go along, but I'd better start off with something like an "FAQ" ...* 8) STAKING: I want to minimise risks and maximise returns, of course (who doesn't?), which are always pretty difficult, not to say conflicting, objectives to combine. Like all forms of betting, the selections are only a part of the story. Betting on horses is

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notorious for people being able to have good selections and still lose money through poor money management. With laying in particular, IMHO the commonest reasons for failure are under-funding (not having a bank big enough for what you're trying to do) and disillusionment (getting too easily fed up with an inevitable losing run). This isn't the time or place to get involved in a big discussion about whether the selections or the money management are more important - it suffices to say that without both aspects being good, sensible, reliable and proven, it's not possible to make steady profits ...* The two common staking methods for laying are:(i) Laying to a fixed stake: I don't use this for two main reasons: first, the "accidents" are proportionally too expensive; secondly, it seems to me that it fails adequately to make the profits "deserved" after successfully identifying and laying shorter-priced losers. (ii) Laying to a fixed liability: I don't use this either, because it's inherently mathematically unsound - it ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to happen at the lower end of the scale: if I lay a 2/1 favourite (i.e. I lay it at an exchange price of 3.0), the overall risk of that bet losing (the horse winning) is of course higher than one which was a lay at 8.0 (7/1). Instead I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a complicated mixture of the two systems mentioned above, but it's actually perfectly straightforward ...* My staking system: I lay in three distinct exchange-price-bands of fixed backer's stakes. At one end of the scale, if the exchange price available about the horse is less than 3.5 (less than 5/2), I lay to a stake of 1% of my current laying system bank. At the other end, if the price is between 7.5 and 11 (the latter figure being my cut-off: I don't lay anything higher than 10/1), I lay to a stake of 0.4% of my current bank. If the price is in-between these two bands (i.e. prices of 3.6 to 7.4), then I lay to a stake of 0.6% of my bank. As they say in those TV infommercials, "But wait - there's more!": I also combine this staking plan with a ratchet system (see below). The are two other advantages with this staking system: first, the practicality of the situation when using the exchanges is that the backer's stake (rather than one's own liability) is the value which has to be typed into the little box on the screen, and this makes it quick and simple to do; secondly, nearly a year's figures have proven to me that this method minimises the variability of the results, and that's very, very important ...* To summarise, with examples based on a starting bank of £3,000 (if you're reckless enough to try them, you can scale up or down proportionally to your own bank) ... Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75) Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80 - £115.20)

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Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 £132)

Ratchet System If making profits, I increase all stakes in proportion to the bank on a daily basis. (I'd love to do it on a bet-by-bet basis, but that would assume that anyone following the system can be glued to their screen all afternoon, which isn't realistic. If you're working for a living - shock horror: please excuse my language! - you need to be able to put the bets on your lunch-hour.) This means that at the end of each day, the next day's "current bank" figure is known. For example, if there's a good start and the £3,000 bank grows, then the stakes are worked out as proportion of the new higher figure, and increase slightly the next day. This may sound insignificant but it makes a huge difference to the results ...* In contrast, after a losing day, I don't reduce stakes unless and until 35% of the highest level of the bank is lost, when I essentially re-start using the same percentages, but now of the new "65%-sized bank" ...* :-\ Example: from a £3,000 start, if there's a net loss on the first day, the next day I still stake as if from a bank of £3,000 (i.e. to backer's stakes of £30, £18 and £12 depending on the price about each selection) until reaching £1,950 when those backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up to £3,000 again (or - dare I mention it? - down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss). The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank. If it happens (and so far it hasn't - famous last words?!) I'll explain it again. It may sound a bit complicated but it's actually very simple. Not easy, but very simple ...* : Please don't imagine that I'm claiming this to be a perfect laying system. There are one or two anomalies in it, but after lots of analysis and calculation in the early days, over the last year I've found this system practicable, straightforward and robust. And that's what matters. In the next post, I'll complete the "FAQ" and hope to cover the practicalities ...* :-* __________________ maria santonix

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hello maria first time post fantastic thread been watching from the outset but didnt inaminute win the 7.30 #862

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Hi and welcome, fashmo ... and thanks: he did win it, unfortunately for me. I put the wrong smiley in and then missed what I'd done in the numbers at the bottom ... :-[ Thanks very much for spotting this quickly before I added on tomorrow's results, which would have given me a problem! I've corrected it now ... I shouldn't post so late at night when I'm tired: it makes me even blonder than usual ... :P :-[ : __________________ maria santonix My blog #863

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Well Done

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BLONDER THAN USUAL ;D ;D ;D

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;D Favs

Wonderful stuff M week.

Sorry I didn't put up the Saturday multi, I will put it up next

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Originally Posted by favs Not if I'm gonna have to explain it five times."

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Great stuff Maria What date does this one end ? and will you be carrying on for new season? Favs : Liked that blonde joke ;D sadly my better half has gone brunette recently, but she will always be blonde to me ;D #867

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Sixth Day ... Sunday 23rd April ... Dangerous-looking day, today, if you ask me ... I'll be very surprised indeed if we get through the day without an accident or two or three somewhere ... I'm laying these ... Brown Fox 1.50 Wincanton ... Mikado 2.30 Stratford ... Alphabetic 3.00 Stratford ... Dromin Hill Echo 3.00 Sligo ... Cameron Bridge 3.30 Stratford ... Joey Tribbiani 3.30 Stratford ... Smart Savannah 3.30 Stratford ... Barton Sands 3.40 Kempton ... Sir Bathwick 3.50 Wincanton ... Lilac 4.00 Stratford ... Lisathedaddy 4.10 Kempton ... Roosters Reunion 4.20 Wincanton ... Neltina 4.20 Wincanton ... Wink And Whisper 4.30 Stratford ... Manawanui 4.50 Wincanton ... Penny Park 4.50 Wincanton ... Dhehdaah 5.00 Stratford ... Ridge Boy 5.15 Leopardstown ... Bush Maiden 5.15 Leopardstown ...

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Note: of the ones where I'm not matched, I'm expecting to get matched on Barton Sands with no problem; I'm much less confident about Bush Maiden, and of course I'll leave it out of the results if it doesn't come anywhere near the cut-off of 11.0 (I might go to 12.0 myself) ... : __________________ maria santonix My blog #869

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Results Update: day 196 ...

Brown Fox 1.50 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.4, £59.22 Mikado 2.30 Stratford ... 10/11, 1.98, £148.05 Alphabetic 3.00 Stratford ... 12/1, 10.5, £59.22 Dromin Hill Echo 3.00 Sligo ... 8/1, 11.0, £59.22 Cameron Bridge 3.30 Stratford ... 7/2, 6.0, £88.83

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Joey Tribbiani 3.30 Stratford ... 7/2, 4.5, £88.83 Smart Savannah 3.30 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £88.83 Barton Sands 3.40 Kempton ... 10/1, 11.0, £59.22 Sir Bathwick 3.50 Wincanton ... 5/2, 5.4, £88.83 Lilac 4.00 Stratford ... 5/1, 7.0 £88.83 Lisathedaddy 4.10 Kempton ... 6/1, 7.4, £88.83 Roosters Reunion 4.20 Wincanton ... 5/1, 7.2, £88.83 Neltina 4.20 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.8, £59.22 Wink And Whisper 4.30 Stratford ... 7/1, 7.4, £88.83 Manawanui 4.50 Wincanton ... 8/1, 11.0, £59.22 Penny Park 4.50 Wincanton ... 9/2, 5.8, £88.83 Dhehdaah 5.00 Stratford ... 13/2, 7.4, £88.83 Ridge Boy 5.15 Leopardstown ... non-runner Bush Maiden 5.15 Leopardstown ... 6/1, 10.0, £59.22

Comments: Well, an accident or two as promised, but fortunately not at the cost of all the day's takings ... lays like Mikado are always going to be taking a chance, I suppose, but at that sort of price you can't start excluding things your system produces, can you ... Penny Park was also just bad luck; I couldn't possibly avoid this one at all - sorry ... :[ Today's takings were £1153.30 (that's £1214.01 less 5% commission) but including Mikado and Penny Park cost me £571.48, and that brings Sunday's net profit down to £581.82 ... So the bank is now £15386.83, and tomorrow's stakes become £153.86, £92.32 and £61.54 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £581.82 Tomorrow's bank: £15386.83 Tomorrow's stakes: £153.86, £92.32 and £61.54 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.93%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 57.23% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 412.89% Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 18 selections = 88.89% April strike-rate: 230 wins from 257 selections = 89.49% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1645 wins from 1943 selections = 84.66% April of last year was really not a good month for me with laying. You really, really do have to take a long term view with these systems, and not try to draw quick conclusions. And it looks like even a whole year's results are "quick conclusions" in some ways ...

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Going as well as ever maria. Well done beamer __________________ The artist formally known as beamer

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Ok ... here we go again ... The Hundred-And-Ninety-Seventh-Day ... Monday 24th April ... I'm laying these ... Acuzio 1.50 Wolverhampton ... Eloquent Rose 2.10 Pontefract ... Valiant Romeo 2.20 Wolverhampton ... New Options 2.20 Wolverhampton ... Edged in Gold 2.20 Wolverhampton ... Assumethe position 2.30 Hexham ... Gangsters R Us 2.30 Hexham ... Try Catch Paddy 3.00 Hexham ... Machinist 3.10 Pontefract ... Mr Wolf 3.10 Pontefract ... Heathyards Joy 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Tamora 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Ocean Tide 3.40 Pontefract ... Danum 3.50 Wolverhampton ... Monte Rosa 4.00 Hexham ... Royal Glen 4.00 Hexham ... Sunderland Echo 4.10 Pontefract ... Queenies Girl 4.30 Hexham ... Reel Charmer 5.00 Hexham ... Donnas Double 5.10 Pontefract ... Bethany's Boy 5.10 Pontefract ... Ballybough Eddie 5.15 Taunton ... It's The Limit 6.15 Taunton ... Benrajah 6.45 Taunton ... Glacial Delight 6.45 Taunton ... Servillia 7.00 Windsor ... Kinkeel 7.15 Taunton ... Rhinebird 7.30 Windsor ... Bonny Boy 7.45 Taunton ... Strategic Mount 8.00 Windsor ... There a lot of racing about at the moment, isn't there? ... ;D

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Results Update: day 197 ...

Acuzio 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 17/2, 11.0, £61.54 Eloquent Rose 2.10 Pontefract ... 12/1, 10.5, £61.54 Valiant Romeo 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 9.0, £61.54 New Options 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 11.0, £61.54 Edged in Gold 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.7, £92.32 Assumethe position 2.30 Hexham ... 9/1, 9.8, £61.54 Gangsters R Us 2.30 Hexham ... 9/1, 9.2, £61.54 Try Catch Paddy 3.00 Hexham ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £61.54 Machinist 3.10 Pontefract ... 15/2, 7.4, £92.32 Mr Wolf 3.10 Pontefract ... 7/1, 6.4, £92.32 Heathyards Joy 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 10.5 £61.54 Tamora 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.0, £92.32 Ocean Tide 3.40 Pontefract ... 15/2, 9.4, £61.54 Danum 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 11.0, £61.54 Monte Rosa 4.00 Hexham ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £61.54 Royal Glen 4.00 Hexham ... 15/2, 10.5, £61.54 Sunderland Echo 4.10 Pontefract ... 10/1, 9.2, £61.54 Queenies Girl 4.30 Hexham ... 11/1, 7.4, £92.32 Reel Charmer 5.00 Hexham ... 9/4, 3.45, £153.86 Donnas Double 5.10 Pontefract ... 10/1, 7.2, £92.32 Bethany's Boy 5.10 Pontefract ... 7/1, 8.8, £61.54

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Ballybough Eddie 5.15 Taunton ... 9/1, 10.0, £61.54 It's The Limit 6.15 Taunton ... 3/1, 5.4, £92.32 Benrajah 6.45 Taunton ... 9.2, 5.2, £92.32 Glacial Delight 6.45 Taunton ... 7/2, 4.4, £92.32 Servillia 7.00 Windsor ... 16/1!, 10.0, £61.54 Kinkeel 7.15 Taunton ... 11/1, 11.0, £61.54 Rhinebird 7.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.8, £61.54 Bonny Boy 7.45 Taunton ... non-runner Strategic Mount 8.00 Windsor ... 9/2, 7.4, £92.32

Comments: I'm saying nothing ... :-X Today's takings were £1870.91 (that's £1969.38 less 5% commission) but the three nasty losses came to £1403.15, and that brings Monday's net profit down to £467.76 ... So the bank is now £15854.59, and tomorrow's stakes become £158.54, £95.12 and £63.41 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £467.76 Tomorrow's bank: £15854.59 Tomorrow's stakes: £158.54, £95.12 and £63.41 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.04% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 62% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 428.49% Today's strike-rate: 26 wins from 29 selections = 89.66% April strike-rate: 256 wins from 286 selections = 89.51% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1671 wins from 1972 selections = 84.74%

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Well done again M

When your laying that amount you will always get stung by a

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Great results Maria I have a question. Do you actually lay the stakes quoted in the results as i've been laying afew of them and have found it very hard to get matched on some of them at 10/1. You quote Danum 3.50Wo £61.54 10/1 ,i put a lay up at 10/1 and never got matched,just before the start of the race i checked the Betfair chart for that horse and only £32 had been matched on that horse at 10/1 and all prices under 10/1 and only £2 had been matched at the price of 10/1. #875

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HI WINNER1 I THINK YOU MIGHT FIND THAT MARIA MIGHT HAVE A BETDAQ ACCOUNT MATE BUT WELL DONE MARIA THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST THREAD IVE READ. CHEERS GREG #876

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Hi Greg I gave up on Betdaq a couple of years ago,i looked on there this morning and there was very little money about,chances of getting anything decent matched slim to none. #877

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On Danum I got about £20 matched very early at some low price and then had no problem getting the rest on just before the race. It opened at 12's and then actually came in a bit, you know? I got about £40 of mine matched at about 12.5 or something, and I averaged out at about 11.0. Might have been 11.5, I suppose ... when they've gone on in bits as far separated as that (which is surprisingly rare) I don't work them out to the nearest decimal point; sorry ... :-[ Danum was certainly not the easiest-to-be-matched today - not what I expected at all - I had imagined that Rhinebird would be the worst and might even be impossible, and nearly said so with the selections - but I've been so wrong about this sort of thing so many times before (as today!) that experience has now taught me just to keep quiet and hope for the best ... :-X

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I do use Betdaq occasionally but generally agree with your experience of poor liquidity there, by comparison ... :P And I've actually been asked by others not to give figures like "11.2" which isn't in itself a matchable one at Betfair (you get 11.0 or 11.5, although your average can easily be 11.2) ... so it's difficult to please everyone ... Anyone following the thread amount-for-amount will have noticed that their Betfair commission level is more like 2.5% rather than the 5% I'm deducting here from every winning lay; and throughout the whole thread I consistently err on the side of understating my actual results as well as repeatedly warning people of all the difficulties, you know; so I hope and trust you'll allow me a tiny bit of leeway with "average matches"! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #878

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Thanks for the detailed reply,as i said i think the results are great and the selections are quite similar to a laying system i used to use. Now that i realise you are laying some bits and pieces over the 10/1 and averaging out it makes more sense although to get fully matched you would of been laying some at 12/1. I've noticed that alot of the selections i'm laying at 2 or 3 pts higher odds than you which shows what a good system you have as you are laying horses at a price under there true chance of winning and it is impossible for you to lose long term. #879

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Thanks for your comments ... I think I know what you mean. It's strange, actually ... I have never fully got used to this aspect of it yet ... ??? Sometimes I seem to manage a real spell of laying almost everything at close to SP or even quite a bit under SP, and a couple of very experienced people who have been over my selections with the microscope have once commented that "overall I'm identifying drifters", which in itself is quite an interesting observation ... :-\ But at other times, all the prices seem terrible and on some days I feel I can't guess anything right at all. And some days are just swingy. There are some peculiar ones today, even: a couple I got matched easily at 11.0 (and could have done better) started at 16/1, which is really unusually high for me and I probably wouldn't have listed them at all if I'd thought that; on Queenies Girl there was absolutely no problem "selling" 7.4, but it started at 11/1; also Donna's Double, I did even better than 7.4 and it started at 10/1 ... On the other hand, Acuzio in the 1.50 I laid to 11.0 and it started at 17/2 (always easy for me to get those early ones wrong if I'm unmatched and posting the selections here at the same time!); and the last of the evening, Strategic Mount, I had laid to 7.4 and it went off at 9/2 ... Doesn't matter too much when they duly lose, of course! ... ;D

Still, it's a funny business ... : In the long run, regardless of guessing, and horses lengthening and shortening, the one crucial thing that has always been proportional to how much I've made, every month, is the strike-rate. And for reasons I don't claim to understand at all, without me refining any of the system parameters at all, that actually seems overall to have crept up a little bit: and that makes a huge difference to the money. I wish I could take some credit for it, but the truth is that I've just been lucky with it - so far! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #880

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hi, I have been browsing this forum for a while and have read the whole thread, i have only registerd and posting on this forum to say to you congratulations and thanks for all this information it realy is a great system and i will be trying it in a few months until then i will watch carefully and i hope you do!

if you are still continuing to post your information

once again congratulations and thanks for the info realy fantastic system you have.

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When i was doing my laying system in the Summer sometimes i was laying 40 horses a day and doing well laying alot of horses before they drifted but from my success i increased stakes and it got to the point where i eventually stumbled on afew problems,the more you stake laying if your horse is a drifter you end up having to lay some at higher odds and then higher odds again to get your bet fully matched.So i was losing abit of an edge as i was laying more money but now at higher odds.Also liquidity can be quite low in the morning and you stick a lump up to lay and some people take this as the horse isn't fancied and start laying higher,if you stick a £20 quid lay up it won't effect anything but if you put up a £100 lay some people will think it isn't fancied go slightly bigger odds others think if i put a lay up at the same odds it will take along time to get matched so they put there lay up infront of yours so to save them time and get matched quicker and not to mention the stupid games i had to play with those damn betting bots in the early markets.Also the amount of time it takes to get everything matched takes alot longer and it ended up being almost a full time job. In the end one quite important variable to the system changed i gave it afew extra months but the system had a dip in form and i got fed up with the long hours so i took my profits and went back to backing as the % profits are far better for me. I do still use a streamlined version of the system which has maybe one or two bets a

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day and it has been great i don't need to be on Betfair for hours on end anymore waiting to get everything matched. #882

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hi maria have you ever calculated your percentage winnings against turnover ie total laid out against winnings.i know this would be a low percentage figure but have you ever bothered with this.i see you have had a great week personally i am just slightly up virtually broke even although not a bad profit on the month.HAD SOME REAL NASTY PAYOUTS DAM KIND REGARDS #883

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Hi gentlemen, and welcome to EBA ... Quote:

Originally Posted by lostdevice I have been browsing this forum for a while and have read the whole thread This is a lot of reading! Clearly you have the persistence of the experienced and patient punter ... I wish you well ... Quote:

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have you ever calculated your percentage winnings against turnover Oh yes; but to be honest not since September last year when I started this thread! I think it will be between 1.3 and 1.5% but I'm guessing that from earlier figures and the strike-rate was 1% lower back then, which seems to be quite significant ... ??? It's past my bedtime, really ... more lays tomorrow (if I manage to wake up ok ...) ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #884

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Just great. even with the few losing bets.

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am sure we all also appreciate the way you always deal so promptly and in detail with everyone's queries. I have started to follow your lays and picking up on earlier comments have sometimes found difficulty in getting matched at 11.0. However, what I have found is that if right after the 'off' I place a lay at 11 invariably it will get matched during the run of the race. I suspect that some of the features behind your system parameters are to do with horses running under poor conditions e.g. wrong distance, going, class etc so it will not be surprising if some of the selections show up well in the early stages of a race causing a shorterning of the odds before fading away. Keep up the good work and try to get to bed before 1.30 a.m.! We don't want you tired out and unable to perform!! Acolite #886

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acolite if right after the 'off' I place a lay at 11 invariably it will get matched during the run of the race. I suspect that some of the features behind your system parameters are to do with horses running under poor conditions e.g. wrong distance, going, class etc so it will not be surprising if some of the selections show up well in the early stages of a race causing a shorterning of the odds before fading away. Thanks for your helpful observation, Acolite ... a couple of other people have mentioned that this is their experience, too. I don't ever bet in running myself, but I think I can see the logic ... Quote:

Originally Posted by acolite try to get to bed before 1.30 a.m.! We don't want you tired out and unable to perform!! 1.30 London time or Riga time??? ... ??? Actually I am in the UK at the moment ... 8) But it's true that flighty young fillies tire easily ... : __________________ maria santonix

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Eighth Day ... Tuesday 25th April ...

One or two dodgy shorties today ... I'm laying these ... Misaro 2.10 Folkestone ... Taranaki 2.10 Folkestone ... Spirit of Coniston 2.40 Folkestone ... Sublimity 2.40 Punchestown ... Queue Up 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Millinsky 3.10 Folkestone ... Welsh Whisper 3.20 Wolverhampton ... Galantos 3.30 Southwell ... Sanctity 3.40 Folkestone ... Our Ben 3.50 Punchestown ... Tem Commandments 3.50 Wolverhampton ... Beauchamp Trump 4.10 Folkestone ... Mount Royale 4.20 Wolverhampton ... King Egbert 4.50 Wolverhampton ... Sovietta 5.00 Southwell ... Platinum Charmer 5.00 Southwell ... Mood Music 5.10 Bath ... Gibbs Camp 5.15 Folkestone ... Summer Bounty 5.40 Bath ... Balance of Power 6.40 Bath Miss Pebbles 6.55 Towcester ... Mary Delaney 7.40 Bath ...

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Results Update: day 197 ...

Misaro 2.10 Folkestone ... 5/1, 6.4, £95.12 Taranaki 2.10 Folkestone ... 9/1, 11.0 £63.41 Spirit of Coniston 2.40 Folkestone ... 11/4, 4.0, £95.12 Sublimity 2.40 Punchestown ... 5/1, 7.0, £95.12 Queue Up 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 11.0, £63.41 Millinsky 3.10 Folkestone ... non-runner Welsh Whisper 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 8.4, £63.41 Galantos 3.30 Southwell ... 11/2, 5.4, £95.12 Sanctity 3.40 Folkestone ... 12/1, 10.5, £63.41 Our Ben 3.50 Punchestown ... 5/1, 6/4, £95.12 Ten Commandments 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.8, £63.41 Beauchamp Trump 4.10 Folkestone ... 10/1, 9.6, £63.41 Mount Royale 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 15/2, 7.4, £95.12 King Egbert 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.4, £95.12 Sovietta 5.00 Southwell ... 10/1, 10.5, £63.41 Platinum Charmer 5.00 Southwell ... 11/4, 3.4, £158.54 Mood Music 5.10 Bath ... 15/2, 7.0, £95.12 Gibbs Camp 5.15 Folkestone ... 10/1, 9.8, £63.41 Summer Bounty 5.40 Bath ... 8/1, 9.4, £63.41 Balance of Power 6.40 Bath ... 11/4, 3.45, £158.54

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Miss Pebbles 6.55 Towcester ... 8/1, 9.8, £63.41 Mary Delaney 7.40 Bath ... 11/4, 3.0, £158.54

Comments: I must admit that at 3.30 this afternoon it wasn't quite so clear that I'd get away with it again today! ... Today's takings were £1534.46 (that's £1615.23 less 5% commission) but the three nasty losses today came to £1268.25, and that brings Tuesday's net profit down to £266.21 with a great sigh of relief from me ... So the bank is now £16120.80, and tomorrow's stakes become £161.20, £96.72 and £64.48 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £266.21 Tomorrow's bank: £16120.80 Tomorrow's stakes: £161.20, £96.72 and £64.48 ... Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.68% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 64.73% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 437.36% Today's strike-rate: 18 wins from 21 selections = 85.71% April strike-rate: 274 wins from 307 selections = 89.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1689 wins from 1993 selections = 84.75%

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UP UP and UP Keep it going M __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Eighth Day ... Wednesday 26th April ...

Just the one or two to lay today ... Polish Emperor 1.50 Epsom ... Afric Star 2.04 Catterick ... Sad Times 2.05 Catterick ... Noble Concorde 2.05 Punchestown ... Choreography 2.40 Catterick ... Powerlove 3.05 Perth ... Impeller 3.30 Epsom ... Kid'z'play 3.40 Perth ... Gandor 4.05 Epsom ... Grave Matters 4.05 Epsom ... Nerone 4.15 Perth ... Rehearsal 4.15 Perth ... McEldowney 4.25 Catterick ... Polyphon 4.45 Perth ... Moor Spirit 4.45 Perth ... Follow The Bear 5.10 Worcester ... Oulton Broad 5.15 Perth ... Blue Maeve 5.25 Catterick ... Million Percent 5.25 Catterick ... Fieldsofclover 6.10 Worcester ... Paddy Boy 6.40 Worcester ... Crystal Gazer 7.00 Kempton ... Moscow Gold 7.40 Worcester ... Manoram 7.40 Worcester ... Zhivago's Princess ...

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Viking Spirit 8.25 Kempton ...

Good luck today! ... Note: it's not always easy to predict the "layability" of the evening ones at the time I post them for the afternoon. The liquidity isn't yet there for some of the evening ones to see the likely prices, so apologies in advance if anything turns out to be nowhere near the 11.0 cut-off. I can either risk this, and have to leave the occasional one out of the results if it's too long, or post the evening ones later in the day when there's more liquidity ... probably I'll try both methods, and we'll see how we get on. It would be enormously helpful to be able to score up the afternoon session first, sometimes increasing the stakes again before the evening racing, and would make the bank grow faster. It's more or less what I tried to do for myself last summer, but I'm not sure whether it would be realistic for anyone to duplicate it, especially as I can't always give a guaranteed posting-time, so that might be too ambitious for the thread ... For the moment, I'll continue like this anyway, adjusting the stakes "only" once per day, and we'll see what happens ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG

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I see that I had a blonde moment and missed out the race time of Zhivago's Princess in the selections post above ... : It actually runs in the 8.10 at Worcester ... 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #892

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Hi Maria Just joined this forum and I've been reading through this very interesting thread. I notice that at the start you started with a bank of £3000 and were selecting between 8 and 12 lays, by this time you are now selecting 20 plus horses. I'd be interested in starting betting using your selections, but obviously my bank wouldnt be at your present level, £3000 seems to be about right. Should I use all your selections from the outset? Thanks and good luck! #893

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Hi Paul,

Welcome to EBA ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul-B I notice that at the start you started with a bank of £3000 and were selecting between 8 and 12 lays, by this time you are now selecting 20 plus horses. Well ... at the start of this thread, yes ... I had already been laying with basically the same system for nearly a year when I started here, though. The difference in the number of selections is because of the time of the year. From May 1st until about August 30th (or maybe even a few days before May 1st, as you see) there's a lot

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more racing and my system can find more selections for that reason and others ... so it's coming up to the busiest time of the year for me ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul-B I'd be interested in starting betting using your selections, but obviously my bank wouldnt be at your present level, £3000 seems to be about right. Should I use all your selections from the outset? I'm always surprised how many people apparently follow them; I would have thought that they don't suit so many people, really ... ??? I think that if you're following them, it's better to do all the selections that you can lay within the cut-off of 11.0 ... otherwise you end up taking the risk that you can follow them and end up losing money through plain bad luck when everyone else is making a profit. Picking and choosing, or trying to fit this "information" in with other "information" or "selections" is not recommended at all! ... > The answers to all your other questions depend on how experienced you are with laying; but basically be very careful! Be aware that we can have losing months (and I have done, even in this thread which appears at the moment to be having such a good run: the good run can change tomorrow or even today). It's absolutely not a license to print money. It needs lots of patience and discipline, really. It can be very time-consuming, annoying and difficult, and so on. There are many disadvantages which I sometimes think people aren't really aware of until they actually start doing the betting ... Having said all that, good luck ... ;D And if you can bothered to read quickly through the whole thread (no easy task now that there's about 60 pages of the damn stuff!!) you'll probably find that most questions have been asked before and neatly avoided by me on the way through because actually I don't always know what I'm talking about ... If other questions arise you're welcome to try them out here or you can always send me a private message if you prefer, and I do answer all of them when I can ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #894

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Results Update: day 198 ...

Polish Emperor 1.50 Epsom ... 7/1, 7.4, £96.72 Afric Star 2.04 Catterick ... 6/1, 5.2, £96.72 Sad Times 2.05 Catterick ... 10/3, 4.8, £96.72 Noble Concorde 2.05 Punchestown ... 8/1, 8.8, £64.48 Choreography 2.40 Catterick ... 7/1, 8.6, £64.48 Powerlove 3.05 Perth ... 8/1, 8.6, £64.48 Impeller 3.30 Epsom ... 11/2, 7.2, £96.72 Kid'z'play 3.40 Perth ... 7/1, 6.0, £96.72 Gandor 4.05 Epsom ... 3/1, 3.7, £261.15 Grave Matters 4.05 Epsom ... 12/1, 10.5, £64.48 Nerone 4.15 Perth ... 11/2, 7.2, £96.72 Rehearsal 4.15 Perth ... 4/1, 6.0, £96.72 McEldowney 4.25 Catterick ... 5/1, 7.4, £96.72 Polyphon 4.45 Perth ... 7/1, 4.8, £96.72 Moor Spirit 4.45 Perth ... 7/1, 9.0, £64.48 Follow The Bear 5.10 Worcester ... 16/1!!, 7.2, £96.72 Oulton Broad 5.15 Perth ... 7/1, 8.8, £64.48 Blue Maeve 5.25 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.4, £96.72 Million Percent 5.25 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.4, £96.72 Fieldsofclover 6.10 Worcester ... 15/8, 3.15, £161.20 Paddy Boy 6.40 Worcester ... 7/4, 2.98, £161.20 Crystal Gazer 7.00 Kempton ... 2/1, 3.0, £161.20 Moscow Gold 7.40 Worcester ... 6/1, 7.4, £96.72 Manoram 7.40 Worcester ... 10/1, 11.0, £64.48

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Zhivago's Princess 8.10 Worcester ... 5/1, 4.9, £96.72 Viking Spirit 8.25 Kempton ... 8/1, 9.0, £64.48

Comments: Today for once, in fact probably for the first time ever, I was actually right about which one was going the be the "hardest match": Manoram - not too easy. I got some on below 11.0 and more above 11.0, but it stays in the results because 11.5 was very easy and the SP was 10/1 anyway ... :P Today's takings were £2235.84 (that's £2353.52 less 5% commission) and the nasty loss of £261.15 brings Wednesday's net profit down to £1974.69 ... starting to add up now, isn't it? ... The bank is now £18095.49, and tomorrow's stakes are £180.95, £108.57 and £72.38 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £1974.69 Tomorrow's bank: £18095.49 Tomorrow's stakes: £180.95, £108.57 and £72.38

Bank increase/(loss) today: 12.25% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 84.9% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 503.18% Today's strike-rate: 25 wins from 26 selections = 96.15% April strike-rate: 299 wins from 333 selections = 89.79% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1714 wins from 2019 selections = 84.89% I can hardly believe it but this months strike-rate is approaching 90% and over about 8 months it's approaching 85%, a whole 1.5% more than expected when I started listing them here, which has made a very big difference to the profits: really, a very lucky run ... ;D

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;D Another Great Day Maria __________________ Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke #896

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Are you sure you calculated today's loss correctly? ??? #897

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Originally Posted by bro Are you sure you calculated today's loss correctly? ??? I'm never certain, to be honest. And on a really busy day with 26 lays I can easily make a mistake ... I laid Gandor to a backer's stake of £96.72 at a Betfair price of 3.7 (2.7/1) so it cost

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me 2.7 x £96.72 = £261.15 ... I didn't lay it to the best possible price, I realise, but that's nothing new: according to the SportingLife report, it "touched 5/2" but I didn't see much sign of that myself (I'd probably already been matched at 3.7 before it got to 3.5 or whatever). I apparently did better than SP anyway, so no complaints from me ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #898

27-04-2006, 11:24 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Hi Maria, I'm a new follower of your system, and I just wondered if you could advise when you recommend placing the bets on your lays. I placed my bets in the last 5 minutes before each race yesterday and obtained some very different results to yours (i.e. Gandor price of 4.3, and never able to get less than 12.5 for either Noble Concorde or Grave Matters). Keep up the excellent work! #899

27-04-2006, 11:36 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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The Bandit, it's a hard balance to get right.When i saw the selections yesterday i layed them straight away and layed Gandor 5/1 :'( but got alot of the drifters matched quickly which would have been hard to lay near the off time of the race. If you wait until close to the off i think you will lay the winners at shorter odds but

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struggle abit trying to get matched on some of the drifting bigger priced losers but if you lay them early you often lay over the odds on the winners but almost guarantee getting the big drifters matched. I think there is no right or wrong answer as to when to get matched. #900

27-04-2006, 11:38 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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are you followers of the system makingmoney aswell?

27-04-2006, 11:45 AM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Winner 1, Thanks for the reply. How long have you been following the selections? Are you making similar profits to Maria's? I made a profit yesterday, but it wasn't in line with Maria's (because I wasn't matched on 2 of the selections and took a higher price on Gandor). I'm just concerned that if I don't get the basics right - on a losing day I could cause some severe damage. #902

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The Bandit, I've been watching the thread for 3 or 4 weeks but didn't know when to start laying them as i guess i was waiting for a dodgy losing day and start after that but the profits kept on increasing so i thought what the hell and started laying them around 2 weeks ago.The first couple of days were abit up abit down and i thought damn i've put a hoodoo on the system but after that i started making profits,as i only started a couple of weeks ago i don't lay to anything like those stakes,i probably lay abit under half those stakes. Some of the selections will be impossible to lay after 1pm at 10/1 or less even though they were matched at shorter prices in the morning so you will just have to accept missing them or laying at much higher odds,i never go above 10/1 and have missed several selections because of it,i seem to lay alot of the winners a couple of points above Maria which is a slight worry but while the system is on a hot streak i'll keep on laying them. #903

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Ninth Day ... Thursday 27th April ... Not quite so many today - I expect one or two people will be pleased about that, but I'm disappointed, myself ... when I think I've got an edge, I want to exert it as often as possible, and in my experience the greater the number of selections, the lower the overall risk ... 8) I'm laying these ... Picture Frame 2.20 Beverley ... Mr Klick 2.20 Beverley ... Auenmoon 2.30 Perth ... Good Step 2.40 Punchestown ... Westcourt Dream 2.50 Beverley ... Drumossie 3.00 Perth ... Kalou 3.00 Perth ... Ballyrobert 3.10 Fontwell ... Scotmail 3.30 Perth ... Lord Oscar 3.40 Fontwell ... Accordion Etoile 3.50 Punchestown ... Burton Ash 4.50 Beverley ... Attaca 4.50 Beverley ...

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Roobihoo 5.00 Perth ... Sesame Rambler 5.00 Perth ... Caribbean Cove 5.10 Fontwell ... Materialize 5.25 Yarmouth ... Local Spirit 5.40 Southwell ... Captain Torrance 6.55 Yarmouth ... Smart Cassie 7.25 Yarmouth ... Devil's Island 7.55 Yarmouth ... Good luck today! ... ;D Will be back later to answer a couple of questions above ... 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #904

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Guys, may I respond briefly to some specific comments/questions and then make a few general comments ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bandit I just wondered if you could advise when you recommend placing the bets on your lays. This is a huge question and one I'll try to answer briefly at the end of this post. But for now, please note (a) it is very much "asked and answered" on earlier pages of the thread; (b) it's completely wrong (in my view) that this is "pure guesswork" or "swings and roundabouts" and (in my view) this is both an uninformed and a defeatist attitude ... > Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bandit I placed my bets in the last 5 minutes before each race yesterday and obtained some very different results to yours Yes; you will certainly have very different results from mine if you do that! My belief is that overall you will have much worse results. Given the very high turnover and

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small profit-margins of a laying business, it's even possible that you might not make an overall profit ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Winner1 I think there is no right or wrong answer as to when to get matched. I'm not trying to be argumentative, Winner1, but I would feel less than honest in myself if I let this comment pass without observing for the record that I completely disagree with it ... I think there are many right and wrong answers which require only a little bit of learning, observation and practice to show very dramatic improvements to your personal strike-rate of "getting it right" ... I suggest that anyone who has ever done any form of chart-based financial trading (it was what my father used to do for a job) will agree with this point of view, and that's a lot of people ... Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bandit I'm just concerned that if I don't get the basics right - on a losing day I could cause some severe damage.

Yes; I think this is exactly the thing you should be scared about ... On a day like yesterday, when there are 25 winning lays out of 26 and the loser was pretty cheap even if you laid it to a bad price, even a Russian diplomat could follow the selections and make a profit. This has been true of quite a lot of days recently ... these days are not particularly important. What matters is the other days, the ones where my system throws up three consecutive winners (it can happen - not often, thank God - but it's scary when it does), and the days when I make a small profit and some of the people following the selections make a small loss ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Winner1 i guess i was waiting for a dodgy losing day and start after that You surely didn't imagine that the day after a dodgy losing day is any less (or more) likely to be a losing day than any other day? ... If you go into the casino to play roulette, Winner1, if you are planning to bet on black, would you imagine that it's a good idea to wait for a string of reds before you make your first bet? I think that's what you're saying? ...

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Please excuse me teasing your comment ... I don't mean it unpleasantly, I hope and trust you appreciate! ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Winner1 while the system is on a hot streak i'll keep on laying them. Sup chew, obviously. But please see also my comments on earlier pages about the ways that people can manage, overall, to miss all the most profitable days but take in all the most expensive ones ... I have nearly stopped saying this, because people used to make fun of me for it, sometimes without mercy, but it really, really is a very long-term business of patience and discipline. If you don't like discipline (I don't mean you personally, of course, I mean "one"), it's not for you ... And now a few more general comments, just while I have a few minutes ... I think that what a lot of the chat above boils down to, if I may try to summarise it in a sentence, is "When is it right to lay to an early price and when is it right to wait for a later one?" There's a lot on earlier pages responding to this, but let me see if I can offer a few brief comments now, as well, to see if I can make this question go away! (Well, there is no harm in dreaming!) ... (i) It's a good and important question and one that has answers. I am going to be really outspoken here and say (because it's so true!) that this business is not suitable for people who believe that it will always be "pure guesswork" and that people who tell you that it is simply don't know what they're talking about ... (ii) It's true that you will never be able to get all of them right; the thing is to try to improve from the 50/50 chance you have by random luck ... (iii) It's all about recognising patterns, really. Patterns of trainer/jockey/course combinations, and especially patterns of which way charts are likely to move. This is a subject about which many, many, many books have been written. (I have sometimes noticed that the people who tend to be dismissive of this subject haven't read any of them.) There are a couple of these books recommended on earlier pages of the thread ... (iv) A useful rule of thumb for me when I was starting off was that "shorty favourites" are likely to shorten, and that anything else can drift. Very, very simplistic, of course, but it will be true perhaps 60% of the time, rather than the 50% you'd expect "by chance alone" ... 8) (v) I suspect that a lot of "increasing the proportion of instances where you get it right" is down to what people call "experience" which is (often) a clouded-up way of trying to summarise all the little things you've observed from looking at these charts as the thousands of lays you've put on add up ... I suppose in a sense I'm being a bit

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defensive here and saying "Look: this is the nearest thing I have to a full-time job and I've laid thousands and thousands of horses over a couple of years with my own real money every day and my guess is that I'm going to be better at it than you are, so please don't complain too much if overall I lay to better prices than you do!" ... but I think that can easily be taken the wrong way and the last thing I want to do is sound rude! ... :-[ Today ... from looking at Betfair's "money charts", Roobihoo (5.00 Perth) was a "very obvious drifter" and I laid it early at 8.4. Sesame Rambler in the same race was a "slightly less obvious drifter" and I laid it early to 8.6. But I get some wrong as well ... like Good Step in the 2.40 at Punchestown: (yes, the Irish ones are not nearly so easy, I know) ... I laid it to 8.0 and of course it won the damn race ... but the staking system I use takes the worst "bumps" out of these accidents, you know ... :-\ I also laid Mr. Klick (who also won the damn race) at 6.00 earlier than I should have done, and of course he came in to 9/2 ... so I don't always get them right either, if it's any consolation ... :P Anyway, at the moment, today is feeling like a pretty bad day to me! So I suggest that you see if you still feel like doing them tomorrow! ...

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PS ... : I've just thought of another thing mentioned on earlier pages but well worth repeating, in case it actually helps anyone ... I almost never "accept anyone else's price" when laying: I put up my lay, if possible, in the spread, and let someone else accept my price instead ... might not sound very significant but overall it makes quite a difference if you think about what the turnover is, here ... ;D

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Don't let anyone tell you that markets are "unidirectional": there are always fluctuations. You will almost never miss out big-time from doing this (and in my experience you will almost always get matched very quickly indeed anyway - it's not even "ambitious"!) ... 8) Only three bets to go now today ... it's going to be touch and go whether I am making a profit or a loss today. A loss for sure if one of them wins, but a profit, just about, I think, if there are no more accidents, please God ... :-\ Lastly, the results update might be late, tonight: I am going out soon for "silly cocktails" ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #906

27-04-2006, 05:47 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Maria, Many thanks for your very comprehensive reply. Just one more question if I may, would it be worthwhile requesting a (low) price on all of your selections as soon as they appear on the forum? In other words, after looking at the bookmakers prices and the betfair prices - request a price thats say 20% less in the hope that it may get matched over the course of the day. Please excuse me if you've already answered that question in a previous post - I'm slowly working my way through the threads whilst trying to get to grips with the system. Once again, many thanks. #907

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I am going out soon for "silly cocktails" ...

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Originally Posted by favs Watch Out for any Blind Men sat at the Bar

Noooooooh ... the blind are too busy leading the blind ... Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bandit would it be worthwhile requesting a (low) price on all of your selections as soon as they appear on the forum? In other words, after looking at the bookmakers prices and the betfair prices - request a price thats say 20% less in the hope that it may get matched over the course of the day.

Well ... yes and no ... You'll be surprised that quite a few get matched if you try that. The problem is that you'll miss the boat on probably more of them, that drift ... My own feeling about these is that more drift than shorten. I know there are loads of counterexamples, and I know that not everyone agrees with this, but that's my own feeling, for what it's worth. Obviously, shorty favourites are unlikely to drift and you can leave them without great risk. And if I think there's any chance of something that's high-ish touching 7.4, then I will leave 7.4 unmatched for a while because it's

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my cut-off, (and you'll see from the results that I get a lot matched at 7.4 even if they later start at 9/1 or something - and that's really significant to me because, using today's stakes as an example, every time that happens I can take £108.57 out of the race instead of just £72.38 ... and those differences pay for the losers (winners)! ... but apart from those cases, personally if I'm "down to a guess", I guess that they will drift, and I take early prices (or put early prices in the spread and let them be taken quickly, I should say), so that's my "main answer", really ... : I know it's not really all that helpful, sorry ... :-[ And bear in mind that sometimes (as with Auenmoon 2.30 Perth today) I sell 7.4 and then the damn selection starts at 4/1 or 9/2 or something ... :P I'm only a tiny bit embarrassed to say that every day I'm probably matched on about 70% of the selections before I post them here ... :-[ So ... results update: day 199 ... 8) Not the best day in history for the system ... :-\

Picture Frame 2.20 Beverley ... 9/1, 11.0, £72.38 Mr Klick 2.20 Beverley ... 9/2, 6.00, £108.57 Auenmoon 2.30 Perth ... 9/2, 7.4, £108.57 Good Step 2.40 Punchestown ... 11/2, 8.0, £72.38 Westcourt Dream 2.50 Beverley ... 7/2, 6.6, £108.57 Drumossie 3.00 Perth ... 9/2, 5.8, £108.57 Kalou 3.00 Perth ... 7/1, 5.8, £108.57 Ballyrobert 3.10 Fontwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £72.38 Scotmail 3.30 Perth ... 8/1, 8.4, £72.38 Lord Oscar 3.40 Fontwell ... 10/3, 5.3, £108.57 Accordion Etoile 3.50 Punchestown ... 9/4, 4.1, £108.57 Burton Ash 4.50 Beverley ... 7/1, 9.6, £72.38 Attaca 4.50 Beverley ... 13/2, 8.8, £72.38 Roobihoo 5.00 Perth ... 15/2, 8.4, £72.38 Sesame Rambler 5.00 Perth ... 9/1, 8.6, £72.38 Caribbean Cove 5.10 Fontwell ... 5/2, 5.6, £108.57 Materialize 5.25 Yarmouth ... 6/1, 7.4, £108.57

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Local Spirit 5.40 Southwell ... 7/4, 3.35, £180.95 Captain Torrance 6.55 Yarmouth ... 11/2, 5.05, £108.57 Smart Cassie 7.25 Yarmouth ... 12/1, 11.0 £72.38 Devil's Island 7.55 Yarmouth ... 11/4, 5.4, £72.38

Comments: Ok ... I made about £120 today (a bit more really because my commission's so low), and that always makes me worry when I post the results, and think "someone following these could actually have lost money today" ... but actually today I think and hope not, because I laid all the 3 winners to pretty bad prices!! ... :-[ I offer the comment that if you lay to fixed liability, then every time the horse loses, it actually matters what price you laid to - in other words most of the time! At least with this staking system, it only matters if they actually win the race. Which as you can see over the year is less than 16% of the time ... ;D I do appreciate that this isn't necessarily a mathematically coherent argument, but to me it's a very persuasive psychological point. I think maybe my nerves might get bad if I had to worry about 85% of the prices instead of 15%! ... More rambling comments about today's lays for those interested ... first and foremost, note that I laid all three winners to bad prices (that's why with an 85% strike-rate, which is pretty good, I made only £121 or something) and still nobody came to take me away and lock me up and I made a profit on the day, after all, albeit that I did much too much work for it, which is where the "patience and discipline" come into it ...

Auenmoon: made a mistake here ... laid to 7.4 and it came in miles further ... :

Westcour Dream: ditto, had no idea it would start at 7/2 ... :

Kalou: obvious drifter ... Accordion Etoile: allegedly started at 9/4, makes you wonder how they determine SP, I defy anyone to have laid it at that price or close ... Irish too ... :

Attaca: tried and failed to sell 7.4 and ended up laying to a bad price ... : Roobihoo: ditto, plus comment above in previous post (not entirely correct, as it turned out) ... :

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And so on ... Anyway, today's takings were £1615.88 (that's £1700.98 less 5% commission) but three nasty losses adding up to £1494.65 brings Thursday's net profit crashing down to £121.23 ... The bank has now reached £18216.72, and tomorrow's stakes are £182.16, £109.30 and £72.87 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £121.23 Tomorrow's bank: £18216.72 Tomorrow's stakes: £182.16, £109.30 and £72.87 ... Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.67% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 86.15% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 507.22% Today's strike-rate: 18 wins from 21 selections = 85.71% April strike-rate: 317 wins from 354 selections = 89.55% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1732 wins from 2040 selections = 84.9%

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Hi Maria What time is it ! 8) Early to bed Early to rise Makes a man healthy , wealthy and wise.

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Thanks for recommending Nigel Paul's book Lay, Back etc. I bought it and found it helpful in making me think more clearly about how to Lay on betfair.

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Hello Alex Quote:

Originally Posted by AuldAyr What time is it ! This depends, as ever, on your time zone. It's a bit location specific, not really an absolute. I think Einstein wrote about this ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by AuldAyr Makes a man healthy , wealthy and wise. Sounds from whatever you are quoting that it doesn't necessarily apply to girls, anyway? ...

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The Two-Hundredth Day ...

Not many to lay today, really ... bit of a quiet day all round ... I'm laying these ... Enforcer 1.45 Sandown ... Crosspeace 1.45 Sandown ... Beautiful Night 2.00 Perth ... Paso Doble 2.10 Wobblyhampton ... Tamango 2.20 Sandown ... Sarah's Art 2.45 Wobblyhampton ... Champagne Moment 2.45 Wobblyhampton ... Silver Blue 2.55 Sandown ... Cloudless Dawn 3.05 Perth ... Hardy Eustace 3.15 Punchestown ... Golden Spectrum 3.20 Wobblyhampton ... Lord Rodney 3.30 Sandown ... Saddlers Cloth 3.30 Sandown ... Tell 4.05 Sandown ... Moustique de L'is 4.15 Perth ... Noble Buck 4.15 Perth ... Forever Eyesofblue 4.45 Perth ... Noir et Vert 4.45 Perth ... Simonovski 4.55 Newton Abbot ... Hiawatha 4.55 Newton Abbot ... Post It 4.55 Newton Abbot ... Terenzium 5.00 Wobblyhampton ... Haile Selassie 5.25 Newton Abbot ... Mill Bank 5.40 Chepstow ... Rude Health 5.55 Newton Abbot ... Wargs to Riches 5.55 Newton Abbot ... Cash On 6.55 Newton Abbot ... Moon Catcher 7.10 Chepstow ... Gala Evening 8.10 Chepstow ...

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Results update: day 200 ...

Enforcer 1.45 Sandown ... 13/2, 8.2, £72.87 Crosspeace 1.45 Sandown ... 11/1, 11.0 £72.87 Beautiful Night 2.00 Perth ... 9/1, 8.8, £72.87 Paso Doble 2.10 Wobblyhampton ... 8/1, 7.2, £109.30 Tamango 2.20 Sandown ... 7/2, 6.6, £109.30 Sarah's Art 2.45 Wobblyhampton ... 14/1!!, 10.5, £72.87 Champagne Moment 2.45 Wobblyhampton ... 7/1, 8.6, £72.87 Silver Blue 2.55 Sandown ... 9/4, 2.77, £182.16 Cloudless Dawn 3.05 Perth ... 15/2, 10.0, £72.87 "Hardly Useless" 3.15 Punchestown ... 4/1, 5.6, £109.30 Golden Spectrum 3.20 Wobblyhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £109.30 Lord Rodney 3.30 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.2, £109.30 Saddlers Cloth 3.30 Sandown ... 15/2, 8.6, £109.30 Tell 4.05 Sandown ... 5/1, 7.0, £109.30 Moustique de L'isl 4.15 Perth ... 8/1, 9.0, £72.87 Noble Buck 4.15 Perth ... 5/1, 6.6, £109.30 Forever Eyesofblue 4.45 Perth ... 6/1, 7.4, £109.30

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Noir et Vert 4.45 Perth ... 11/4, 3.15, £182.16 Simonovski 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 8.2, £72.87 Hiawatha 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 15/2, 7.4, £109.30 Post It 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 14/1!, 10.0, £72.87 Terenzium 5.00 Wobblyhampton ... 9/1, 6.6, £109.30 Haile Selassie 5.25 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 8.6, £72.87 Mill Bank 5.40 Chepstow ... 9/2, 7.4, £109.30 Rude Health 5.55 Newton Abbot ... 10/3, 4.8, £109.30 Wrags to Riches 5.55 Newton Abbot ... non-runner ... Cash On 6.55 Newton Abbot ...10/3, 3.33, £182.16 Moon Catcher 7.10 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.4, £109.30 Gala Evening 8.10 Chepstow ... 9/1, 9.6, £72.87

Comments: Today's takings were £2457.45 (that's £2586.79 less 5% commission) but two nasty losses adding up to £1003.72 bring Friday's net profit down to £1453.73 - still a much better day's work than yesterday's ... The bank has now reached £19670.45, and tomorrow's stakes are £196.70, £118.02 and £78.68 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £1453.73 Tomorrow's bank: £19670.45 Tomorrow's stakes: £196.70, £118.02 and £78.68 Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.98% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 101%% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 555.68% Today's strike-rate: 26 wins from 28 selections = 92.86% April strike-rate: 343 wins from 382 selections = 89.79% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1758 wins from 2068 selections = 85.01% !! Well, it's a very, very lucky month for the system ... all I can say is that this year's results seem at the moment to be 1.5% better in strike-rate than last year's, without me really doing anything much to make that happen ...

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28-04-2006, 09:33 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Personal Note To Self:

Prior to backing make sure Maria hasn't layed it Well done Maria - an amazing demonstration of compounding interest #914

28-04-2006, 11:27 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Kiwi Kidski ... welcome to EBA ...

... actually I've just sent you a message

elsewhere ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #915

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29-04-2006, 12:14 AM

MayoMan

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Hi Maria, Congratulations, seems to be going really well. Wow, what a fan club. Aaaahh, those prices, mmmmmmmm. #916

29-04-2006, 12:19 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Oneth Day ... Saturday 29th April ... Seraph 2.00 Market Rasen ... High Curragh 2.30 Ripon ... Zidane 2.55 Leicester ... Ramblees Holly 3.10 Market Rasen ... My Will 3.20 Sandown ... Quito 4.00 Leicester ... Hucking Hope 4.10 Ripon ... Riverside Dancer 4.10 Ripon ... Kercabellec 4.15 Market Rasen ... Mikasa 4.15 Market Rasen ... Sailor A'Hoy 4.45 Market Rasen ... Good Outlook 4.45 Market Rasen ... Lanmire Tower 4.45 Market Rasen ... Esprit D'Amour 5.45 Haydock ... Cape Diamond 6.05 Leicester ... Fraternity 7.00 Wolverhampton ... Twinned 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Frank's Quest 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Good luck today! ... ;D

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The snowball is growing inexorably and gathering speed daily 8) #918

29-04-2006, 08:27 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 201 ...

Seraph 2.00 Market Rasen ... 7/1, 10.5, £78.68 High Curragh 2.30 Ripon ... 11/2, 7.2, £118.02 Zidane 2.55 Leicester ... 3/1, 4.5, £118.02 Ramblees Holly 3.10 Market Rasen ... 7/1, 8.0, £78.68 My Will 3.20 Sandown ... 8/1, 6.0, £118.02 Quito 4.00 Leicester ... 8/1, 6.0, £118.02 Hucking Hope 4.10 Ripon ... 13/2, 6.2, £118.02 Riverside Dancer 4.10 Ripon ... 7/2, 4.8, £118.02 Kercabellec 4.15 Market Rasen ... 15/2, 8.8, £78.68

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Mikasa 4.15 Market Rasen ... 15/2, 9.8, £78.68 Sailor A'Hoy 4.45 Market Rasen ... 10/1, 8.8, £78.68 Good Outlook 4.45 Market Rasen ... 9/2, 4.2, £118.02 Lanmire Tower 4.45 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 7.4, £118.02 Esprit D'Amour 5.45 Haydock ... 13/2, 7.4, £118.02 Cape Diamond 6.05 Leicester ... 10/3, 5.1, £118.02 Fraternity 7.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £118.02 Twinned 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 4.6, £118.02 Frank's Quest 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 10.0, £78.68 results ...

but omitted from

Comments: I was matched early at 10.0 on Frank's Quest, but I think people reading this later won't have managed to be matched within 11.0 because it drifted a lot before coming back in to its SP of 12/1, so I'll leave it out of the results ... :-\ So today's takings, excluding that one, were £1569.66 (that's £1652.28 less 5% commission) but the loss of £448.48 on the nasty winner brings Saturday's net profit down to £1121.18 ...

The bank has now reached £20791.63 ... And tomorrow's stakes are therefore £207.91, £124.74 and £83.16 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £1121.18 Tomorrow's bank: £20791.63 Tomorrow's stakes: £207.91, £124.74 and £83.16 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.7% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 112.45% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 593.05% Today's strike-rate: 17 wins from 18 selections = 94.44% April strike-rate: 360 wins from 400 selections = 90% !! Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1775 wins from 2086 selections = 85.09%

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29-04-2006, 08:46 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Very, very good

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30-04-2006, 01:13 AM

MayoMan

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Hi Maria, Congratulations on another result day. It's gratifying to record, that you are taking a more pragmatic approach regarding prices.

30-04-2006, 10:36 AM

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Hi Maria, Can't believe I've only just stumbled across this thread.....absolutely superb performance !!! .... and you should be congratulated for putting in the obvious effort involved. Outstanding results and clear stats - keep up the good work ! I'm sure you've answered many questions throughout the 60+ pages (!) and I suspect this one has already been answered, but.... My question is......would profits have been increased by laying the horses in the place market rather than the win market ? cheers RG #922

30-04-2006, 12:39 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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First, thanks very much to the two people who sent PM's saying that they were in fact matched (and both at a better price than me) on the last runner yesterday ... I noticed that at one point it had drifted all the way to 25.0(!) and thought "better leave that one out of the results", so I won't mess about and add it back in now. But I'm pleased you did better than I imagined ... Quote:

Originally Posted by racinggreen2003 would profits have been increased by laying the horses in the place market rather than the win market ? Hi RG; no - I believe they wouldn't, but it's actually a huge question to answer, given that I can't conclusively prove it. I'll reply in a little more detail later today, please excuse me for the moment ...

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The Two-Hundred-And-Twoth Day ... Sunday 30th April ... Looks like we have to end the month quietly here, because there isn't so much racing today and my system hasn't produced very much out of what there is, either ... :P I'm laying these ... Maryscross 2.20 Wetherby ... Conroy 2.35 Ludlow ... Federal 3.10 Ludlow ... Orpen Wide 3.10 Ludlow ... Siegfriends Night 4.20 Ludlow ... Marrel (place lay) 4.20 Ludlow ... Balmoral Queen 4.40 Wetherby ... Redwood Star 5.35 Brighton ... Good luck! ... 8) __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #923

30-04-2006, 05:12 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 202 ...

Maryscross 2.20 Wetherby ... 11/2, 5.8, £124.74 Conroy 2.35 Ludlow ... 5/1, 5.9, £124.74 Mac Federal 3.10 Ludlow ... 7/1, 7.4, £124.74 Orpen Wide 3.10 Ludlow ... 8/1, 8.8, £83.16 Siegfriends Night 4.20 Ludlow ... 8/1, 9.0, £83.16 Marrel (place lay) 4.20 Ludlow ... 4.9, £124.74 Balmoral Queen 4.40 Wetherby ... 9/1, 9.0, £83.16

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Redwood Star 5.35 Brighton ... 10/1, 10.5, £83.16

Comments: As I was discussing with my friend Joemugg in another thread earlier today, I'm not at all proud of having included Orpen Wide. Apologies. On a better day I might just about have excluded it as a "discretionary exclusion", to be honest, which I do occasionally do if I'm worried about one ... :-[ It was all a bit of a waste of time, today, because of that. I actually made about £60, but anyone laying Orpen Wide to a worse price than me will have made less, or even lost a bit, I suppose ... Today's takings were £711.01 (that's £748.44 less 5% commission) but the loss of £648.65 on the nasty winner brings Sunday's net profit down to a mere £62.36 ... but I'll add that on the results, especially having done the results out of about £80 yesterday! ... :P The bank has now reached £20853.99, so that's where we declare the month's results and where the next month starts ... Tomorrow's stakes are therefore £208.53, £125.12 and £83.41 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30 Profit/(loss) today: £62.36 Tomorrow's bank: £20853.99 Tomorrow's stakes: £208.53, £125.12 and £83.41 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.3% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 113.09% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 595.1% Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5% April strike-rate: 367 wins from 408 selections = 89.95% (see: I said it would be less than 90%!!) Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1782 wins from 2094 selections = 85.1% Round-up of the month Not so much to say, really: everyone can see that I've just been phenomenally lucky, here ... Please don't imagine that there will ever be another month like this: I'll do my best, but it may never happen again! ... Next month begins with a Bank Holiday (tomorrow), so I may decide to "go easy". Haven't even looked at the racecards anywhere yet ... so we'll see ...

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30-04-2006, 05:42 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

bro

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Hmmmmmm, ORPEN WIDE, i had a dutch on two others in that race. >

??? :

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30-04-2006, 05:58 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bro i had a dutch on two others in that race.

Ellerslie Tom and Cold Mountain, I suppose? Don't blame you: I had a win bet on Ellerslie Tom myself ... all aftertiming now, of course ... :P I could have sworn this horse had caught me out before, but he last won a race on 9th

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30-04-2006, 06:25 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

bro

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Yes, Ellerslie tom and Cold mountain, >

, but then i had another dutch on Song of

Vala and Guerilla in the 3.30 at Wetherby.

;D

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01-05-2006, 12:34 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Third Day ... "M'aidez ... M'aidez ..." ... Always a little bit uneasy about Bank Holiday racing, but I'm laying these anyway ... Triple Zero 2.05 Newcastle ... Creinch 2.15 Sedgefield ... Nina Blini 2.20 Warwick ... Starlight Gazer 2.30 Windsor ... Asaateel 2.40 Kempton ... Red Man 2.45 Sedgefield ... Rakata 2.50 Warwick ... Remember Ramon 3.05 Windsor ...

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Water Taxi 3.20 Sedgefield ... Sunderland Echo 3.40 Newcastle ... Steppe Dancer 3.45 Kempton ... Italian Romance 3.45 Kempton ... Chief Commander 4.10 Windsor ... Viva Volta 4.15 Newcastle ... Tiger Talk 4.25 Sedgefield ... Sea of Calm 4.30 Warwick ... Guildenstern 4.40 Windsor ... Auwitesweetheart 4.50 Kempton ... Riodan 4.55 Sedgefield ... Murrumbidgee 5.00 Warwick ... Dovedon Hero 5.25 Kempton ... Joshua's Gold 5.30 Warwick ... Prince of the May 5.30 Warwick ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #928

01-05-2006, 12:39 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

Viva

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Made up my three arn't there

chickened out and done them as a EW Patent :

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01-05-2006, 05:38 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 203 ...

Triple Zero 2.05 Newcastle ... 8/1, 9.8, £83.41 Creinch 2.15 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 9.8, £83.41 Nina Blini 2.20 Warwick ... 5/1, 8.2, £83.41 Starlight Gazer 2.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.4, £617.24 Asaateel 2.40 Kempton ... 9/1, 4.2, £83.41 Red Man 2.45 Sedgefield ... 11/4, 4.0, £125.12 Rakata 2.50 Warwick ... 5/1, 7.0, £125.12 Remember Ramon 3.05 Windsor ... 2/1, 2.4, £208.53 Water Taxi 3.20 Sedgefield ... 3/1, 5.1, £125.12 Sunderland Echo 3.40 Newcastle ... 8/1, 8.6, £83.41 Steppe Dancer 3.45 Kempton ... 4/1, 5.4, £125.12 Italian Romance 3.45 Kempton ... 11/2, 7.4, £125.12 Chief Commander 4.10 Windsor ... 11/4, 7.4, £125.12 Viva Volta 4.15 Newcastle ... 7/1, 7.4, £125.12 Tiger Talk 4.25 Sedgefield ... 12/1, 10.5, £83.41 Sea of Calm 4.30 Warwick ... 9/2, 6.8, £125.12 Guildenstern 4.40 Windsor ... 7/1, 7.4, £125.12 Auwitesweetheart 4.50 Kempton ... 8/1, 9.6, £83.41 Riodan 4.55 Sedgefield ... 7/2, 4.2, £125.12 Murrumbidgee 5.00 Warwick ... 8/1, 10.0, £83.41 Dovedon Hero 5.25 Kempton ... 11/2, 7.0, £125.12 Joshua's Gold 5.30 Warwick ... 7/1, 9.2, £83.41 Prince of the May 5.30 Warwick ... 9/1, 8.6, £83.41 Comments:

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I've never before laid 6 winners in a day ... It's sod's law, of course, that I laid a few to good prices, better than SP, today, but they were the ones that lost anyway so it didn't help me! ... In percentage terms, a loss of 5.62% in a day, though very unpleasant, is actually nowhere near the system's worst ever performance ...

We will get it back, of course ... Today's takings were £1664.06 (that's £1751.65 less 5% commission) but the six nasty losses added up to a shocking £2836.03, so that produces a net loss of £1171.97 on the day ...

Not a great start to the month ... : The bank has fallen back to £19682.02, and of course tomorrow's stakes are unchanged from today's ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: (£1171.97) Tomorrow's bank: £19682.02 Tomorrow's stakes: £208.53, £125.12 and £83.41 Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.62%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (5.62%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 556.07% Today's strike-rate: 17 wins from 23 selections = 73.91% May strike-rate: 17 wins from 23 selections = 73.91% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1800 wins from 2118 selections = 84.99% :P __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #930

01-05-2006, 05:51 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

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All I can say is THANK YOU BETFAIR!! I managed to do the first two today, then Betfair crashed. As they didn't get it back online for half an hour, I watched the next 2 go in and decided that combined with the Betfair crash it was a sufficiently bad omen to steer clear of betting for the rest of the day. I don't like bank holiday betting at all - I always seem to get stung.

01-05-2006, 06:18 PM Join Date: May 2004

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hi maria,just like to say well done i have been watching your thread for a few weeks and although i normally do not lay horses it's good to see someone who does and does it very well. #932

01-05-2006, 06:34 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bandit I managed to do the first two today, then Betfair crashed. As they didn't get it back online for half an hour, I watched the next 2 go in and decided that combined with the Betfair crash it was a sufficiently bad omen to steer clear of betting for the rest of the day. I don't like bank holiday betting at all - I always seem to get stung.

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Oooh, well judged, and well saved! I was hoping one or two people might have saved a bit this way. I'm afraid I didn't, myself ... but it will come back, anyway ... :-\ It's just infuriating not knowing whether or not your positions are matched! And of course if you try to call them, the lines/operators are all busy ... > Quote:

Originally Posted by jaden02 hi maria,just like to say well done i have been watching your thread for a few weeks and although i normally do not lay horses it's good to see someone who does and does it very well. Hi, and welcome to EBA and thanks for your kind remarks. A bit of a downer today, as you can see from the results, so always nice to see some friendly comment ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #933

01-05-2006, 07:19 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Hi Maria If it's any consolation, you saved my bacon the other day. If I hadn't taken your advice and switched from a unitary stake strategy to your laying staking plan, I would have been seriously damaged. The last two lays of the day won at 26 and 22 on betfair; next day the first lay won at 19 ! With my old staking plan of laying the same amount on all selections, my bank would now be as small as my brain (not large ). Thanks again Maria for sharing your maths and other expertise with us. You are a star. 8) Best wishes Alex #934

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AuldAyr The last two lays of the day won at 26 and 22 on betfair; next day the first lay won at 19 ! Eeeeeewwwwwww you are making my hands shake just reading about it, Alex! ... >

I'm sorry you took three so bad losses. Mind you, it appears you lay to exactly the same prices as my father, and I must say he really does extremely well out of it in the long run ... :-\ I wish both of us better luck for the rest of the month!! ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #935

02-05-2006, 10:01 AM Join Date: May 2006

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Hi Maria, New to EBA and this record is highly impressive. ;D I intend to follow your selections for the coming months - my question is are you intending to continue posting the lays for the foreseeable future? As you've said the system requires a long term approach, so though it would be prudent to check first!

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Thanks Mark #936

02-05-2006, 12:12 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Welcome to EBA, Mark. My plan at the moment is to post these selections until 31st August - but probably with some little breaks when I have exams ... :P The Two-Hundred-And-Fourth Day ... Tuesday 2nd May ... and sorry about yesterday ... :-[

All different today (maybe!!) ... I'm laying these ... Red Flare 2.00 Bath ... St Ivian 2.20 Wolverhampton ... Louve Heureuse 2.30 Bath ... Molly's Secret 2.40 Southwell ... Lysander's Quest 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Alqaab 3.00 Bath ... Blacktoft 3.10 Southwell ... Pending 3.50 Wolverhampton ... Magic Warrior 3.50 Wolverhampton ... Dishdasha 4.20 Wolverhampton ... Mi Odds 4.40 Southwell ... Muktasb 4.50 Wolverhampton ... Lucayos 5.00 Bath ... Khetaab 5.10 Southwell ... Lady Hopeful 5.20 Wolverhampton ... In Good Faith 5.40 Wincanton ... Joe Deane 6.10 Wincanton ... Kosmos Blue 6.10 Wincanton ... All Talk 7.00 Kempton ... Dante Citizen 7.10 Wincanton ... Zaffamore 7.10 Wincanton ... Desert Cristal 7.28 Kempton ... Wiggy Smith 7.40 Wincanton ... Secret Liaison 9.20 Kempton ...

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02-05-2006, 12:20 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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maria check your pms fast some info you might need #938

02-05-2006, 04:44 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Oooh, thanks, Joemugg - sorry, I'm not often out for ages in the afternoon while the racing's on, but my friend from Riga arrived today, she's never been to the UK before and we're "revising together" for exams, so naturally we had to look at the shops ... :

I am matched at 12.5 on All Talk in the 7.00 at Kempton and will have to decide whether or not to leave it out of the results, now ... so if anyone gets matched on it at 11.0 or less, pretty please let me know and I'll include it anyway!! ... :-[ :

(But if it wins the damn race, don't tell me! :P __________________ maria santonix

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02-05-2006, 08:47 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 204 ...

Red Flare 2.00 Bath ... 14/1, 11.0, £83.41 St Ivian 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.7, £125.12 Louve Heureuse 2.30 Bath ... 13/2, 10.0, £83.41 Molly's Secret 2.40 Southwell ... 11/1, 9.8, £83.41 Lysander's Quest 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 5.6, £83.41 Alqaab 3.00 Bath ... 3/1, 7.2!, £125.12 Blacktoft 3.10 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.2, £125.12 Pending 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.4, £125.12 Magic Warrior 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 15/2, 8.4, £83.41 Dishdasha 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 9.4, £125.12 Mi Odds 4.40 Southwell ... 12/1, 11.0, £83.41 Muktasb 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 6.6, £125.12 Lucayos 5.00 Bath ... 5/1, 6.2, £125.12 Khetaab 5.10 Southwell ... 15/2, 10.0, £83.41 Lady Hopeful 5.20 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £125.12 In Good Faith 5.40 Wincanton ... 11/1, 8.8, £83.42 Joe Deane 6.10 Wincanton ... 4/1, 6.8, £125.12 Kosmos Blue 6.10 Wincanton ... 7/1, 8.2, £83.41

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All Talk 7.00 Kempton ... 16/1, 12.5, £83.41

but left out of profits ... :-\

Dante Citizen 7.10 Wincanton ... 8/1, 10.0, £83.41 Zaffamore 7.10 Wincanton ... 9/1, 9.0, £83.41 Desert Cristal 7.28 Kempton ... 5/1, 6.0, £125.12 Wiggy Smith 7.40 Wincanton ... 6/1, 6.4, £125.12 Secret Liaison 9.20 Kempton ... 16/1!, 9.6, £83.41

Comments: A lot better than yesterday, it must be said with a sigh of relief ... I think it probably wasn't possible to lay All Talk within the cut-off of 11.0 ... I'm not sure because I stopped watching once I'd laid it to 12.5, to be honest ... so I'll leave it out of the results anyway ... : A couple of accidents, but today's takings were £2099.89 (that's £2210.42 less 5% commission). The accidents gave back £1217.80 of that, but that still leaves a profit of £882.09 on the day ... So the bank has made a partial recovery to £20564.11, and we'll just have to try and get the rest back tomorrow ... Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £882.09 Tomorrow's bank: £20564.11 Tomorrow's stakes: £208.53, £125.12 and £83.41 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.48% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.39%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 585.47% Today's strike-rate: 22 wins from 24 selections = 91.67% May strike-rate: 39 wins from 47 selections = 82.98% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1822 wins from 2142 selections = 85.06%

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifth Day ... Wednesday 3rd May ... Hucking Hill 2.00 Ling ... Fairfield Princess 2.00 Lingfield ... Riquewhir 2.40 Nottingham ... Hasayaz 2.50 Pontefract ... Selective 3.20 Pontefract ... Strike Up The Band 3.30 Lingfield ... River Thames 3.30 Lingfield ... Missoula 3.50 Pontefract ... Alcazar 4.00 Lingfield ... Dry Ice 4.30 Lingfield ... Merrymadcap 4.30 Lingfield ... Thorny Mandate 4.50 Pontefract ... Imperial Gain 5.00 Lingfield ... Denvale 6.00 Cheltenham ... Trinculo 7.00 Kempton ... Good luck today! ... 8) __________________ maria santonix My blog

03-05-2006, 07:42 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 205 ...

Hucking Hill 2.00 Ling ... 6/1, 7.4, £125.12

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Fairfield Princess 2.00 Lingfield ... 15/8, 3.0, £208.53 Riquewhir 2.40 Nottingham ... 8/1, 7.4, £125.12 Hasayaz 2.50 Pontefract ... 5/1, 6.6, £125.12 Selective 3.20 Pontefract ... 13/2, 7.4, £125.12 Strike Up The Band 3.30 Lingfield ... 7/1, 6.8, £125.12 River Thames 3.30 Lingfield ... non-runner ... Missoula 3.50 Pontefract ... 7/1, 10.5, £83.41 Alcazar 4.00 Lingfield ... non-runner ... Dry Ice 4.30 Lingfield ... 11/2, 5.9, £125.12 Merrymadcap 4.30 Lingfield ... 10.1, 9.6, £83.41 Thorny Mandate 4.50 Pontefract ... 8/1, 9.4, £83.41 Imperial Gain 5.00 Lingfield ... 17/2, 6.0, £125.12 Denvale 6.00 Cheltenham ... 10/1, 6.2, £125.12 Trinculo 7.00 Kempton ... 12/1, 11.0, £83.41 Comments: Today's takings were £1386.73 (that's £1459.72 less 5% commission); the loss was £700.65, but that still leaves a profit of £686.08 on the day ... So the bank has reached a new high at £21250.19 and tomorrow's stakes will be £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 - fairly round numbers for once! ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £686.08 Tomorrow's bank: £21250.19 Tomorrow's stakes: £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.34% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.9% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 608.34% Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31% May strike-rate: 51 wins from 60 selections = 85% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1834 wins from 2155 selections = 85.1%

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03-05-2006, 09:58 PM Join Date: Aug 2004

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Maria, Bon Choix, Bravooo, Superbe, Formidable !!! Merci Beaucoups Regards Sailaway #943

03-05-2006, 10:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Ne rien, merci bien, Monsieur ... seulement je suis desolée du méchant Thorny Mandate (je pense qu'il est trop thorny, n'est-ce pas?). I remember you; you backed Missie Bailey's in February when it won at 25/1, I think ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #944

04-05-2006, 08:13 AM

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Maria, Fabulous performance over the last 2 days, thankyou ;D I have been incredibly lucky, left out Magic Warrior by mistake :-[ , didn't get good enough odds for laying Kosmos Blue or All Talk and yesterday I had a feeling Thorny may just run a good race (Darley has scuppered me before) so left that out as well. Gives me a 100% record and 33 consecutive lays without a loser!! Haven't posted on forums much at all before so please forgive the apparent gloating, but I am so delighted with the start and it is all down to your system. Thanks again - I really am most grateful. Keep up the great work. #945

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Originally Posted by MarkKathy Haven't posted on forums much at all before so please forgive the apparent gloating Not at all; pleased to hear from you - thank you. I found out after the racing yesterday that a reliable friend of mine had had a bet on Thorny Mandate: might have missed it out myself if I'd known that earlier. But bear in mind that if you pick and choose with the selections, you're also taking the risk that you might occasionally lose when everyone else wins! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #946

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The Two-Hundred-And-Sixth Day (oooh, I am getting old here!) ... Thursday 4th May ...

I'm laying all these - quite a lot of them and some look really dangerous!! ... Allborn Lad 2.10 Hereford ... Karayel 2.30 Folkestone ... Brooklyn's Gold 2.40 Hereford ... Barton Flower 2.40 Hereford ... Cd Europe 2.50 Redcar ... Damarisco 3.10 Hereford ... Malech 3.20 Redcar ... Miss Brush 3.30 Folkestone ... Piccostar 3.30 Folkestone ... Spirit of Arosa 3.30 Folkestone ... Menphis Beury 3.40 Hereford ... Makeabreak 4.10 Hereford ... Moonlight Fantasy 4.30 Folkestone ... Captain Bolsh 4.30 Folkestone ... Mondial Jack 5.10 Hereford ... Smooch 5.20 Redcar ... Sea Map 5.45 Huntingdon ... Stormy Skye 6.15 Huntingdon ... Ultimate Limit 6.15 Huntingdon ... Deo Gratias 6.45 Huntingdon ... Silver Bow 6.45 Huntingdon ... Grigorovich 7.00 Musselburgh ... Runner Bean 7.45 Huntingdon ... Sir Brastias 7.45 Huntingdon ... Sgt Schultz 8.30 Musselburgh ...

Good luck today! ... 8)

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Oh dear, I've got fifty quid riding on Malech... can't wish you 100% luck today, Maria. :-X #948

04-05-2006, 01:52 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by Paul-B I've got fifty quid riding on Malech I thought Jamie was riding, today ... and maybe he will win ...

... (later) ... oh well, I got lucky, sorry ... : __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #949

04-05-2006, 08:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 206 ...

Allborn Lad 2.10 Hereford ... 11/1, 9.0, £85 Karayel 2.30 Folkestone ... 5/2, 3.7, £127.50 Brooklyn's Gold 2.40 Hereford ... 6/1, 3.8, £127.50 Barton Flower 2.40 Hereford ... 7/2, 4.7, £127.50 Cd Europe 2.50 Redcar ... 6/4, 2.44, £212.50 Damarisco 3.10 Hereford ... 7/2, 6.0, £127.50 Malech 3.20 Redcar ... 11/10, 2.18, £212.50 Miss Brush 3.30 Folkestone ... 13/2, 6.2, £127.50 Piccostar 3.30 Folkestone ... 8/1, 10.0, £85 Spirit of Arosa 3.30 Folkestone ... 9/2, 5.8, £127.50 Menphis Beury 3.40 Hereford ... 13/2, 7.4, £127.50 Makeabreak 4.10 Hereford ... 5/2, 4.0 £127.50 Moonlight Fantasy 4.30 Folkestone ... 4/1, 5.4, £127.50 Captain Bolsh 4.30 Folkestone ... 4/1, 7.4, £127.50 Mondial Jack 5.10 Hereford ... 5/1, 7.4, £127.50 Smooch 5.20 Redcar ... 10/1, 7.2, £127.50 Sea Map 5.45 Huntingdon ... 3/1, 5.0, £127.50 Stormy Skye 6.15 Huntingdon ... non-runner ... Ultimate Limit 6.15 Huntingdon ... 11/2, 7.4, £127.50 Deo Gratias 6.45 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 7.2, £127.50 Silver Bow 6.45 Huntingdon ... 5/1, 8.0, £85 Grigorovich 7.00 Musselburgh ... ?, 9.0, £85 Runner Bean 7.45 Huntingdon ... 7/2, 5.6, £127.50 Sir Brastias 7.45 Huntingdon ... non-runner Sgt Schultz 8.30 Musselburgh ... 5/2, 3.25, £212.50

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Comments: Revolting strike-rate today, absolutely dreadful; but that's damn shorties for you ... No damage done, anyway ... I'm too tired to comment further, really, after doing several hours' work on these and losing a bit at the end of it all ... Today's takings were £2220.62 (that's £2337.50 less 5% commission - and you'd think that would be enough to make a profit, wouldn't you? But no ... not necessarily ...); the losses came to £2329, and that actually leaves a deficit of £108.38 on the day ... :P So the bank is now £21141.81 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged, which means at least we can keep the nice round numbers! ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: (£108.38) Tomorrow's bank: £21141.81 Tomorrow's stakes: £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.51%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.39% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 604.73% Today's strike-rate: 19 wins from 24 selections = 79.17% May strike-rate: 70 wins from 84 selections = 83.33% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1853 wins from 2179 selections = 85.04%

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The Two-Hundred-And-Seventh Day ... Friday 5th May ... There's actually quite a lot I don't like about today's racing, one way and another, but anyway I'm laying these ... ??? :-\ Howards Prince 2.20 Musselburgh ... Cottingham 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Cupla Cairde 2.40 Southwell ... Viscount Rossini 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Romany Dream 3.40 Southwell ... Toulouse 3.40 Southwell ... Barton Park 3.40 Southwell ... Stoneacre Girl 4.00 Wolverhampton ... Willies Way 4.10 Southwell ... Grey Outlook 4.50 Musselburgh ... Joshua's Gold 5.20 Musselburgh ... Dusty Dane 5.40 Fontwell ... Bekstar 6.00 Bangor ... Hard N Sharp 6.40 Fontwell ... El Viejo 7.10 Fontwell ... Neltina 7.10 Fontwell ... Bronzesmith 7.30 Bangor ... Kingston Banker 7.40 Fontwell ... Test of Friendship 7.40 Fontwell ... Locha Castle 7.40 Fontwell ... Alfred The Grey 7.40 Fontwell ... Spanchil Hill 8.10 Fontwell ...

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10-05-2006, 12:41 PM

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Finnpark, Do you post your selections on any forums? I did for a while on the Goodbet forum but I stopped for obvious reasons. You can check out my past results there.

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10-05-2006, 01:18 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Finnpark, Welcome to our board. Please do not take this the wrong way but I get the impression that this is the forerunner of you selling your Lays. You are welcome to post them on a thread here. But if you are going top charge for them, please post in the Tipster Proofing thread. Thank you and good luck. __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #963

10-05-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by swebby Finnpark, Welcome to our board. Please do not take this the wrong way but I get the impression that this is the forerunner of you selling your Lays. You are welcome to post them on a thread here. But if you are going top charge for them, please post in the Tipster Proofing thread. Thank you and good luck.

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No, I don't intend posting them or advertising here. No worries there #964

10-05-2006, 01:58 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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what is the link to that forum Finnpark I think FIGAROS QUEST in the 3.00 is the best shortie lay today by the way :P #965

10-05-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EC what is the link to that forum Finnpark I think FIGAROS QUEST in the 3.00 is the best shortie lay today by the way :P Hope the moderator doesn't mind but since I found this site through their forum : http://www.goodbet.co.uk/forum.aspx . :-[ Hope its ok to do that. Good luck. PS. Think I jinxed Maria's selections ;D #966

10-05-2006, 02:18 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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cheers mate 8) #967

10-05-2006, 07:15 PM Join Date: Nov 2004

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Maria, What's your thinking on non-runners? I gave Kelso a miss tonight due to the high number of non-runners... just as well!

Thanks again for your selections. #968

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Originally Posted by achilles Maria, What's your thinking on non-runners? To be honest, I don't much like changing my mind so I usually just tolerate it and take a chance on them. Sometimes I'm not there anyway and don't know about them until later ... :-[ I know what you mean, though. But I suspect that in reality, trading out of a position

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is going to incur some sort of loss anyway ... :P Results update: day 208 ... Moorhouse Lad 2.30 Newcastle ... 13/2, 8.0, £85 :P Baron Blitzkrieg 2.40 Fakenham ... non-runner ... The Nawab 2.50 Chester ... 9/2, 6.2, £127.50 Divine Gift 3.20 Chester ... 11/2, 6.6, £127.50 :P Bukit Fraser 3.35 Newcastle ... 7/1, 7.4, £127.50 Remember Ramon 4.00 Chester ... 7/2, 4.6, £127.50 Moving Earth 4.20 Fakenham ... 8/1, 7.4, £127.50 Reverse Swing 4.55 Fakenham ... 7/4, 2.88, £212.50 Ngauruhoe 4.55 Fakenham ... 5/1, 7.4, £127.50 Dancing Deano 6.05 Ripon ... non-runner ... Desertina 6.05 Ripon ... 5/1, 6.6, £127.50 Yes Sir 6.20 Kelso ... 5/4, 2.0, £212.50 :P Il Castagno 7.05 Ripon ... 8/1, 8.6, £85 Paris Bell 7.35 Ripon ... 7/1, 7.4, £127.50 Tasjeel 8.05 Ripon ... 8/1, 9.0, £85 Capistrano 8.35 Ripon ... 15/8, 3.0, £212.50 :P

Comments: Damn shorties ... :P What a nasty first day back; sorry. For me, I suppose it all came down the last one, really ... I lost £425 instead of taking £212.50 on that, and that accounts for most of my day's loss (in a sense) ... > Today's takings were £1211.25 (that's £1275 less 5% commission); the four nasty losses came to £1946.50, and that leaves a deficit of £735.25 on the day ... :P So the bank is now £19694.68 and tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: (£735.25) Tomorrow's bank: £19694.68 Tomorrow's stakes: £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.6%)

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (5.55%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 556.49%

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Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 14 selections = 71.43% :P :P :P May strike-rate: 98 wins from 120 selections = 81.67% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1881 wins from 2215 selections = 84.92% At some point, we might manage to make some profit this month, but we'll have to get this 5.55% back first ... :

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10-05-2006, 10:17 PM Join Date: May 2006

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Hey unlucky today maria. I've been following this thread for a couple of months now and have been very impressed. Unfortunatley i don't quite have that bank balance :'( but was wandering if you could do me a lay of the day? you know the horse out of all your selections is most likley to lose! if it'll take to much time dont worry bout it but if you could i'd be most greatful ;D keep up the good work #970

10-05-2006, 10:43 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Futurism, and welcome to EBA ... Thanks ... yes, today was a bit miserable. Well, I always have losing days, and there can be losing months too, of course: it's a really long-term business. Quote:

Originally Posted by Futurism Unfortunatley i don't quite have that bank balance I understand ... I originally started off my entire punting activites with 1000 Lati (that was then about £1,150) and am building up slowly. It can be done, and with your interest in the future, you'll know that ... I'd say that the thing to do, operating on a smaller scale, is to do them all but to lower stakes, not to cut the numbers down. If you try to do it by cutting the numbers down, you'll be magnifying the risk out of all proportion. I don't say your chances of a bad run will be any higher, but the effect of a bad run on your bank will be catastrophic. With my system anyway (and in my opinion with many others, too) the more selections you lay, the safer you are, because you are spreading the risk and making disaster less likely. It's always a thought, really ... : But to answer your actual question, I don't ever know which one of my selections is most likely to lose, I'm afraid ... ??? It's just a numbers game. Over the course of the year, a certain proportion of them (between 83 and 84% in my case) will be winning lays, i.e. losing horses, and with this staking-plan to protect me from really gross accidents (I hope!) I can just compound my money daily, a tiny, tiny bit at a time, with my tiny, tiny POI and my enormous turnover. By "enormous turnover" I don't mean that I've got £20000 in the account - the turnover was proportionately exactly the same when I had a fraction of that. I don't know (or need to know) which are the "best ones". But with anything statistical, the bigger the sample you have, the more reliable it will be. So cut down the stakes, not the number of selections ... You can start this system off, joining in on any day you like, with £500, and your initial backers' stakes laid to with that bank would be £5, £3 and £2 - as explained on the first or second page somewhere (it's just 1%, 0.6% and 0.4% of your bank, but £2 is the Betfair minimum, so it would be very messy and complicated to try to start with under £500, I admit) ... 8) Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

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11-05-2006, 08:46 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 209 ...

Hill Forts Henry 2.10 Newton Abbot ... 10/1, 9.2, £85 Merlin's Dancer 2.20 Chester ... 11/2, 5.6, £127.50 :P Native Commander 2.40 Newton Abbot ... 7/2, 6.0, £127.50 Eljay's Boy 3.10 Newton Abbot ... 11/2, 7.4, £127.50 Lisfannon 3.35 Yarmouth ... 12/1, 9.2, £85 Prince Picasso 3.35 Yarmouth ... 15/2, 8.0, £85 :P Legally Fast 3.35 Newton Abbot ... 9/1, 11.0, £85 Zero 4.00 Chester ... 11/4, 4.6, £127.50 Tihui Two 4.20 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 7.4, £127.50 Mobane Flyer 6.45 Hamilton ... non-runner ... Karo De Vindecy 7.05 Wetherby ... 4/1, 6.2, £127.50 Eternal Legacy 7.20 Hamilton ... 10/1, 11.0 £85 Witch Power 7.40 Wetherby ... 8/1, 10.0, £85 Aleron 7.55 Hamilton ... 7/1, 8.0, £85 :P Easibet Dot Net 7.55 Hamilton ... 9/1, 11.0, £85 Quadrophenia 8.55 Hamilton ... 7/2, 4.0, £127.50

Comments: Eeeewwwwwwwww ... I wasn't expecting another day as bad as that ... Today's takings were exactly the same as yesterday's: £1211.25 (that's £1275 less 5% commission); but today's three losses came to a few pounds more than yesterday's four, at £1989, and that leaves a deficit of £777.75 on the day ... :P So the bank is now £18916.93 and tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ... :-[ Just as well that patience and discipline will get this money back for us ... 8)

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: (£777.75) Tomorrow's bank: £18916.93 Tomorrow's stakes: £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.95%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (9.28%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 530.56%

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Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 15 selections = 80% :P :P :P May strike-rate: 110 wins from 135 selections = 81.48% > Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1893 wins from 2230 selections = 84.89% :'( __________________ maria santonix My blog #973

11-05-2006, 09:40 PM Join Date: May 2006

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Hi Maria, Noticed that you layed Merlin's Dancer today. Obviously your system selected it but it was a bad lay, not just because the horse won, but because laying anything drawn 5 or under is a high risk strategy over 5 furlongs at Chester. Maybe a filter for similar future races? happy daze #974

11-05-2006, 11:38 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Oooh, many thanks, Happy ... In a way I was hoping that nobody would say anything ... :-\ But now that you very reasonably (and of course helpfully) have done, I will "come clean" and explain the entire circumstances ... :-[ It's actually been a very difficult and heavy-duty week for me, with travel and exams and stuff, and I've actually made three blunders over the last two days. I included one yesterday which I shouldn't have done (and got away with it, as one always might, of course). Today I mistakenly excluded an unplaced one which would have saved a little bit, and somehow managed to ignore the Chester draw when I was doing the selections. What I'm really saying is that virtually that filter already exists (but a bit more complicated than that) but like all of them, it requires the selector to take notice of it! ... :P With hindsight, I ought to have taken an extra day or two off after I got back ... apologies ... :-[ And by the way, welcome to EBA, if nobody has said that yet ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #975

12-05-2006, 11:37 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Tenth Day ... Friday 12th May ...

First half ... I'm laying these ... 8) Aimee Vibert 1.40 Lingfield ... Dark Islander 1.50 Chester ... Mina 2.00 Nottingham ... Wendals 2.30 Nottingham ...

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Cabourg 3.10 Lingfield ... On Air 3.35 Nottingham ... Reflecting 4.10 Nottingham ... Rose Briar 4.10 Nottingham ... Zaafran 4.45 Nottingham ... Press Express 5.15 Nottingham ... Custodian 5.15 Nottingham ... Spaceman 5.45 Nottingham ... ... there'll be a few more later from the evening meetings at Wincanton and Hamilton and Downpatrick and Wexford and Daugavpils and Liepaja (well ... ok ... maybe not Hamilton: must draw the line somewhere, I suppose), and I'll score up tonight in the usual way, all in one go for the whole day ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #976

12-05-2006, 11:53 AM Join Date: May 2006

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Good luck Maria! I did have my 'back' and 'lay' the other way round yesterday and hope to do better today! Kin #977

12-05-2006, 04:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Still Friday 12th ... and here are the rest of today's lays for the evening session ... including a couple of really dodgy "value shorties" ...

Blue Train 6.00 Wincanton ... New Destiny 6.15 Hamilton ... Luneray 7.00 Wincanton ... Liberate 7.15 Hamilton ... Winds of Change 7.15 Hamilton ... Sky Mack 7.30 Wincanton ... Zaharath al Bustan 7.45 Hamilton ... Glenfield Heights 8.30 Wincanton ... Myson 8.30 Wincanton ... Qualitair Wings 8.45 Hamilton ... Jordans Elect 8.45 Hamilton ...

Couldn't find any to lay at Daugavpils, after all: the horses there are just of such superior quality ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #978

12-05-2006, 10:18 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 210 ...

Aimee Vibert 1.40 Lingfield ... 9/1, 7.2, £127.50 Dark Islander 1.50 Chester ... non-runner ... Mina 2.00 Nottingham ... 7/1, 7.4, £127.50 Wendals 2.30 Nottingham ... 8/1, 11.0, £85 Cabourg 3.10 Lingfield ... 11/2, 7.4, £127.50

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On Air 3.35 Nottingham ... 12/1, 9.4, £85 Reflecting 4.10 Nottingham ... 13/2, 7.4, £127.50 Rose Briar 4.10 Nottingham ... 17/2, 11.0, £85 Zaafran 4.45 Nottingham ... 5/2, 3.2, £212.50 Press Express 5.15 Nottingham ... 11/2, 7.4, £127.50 Custodian 5.15 Nottingham ... non-runner ... Spaceman 5.45 Nottingham ... 7/1, 7.0, £127.50 Blue Train 6.00 Wincanton ... 12/1, 10.0, £85 New Destiny 6.15 Hamilton ... 6/1, 5.5, £127.50 Luneray 7.00 Wincanton ... 11/2, 5.9, £127.50 Liberate 7.15 Hamilton ... 15/8, 2.9 £212.50 Winds of Change 7.15 Hamilton ... 11/1, 11.0, £85 Sky Mack 7.30 Wincanton ... 7/2, 4.2, £127.50 Zaharath al Bustan 7.45 Hamilton ... 7/1, 8.2, £85 Glenfield Heights 8.30 Wincanton ... 14/1, 11.0, £85 Myson 8.30 Wincanton ... 11/2, 7.2, £127.50 Qualitair Wings 8.45 Hamilton ... 9/2, 5.7, £127.50 Jordans Elect 8.45 Hamilton ... 11/4, 3.45, £212.50

Comments: It's a long time since one of these has gone in at 11.0 ... :P So far so good, anyway; now I just need another 3 or 4 days the same, to get back on course ... Today's takings were £2301.37 (that's £2422.50 less 5% commission); today's two accidents came to £1258, and that leaves a profit of £1043.37 on the day ... So the bank has now partially recovered to £19960.30 and tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ... :-[

Patience and discipline ... :

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £1043.37 Tomorrow's bank: £19960.30 Tomorrow's stakes: £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.52% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.28%) : Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 565.34% Today's strike-rate: 19 wins from 21 selections = 90.48% May strike-rate: 129 wins from 156 selections = 82.69% :P Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1912 wins from 2251 selections = 84.94% :-\ __________________ maria santonix My blog #979

13-05-2006, 11:15 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Saturday 13th ...

Not laying today - sorry ... back tomorrow ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #980

14-05-2006, 11:44 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Eleventh Day ... Sunday 14th May ... Somehow I'm not finding it easy to be enthusiastic about today's racing, with no flat and no all-weather; still, I have found a few to lay ... Star Shot 2.00 Uttoxeter ... Coleraine 2.10 Plumpton ... Americanconnection 2.20 Worcester ... Forest Miller 2.30 Uttoxeter ... Hanko 3.20 Worcester ... The Rising Moon 3.50 Worcester ... Mistanoora 4.00 Uttoxeter ... Breezer 4.10 Plumpton ... Master T 4.40 Plumpton ... Casewick Mist 4.50 Worcester ... Ashwell Lad 5.10 Plumpton ... Etoilerouge 5.20 Worcester ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

14-05-2006, 04:49 PM Join Date: May 2006

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Thank :-*you #982

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Results update: day 211 ...

Star Shot 2.00 Uttoxeter ... 5/1, 5.6, £127.50 Coleraine 2.10 Plumpton ... 5/1, 7.2, £127.50 Americanconnection 2.20 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £127.50 Forest Miller 2.30 Uttoxeter ... 11/4, 5.6, £127.50 Hanko 3.20 Worcester ... 9/1, 10.5, £85 The Rising Moon 3.50 Worcester ... 12/1, 9.6, £85 Mistanoora 4.00 Uttoxeter ... 11/2, 6.8, £127.50 Breezer 4.10 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.4, £127.50 Master T 4.40 Plumpton ... 9/2, 5.8, £127.50 Casewick Mist 4.50 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.2, £127.50 Ashwell Lad 5.10 Plumpton ... 9/4, 3.35, £212.50 Etoilerouge 5.20 Worcester ... 4/1, 5.3, £127.50

Comments: Today's takings were £1332.37 (that's £1402.50 less 5% commission); the only loss cost £612, and that leaves a profit of £720.37 on the day ... So the bank has now recovered as far as £20680.67 and tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ... :-[

Still patience and still discipline ... :

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £720.37 Tomorrow's bank: £20680.67 Tomorrow's stakes: £212.50, £127.50 and £85.00 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.61% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.83%) : Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 589.36%

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Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67% May strike-rate: 140 wins from 168 selections = 83.33% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1923 wins from 2263 selections = 84.98%

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14-05-2006, 07:30 PM

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WELL DONE IVE A LOT TO LEARN TO GET TO YOUR STANDARD :-\

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15-05-2006, 11:50 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Twelfth Day ... Monday 15th May ... Here are my lays from the afternoon meetings at Wobblyhampton and Redcar, and even a couple from the Bandit Racing at Kempton ... and I'll be back later with some more from Towcester and Windsor for this evening ... Check Tou 2.10 Wolverhampton ... All Talk 2.40 Wolverhampton ... Circle of Truth 2.40 Wolverhampton ...

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Secret Tender 2.50 Redcar ... Didn't Tell My Wife 3.00 Kempton ... Blushing Hilary 3.20 Redcar ... King of Meze 3.30 Kinf of Meze ... Midnight Lace 3.40 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ... ;D Announcement: I'm going away again briefly, late-ish on Wednesday. There'll be lays on Wednesday (17th) and I'll update the results (but possibly not until Thursday) and then none on Thursday, Friday and Saturday: next laying day after Wednesday will be Sunday 21st ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #985

15-05-2006, 01:20 PM Join Date: May 2006

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Don't leave us for too long!!! But good luck and enjoy all the things that you intend to do! Kinho #986

15-05-2006, 02:41 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Oooh, thank you, Kinho ...

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Unfortunately I'm going to take exams, but they are my very, very last ones (ever!) and I'll also see my mother and grandparents, which makes it all a bit more acceptable ... :-\ Anyway, this evening's laying selections. I am going out soon and fed up with trying to watch the prices change on some of these. I am partially matched at 11.0 on Before The Mast and proposing to include this one in the results anyway. I am not yet matched on High Seasons and Marado, and if I stay that way I'll leave them out of the results (but for myself I'm willing to go above 11.0 later if necessary on these to try to take some money here today ...) Scented Present 6.00 Windsor ... Salvestro 6.30 Windsor ... Before The Mast 7.20 Towcester ... High Seasons 7.30 Windsor ... Fondness 8.00 Windsor ... Marado 8.20 Towcester ... Paradise Street 8.30 Windsor ... this last one is a fully-qualified and official selection of the system, but don't expect me to be too disturbed if it wins because it's also one of Pete's for this evening! ... :

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Apologies for not specifiying "Wolverhampton" where I said "King of Meze 3.30" in the post above. He duly lost at 8/1, I was matched at 8+, as anyone should be, and got my £85 ... and they're not even weighed in yet ... :-X __________________ maria santonix My blog #987

15-05-2006, 09:10 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 212 ...

Check Tou 2.10 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 6.8, £127.50 All Talk 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 8.2, £85 Circle of Truth 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 7.4, £127.50 Secret Tender 2.50 Redcar ... 7/1, 8.6, £85

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Didn't Tell My Wife 3.00 Kempton ... 8/1, 9.2, £85 Blushing Hilary 3.20 Redcar ... 11/2, 6.2, £127.50 King of Meze 3.30 Kinf of Meze ... 8/1, 8.6, £85 Midnight Lace 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.9, £127.50 Scented Present 6.00 Windsor ... 5/2, 4.7, £127.50 Salvestro 6.30 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.2, £127.50 Before The Mast 7.20 Towcester ... 11/1, 11.0, £85 High Seasons 7.30 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.4, £127.50 Fondness 8.00 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.4, £85 Marado 8.20 Towcester ... 14/1, unplaced but excluded from results ... Paradise Street 8.30 Windsor ... race abandoned ...

Comments: I've left Marado out of the results because I wasn't matched at all, and anyone who was must have gone well above the cut-off of 11.0 ... difficult to post early for an 8.20 race sometimes, sorry ... :-[ Today's takings, as you see, have something in common with yesterday's: they add up to £1332.37 (that's £1402.50 less 5% commission, just like it was yesterday); the difference is that there are no losses today ... So the bank has now reached £22013.04 and that's a new high, so tomorrow's stakes creep up to £220.13, £132.07 and £88.05 ... Finally the month is back in profit, here ... 8)

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £1332.37 Tomorrow's bank: £22013.02 Tomorrow's stakes: £220.13, £132.07 and £88.05 Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.44% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.56% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 633.77% Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 14 selections = 100% ;D May strike-rate: 154 wins from 182 selections = 84.62% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1937 wins from 2277 selections = 85.07%

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16-05-2006, 12:35 AM Join Date: May 2006

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Maria, Best of luck for the exam! Kinho #989

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Enjoy your visit home and the very best of luck with your exams. __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #990

16-05-2006, 12:07 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thanks very much ... 8) Today and tomorrow still to come in this thread, and then there'll be 3 days missing ... :-\

Meanwhile, The Two-Hundred-And-Thirteeth Day ... Tuesday 16th May ... I'm laying these for the moment (and some for this evening later) ... Elusive Warrior 2.10 Brighton ... Donna's Double 2.50 Newcastle ... Hadath 3.10 Brighton ... Mulberry Lad 3.10 Brighton ... Border Artist 3.10 Brighton ... Celtic Charisma 3.20 Newcastle ... Favouring 3.30 Southwell ... Adraaj 3.50 Newcastle ... Ask The Clerk 4.20 Newcastle ... Makarim 4.30 Southwell ... Miss Monica 4.40 Brighton ... Lady Georgette 4.50 Newcastle ... Sudden Impulse 5.00 Southwell ... Kentucky Bullet 5.00 Southwell ... Sanders Boy 5.30 Southwell ... Joking John 5.30 Southwell ...

... and more later if we have any money left to lay them ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

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thanks paul ;D #1002

05-21-2006, 10:48 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 214 ...

Blue Spinnaker 1.45 York ... 7/1, 8.0, £88.58 Senegal Tiger 2.05 Hereford ... 8/1, 7.2, £132.88 Absolutelythebest 2.25 Exeter ... 4/1, 7.4, £132.88 Jack Durrance 2.35 Hereford ... 12/1, 11.0, £88.58 The Wife's Sister 2.35 Hereford ... 11/1, 10.0, £88.58 General Grey 2.55 Exeter ... 4/1, 4.8, £132.88 Irishkawa Bellevu 3.05 Hereford ... 6/1, 7.4, £132.88 General Smith 3.40 Hereford ... 8/1, 11.0, £88.58 Potts of Magic 4.05 Exeter ... 6/1, 7.4, £132.88 Penzance 4.15 Hereford ... 4/7, 1.58, £212.47 Harissa 4.45 Hereford ... 15/2, 7.4, £132.88 Shropshire Girl 4.45 Hereford ... 9/1, 11.0, £88.58 Awatuki 4.55 York ... 10/3, 4.3, £132.88 Samuel Wilderspin 5.15 Hereford ... 9/2, 6.4, £132.88 Nuzzle 7.00 Perth ... 5/1, 7.0, £132.88

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Canadian Sunset 7.00 Perth ... 8/1, 7.2, £132.88 First Among Equals 7.10 Bath ... 12/1, 11.0, £88.58 Madformakeup 7.30 Perth ... 6/1!!, 3.35, £221.47 Aylmer Road 7.40 Bath ... non-runner ... Kathryn Janeway 7.40 Bath ... 8/1, 10.0, £88.58 King of the Arctic 8.30 Perth ... 6/1, 8.0, £88.58 Posh Stick 8.30 Perth ... 8/1, 10.5, £88.58 Master Papa 8.30 Perth ... 7/2!, 2.92, £221.47 Linda Green 8.40 Bath ... 9/2, 7.4, £132.88 Oulan Bator 9.00 Perth ... 9/1, 9.8, £88.58 Colway Ritz 9.00 Perth ... 10/1, 11.0, £88.58 Monsieur 9.00 Perth ... 11/1, 10.5, £88.58

Comments: It all seems a long time ago, now ... thankfully! ... I remember that it all seemed dreadfully unlucky at the time. Really, one of the most atrocious days for luck for a few months. Still, not much real damage done (with almost any sensible staking plan, I think) ... Wednesday's takings were £2440.51 (that's £2568.96 less 5% commission); but five!! nasty losses, two of them almost unbelievable, added up to a horrible £2759.33, so I must declare a loss of £318.82 on the day ... That takes the bank down to £21828.45 and leabes tomorrow's stakes unchanged, of course ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: (£318.82) Tomorrow's bank: £21828.45 Tomorrow's stakes: £221.47, £132.88 and £88.58 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.44%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.68% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 627.62%

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Wednesday's strike-rate: 21 wins from 26 selections = 80.77% May strike-rate: 196 wins from 232 selections = 84.48% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1979 wins from 2327 selections = 85.05%

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05-21-2006, 11:40 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Sunday 21st May ... With apologies, no laying today for me: really a bad combination of being too tired and too short of time and concentration, today. I don't think it's a terrible day to miss out, anyway: don't like the going at Ripon and I would have very few selections at Market Rasen anyway ... :P

Back tomorrow ... __________________ maria santonix #1004

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifteenth Day ... Monday 22nd May ... Is the weather and the going any more settled? Looks possible ... anyway, I'm laying these ... nothing at Redcar obviously ... :P

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Lucknam 2.00 Bath ... Cesar Manrique 3.00 Bath ... Murrieta 3,30 Bath ... Star of the Desert 4.00 ... Looker 4.30 Bath ... Will The Till 5.00 Bath ... Teutonic 6.30 Musselburgh ... Compton Eclaire 6.30 Musselburgh ... Island Odyssey 7.10 Windsor ... Arnie de Burgh 7.30 Musselburgh ... Further Outlook 8.00 Musselburgh ... Incursion 8.30 Musselburgh ... Lambency 9.00 Musselburgh ... Touch of Ivory 9.00 Musselburgh ... Linton Dancer 9.00 Musselburgh ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1005

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Results update: day 215 ...

Lucknam 2.00 Bath ... 5/1, 7.4, £132.88 Cesar Manrique 3.00 Bath ... 11/2, 5.4, £132.88 Murrieta 3,30 Bath ... 9/2, 6.8, £132.88 Star of the Desert 4.00 ... 7/1, 6.0, £132.88 Looker 4.30 Bath ... 9/2, 5.3, £132.88 Will The Till 5.00 Bath ... 6/1, 7.2, £132.88 Teutonic 6.30 Musselburgh ... 11/2, 7.4, £132.88 Compton Eclaire 6.30 Musselburgh ... 13/2, 9.0, £88.58

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Island Odyssey 7.10 Windsor ... 11/2, 7.4, £132.88 Arnie de Burgh 7.30 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 9.6, £88.58 Further Outlook 8.00 Musselburgh ... 5/2, 3.8, £132.88 :P Incursion 8.30 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 8.8, £88.58 Lambency 9.00 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 11.0, £88.58 Touch of Ivory 9.00 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 10.5, £88.58 Linton Dancer 9.00 Musselburgh ... 4/1, 4.8 £132.88

Comments: Sorry about Further Outlook ... still, if there had to be an accident, that was the best out of the 15, I think ... : Tody's takings were £1556.87 (that's £1638.82 less 5% commission); and the winner cost £620.12, leaving a net profit of £936.75 on the day ...

That takes the bank up to £22765.20 ...

And it puts tomorrow's stakes up to £227.65, £136.59 and £91.06 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £936.75 Tomorrow's bank: £22765.20 Tomorrow's stakes: £227.65, £136.59 and £91.06 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.29% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9/17% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 658.84% Wednesday's strike-rate: 14 wins from 15 selections = 93.33% May strike-rate: 210 wins from 247 selections = 85.02% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1993 wins from 2342 selections = 85.1% And we are back on course, apparently ... 8) __________________ maria santonix #1006

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have to say maria - this has to be the best system i have ever seen... so good one question - may sound silly ,,, have you been putting the bets on ??? cos if u r then u r a rich lady at the minute #1007

05-22-2006, 11:53 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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They are all real live bets, yes ... 8) Thank you very much for your comment, but you have seen the best bits only - really. April was astonishing. Last year I lost in April, and this year I made over 100% profit on the bank (113% in fact!); it astonished me just as much as anyone else - just as much as my father (and he does this for a living, or something very similar, anyway) ... In spite of my much advertised alleged understanding of maths and statistics, I had no idea that the increase in strike rate from last year's 83.5% to this year's 85% would (a) happen at all, or (b) make such an apparently enormous difference to the growth of the bank (although thinking with hindsight about this point now, it actually makes complete sense!) ... :-\ The previous year I had turned £1000 into something over £4000, and my plan this year was simply to turn this year's initial £3000 into £12000+, over a year, by steady growth and daily compounding. Last month was a big shock and has made an absolutely huge difference to everything, of course ... But suddenly it has apparently also raised all sorts of other questions and issues, too.

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For the first time ever I have actually started to think seriously about whether I will ever have real problems getting the lays on; about how important it is to be matched on anything which might lengthen before I post them; about whether I am doing the right thing posting them at all; about many unexpected things. I regret that there has also been some unpleasantness, I think instigated and arranged by people with commercial "laying tipping services" of the sort I despise. I have been accused of some very stupid things: last week somebody accused me of owning and running the "win2win" tipping service and only today the same person apparently accused me publicly of being connected with a tipping service called "Signposts to Success". The basis of his ridiculous allegation was that my name appears here next to a thread with that title. True as far as it goes, but of course my name appears next to it simply because (as a moderator) I moved the thread from this board to "Tipster Proofing" department where it belongs. Still, mud perhaps sticks, and there is perhaps a small handful of people who will believe these crazy allegations, and that's sometimes pretty upsetting for me! ... > So it has not all been good, by any means, though I admit that I can now afford all the shoe-shopping I want to do without needing to buy things in the special sales ... ;D But remember that I can have losing months too, and just to prove it, there has been one since I have been posting here, too (if you can be bothered to read the whole thread you will find it!) ... :P To be honest, I feel amazingly lucky after the tiny bit of fiddling about that I did that my system's strike rate has gone up by 1.5% rather than down by 1.5%. If it had gone down, I would instead be typing away here trying to explain how I had lost a complete bank of £3000! Well, not quite, maybe, because I have the protection mechanism of cutting back if ever I lose 35%; but you know what I mean? ... In short, the system is obviously basically solid and reliable, "robust" is the technical term; but let's not forget that I've been extremely lucky here as well ... ;D And as for tomorrow ... I just don't know about tomorrow. Beverley is already abandoned. Leicester is heavy at best and has an inspection at 8.00 tomorrow morning when I promise I will be asleep ... and Towcester something similar, I think. And of the all-weather meetings, Kempton is banded rubbish which I don't like although many people feel differently about it (I think that laying at banded meetings, although still profitable, is a bit more dangerous because the horses are so variable and unreliable that it can feel like a bit of a lottery). That leaves Lingfield, and although my system will doubtless produce its usual few selections from the meeting, that alone would leave me with a "low selections day" which always makes me feel a bit vulnerable ... so I don't know about tomorrow ... ??? __________________ maria santonix #1008

05-23-2006, 02:28 AM

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Well done my lady! Other people might just want 'nick' your name before of your success!

I am sure now that 'laying the horses' will become your part time job! #1009

05-23-2006, 08:17 AM Join Date: May 2004

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Hi Maria I havent posted on the boards for a long time, but online access during the working days is harder than ever. I was reading your thread last night though and it was an interesting read. I have certainly missed a lot while i was 'away'. I don't mind stating that I am a W2W member of 2 years or so and I dont really see what the allegations are founded on, your lays yesterday for instance bore little if any relation to the service's. I think its mischief making, no more, so best to ignore it altogether frankly. Ive not seen any mention of you or your posts on the members area of that forum I can assure you. Look at it this way, be thankful you are not posting these on the Betfair forum, boy would you be getting some abuse. They dont seem to like anyone there, especially people who win ??? Anyway, work calls, so good luck with the lays, wish you well. Jon not maggie #1010 05-23-2006, 11:36 AM

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its great how u actually take time out to explian... All the best of luck Chris

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Thank you, Chris and Kinho and Jon-not-maggie ... So ... the Two-Hundred-And-Sixteenth Day ... Tuesday 23rd May ... I'm laying these ... Katie Killane 2.00 Kempton ... A Teen 2.00 Kempton ... Sans Reward 2.10 Lingfield ... Going Straight 2.10 Lingfield ... Hadath 2.40 Lingfield ... What-A-Dancer 2.40 Lingfield ... Dagola 3.00 Kempton ... Dingaan 3.10 Lingfield ... Mighty Dancer 3.40 Lingfield ... Newsround 4.00 Kempton ... Start of Authority 4.30 Kempton ... Prince Vector 4.40 Lingfield ... Wanna Shout 5.00 Kempton ... Intriguing Glimpse 5.10 Lingfield ... Glen Thyne 6.40 Towcester ... Di's Dilemma 8.40 Towcester ...

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Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1012

05-23-2006, 01:38 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

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Keep posting, Maria. One of the highlights of my day is looking at the results of your lays. Just out of interest the guy who calls himself "Finnpark" who insists you are Win2Win has gone completely over the top, and has threatened to send his heavy mob to get one of your defenders on the other forum. What a prat! #1013

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people are always suspicious of winners...call it jealousy etc... youve had a fab month, i did try and follow you for a while, but gettin the money on was simply impossible so i gave up! all i can say is if you have a winning system, stick with it. signpost for success is an interesting one...the guy says he made £500 turn into £100k in 5 months. all very good, but i have 2 problems with that. 1. would you sell a system that was that good???! 2. looking at his website, he doesnt actually appear to have been around since november, so without being able to proof his results, we could all make up a system that turns 500 into 100000...

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Congratulations on making a valuable contribution to the EBA board. #1014

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Di's Dilemma 8.40 Towcester ...

looks to have a big chance m ??? #1015 05-23-2006, 04:47 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by Paul-B One of the highlights of my day is looking at the results of your lays. Oooh sometimes it's the same for me; now the amounts of money are so big I sometimes need a cigarette or two to steady my hand before I look at them. If I still have unmatched positions I always look at them as they go along, but if ever I'm fully matched, or say fully matched until an obvious shorty at the end or something, I often go out for a while and then see quite a few results all at once a bit later ... Quote:

Originally Posted by gingertips

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1. would you sell a system that was that good???! This is always one of my reservations with these things ... :-\ To be fair, my general impression (all from second-hand and third-hand information, of course) of the author of this system is that he's by no means the worst offender when it comes to "this sort of thing" and I've certainly heard some fairly good things about some of his other products. The problem is that you can't tell whether they are totally backfitted. That's to say, the system was devised after the results it's designed to produce. If that's so, then of course it can be 100% reliable historically and all the results quoted can be 100% genuine, without it meaning for a moment that that's likely to continue to be true in future! ... : So unless you've actually forward-tested it yourself on future results, or seen the report of that forward-testing by someone genuinely impartial and independent (i.e. not someone selling it like a so-called "tipster-monitoring site" which actually has an incentive to make it look good because they get a commission for selling it!), you just don't know for sure ... :-X Having said all that in a general way, in fairness to Mr. Gibson I must also mention that I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to accuse him of any impropriety at all, and I know precisely nothing about his system ... I also believe in systems myself, and am aware of several which have had decent profitable results historically that have stood up to independent forward-testing and continued to be profitable. So I exclude nothing. But yes, I do still wonder whether I would ever sell one, myself, if it were really as good as this one appears to be ... __________________ maria santonix #1016

05-23-2006, 05:24 PM Join Date: May 2006

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A lovely layzee afternoon, Maria ;D #1017

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For some people, perhaps, Happy. Not, alas, for "Going Straight". The energetic bugger beast had the nerve to win the 2.10 race, costing me over £700!!! ... > :-\ :'( __________________ maria santonix #1018

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Results update: day 216 ...

Katie Killane 2.00 Kempton ... 7/1, 6.2, £136.59 A Teen 2.00 Kempton ... 8/1, 7.0, £136.59 Sans Reward 2.10 Lingfield ... 4/1, 6.2, £136.59 Going Straight 2.10 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.2, £136.59 Hadath 2.40 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0, £91.06 What-A-Dancer 2.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 9.2, £91.06 Dagola 3.00 Kempton ... 11/2, 6.6, £136.59 Dingaan 3.10 Lingfield ... 6/1, 4.8, £136.59 Mighty Dancer 3.40 Lingfield ... 8/1, 11.0, £91.06 Newsround 4.00 Kempton ... 17/2, 9.6, £91.06 Start of Authority 4.30 Kempton ... 6/1, 7.4, £136.59

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Prince Vector 4.40 Lingfield ... 2/1, 3.45, £227.65 Wanna Shout 5.00 Kempton ... 9/1, 8.8, £91.06 Intriguing Glimpse 5.10 Lingfield ... 9/2, 4.6, £136.59 Glen Thyne 6.40 Towcester ... 11/2, 7.4, £136.59 Di's Dilemma 8.40 Towcester ... 2/1, 3.35, £227.65

Comments: Mighty Dancer (3.40 Lingfield) was the 2000th winning lay since starting the thread ... Tody's takings were £1903.15 (that's £2003.32 less 5% commission); and the winner cost £710.27, leaving a net profit of £1192.88 on the day ...

That takes the bank up to £23958.08 ...

And it puts tomorrow's stakes up to £239.58, £143.74 and £95.83 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £1192.88 Tomorrow's bank: £23958.08 Tomorrow's stakes: £239.58, £143.74 and £95.83 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.24% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.89% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 698.6% Wednesday's strike-rate: 15 wins from 16 selections = 93.75% ;D May strike-rate: 225 wins from 263 selections = 85.55% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2008 wins from 2358 selections = 85.16%

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I must start laying horses instead of backing them. This thread is so consistantly great. Well done. __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #1022

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Oooh, thank you ... If it's the Two-Hundred-And-Seventeenth Day, it must be Wednesday 24th May ... I don't like Goodwood ... mostly I don't like it for backing, but I'm not all that keen on it for laying either, to be honest ... still, if they will race there, you have to lay some of them there even if you prefer the other meetings in places beginning with "K", I suppose ... I'm laying these for the afternoon, and then I'll be back later to add on the evening ones from those other later meetings where they have to jump over stuff like at Kelso ... Fantasy Explorer 2.20 Kempton ... Hush Tiger 2.30 Kelso ... Cross The Line 3.15 Goodwood ... Prince Tum Tum 3.25 Kempton ... Favourita 3.45 Goodwood ... Lii Najma 4.35 Kempton ... Eagle Eye 4.35 Kempton ... Paperphrophet 4.45 Kelso ... Marshman 4.55 Goodwood ... Scenic Storm 5.20 Kelso ... Peopleton Brook 5.30 Goodwood ...

More later! Meanwhile good luck for all of us with these! ... __________________ maria santonix #1023

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Wednesday evening laying selections ... just five more today: not quite as many as I'd expected ... :-[

Kentford Lady 6.15 Sedgefield ... Maraud 6.15 Sedgefield ... Sandy Gold 6.45 Sedgefield ... Dunguaire Lady 7.15 Sedgefield ... River Bailiff 8.05 Folkestone ...

Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1024

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Well, Paperprophet was my 5-point STS nap for today. Looked at your lays and decided to oleave it alone, so you've just saved me £70 ;D Thanks, Maria. #1025

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Ooooh, well ... that's something, but well judged: you still have to decide what to do when you have "conflicting information"! ... :-\

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I knew Fantasy Explorer had won, the stinker, but I got back from the dentist to find that Lii Najma had also gone in ... >

Now it could even be a losing day ... __________________ maria santonix #1026

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Results update: day 217 ...

Fantasy Explorer 2.20 Kempton ... 4/1, 5.4, £143.74 Hush Tiger 2.30 Kelso ... 15/2, 10.0, £95.83 Cross The Line 3.15 Goodwood ... 15/2, 6.8, £143.74 Prince Tum Tum 3.25 Kempton ... 13/2, 7.0, £143.74 Favourita 3.45 Goodwood ... 15/2, 8.4, £95.83 Lii Najma 4.35 Kempton ... 7/1, 8.6, £95.83 Eagle Eye 4.35 Kempton ... 6/1, 7.4, £143.74 Paperphrophet 4.45 Kelso ... 4/1, 4.9, £143.74 Marshman 4.55 Goodwood ... 13/2, 7.4, £143.74 Scenic Storm 5.20 Kelso ... 6/1, 7.4, £143.74 Peopleton Brook 5.30 Goodwood ... 6/1, 7.2, £143.74 Kentford Lady 6.15 Sedgefield ... 12/1, 10.0, £95.83 Maraud 6.15 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 9.0, £95.83 Sandy Gold 6.45 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 6.4, £143.74

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Dunguaire Lady 7.15 Sedgefield ... 9/2, 6.0, £143.74 River Bailiff 8.05 Folkestone ... 9/1, 11.0, £95.83

Comments: Eeewwwww, that's very bad! ...

I didn't even lay River Bailiff to a good price ... Tody's takings were £1593.13 (that's £1676.98 less 5% commission); but the three nasty winners cost £2319.07, leaving a net loss of £642.09 on the day ... That means that the bank has slipped back temporarily to £23315.99 ... :'(

And it means that tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: (£642.09) :P Tomorrow's bank: £23315.99 Tomorrow's stakes: £239.58, £143.74 and £95.83 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.68% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.81% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 677.2%

Wednesday's strike-rate: 13 wins from 16 selections = 81.25% > May strike-rate: 238 wins from 279 selections = 85.3% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2021 wins from 2374 selections = 85.13%

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Maria, kepp the good work coming and I am fully behind you! #1028

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Thank you, Kinho ... just upset because of the sour ending to yesterday's selections: even though the last one started at 9/1 I know it wasn't easy to be matched, and I've already spoken to one person who went to 11.5 well before the race to get matched on it, so it's possible people lost a little bit more than I did on it, which is bad ... :P :'( __________________ maria santonix #1029

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would a safer cutoff be 10.5 or even 10 as so many 9-1 shots seem to be chased out by layers to 11, 12 or even 13 possibly as they lack liquidity in some of these later races. Its a pain when you get hit at 12s and see it was only 9-1 SP. Just a thought cheers jon #1030

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I do know what you mean, Jon-not-maggie ... :-\ The thing is that a lot more of my selections drift than shorten in the market. This is, really, how I get away with listing the selections here in the first place, to be honest, without it having much effect on the prices I lay to myself ... I take loads of early laying prices if I think they'll drift, which I try to judge, with varying degrees of success by "trading-style chart-reading" on the exchange. The times that this causes me a problem are (like yesterday's accident) when it's too early to tell, for a late evening runner, because even Betfair doesn't have enough liquidity on those earlier in the day. So I just leave positions unmatched at 11.0 (just like I leave a lot of earlier ones unmatched at 7.4) ... :-[ I'm gradually been learning from nearly 2 years of doing this, now, that overall I make more profit and a better POI on my higher selections, and less on my lower ones. I happen to know a few full-time professional layers (mostly because my father's one of them!) and they all tell me the same thing: the way to make secure and steady income is by laying in the sort of 5.0 or 6.0 up to 15.0 bracket; nothing much shorter - with the exception of some "value shorties" which I'm stuck with for the moment anyway, because my system produces them and I'm usually pretty strict about including system selections and not just leaving them out because I "don't like the look of them" because my judgement isn't good enough to start doing that, and I'm putting it mildly! So for me, making the cut-off any shorter is an absolute no: I want to make it longer, really, not shorter. I imagine that the reality of available prices is such that if you make it 10.5 or less, you'll actually be missing out a much higher proportion of the selections than you might expect just from looking at the SP's, and really you'll end up following "selected selections" rather than "selections". It might be a good and viable and profitable system, and it might work well for you, and I'm not trying to talk you out of it at all; but it's not my system, and it's not what works for me ... Having said all that, of course there's nothing to stop anyone from using the "information" in this thread however they want, and I post my selections knowing that people will do that. I know that some people do better than I do from following these selections (or at least, I know that's what they tell me, though I admit it surprises me a little bit!), and I know that some people will do worse, of course ... : For the sake of the results, if a horse has started at 9/1 or more (and yesterday's bad one was 9/1 of course), if I know that people won't have managed to get matched within 11.0, then if the horse loses I miss those takings out of the "official results" but if it won (like yesterday's bad one) I err on the side of including it in the results even if I know that anyone "sticking firmly to the rules" won't have been matched on it. The

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reason I try to do it that way is simply that it's my attempt to reduce the number of people who follow the selections but do much worse than I do with them. For laying, no "scoring-system" is ever going to be 100% accurate, naturally, but this is just the way I do it so that at least I feel that if I'm misleading anyone, it's "in the right direction" (i.e. including losses and excluding some profits from the declared results, rather than the other way round) ... ???

So really my answer is "sup chew" ... __________________ maria santonix

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The Two-Hundred-And-Twentieth Day ... Saturday 27th May ... I'm laying these for now, and will be back for more later on with some to lay at Stratford and Cartmel this evening (if we've got any money left to lay them, naturally) ...

Salamanca 1.50 Ascot ... Maria Luisa 1.50 Ascot ... Indian Steppes 1.50 Ascot ... Burlington Fayr 2.15 Catterick ... Munaddam 2.20 Ascot ... Gamble in Gold 2.40 Haydock ... Orpenlina 2.45 Catterick ... Fortress 2.45 Catterick ... Elusive Dream 2.50 Ascot ... Aeroplane 2.55 Newmarket ... King Orchisios 3.30 Newmarket ... Bin Rahy 3.45 Haydock ... Bronze Dancer 3.50 Catterick ... Rosita Mia 4.25 Catterick ... My Valerina 4.50 Haydock ... Kings College Boy 5.25 Haydock ... Good luck! ... ;D

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Saturday's evening laying selections ...

Mirant 6.15 Stratford ... Flaming Cheek 6.15 Stratford ... Reverse Swing 6.55 Cartmel ... Farington Lodge 6.55 Cartmel ... Unmistakably 7.20 Stratford ... Rare Ouzel 7.30 Cartmel ... Saffron Sun 7.50 Stratford ... The Last Cast 7.50 Stratford ... Upswing 8.00 Cartmel ... Changing Gear 8.50 Stratford ... Mingling 8.50 Stratford ...

Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1063

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Results update: day 220 ...

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Salamanca 1.50 Ascot ... 9/2, 6.0, £157.11 Maria Luisa 1.50 Ascot ... 6/1, 7.4, £157.11 Indian Steppes 1.50 Ascot ... 6/1, 7.4, £157.11 Burlington Fayr 2.15 Catterick ... 11/2, 7.2, £157.11 Munaddam 2.20 Ascot ... 9/1, 11.0, £104.74 Gamble in Gold 2.40 Haydock ... 9/1, 10.0, £104.74 Orpenlina 2.45 Catterick ... 12/1, 9.0, £104.74 Fortress 2.45 Catterick ... 11/2, 7.4, £157.11 Elusive Dream 2.50 Ascot ... 9/1, 10.5, £104.74 Aeroplane 2.55 Newmarket ... 7/2, 4.8, £157.11 King Orchisios 3.30 Newmarket ... 8/1, 6.8, £157.11 Bin Rahy 3.45 Haydock ... 11/1, 9.0, £104.74 Bronze Dancer 3.50 Catterick ... 5/1, 7.2, £157.11 Rosita Mia 4.25 Catterick ... 9/2, 6.4, £157.11 My Valerina 4.50 Haydock ... 5/1, 7.4, £157.11 Kings College Boy 5.25 Haydock ... 9/2, 7.4, £157.11 Mirant 6.15 Stratford ... 12/1, 8.0, £104.74 Flaming Cheek 6.15 Stratford ... 11/2, 7.4, £157.11 Reverse Swing 6.55 Cartmel ... 11/2, 7.0, £157.11 Farington Lodge 6.55 Cartmel ... 11/2, 5.7, £157.11 Unmistakably 7.20 Stratford ... 8/1, 6.0, £157.11 Rare Ouzel 7.30 Cartmel ... 2/1, 2.52, £261.86 Saffron Sun 7.50 Stratford ... 5/1, 7.2, £157.11 The Last Cast 7.50 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £157.11 Upswing 8.00 Cartmel ... 13/2, 7.4, £157.11 Changing Gear 8.50 Stratford ... 8/1, 4.9, £157.11 Mingling 8.50 Stratford ... 13/2, 7.0, £157.11

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Comments: Today's takings are £3681.62 (that's £3875.39 less 5% commission); but the loss cost £1005.50 (not a lot of fun to lose a four-figure amount on one race!!!!), and that brings the day's net profits down to £2676.12 ... The bank is now £28862.25, and that means new stakes tomorrow, of £288.62, £173.17 and £115.44 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £20852.99 Profit/(loss) today: £2676.12 Tomorrow's bank: £28862.24 Tomorrow's stakes: £288.62, £173.17 and £115.44

Bank increase/(loss) today: 10.22% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 38.41% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 862.07%

Wednesday's strike-rate: 26 wins from 27 selections = 96.3% May strike-rate: 308 wins from 353 selections = 87.25% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2090 wins from 2448 selections = 85.38%

I am exhausted ... __________________ maria santonix #1064

05-27-2006, 09:03 PM

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24 in a row HOLY HOLY LOL WELL DONE AGAIN :-* #1065

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and that brings the day's net profits down to £2676.12 ...

Surely you are not upset at a profit of over £2500 in one day Maria. I suppose shopping in Harrods does need a lot of money - silly me. :-* Well done once again. __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #1066

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Excellent results Maria. What criteria do you use to select the lays? #1067

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Ooooh, I could tell you, Atc ... but then I would have to kill you ...

;D __________________ maria santonix #1068

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Amazing Maria I wouldn't do it myself but well done, hope it keeps up for you. __________________ If you know your past!! You can take a glimpse into your future

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Not much you say about that really Maria, phenomenal stuff. Very, very well done ;D __________________ You want redemption, ever-lasting peace. Everything must cease. #1070

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The Two-Hundred-And-Thirty-Oneth Day ... Thursday 8th June ... a good day for a bit of laying ... ??? Profitably or expensively, I'm laying these ... Cassie's Choice 2.00 Hamilton ... Fountain Crumble 2.10 Newton Abbot ... He's A Rocket 2.30 Hamilton ... Muara 2.30 Hamilton ... Waterspray 3.10 Newton Abbot ... Trojan Flight 3.20 Haydock ... Distant Times 3.20 Haydock ... Danehill Stroller 3.20 Haydock ... Nevada Desert 3.30 Hamilton ... Defi 3.30 Hamilton ... The Wife's Sister 3.40 Newton Abbot ... Westport 3.50 Haydock ... Winthorpe 4.30 Hamilton ... Yorkshire Blue 4.30 Hamilton ... Quantica 4.30 Hamilton ... Shekan Star 5.00 Hamilton ... Millennium Hall 5.00 Hamilton ... And there will be some more, of Uttoxeter and Huntingdon, along later on, just for those few who still have any money left to lay them! ...

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This evening's lays by Huntingdon and Uttoxeter ...

Art Modern 6.15 Uttoxeter ... (or "Art Modem" for those still on dial-up) Supershot 6.35 Huntingdon ... Dishdasha 6.35 Huntingdon ... Valuable 6.45 Uttoxeter ... Pipers Legend 6.45 Uttoxeter ... Appach 7.05 Huntingdon ... Tuesday's Child 7.05 Huntingdon ... Dalriath 7.35 Huntingdon ... Elvis Returns 8.15 Uttoxeter ... Around Before 8.15 Uttoxeter ... Overdrawn 8.45 Uttoxeter ... Topwell 8.45 Uttoxeter ... Golden Streak 9.15 Uttoxeter ... Good luck! ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1163

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Results update: day 231...

Cassie's Choice 2.00 Hamilton ... 11/1, 10.5, £132.78 Fountain Crumble 2.10 Newton Abbot ... 13/8, 2.7, £331.95 He's A Rocket 2.30 Hamilton ... 9/1, 10.5, £132.78 Muara 2.30 Hamilton ... 8/1, 7.4, £199.17 Waterspray 3.10 Newton Abbot ... 8/1, 10.5, £132.78

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Trojan Flight 3.20 Haydock ... 13/2, 7.2, £199.17 Distant Times 3.20 Haydock ... 8/1, 10.5, £132.78 Danehill Stroller 3.20 Haydock ... 13/2, 8.4, £132.78 Nevada Desert 3.30 Hamilton ... 5/1, 6.0, £132.78 Defi 3.30 Hamilton ... 13/2, 7.4, £199.17 The Wife's Sister 3.40 Newton Abbot ... 12/1, 11.0, £132.78 Westport 3.50 Haydock ... 2/1, 3.15, £331.95 Winthorpe 4.30 Hamilton ... 7/1, 10.5, £132.78 Yorkshire Blue 4.30 Hamilton ... 9/2, 7.4, £199.17 Quantica 4.30 Hamilton ... 8/1, 10.5, £132.78 Shekan Star 5.00 Hamilton ... 5/1 op 4/1, 5.3, £199.17 Millennium Hall 5.00 Hamilton ... 9/1, 10.0, £132.78 Art Modern 6.15 Uttoxeter ... 5/2, 3.0, £331.95 Supershot 6.35 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 8.8, £132.78 Dishdasha 6.35 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 11.0, £132.78 Valuable 6.45 Uttoxeter ... 10/1, 10.5, £132.78 Pipers Legend 6.45 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 11.0, £132.78 Appach 7.05 Huntingdon ... 7/2, 5.0, £199.17 Tuesday's Child 7.05 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 9.4, £132.78 Dalriath 7.35 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 7.4, £199.17 Elvis Returns 8.15 Uttoxeter ... non-runner, Elvis is is fact past his sell-by date ... Around Before 8.15 Uttoxeter ... 10/3, 5.3, £199.17 Overdrawn 8.45 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 10.5, £132.78 Topwell 8.45 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 11.0, £132.78 Golden Streak 9.15 Uttoxeter ... 5/2, 3.4, £331.95

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Today's takings were £4414.93 (that's £4647.30 less 5% commission) and the losses came to £2648.96, leaving a profit of £1765.97 on the day ... That brings the bank up to £34961.47 and it makes tomorrow's new stakes £349.61, £209.76 and £139.84 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £1765.97 Tomorrow's bank: £34961.47 Tomorrow's stakes: £349.61, £209.76 and £139.84 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.32% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.04% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1065.38% ;D Today's strike-rate: 26 wins from 29 selections = 89.66% June strike-rate: 148 wins from 174 selections = 85.06% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2314 wins from 2707 selections = 85.48%

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Maria I know you miss me and use anything to get me back lol but this is underhand ! ;D "Elvis Returns 8.15 Uttoxeter ... non-runner, Elvis is is fact past his sell-by date ... "

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Your ears must have been burning, Joemugg, because I mentioned your name in the Secret Flat System thread today, not actually this one; but there's no way of telling where a Joemugg will appear ... just like all those reincarnations of The King ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1166

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The Two-Hundred-And-Thirty-Second Day ... Friday 9th June ... I'm laying these ... Perez 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Paso Doble 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Atlantic Viking 3.20 Catterick ... Gower Song 3.40 Brighton ... Girardii 3.40 Brighton ... Rosein 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Stoic Leader 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Nahaar 4.40 Brighton ... Picture Show 4.40 Brighton ... Eagle Eye 4.50 Catterick ... Our Sheila 4.50 Catterick ... Sanctity 5.00 Wolverhampton ... First Rhapsody 5.20 Catterick ...

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And there will be some more along later on, respresenting Haydock and Goodwood ...

Good luck today! ...

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... and ... if anyone has any money left to lay them, here are the evening selections for Goodwood and Haydock ...

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Tuning Fork 6.25 Goodwood ... Oddsmaker 6.35 Haydock ... Rocker 6.55 Goodwood ... Primondo 7.05 Haydock ... Southport Star 7.25 Goodwood ... Cumin 7.40 Haydock ... Mystic Storm 7.55 Goodwood ... City for Conquest 8.10 Haydock ... Toy Top 8.10 Haydock ... Desert Dreamer 8.25 Goodwood ... Royal Oath 8.40 Haydock ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1168

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Results update: day 232...

Perez 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.65, £209.76 :P Paso Doble 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 10.0, £139.84 8) Atlantic Viking 3.20 Catterick ... 9/1, 8.4, £139.84 8) Gower Song 3.40 Brighton ... 8/1, 8.0, £978.88 :P Girardii 3.40 Brighton ... 11/2, 5.4, £209.76 8) Rosein 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 9.6, £139.84 8) Stoic Leader 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 7.4, £209.76 8) Nahaar 4.40 Brighton ... 11/2, 7.4, £209.76 8) Picture Show 4.40 Brighton ... 10/1, 8.8, £139.84 8) Eagle Eye 4.50 Catterick ... 15/2, 10.0, £139.84 8) Our Sheila 4.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 5.2, £209.76 :P Sanctity 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £139.84 8) First Rhapsody 5.20 Catterick ... 9/1, 9.8, £139.84 8) Tuning Fork 6.25 Goodwood ... 13/2, 9.2, £139.84 8) Oddsmaker 6.35 Haydock ... 15/2, 7.0, £209.76 8) Rocker 6.55 Goodwood ... 10/1, 7.2, £209.76 8) Primondo 7.05 Haydock ... 7/1, 7.4, £209.76 8) Southport Star 7.25 Goodwood ... 7/2, 4.1, £209.76 8) Cumin 7.40 Haydock ... 11/2, 7.2, £209.76 8) Mystic Storm 7.55 Goodwood ... 6/4, 2.7, £349.61 8) City for Conquest 8.10 Haydock ... 15/2, 10.0, £139.84 8) Toy Top 8.10 Haydock ... 10/1, 10.5, £139.84 8) Desert Dreamer 8.25 Goodwood ... 5/1, 7.0, £209.76 8) Royal Oath 8.40 Haydock ... 9/4, 3.0, £349.61 :P

Comments: A very disappointing last race. Today's takings were £3454.05 (that's £3635.85 less 5% commission) and the losses came to £3114.95, leaving a profit of only £339.10 on the day ... That brings the bank up to £35300.57 and it makes tomorrow's new stakes £353.00, £211.80 and £141.20 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £339.10 Tomorrow's bank: £35300.57 Tomorrow's stakes: £353.00, £211.80 and £141.20

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.97% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.08% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1076.69% Today's strike-rate: 20 wins from 24 selections = 83.33% June strike-rate: 168 wins from 198 selections = 84.84% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2334 wins from 2731 selections = 85.46%

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Profit on the day yet again. 8) __________________ You want redemption, ever-lasting peace. Everything must cease. #1170

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Originally Posted by parker Profit on the day yet again. 8)

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Thanks ... yes, just about ... although it was looking like a really good day at one point ... :-\ Strange how perceptions change: at one time £330+ was more than I could dream of "taking home" over one day, and now sometimes it manages to be a "disappointing day"! ... ??? The true story, for others more than for me, is that it was a "1% day", so someone starting yesterday with £1000 ought to have been about £10 up on the day after 5% commission ... maybe a fraction more ... :

So ... the Two-Hundred-And-Thirty-Third Day ... Saturday 10th ... I'm laying these ... Storm on the Run 2.25 Lingfield ... Canadian Danehill 3.00 Lingfield ... Edged in Gold 3.00 Lingfield ... Smirfy's Silver 4.05 Goodwood ... Postage Stampe 4.10 Lingfield ... Me and Mine 4.20 Musselburgh ... Nobelix 4.45 Lingfield ... Balyan 4.55 Musselburgh ... Double Obsession 4.55 Musselburgh ... Spetacular Show 5.00 Haydock ... Greenwich Village 5.15 Goodwood ... Astrocharm 5.25 Musselburgh ... Nero's Return 5.50 Goodwood ... Serieux 6.00 Musselburgh ... Royal Dignitary 6.00 Musselburgh ...

("Haydock? ... What 'Haydock'?" ... :P )

I'll be back later with a few for Wobblyhampton and Newbury and places like that ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

14-06-2006, 09:42 AM Join Date: Jun 2006

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Hi Maria thanks for those great selections. I have tried to read all those 80 pages of messages but a few might have escaped me ;-) Thats why I wanted to ask: What happens at end of August. I understand you will stop posting then. Is that correct? #1202

14-06-2006, 09:52 AM Join Date: Jul 2003

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I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway ... The above is from the first post. ;D No jeering anyone! __________________ Saint #1203

14-06-2006, 10:11 AM Join Date: Jun 2006

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Thanks Saint, but afterwards Maria has said end of August is the end. What then? #1204

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Well, it's a Lady's prerogative to change her mind as often as she likes, so I'll leave it at that. ;D ;D ;D __________________ Saint #1205

14-06-2006, 11:58 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by Normanski Is there any chance you could post your selections for both the day meetings and the evening meetings at one go?

Hi and welcome to EBA, Normanski ... I can't, really, I'm afraid. Not so much because of time constraints, but financial constraints. The liquidity on the exchanges for evening meetings is not so great earlier in the day, and I need to have my own positions matched on the potential drifters before I publish the selections: sorry ... :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan the Man Thats why I wanted to ask: What happens at end of August. I understand you will stop posting then. Is that correct?

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Hi and likewise welcome, Dan ... Not necessarily. Just recently lots and lots of people are asking me this same question by private messages too, so thanks for reminding me to try to answer it better on the board. It's a busy time of day for me now (you can appreciate!) so for the moment I'll get on with today's selections but I'll come back later today and try to answer this one more clearly than I probably have done in the past ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint it's a Lady's prerogative to change her mind Oooooh, he really is a Saint! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1206

14-06-2006, 12:03 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Thirty-Seventh day ... Wednesday ... I'm laying these ... Spinning Game 2.10 Beverley ... Samson Des Galas 2.20 Market Rasen ... Island of Memories 2.20 Market Rasen ... Alambic 2.40 Beverley ... Westmere 2.50 Market Rasen ... Mount Usher 3.10 Beverley ... Alrafid 3.30 Hereford ... Art Elegant 3.40 Beverley ... Blue Empire 3.40 Beverley ... Malay 3.50 Market Rasen ... Marenaghan 5.20 Market Rasen ...

And some more coming up later for Hamilton and Kempton ...

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14-06-2006, 12:07 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Oooooh, he really is a Saint! ... But of course! ;D Maria, Perhaps you should restart with a £3K bank again in Sep, or perhaps, if you are concerned that given your success more and more people will follow your lays and push the prices further out, perhaps you should view that in itself as an opportunity, since, if you only put up your selections after you have been matched and the prices do get pushed out noticeably you could use that as an opportunity to lay off a part of bets, thereby reducing risk. Anyway, whatever you decide, thanks for sharing this with us. __________________ Saint #1208

14-06-2006, 02:35 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by The Saint if you only put up your selections after you have been matched and the prices do get pushed out noticeably you could use that as an opportunity to lay off a part of bets, thereby reducing risk. My father said this jokingly when it started very occasionally being tricky to get matched within 11.0 on some of the later-in-the-day selections (he is still a trader at heart!) but it doesn't really stand up to examination: it would be fiddly and timeconsuming and I honestly think I make more laying than I would by trading. It would reduce risk a bit, I can see, but with my strike-rate over at over 85% for nearly 3000 selections now, I am much less concerned than I was about that ... so this isn't really an issue for me at all ... :-X Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan the Man Maria has said end of August is the end. What then? Yes; this is what so many people sending me private messages (some of them apparently registering at EBA for the first time just in order to do so!) have been asking, and obviously I have unintentionally caused confusion with my comments about this, so I'll try to answer more clearly now ... I started on 3rd September last year and said I'd see what the reaction was. Then, when it was very friendly and supportive and I started doing well, I said I'd compile the thread for a year, all being well. All is basically well, except that I need to post the summer's evening racing selections later in the day than the afternoon ones, but subject to that constraint, I see no reason why I shouldn't continue as planned to post them until 31st August (which I'll call a full year, so that I can stop at the end of a calendar month). After that ... Well, I am undecided. There are a few pretty definite things I can say, though, which I'll set out now even though they weren't really what you asked, Dan, just because I'm taking the opportunity to write something so that I can say later to people "You will find in this post all I can say on this subject" ... 1. I am not going anywhere (apart from between Riga and London, I mean, but that's nothing new anyway) 2. I will still be doing the lays myself every day anyway and therefore need to work out the selections 3. I will not be selling either the system or the selections, not now and not in future 4. I also have - and will continue to have - a few more lays than I put up here, which I won't be including at least until after August 31st, priced mostly between about 12.0 and about 16.0. Although there aren't so many of them, these are actually more profitable and safer overall than the ones which you see listed here every day (this should surprise nobody with any successful laying experience, I think)

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5. I'm thinking about the possibility of cutting out the shorties (which are not quite so profitable overall, you know) with a simple rule along the lines of "no lays under 5.0" or something - undecided about this and more statistical analysis to do on it 6. I have no problem at all with people having access to the selections after I've been matched on the ones I want to be matched on early-ish. But as you can see, posting the selections here, although in theory it should take no more time than putting them into an email or something, actually becomes time-consuming and it's not something I would want to do indefinitely. But even if I completely stop posting laying selections here - which I may decide to do, depending on how my dutching system goes and how time-consuming it is (this is actually what everything boils down to, to be honest) - I have one friend to whom I email them every day and if I ask him to, he can forward them to other people, possibly arranging a little "emailing group" or something. This would ensure that anyone who wants to continue to get the selections, whether for betting purposes or just to check against their own proposed backing, or whatever, will continue to have access to them even if I don't post them here. I have mentioned this possibility to a couple of people by private message, and now's perhaps the time to mention it here, but please appreciate that ... (a) this is only one possibility, not a decision; (b) I would definitely not be doing the emailing myself; (c) it would definitely not be anything like a "commercial service" (obviously!); (d) if this goes ahead, it will be via the friend mentioned above, and any offers of help, however kindly intentioned, are honestly not necessary - with thanks, apologies and embarrassment! ... :-[ As the saying goes: "further news follows" ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1209

14-06-2006, 04:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Wednesday Evening Laying Selections ... Botham 7.15 Hamilton ... And I 8.05 Kempton ...

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Neardown Beauty 8.35 Kempton ... Unique Moment 8.45 Hamilton ... Puya 9.05 Kempton ... Easibet Dot Net 9.15 Hamilton ... Magnum Opus 9.15 Hamilton ... Dizzy in the Head 9.45 Hamilton ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1210

14-06-2006, 09:09 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results update: day 237 ...

Spinning Game 2.10 Beverley ... 7/1, 7.4, £229.79 Samson Des Galas 2.20 Market Rasen ... 9/1, 9.6, £153.19 Island of Memories 2.20 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 11.0, £153.19 Alambic 2.40 Beverley ... 5/2, 3.45, £382.98 Westmere 2.50 Market Rasen ... 9/2, 4.5, £229.79 Mount Usher 3.10 Beverley ... 6/1, 7.4, £229.79 Alrafid 3.30 Hereford ... 5/1, 6.6, £229.79 Art Elegant 3.40 Beverley ... 6/1, 8.6, £153.19 Blue Empire 3.40 Beverley ... 17/2, 8.6, £153.19 Malay 3.50 Market Rasen ... 9/1!!, 5.7, £229.79 Marenaghan 5.20 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.4, £153.19 Botham 7.15 Hamilton ... non-runner ...

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And I 8.05 Kempton ... 13/2, 6.0, £229.79 Neardown Beauty 8.35 Kempton ... 11/2, 7.4, £229.79 Unique Moment 8.45 Hamilton ... 11/4, 3.7, £229.79 Puya 9.05 Kempton ... 8/1, 9.8, £153.19 Easibet Dot Net 9.15 Hamilton ... 13/2, 10.0, £153.19 Magnum Opus 9.15 Hamilton ... 8/1, 7.3, £229.79 Dizzy in the Head 9.45 Hamilton ... 4/1, 5.2, £229.79

Comments: It takes only one unique moment to spoil a good day ... still, today's takings were £3347.24 (that's £3523.42 less 5% commission); and the loss of £620.44 leaves a net profit of £2726.80 on the day ... That takes the bank up to £41025.16 and it puts tomorrow's stakes up to £410.25, £246.15 and £164.10 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £2726.80 Tomorrow's bank: £41025.16 Tomorrow's stakes: £410.25, £246.15 and £164.10 Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.12% ;D Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 26.77% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1267.5%

Today's strike-rate: 17 wins from 18 selections = 94.44% June strike-rate: 259 wins from 300 selections = 86.33% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2425 wins from 2833 selections = 85.6% Was a very lucky day today: please don't expect too many other days to go exactly the same way, really! ... :

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If it's the two-hundred-and-thirty-eighth day, then it must be Thursday 15th June ... I'm laying these ... Sweet Spot 1.40 Newbury ... Charlie Farnsbarns 2.10 Newbury ... Thousand Words 2.10 Newbury ... Wild Academy 2.55 Yarmouth ... Ispahan 3.20 Newbury ... Alfie Tupper 3.20 Newbury ... Ravish 4.05 Yarmouth ... Whistleupthewind 4.05 Yarmouth ... Antigoni 4.30 Newbury ... Bobby Rose 4.50 Lingfield ... Risk Runner 5.05 Newbury ... Dance A Daydream 5.15 Yarmouth ... Twentytwosilver 5.25 Lingfield ... Libre 5.40 Newbury ... And I'll be back later with some more to lay at Uttoxeter and Brighton (and did someone say "Clonmel"?) ...

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15-06-2006, 04:14 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thursday Evening Lays ... Zafarshah 6.35 Brighton ... Croft 6.35 Brighton ... Principal Witness 6.45 Uttoxeter ... Stamford Blue 7.05 Brighton ... Kirkstall Lane 7.35 Brighton ... Incorporation 7.45 Uttoxeter ... Ton-Chee 7.45 Uttoxeter ... Iberian Light 8.05 Uttoxeter ... Constant Cheers 8.05 Brighton ... Rob The Five 8.15 Uttoxeter ... Tomthevic 9.05 Brighton ... Ballybunion 9.05 Brighton ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1213

15-06-2006, 06:43 PM Join Date: Jun 2006

Wally

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Hi Maria, Firstly I would like to thank for taking the time to post your selections each day. I am new to Sports betting (Or investing as I like to think of it) and was scouring the net to see if it is possible to make a long term profit from investing in Sports Betting, predominantly Horse Racing. Your thread certainly gives credence to this! What I would like to ask is about placing the lay bets. I have no experience of this whatsoever. In a previous post you encouraged people to place their lay bets "early" in order to get the best price. Does this mean I should place the bets at the best available price immediately after receiving the selections on this thread. Is it ever correct not to lay a selection if the price is less than 11, as im sure if prices drift it reduces the associated "value" in each bet, and therefore it may no longer have any "value". If the answer to the previous question is yes what factors would I consider?

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Basically what advice would you give to someone who has never placed lay bets in the past in order for them to make a success of your system. Thanks again,

P.S I joined this forum just because of you! #1214

15-06-2006, 08:21 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

The Saint

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Wally, Have a look around the betfair site (use Mabbs link so he gets the referral commission if you are opening an a/c) for more info about laying. You don't have to take the lay price on offer, you can set your price lower in case the price comes in, which I seem to find happens quite a bit for a lot of horses. Have to say Maria I was mightily impressed to just log on and find a small profit for today, given when I looked at teatime I'd taken a couple of hits from afternoon winners and thought I would end the day down. If nothing else, your staking system is turning my betfair experience with laying horses completely around. Thanks for that as well of course as the selections. 8) __________________ Saint #1215

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Hi Wally, and welcome to EBA ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally In a previous post you encouraged people to place their lay bets "early" in order to get the best price. Well, yes ... I said that I would advise people to err on that side if they are basically "guessing", because with these selections, more drift than shorten, so if people guess that way round, they'll get it right more than 50% of the time and be able to live their lives a bit more too, rather than being glued to the screen ... Even more important than that, it's better to try to be in a position where you're guessing less often, of course, by gradually learning to read the charts and make increasingly "more informed guesses". There are some people who subscribe to the belief that they can't do that, and that it will always be 50/50. And for them, maybe it will. I know it sounds terribly corny and even a bit American to say so, but in my opinion, if you believe you can, or if you believe you can't, either way you are definitely right ... Scattered about this thread (sorry!) are some comments on how to learn to do that, and a couple of book recommendations too ... 8) Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally Does this mean I should place the bets at the best available price immediately after receiving the selections on this thread. Not quite. It means you should probably try to get matched early on most of them, though. Not on favourites, because they're more likely to shorten than to drift. And not by "taking anyone else's price" because you should try to get them to take your price, exactly as The Saint explains above. Let's say that a selection is (for example) 8.0 to back and 8.6 to lay when you first see it. You should probably enter an unmatched lay at either 8.0 or 8.2. By the time you've looked at the other selections, that one will usually be matched ... and if not, it can be worth waiting 5 minutes just because in the long run 8.0 is a lot better than 8.6 ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally Is it ever correct not to lay a selection if the price is less than 11

That's a big question ... I'm sure the answer is "yes", but remember two things as well ... :-\ (a) With "system selections" the basic idea is to make everything as simple as possible and try to avoid using judgment ... just to "have your edge" and try to exert it as often as possible in the knowledge that in the long run you must make a profit

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from it, and although I'll use "judgment" to decide where to pitch my unmatched position and how long to wait, I try not to use it in deciding whether or not to lay; (b) As the price to which you must lay lengthens therefore apparently making the value worse, overall, the probability of that one winning is reduced anyway, because of course there's always some resemblance between the market itself and "true value". I feel happier laying drifters than steamers. And no amount of published interviews with Betfair directors saying that overall their punters do better backing drifters than steamers is going to change the way I feel about that, because I just don't believe that overall that comment applies to this system's selections; So, for both these reasons, I would suggest that you don't worry about that, and lay everything you can lay within the cut-off of 11.0. I sometimes go to 12.0 myself, I admit. And I have other lays, not published here, between 11.0 to 16.0 and on a pro rata basis I actually do better out of those than I do out of the ones you see here ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally Basically what advice would you give to someone who has never placed lay bets in the past in order for them to make a success of your system. Difficult question, actually! I think maybe four things:(i) read The Saint's answer above; (ii) read a book or two on laying on Betfair (Nigel Paul's "Lay, Back and Think of Winning" and "Winning on Betfair for Dummies" are both very cheap and both a very good start); (iii) I think there's a sort of "online tutorial" you can read through at Betfair which will doubtless help, too; (iv) If you can be bothered, it honestly might help to read the whole thread - not all the lists of selections, of course, but all the bits of "questions and answers" which are thrown in along the way, unfortunately scattered all over the place ... :-[ I hope some of this helps ... and good luck! ... ;D

Results Update: day 238 ...

Sweet Spot 1.40 Newbury ... 8/1, 10.0, £164.10 Charlie Farnsbarns 2.10 Newbury ... 9/1, 9.0, £164.10 Thousand Words 2.10 Newbury ... 6/1, 8.0, £164.10 Wild Academy 2.55 Yarmouth ... 9/1 op 6/1, 7.4, £246.15 Ispahan 3.20 Newbury ... 10/1, 8.4, £164.10 Alfie Tupper 3.20 Newbury ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £164.10

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Ravish 4.05 Yarmouth ... 13/2, 5.9, £246.15 Whistleupthewind 4.05 Yarmouth ... 15/2, 8.2, £164.10 Antigoni 4.30 Newbury ... 14/1 op 10.1, 11.0, £164.10 Bobby Rose 4.50 Lingfield ... 9/4, 4.7, £246.15 Risk Runner 5.05 Newbury ... 7/1, 11.0 £164.10 Dance A Daydream 5.15 Yarmouth ... 14/1!, 8.0, £154.10 Twentytwosilver 5.25 Lingfield ... 7/2, 6.0, £246.15 Libre 5.40 Newbury ... 11/2, 6.6, £246.15 Zafarshah 6.35 Brighton ... 15/2, 10, £164.10 Croft 6.35 Brighton ... 5/1, 5.0, £246.15 Principal Witness 6.45 Uttoxeter ... 5/1, 7.4+, £246.15 Stamford Blue 7.05 Brighton ... 6/1, 7.4, £246.15 Kirkstall Lane 7.35 Brighton ... 14/1, unmatched,

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Incorporation 7.45 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 11.0 £164.10 Ton-Chee 7.45 Uttoxeter ... 11/2, 5.6, £246.15 Iberian Light 8.05 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 6.2, £246.15 Constant Cheers 8.05 Brighton ... 7/1, 7.4, £246.15 Rob The Five 8.15 Uttoxeter ... 4/1, 6.2, £246.15 Tomthevic 9.05 Brighton ... 11/1, 10.5, £164.10 Ballybunion 9.05 Brighton ... 7/1, 10.0, £164.10

Comments: It didn't feel so good to me at tea-time either ... but it ended up ok! ... I didn't get matched on Kirkstall Lane (which I discovered today is in somewhere called South Leeds, just in case anyone thinks I still don't know any UK geogrraphy at all!) and I don't think anyone did without going to about 13.5 or 14.0, so I'm leaving it out of the results (it duly lost) ... :-\ Today's takings were £4520.95 (that's £4758.90 less 5% commission); and the two big losses adding up to £2330.22 leave a net profit of £2190.73 on the day, not as good as yesterday but to me that's a fortune ...

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That takes the bank up to £43215.89 and it puts tomorrow's stakes up to £432.15, £259.29 and £172.86 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £2190.73 Tomorrow's bank: £43215.89 Tomorrow's stakes: £432.15, £259.29 and £172.86 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.34% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.54% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1340.53%

Today's strike-rate: 23 wins from 25 selections = 92% June strike-rate: 282 wins from 325 selections = 86.77% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2448 wins from 2858 selections = 85.65%

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16-06-2006, 06:43 AM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Great stuff M __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #1217

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Hi Viva ... thank you ...

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The Two-Hundred-And-Thirty-Ninth Day ... Friday ... I'm laying these ... Gazboolou 2.10 Nottingham ... High Style 2.20 Sandown ... Benllech 2.20 Sandown ... Fossgate 3.15 Nottingham ... Al Raahi 3.25 Sandown ... Persian Express 3.50 Nottingham ... Zabeel House 4.00 Sandown ... Another Genepi 4.00 Sandown ... Spinning Game 4.10 York ... Jihaaz 4.55 Nottingham ... Richtee 5.20 York ... Rationale 5.30 Nottingham ... I'll be back later with some for this evening, Goodwood, Chepstow and Navan ...

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Friday Evening Laze ... ???

Regal Dream 7.15 Goodwood ... River of Babylon 7.15 Goodwood ... Rajaall 7.50 Goodwood ... Will The Till 8.05 Chepstow ... Looker 8.25 Goodwood ... Bellanora 8.40 Chepstow ... Tadlil 8.40 Chepstow ... Pharviva 8.55 Navan ... Eversden 9.00 Goodwood ... Hypocrisy 9.00 Goodwood ... Arctic Desert 9.15 Chepstow ... Inka Dancer 9.15 Chepstow ... Blue Trojan 9.15 Chepstow ... Good luck! ... ;D Results could be updated later than usual, tonight ... apologies in advance ... :-X :

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Results Update: day 239 ...

Gazboolou 2.10 Nottingham ... 3/1, 4.9, £259.29 High Style 2.20 Sandown ... 13/2, 8.2, £172.86 Benllech 2.20 Sandown ... 7/1, 8.4, £172.86 Fossgate 3.15 Nottingham ... 8/1, 9.8, £172.86

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Al Raahi 3.25 Sandown ... 11/1 ... not matched ...

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Persian Express 3.50 Nottingham ... 10/1, 11.0, £172.86 Zabeel House 4.00 Sandown ... 11/2, 6.8, £259.29 Another Genepi 4.00 Sandown ... 15/2, 10.0, £172.86 Spinning Game 4.10 York ... 13/2, 7.4, £259.29 Jihaaz 4.55 Nottingham ... 8/1, 10.0, £172.86 Richtee 5.20 York ... 9/1, 11.0, £172.86 Rationale 5.30 Nottingham ... 11/2, 5.2, £259.29 Regal Dream 7.15 Goodwood ... 8/1, 8.2, £172.86 River of Babylon 7.15 Goodwood ... 7/1, 9.0, £172.86 Rajaall 7.50 Goodwood ... 10/1, 10.5, £172.86 Will The Till 8.05 Chepstow ... 10/3, 4.1, £259.29 Looker 8.25 Goodwood ... 5/1, 7.4, £259.29 Bellanora 8.40 Chepstow ... 7/1, 11.0, £172.86 Tadlil 8.40 Chepstow ... 8/1, 11.0, £172.86 Pharviva 8.55 Navan ... 11/2, 7.4, £259.29 Eversden 9.00 Goodwood ... 12/1, 11.0, £172.86 Hypocrisy 9.00 Goodwood ... 13/2, 11.0, £172.86 Arctic Desert 9.15 Chepstow ... 4/1, 6.0, £259.29 Inka Dancer 9.15 Chepstow ... 7/1, 9.6, £172.86 Blue Trojan 9.15 Chepstow ... 6/1, 8.6, £172.86

Comments: I had to be offline for most of the day today and just did the best I could by leaving loads unmatched at 7.4 and 11.0, including taking a hit at 11.0 ... it was an expensive day for me, though it all came down to the last race (not particularly unusual, though, that ...) and someone told me that Rich Tea Biscuits (5.20 York) should never have won at all, but I didn't see the race ... I think the words "You can't win them all" cover today, just about ... ??? : I didn't get matched on Al Raahi so I'll leave that one out of the books (it lost, obviously) ... :P

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I didn't expect to get matched at 7.4 on Pharviva, but I did anyway, and then the SP turned out to be only 11/2 (surprisingly?) ... so that one stays in ... 8) Today's takings were £4105.42 (that's £4321.50 less 5% commission); and the three big losses add up to £4563.51 so that makes a loss today of £458.09; sorry ... :P :-[ :-\ > That takes the bank back down to £42757.80 and it leaves tomorrow's stakes unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: (£458.09) Tomorrow's bank: £42757.80 Tomorrow's stakes: £432.15, £259.29 and £172.86 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.06%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 32.13% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1325.26% Today's strike-rate: 22 wins from 25 selections = 88% June strike-rate: 304 wins from 350 selections = 86.86% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2470 wins from 2883 selections = 85.67%

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17-06-2006, 12:12 AM Join Date: Jun 2006

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Re: Maria's laying system

G’ Day, sports. And you too, Maria. The results for the 239th day’s “outing” higlights one point which most of Maria’s fans refuse to see, and that is, like George Soros’s play on Lamont’s rump, no matter how hard you imitate after “reading the manual”, it cannot be an exact duplicate. In fact, not even a mildly distant replicatos. And agitatingly repeating, “I know, I know” will not do. There is little hope that idiots like

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“ooer missus” will see the point for he “knows it all”, damn dumb foreigners included. The point is, the odds can drift wildly, especially for the middling pack [and much less for the favourites] such that only Maria can justifiably claim the results with the rest having to contend with what they can get, which is what happened to Maria [as well] today. It can mean that on “marginal” days, a win for Maria can be a loss for mere mortals. SP +20% is a wise buffer for the common lot and should be used as the gauge for profitability for ranked outsiders. This drift in the odds also has one real kicker and that is, when the odds drift from a 0.6% stake to a 0.4% stake, you’ll win less and possibly lose more compared to Maria’s 0.6% position. Not a trifling amount when all is totted up at the end of the “financial year”. And that could mean kicking the cat or kissing the missus during Xmas. This is not a dig at Maria for hers is not to explain why [for generosity needs no justification] but for those with starry eyes, blink a few more times and re-check the strength of those seminally reproductive vitals before leaping off the cliff with gay abandon, armed only with the faith of stars in their eyes.

17-06-2006, 01:20 AM Join Date: May 2006

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Mememy, What on earth are you blathering on about, man? Maria posts her system selections and it is true that no-one can exactly replicate her results - funny how none of realised that before your intervention ;D. If you want to follow the system it requires something which you clearly seem to lack - judgement. Maria has gone to an awful lot of time and no little trouble to post these selections virtually everyday since last September. She has responded to every query that has been put to her to help others get the most from the system. Her advice has proved invaluable to me, for one, and I am damned sure I am not alone. She updates daily with a full breakdown of her own successes, and failures, and gives regular reminders that this is not some get rich quick scheme, but rather a tool, which if used properly, with skill and judgement, will provide steady rewards. She could not have been more open, more clear, more thorough. Yet what she seems to get on a regular basis is someone like you with a PhD in the bleedin' obvious who is anxious to demonstrate either that she is a charlatan who is out to profit from others gullibility, or that her system is not infallible the fact of which she is regularly at pains to point out.

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Please, crawl back under your rock and spare the rest of us your opinions which are clearly driven by envy. #1222

17-06-2006, 08:40 AM

GREG

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1,NOBODY HAS TO FOLLOW THIS SYSTEM 2,NOBODY HAS TO LAY ALL SELECTIONS 3,NOBODY HAS TO FOLLOW THIS STAKING PLAN 4,NOBODY IS FORCED WITH A GUN TO THERE HEAD TO READ THIS THREAD 5,NOBODY IS FORCING MARIA TO POST ON HERE 6,WHY NOT JUST READ THROUGH,AND TAKE HEED. 7,THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING 8,I DONT THINK ANYONE HAS LOST MONEY BECAUSE OF THIS 9,EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THERE OPINION 10,SO IVE GIVEN MINE ;D ;D THE LIST GOES ON GREG 8) #1223

17-06-2006, 11:40 AM Join Date: Aug 2003

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I have only in fairly recent times starting reading this thread and now I'm an avid reader. I sigh when Maria has put up one of my selections as a lay which says a lot on how I respect her choices. I'm also impressed how much time Maria gives to the board with comprehensive well thought answers to the queries. I'm sure Maria will be the first to agree that the selections are only half the story and to be successful you have to lay at the right prices (same as backing in fact). Therefore there is constructive comment about "Mememy"'s post that is worth considering although I think "Maria's fans refuse to see" comment has a touch of patronising aggression that was likely to get under a few noses.

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I'm sure Maria will answer the thread better than most but whatever lets not too thin skined and protective to inhibit reasoned comment. #1224

17-06-2006, 12:09 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fortieth Day ... Saturday 17th June ... A typically tricky, trappy summer Saturday with lots of high prices, coups by trainers and high-risk laying ... Crow Wood 2.05 York ... Bob's Buster 2.25 Hexham ... Krugerrand 2.35 York ... Ocean Pride 2.55 Sandown ... Silver Dip 2.55 Sandown ... Mirasol Princess 3.20 Bath ... Bolshoi Ballet 3.30 Hexham ... Only Words 3.30 Hexham ... Great Hawk 3.40 York ... Majounes Song 4.15 York ... Ignition 4.25 Bath ... Emphasis 4.25 Bath ... Bauhaus 4.35 Sandown ... Ti Adora 4.35 Sandown ... Random Native 4.40 Hexham ... Royal Challenge 4.50 York ... Miss Nosey 5.15 Hexham ... Grandma's Girl 5.15 Hexham ... O'Tara 5.25 York ... Cut'n'run 5.50 Hexham ... And if you're very, very good and don't throw too many stones at each other, there might even be one or two more for the evening, from all those funny meetings beginning with L where you can lay only later in the day after a couple of balsams ... Leicester, Lingfield and Limerick ...

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17-06-2006, 02:41 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Laying at Leicester, Lingfield and Limerick ... Imco Tendence 6.55 Limerick ... Frenchfurze Lad 6.55 Limerick ... Master Malarkey 7.05 Lingfield ... Isobel Rose 7.15 Leicester ... Stoneacre Lad 7.45 Leicester ... Snowed Under 8.15 Leicester ... Balearic Star 8.45 Leicester ... Spanish Law 8.45 Leicester ... Kahuna 8.55 Limerick ... Nikki Bea 9.05 Lingfield ... Panic Stations 9.05 Lingfield ... Cinematic 9.15 Leicester ... Lots of Latvian luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1226

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Results Update: day 240 ...

Crow Wood 2.05 York ... 15/2, 7.4, £259.29 Bob's Buster 2.25 Hexham ... 9/2, 5.6, £259.29 Krugerrand 2.35 York ... 6/1, 7.4, £259.29 Ocean Pride 2.55 Sandown ... 8/1, 9.4, £172.86 Silver Dip 2.55 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.2, £259.29 Mirasol Princess 3.20 Bath ... 5/1, 7.0, £259.29 Bolshoi Ballet 3.30 Hexham ... 12/1, 10.5, £172.86 Only Words 3.30 Hexham ... 10/1, 10.0, £172.86 Great Hawk 3.40 York ... 5/2, 3.8, £259.29 Majounes Song 4.15 York ... 17/2, 8.4, £172.86 Ignition 4.25 Bath ... 10/3, 7.0, £259.29 Emphasis 4.25 Bath ... 7/1, 7.4, £259.29 Bauhaus 4.35 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £259.29 Ti Adora 4.35 Sandown ... 15/8, 2.7, £432.15 Random Native 4.40 Hexham ... non-runner ... Royal Challenge 4.50 York ... 8/1, 11.0, £172.86 Miss Nosey 5.15 Hexham ... 10/1, 9.8, £172.86 Grandma's Girl 5.15 Hexham ... 9/1, 11.0, £172.86 O'Tara 5.25 York ... 4/1, 5.5, £259.29 Cut'n'run 5.50 Hexham ... 4/1, 5.0, £259.29 Imco Tendence 6.55 Limerick ... 8/1, 11.0, £172.86 Frenchfurze Lad 6.55 Limerick ... 9/1, 11.0, £172.86 Master Malarkey 7.05 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.0, £172.86 Isobel Rose 7.15 Leicester ... 4/1, 6.0, £259.29 Stoneacre Lad 7.45 Leicester ... 14/1, 10.5, £172.86 Snowed Under 8.15 Leicester ... 7/2, 5.5, £259.29

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Balearic Star 8.45 Leicester ... 13/2, 7.4, £259.29 Spanish Law 8.45 Leicester ... 8/1, 11.0, £172.86 Kahuna 8.55 Limerick ... 13/2, 9.2, £172.86 Nikki Bea 9.05 Lingfield ... 7/2, 4.7, £259.29 Panic Stations 9.05 Lingfield ... 11/2, 7.4, £259,29 Cinematic 9.15 Leicester ... 17/2, 10.0, £172.86

Comments: If you didn't manage to get matched on the nasty 14/1 winner Stoneacre Lad, then well done!! ... probably you had a very profitable day. Unfortunately for me (and I suspect many others too!) I had no problem at all laying to an early price (of 10.5 in my case, which is virtually as bad it gets), so I made 2.53% today ... still, no complaints, of course ... Dealing with big amounts of money here now ... today's takings were £5583.37 (that's £5877.24 less 5% commission - I know it seems increasingly peculiar to be taking 5% commission off amounts like this, but doing so does enable who have started recently to compare the percentages directly, so I'm going to continue it); the four losses add up to nearly as much as yesterday's losses - £4503.01, but that still leaves a net profit today of £1080.36 ... That takes the bank up to a new high of £43838.16 and it puts tomorrow's stakes up to £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £1080.36 Tomorrow's bank: £43838.16 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.53% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 35.47% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1361.27% Today's strike-rate: 27 wins from 31 selections = 87.1% June strike-rate: 331 wins from 381 selections = 86.88% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2497 wins from 2914 selections = 85.69%

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17-06-2006, 11:58 PM Join Date: May 2006

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Hi Maria, Due , in part, to not getting matched on Stoneacre Boy I made over 9% today Even had I been matched on that dog I'd still have bettered your result ;D You can't have it all your own way, girl ;D Well done again, today. Happy Daze :-* #1228

18-06-2006, 11:55 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Ooooh, well done Happy ... 9% in a day is excellent, and thank you very much for your kind comments the previous day! ...

The Two-Hundred-And-Forty-Oneth Day ... Sunday 18th June ... I'm laying these today ... Solo Flight 2.00 Salisbury ... Sea Map 2.10 Stratford ... Grain of Truth 2.20 York ... Sajaaya 2.30 Salisbury ... Intriguing Glimpse 3.00 Salisbury ... Our Fugitive 3.00 Salisbury ... River City 3.10 Stratford ... Imperial Echo 3.20 York ... Goblet of Fire 3.40 Stratford ...

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Connect 4.20 York ... Don Pele 4.20 York ... Rio de Janeiro 4.40 Stratford ... Tech Eagle 4.40 Stratford ... Dark Parade 4.50 York ... Compton Eclaire 4.50 York ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1229

18-06-2006, 04:44 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 241 ...

Solo Flight 2.00 Salisbury ... 6/1, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Sea Map 2.10 Stratford ... 4/1, 6.4, £263.02 ;D Grain of Truth 2.20 York ... 8/1, 8.0, £175.35 ;D Sajaaya 2.30 Salisbury ... 7/1, 9.0, £175.35 ;D Intriguing Glimpse 3.00 Salisbury ... 6/1, 8.0, £175.35 Our Fugitive 3.00 Salisbury ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 ;D River City 3.10 Stratford ... 15/8, 2.84, £438.38 ;D Imperial Echo 3.20 York ... 15/2, 8.2, £175.35 Goblet of Fire 3.40 Stratford ... 8/1, 6.2, £263.02 ;D Connect 4.20 York ... 11/1, 10.0, £175.35 ;D Don Pele 4.20 York ... 9/1, 9.4, £175.35 Rio de Janeiro 4.40 Stratford ... 7/2, 5.2, £263.02 ;D Tech Eagle 4.40 Stratford ... non-runner ... Dark Parade 4.50 York ... 6/1, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Compton Eclaire 4.50 York ... 12/1, 11.0, £175.35 Comments: As I've just said to two people by private message, I promise that your habit of not getting matched on the longest ones will cost you money in the long run, but today it's admittedly been a major money-saving coup. I was matched on those stinkers

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with no problem at all, and hence lost about £2300 (over 5%!) today ... :P :-[ :-\ >

The worst day for ages ... sorry ... :-[ :-[ :-[ Today's takings were £3414.89 (that's £3594.63 less 5% commission); but the four nasty losses add up to a breathtaking £5716.41, so that leaves a net loss today of £2301.52 (5.25%) ... That takes the bank all the way back down to £41536.64 and it leaves tomorrow's stakes unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: (£2301.52) Tomorrow's bank: £41536.64 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.25%)% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 28.36% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1284.55%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 14 selections = 71.43% June strike-rate: 341 wins from 395 selections = 86.33% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2507 wins from 2928 selections = 85.62%

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19-06-2006, 12:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Forty-Twoth Day ... Monday 19th June ... Time to start winning back some of yesterday's losses. I certainly don't want to

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underplay the significance of the losing days and weeks of which there many, but in the long run, experience suggests that they will all come back, you know ... Today I'm laying these ... La Esperanza 2.15 Carlisle ... Champain Sands 3.15 Carlisle ... Abstract Folly 3.15 Carlisle ... Decree Nisi 3.45 Carlisle ... Silver Bow 4.00 Hereford ... Takanewa 4.15 Carlisle ... Desert Spa 4.30 Hereford ... Obe One 4.45 Carlisle ... Chairman Bobby 4.45 Carlisle ... Sungates 5.00 Hereford ... Optical Seclusion 5.15 Carlisle ... Slipperfoot 5.15 Carlisle ... And I'll be back later with some more to be laid at those courses beginning with "W" where they run in the evenings ... (Wigan, Whitley, and so on) ...

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Good luck today! ... ;D

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21-06-2006, 03:59 PM

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OOOH MY WORD WHATS HAPPENIN

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21-06-2006, 04:20 PM

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Like the girl says: patience and discipline, Greg #1243

21-06-2006, 09:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 244 ...

Classic Croco 2.25 Worcester ... 3/1, 5.5, £263.02 Secret World 2.35 Ascot ... 11/4, 3.7, £263.02 Peephole 2.50 Hamilton ... 5/1, 7.0, £263.02 Markestino 2.50 Hamilton ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 Lauro 3.25 Hamilton ... 4/1, 5.0, £263.02 Pedler's Profiles 3.35 Worcester ... 7/1, 9.0, £175.35 Rudi's Pet 4.00 Hamilton ... 10/1, unmatched,

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Viewforth 4.00 Hamilton ... 7/1, 10.5, £175.35 Saafend Rocket 4.10 Worcester ... 12/1, 10.0, £175.35 Beowulf 4.35 Hamilton ... 11/2, 7.4, £263.02 Kelnik Glory 4.45 Worcester ... 9/1, 7.2, £263.02 Oscar The Boxer 5.20 Worcester ... 9/1, 9.8, £175.35

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Rafelite 5.40 Hamilton ... 11/4, 6.0, £263.02 Jubilee Dream 5.50 Worcester ... 10/1, 7.2, £263.02 Cool Touch 6.30 Leopardstown ... 8/1, 10.5, £175.35 Sounds Simla 6.40 Ripon ... 11/1, 11.0, £175.35 Rosita Mia 6.40 Ripon ... 5/1, 6.2, £263.02 Charley's Spirit 7.10 Ripon ... 9/1, 11.0, £175.35 Celtic Spirit 7.56 Kempton ... 10/1, 10.0, £175.35 Active Asset 8.10 Ripon ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 Blushing Thief 8.52 Kempton ... 9/2, 7.0, £263.02 Woodnock 8.52 Kempton ... 7/1, 7.4, £263.02 Dark Missile 8.52 Kempton ... 11/2, 6.4, £263.02 Caherme 9.00 Leopardstown ... 12/1, unmatched,

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Home Sweet Home 9.10 Ripon ... 7/2, 5.0, £263.02 Cabriole 9.10 Ripon ... 9/1, 10.0, £175.35 Titian Dancer 9.20 Kempton ... 4/1, 4.4, £263.02

Comments: Eeewwwww ... not the day I wanted at all ...

Apologies to anyone starting today ... :-[ : I was unmatched on two today (which both duly lost, of course), which I've left out of the results ...

We were victims of a major gamble on the first one, Classic Croco, I'm afraid ... Kelnik Glory was a very unpleasant surprise. I know a couple of people laid to even lower than I did, but I thought I was quite pleased with myself for laying at 7.2; of course if I'd gone with my first thoughts and been matched somewhere between 8.0 and 9.0 I'd have saved quite a bit; but it's always easier with hindsight ... On a different note, this is of course one of the reasons it's sometimes a bit frustrating for me when people criticise the thread just because they were matched at a higher price than I was: sometimes, of course, like today, I manage to get matched at a

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lower price than I expected and I just ending up paying extra for the privilege because of the higher backer's stake to which I laid! ... Anyway, enough of this frivolity, and time to assess the damage: today's takings were £4580.95 (that's £4822.06 less 5% commission which we deduct whether we pay it or not); but four nasty losses added up to £5269.19, which left a net loss today of £688.24 (1.71%) ... so the bank is now £39577.13 and of course tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Sorry to go on about it, but it really is about patience and ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: (£688.24) Tomorrow's bank: £39577.13 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.71%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 22.3% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1242.18% Today's strike-rate: 21 wins from 25 selections = 84% June strike-rate: 402 wins from 468 selections = 85.9% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2568 wins from 3001 selections = 85.57%

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21-06-2006, 09:54 PM Join Date: Nov 2004

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Maria, Did you really get 11.00 about Charley's Spirit in the 7.10 Ripon because I don't think

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it ever got down to this figure? Fair enough if you matched it at more than this but I don't think it should be included in the results. #1245

21-06-2006, 11:22 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles Did you really get 11.00 about Charley's Spirit To the nearest whole number, as it turns out ... :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles I don't think it ever got down to this figure? Well, I must say that would surprise me a lot considering it opened at 9/1, but I wasn't looking at the time, I admit; so I'm not really all that well placed to discuss it (not that this is stopping me, it appears!) ... The ones I put down as "unmatched" are quite often ones where I've sneakily laid to 11.5 or 12.0 myself but don't like to say so because I don't want to encourage others to do the same, to be honest ... and if I think people wouldn't have had 11.0 matched if they'd just left it unmatched until the off, then I err on the side of calling those "unmatched" when they duly lose. I don't do that if they win the damn race, you'll notice! ... I think it's no secret that I also do other lays up to about 14.5 or 15.0 which I don't list here, and I put them on at the same time, and (as I've commented before) sometimes there's one listed here as "11.0" which might occasionally be a mixture of some at 11.0 and some at 11.5. The last time I very honestly put one down as "11.1" which really was actually what I'd laid to, on average, I got PM's (some of them from people with no posts at all who had apparently registered that very day specifically to complain to me in private and have not been heard of since!) telling me that there's no such price ... so you can perhaps understand my being a little sensitive about comments about the occasional "11.0"? :P : Quote:

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Originally Posted by achilles I don't think it should be included in the results.

So noted. You take it out of your copy then, and we'll both be happy ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1246

22-06-2006, 06:10 AM Join Date: Nov 2004

achilles

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Fair enough, I was not trying to cast any aspersions whatsoever on your excellent system or what you do, the bottom line is that I am sure that we are all grateful that you do indeed post them for us at all! #1247

22-06-2006, 08:42 AM Join Date: Sep 2003

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Maria - those people who emailed you are clearly lacking something in the brain cell department - you have made about £37,000 profit on this system (ok some people might just have made £30,000 but there you go!javascript:void(0) complain- what do they want - blood!

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Hate to think what would happen if you dared lose (unlikely imv) - perish the thought! #1248

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22-06-2006, 11:31 AM Join Date: Nov 2005

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May also add that if people don't realise that every price you get is likely to be averaged to figures like 11.1 because of the large stakes you place, then they clearly know nothing about betfair! #1249

22-06-2006, 11:51 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thank you, gentlemen ... 8)

So, the Two-Hundred-And-Forty-Fifth Day ... Thursday ... would be nice to have a plus result at some point this week, wouldn't it ... ??? :-[ I'm laying these ... Movethegoalposts 2.15 Ripon ... Mobane Flyer 2.25 Wolverhampton ... Trick Cyclist 2.50 Ripon ... Henry Hall 2.50 Ripon ... Bert's Memory 3.00 Wolverhampton ... Sindirana 3.10 Ascot ... Sergeant Cecil 3.50 Ascot ... Aventura 4.10 Wolverhampton ... Diamonds and Dust 4.35 Ripon ... Bollin Michael 4.45 Wolverhampton ... Bijou Dan 4.45 Wolverhampton ... English City 5.20 Wolverhampton ... Orpen Quest 5.45 Ripon ... And I'll be back later with some more for Beverley and Southwell (and maybe Tipperary) ...

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22-06-2006, 12:00 PM Join Date: Jun 2006

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Hi Maria (and everyone else), Yet another newbie making their 1st post in your thread. It seems you've caused quite a stir!! I've a bit of time off work at the moment and need something to pass the time so thought I'd have a bit of a go at this betting malarky. I can certainly say that this thread has already taught me so much and have read each and every page! So thanks for that. I've also enjoyed watching the evolution of your smiles ;D ;D I'm just in the process of research and eduaction at the moment and have a few questions for you. Do you think the success you are enjoying is due to the SR of your system? If I was to devise a laying system with a better SR do you think I would be able to enjoy decent profits (obviously depending on the amount of bets - but in theory)? Do you think your staking/ risk plan is the key to your successes? Obviously the lay price is a big factor - if one was not as good as you at getting the best laying prices how do you think this would have affected the profits? Hope you don't mind the questions but you seem a bit of a pro!! PS - Don't mean it to sound like an interview!! I would just like to pick your brains

28-06-2006, 12:35 PM Join Date: Nov 2005

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Granite Man is 3.10 @ Worcester for anyone looking. #1322

28-06-2006, 12:36 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Paldeis! ...

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28-06-2006, 01:11 PM Join Date: Mar 2006

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Ne par ko! Es tevi milu! lol ;D G #1324

28-06-2006, 01:21 PM

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You embarrass me, G ... :-[ You have the word order right, but idiomatically you should really say "Ludzu" after "Paldeis". "Paldeis" and "ludzu" go together stylistically, sort of like "grazia" and "prego" in Italian" or "Merci" and "ne rien" in French. "Ne par ko" is sort of a little bit more formal. Enough with the Latvian, I am trying to learn English now ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1325

28-06-2006, 01:28 PM Join Date: Mar 2006

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So the school report says "could do better" lol "lacks discipline" . I think you can out do me easily with languages Maria, but I get by as a simple boy from Ireland #1326

28-06-2006, 02:35 PM Join Date: Nov 2005

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Se taire vous zizi tetes!

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28-06-2006, 02:55 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Meanwhile, here are some miserable old stinkers to lay on Wednesday evening, in the increasingly unlikely event of anyone having sufficient funds left in their accounts to do so ... Diamond Dan 6.40 Bath ... Wood Fern 6.40 Bath ... Callisto Moon 7.28 Kempton ... Color Man 7.28 Kempton ... Just One Dance 7.30 Naas ... Simplified 7.40 Bath ... Tuning Fork 8.10 Bath ... Deeper In Debt 8.10 Bath ... Border Artist 8.10 Bath ... Nautical 8.24 Kempton ... Raise Again 8.30 Naas ... Matinee Idol 8.40 Bath ... Witchry 9.10 Bath ... Puya 9.20 Kempton ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1328

29-06-2006, 12:29 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 250 ...

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Hugs Destiny 2.10 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £263.02 Wanchai Night 2.20 Carlisle ... 10/1, 11.0, £175.35 Siren's Gift 2.30 Salisbury ... 6/1, 6.6, £263.02 Granite Man 2.30 Salisbury ... 13/8, 2.9 £263.02 :'( Moon Catcher 3.40 Worcester ... 9/2, 7.4, £263.02 Jacaranda 4.10 Worcester ... 9/4, 4.2, £263.02 Glasshoughton 4.20 Carlisle ... 3/1, 4.4, £263.02 :'( Lord Dundaniel 4.40 Worcester ... 7/1, 8.8, £175.35 Didbrook 5.10 Worcester ... 3/1, 5.0, £263.02 :'( Tranos 5.30 Salisbury ... 8/1, 9.6, £175.35 Diamond Dan 6.40 Bath ... 7/1, 10.0, £175.35 Wood Fern 6.40 Bath ... 7/1, 9.2, £175.35 Callisto Moon 7.28 Kempton ... 13/2, 9.2, £175.35 Color Man 7.28 Kempton ... 10/1, 11.0, £175.35 Just One Dance 7.30 Naas ... 12/1, unmatched,

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Simplified 7.40 Bath ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 Tuning Fork 8.10 Bath ... 17/2, 10, £175.35 Deeper In Debt 8.10 Bath ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 Border Artist 8.10 Bath ... 10/1, 9.6, £175.35 Nautical 8.24 Kempton ... 7/1, 9.0, £175.35 Raise Again 8.30 Naas ... 5/1, 7.0, £263.02 Matinee Idol 8.40 Bath ... 12/1, 8.4, £175.35 Witchry 9.10 Bath ... 12/1, 9.8, £175.35 Puya 9.20 Kempton ... 13/2, 9.8, £175.35

Comments: Excuse the weird prices in one or two places, I've been out quite a bit today and had to leave stuff unmatched where it was going to get matched as I couldn't sit and watch ... :-\ I wasn't matched on one of the Irish stinkers and have left it out of the results, although it might have been possible to get some matched actually, I think ... ???

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Equally I was matched earlier on Color Man which might have been difficult for others ... : Hard to believe the SP of Didbrook - I was matched at 5.0 and I swear 4.8 was the best I could possibly have done ... :P Today's takings were £4081.23 (that's £4296.04 less 5% commission); the nasty losses came to £2779.28, leaving a net profit of £1301.95 on the day ... And that takes the bank back up to £37977.00 ... :-X Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £1301.95 Tomorrow's bank: £37977.00 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.55% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: +17.36% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1165.9% Today's strike-rate: 20 wins from 23 selections = 86.96% June strike-rate: 506 wins from 592 selections = 85.47% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2672 wins from 3125 selections = 85.5%

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29-06-2006, 09:11 AM Join Date: Sep 2003

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Well done yesterday Maria - btw Didbrook touched 4.3 on Betfair I know cos I backed it at that stupid price about 5mins before start (didnt check your thread or might have been put off) there are huge swings in prices before off time and traders with big banks must have a field day at times.

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29-06-2006, 10:23 AM Join Date: Mar 2006

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29-06-2006, 11:31 AM Join Date: May 2006

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Hi Maria i have'nt posted before but have been watching your results as i lay for a living myself.What i would like to ask you is what are your thoughts and experience in Laying for liability. I have Layed for level stakes for getting on for 4 years and have only really looked at liability recently and i have to say it would make around about 35% difference to my results as i only Lay up to 5.0 but in the practical world of actually Laying to liability i have found it quite difficult as the prices obviously move and you have to work it out again and as i am looking at quite big sums it is a problem where as level stakes is quite easy to work out and can be done quickly.I would appreciate your thoughts on this. By the way well done on what you do its nice to know theres other like minded people out there ! #1332

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Originally Posted by bagman Not very nice ooer err misses? Where is the need?. Also check your grammer No problem here - wasn't intended offensively, I'm sure, G ... was just part of a jokey conversation ... I hope Ooer Missus won't mind my mentioning that I happen to know he's a professional layer who looks in sometimes just to see how I'm getting on, not a "heckler" ... Thursday 29th June: sorry - no lays for the afternoon session: I've had very great difficulty getting and staying online because of an ISP problem. I need to use information from several different websites to select the lays, and I'm just not going to have time to do them for this afternoon, though I might still manage some evening ones later. I'm just posting this quickly while I'm connected! ...

Hi Dipper ... welcome ...

I'll reply during the afternoon - assuming I can get here ok! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1333

29-06-2006, 01:57 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Oneth Day ... Thursday ... Sorry about the delay and to have missed the first part of the day. I am apparently connected now and hoping to do the rest of the day's laying as usual. Apologies in advance if I suddenly disappear but anyway my ISP will be working normally by tonight, they say ... (it's possible I might not get all my lays on, I suppose, though I have many on now, but I will just have to leave out of the results what is unmatched, if any) ... ??? : Anyway, I am laying these ... Bolodenka 3.20 Newcastle ... Willhewiz 3.40 Salisbury ... Humility 4.00 Lingfield ... Moohimm 4.30 Lingfield ... Stotsfold 4.30 Lingfield ... Viva Volta 4.50 Newcastle ... Ours 4.50 Newcastle ... It's Basil 5.00 Lingfield ... Polish Welcome 5.00 Lingfield ... Indian Lady 6.45 Leicester ... Chin Wag 7.15 Leicester ... Straight Gal 7.45 Leicester ... Shes Minnie 8.00 Hamilton ... Little Miss Gracie 9.00 Hamilton ... Mr Aitch 9.15 Leicester ...

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29-06-2006, 02:09 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dipper i lay for a living myself. Welcome; always interested to hear from people who lay for a living, naturally! ... Before trying to answer anything, I should tell you three things: first, you are the first person I've ever had contact with at all who lays for a living and only lays shorties, I was not aware that this was possible and am honestly astonished; secondly, the only experience of laying under 5.0 I have ever had is the few selections under that price that you see in this thread and similar ones the year before, not published here; thirdly, you doubtless have far more experience than I do anyway ... Quote:

Originally Posted by dipper What i would like to ask you is what are your thoughts and experience in Laying for liability.

Which will work best under 5.0 I have no idea, sorry! ... : I can only tell you what you already know, that overall laying to fixed stake is more profitable and much more dangerous and the results are much more swingy. Laying to fixed liability is safer and smoother and less frightening and steadier and a bit less profitable overall. I don't know that this is true under 5.0 but I don't see why it shouldn't be because it's certainly true of all other price ranges ... :-\ Laying to fixed stakes, of course, as you say, is easier to do in practice for calculating, but presumably you will have some sort of software or something which works everything out for you with a click or two ... ??? Under 5.0, I imagine you have no real problems at all with liquidity ... ??? Sorry, I am asking more than answering, but this should surprise nobody, I think ... :\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1335

29-06-2006, 02:31 PM Join Date: Jun 2006

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Maria, I have been following this thread off and on since the start of the year and am impressed with the results. As the year is approaching are you planning to continue with the thread afterwards or provide a different service? I am considering actively following your recommendations when I get back from holiday but this may not be worthwhile if you are discontinuing in a few weeks time. Hope the connection is sorted out. Cheers

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29-06-2006, 03:42 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Josamed

Thanks for delurking and posting ... I'm only sorry not to be able to give you the full answer you'd like ... :-[ Your question is obviously very appropriate because a laying system is indeed a longterm commitment and not really worth playing about with in the short term ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by Josamed As the year is approaching are you planning to continue with the thread afterwards or provide a different service? I am considering actively following your recommendations when I get back from holiday but this may not be worthwhile if you are discontinuing in a few weeks time. I'm really sorry, but I can't yet add anything to what I have said in reply no. 1207 on page 81 of this thread ... :-X __________________ maria santonix

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29-06-2006, 05:38 PM Join Date: Nov 2005

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Originally Posted by bagman Quote:

Originally Posted by ooer missus Se taire vous zizi tetes! Not very nice ooer err misses? Where is the need?. Also check your grammEr G

There's always a need for humour

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Originally Posted by maria I hope Ooer Missus won't mind my mentioning that I happen to know he's a professional layer who looks in sometimes just to see how I'm getting on, not a "heckler" ... Don't feel too professional lately...it's a tough old game. #1338

29-06-2006, 06:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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You're telling me ... At the start of today my laying bank was just under £38k; two weeks ago today it was just over £41k ... :'( :-\

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29-06-2006, 08:46 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 251 ...

Bolodenka 3.20 Newcastle ... 7/1, 9.0, £175.35 ;D Willhewiz 3.40 Salisbury ... 6/1, 7.0, £263.02 ;D Humility 4.00 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Moohimm 4.30 Lingfield ... 9/1, 9.8, £175.35 ;D Stotsfold 4.30 Lingfield ... 9/1, 8.6, £175.35 Viva Volta 4.50 Newcastle ... 11/2, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Ours 4.50 Newcastle ... 7/2, 4.2, £263.02 ;D It's Basil 5.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0, £175.35 ;D Polish Welcome 5.00 Lingfield ... 10/1, 9.6, £175.35 ;D Indian Lady 6.45 Leicester ... 15/2, 9.4, £175.35 ;D Chin Wag 7.15 Leicester ... 11/2, 6.0, £263.02 Straight Gal 7.45 Leicester ... 5/1, 4.8, £263.02 ;D Shes Minnie 8.00 Hamilton ... 11/2, 7.2, £263.02 ;D Little Miss Gracie 9.00 Hamilton ... 6/5, 2.18, £438.38 ;D Mr Aitch 9.15 Leicester ... 5/1, 6.4, £263.02

Comments: I can hardly believe both Velvet Waters and Rich Tea Biscuits both being done over by

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Mr Aitch in the 9.15 race ...

:P :

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Another dreadful day, I'm afraid. It really is very difficult at the moment ... today's takings were £2748.58 (that's £2893.25 less 5% commission); the nasty losses came to £4068.07, leaving a net loss of £1319.49 on the day ...and I have managed to lose yesterday's profits in one day ... :P And that takes the bank back down to £36657.51 ... :-X Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: (£1319.49 Tomorrow's bank: £36657.51 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.47%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: +13.28% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1121.92%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 15 selections = 80% : June strike-rate: 518 wins from 607 selections = 85.34% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2684 wins from 3140 selections = 85.48% :P __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1340

29-06-2006, 09:06 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Watching betfair, Mt Aitch was definitely set up to win that one - got stung myself but ended up on the day as i had a few other lays that worked. Perserverence Pays Profits __________________

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Originally Posted by The Saint Perserverence Pays Profits Ooh, I like that one: I might steal that one when I run out of "patience and discipline" (which might be any day now! ... :

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30-06-2006, 12:33 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Second Day ... last day of the month ... This afternoon I'm laying these ... Tinian 2.10 Market Rasen ... Mountain Pass 2.50 Wolverhampton ... Amazing Charlie 3.00 Folkestone ... Sweet Pickle 3.30 Folkestone ... Bound 3.40 Market Rasen ... Tech Eagle 3.40 Market Rasen ... King of Charm 4.00 Folkestone ... Mr Fluffy 4.10 Market Rasen ... Rose of Inchinor 4.20 Wolverhampton ... Resplendent Star 4.40 Market Rasen ... Zando 4.50 Wolverhampton ... Silivri 5.40 Market Rasen ...

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I'll be back later, laying some some at Newmarket, Newcastle, Curragh and anything else I can find ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1343

30-06-2006, 12:43 PM Join Date: Jun 2006

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Hi Maria, I seem to have started following your lays at the worst possible time!! I must start by saying that this post is not to join the doom and gloom merchants and poo pooers out there but just to merely share my results. I am the one who has chosen to use your selections and do not hold you in anyway responsible. I started on the 19th June and have layed when able due to work commitments, England matches etc. Since then I have layed 123 selections with a SR of 82.93 I am down to 75% of my starting bank now but luckily my other laying systems have been ok so am at evens since I started using your tips. In general I have matched at similar prices to you apart from the losers ??? I could do with some good days girl (as could you I'm sure). Just make sure they are not isolated to Saturday and Sunday please

as I'm not around.

Good luck and keep up the good work!! Rome was not built in a day! #1344

30-06-2006, 12:49 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by Walls I seem to have started following your lays at the worst possible time!! It's true ... :-[ There was one very bad patch in the winter, and one losing month overall then, but this is nearly as bad ... :P So I'm not the only person who starts good-looking things off and finds that they suddenly hit a dreadful patch, then? ... ??? :'( By the way ... there won't be any lays tomorrow, Saturday 1st July, because I will be travelling about and not able to do them, so the next month's laying will start on Sunday 2nd ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by Walls Rome was not built in a day! No, exactly ... "one must take a long-term view" and all that ... :-\

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30-06-2006, 03:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Friday evening lays ... not so many today ... :-\

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Light Shift 6.00 Newmarket ... Party 6.00 Newmarket ... Paraguay 7.00 Newmarket ... Participation 7.00 Newmarket ... Sierra Vista 7.15 Newcastle ... Wellington Hall 8.40 Newmarket ... Azygous 9.10 Newmarket ... Toy Top 9.20 Newcastle ...

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Results Update: day 252 ...

Tinian 2.10 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 10.0, £175.35 Mountain Pass 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 Amazing Charlie 3.00 Folkestone ... 7/2, 5.0, £263.02 Sweet Pickle 3.30 Folkestone ... 11/4, 5.2, £263.02 Bound 3.40 Market Rasen ... 6/1, 7.4, £263.02 Tech Eagle 3.40 Market Rasen ... 9/2, 7.0, £263.02 King of Charm 4.00 Folkestone ... 2/1, 3.15, £438.38 Mr Fluffy 4.10 Market Rasen ... 10/1, 8.4, £175.35 Rose of Inchinor 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 8.2, £175.35 Resplendent Star 4.40 Market Rasen ... 9/1, 9.6, £175.35

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Zando 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.5, £175.35 Silivri 5.40 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 8.0, £175.35 Light Shift 6.00 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £263.02 Party 6.00 Newmarket ... 11/2, 7.4, £263.02 Paraguay 7.00 Newmarket ... 9/1, 8.0, £175.35 Participation 7.00 Newmarket ... 6/1, 6.0, £263.02 Sierra Vista 7.15 Newcastle ... 11/2, 7.2, £263.02 Wellington Hall 8.40 Newmarket ... 7/1, 8.0, £175.35 Azygous 9.10 Newmarket ... 15/2, 9.8, £175.35 Toy Top 9.20 Newcastle ... 8/1, 8.8, £175.35

Comments: Nearly a very good day; still cursing the last race ... Today's takings were £3997.94 (that's £4208.36 less 5% commission); the nasty losses came to £2770.53, leaving a profit of £1227.41 on the day ... And that takes the bank back up to £37884.92 ... :-X Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £32360.68 Profit/(loss) today: £1227.41 Tomorrow's bank: £37884.92 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.35% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: +17.07% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1162.83% Today's strike-rate: 18 wins from 20 selections = 90% June strike-rate: 536 wins from 627 selections = 85.49% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2702 wins from 3160 selections = 85.51% Round-up of the month ... Made 17% profit on the month so I suppose I shouldn't complain ... :-\ On the other hand, the last couple of weeks has been particularly difficult ... and losing ... :P Let's hope what feels like a really bad month is behind us now; I see no reason why July and August shouldn't be good months ...

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Note: no lays tomorrow, Saturday 1st July. Normal service will be resumed on Sunday 2nd July ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1347

01-07-2006, 07:55 AM Join Date: May 2006

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Very good Maria, I'l have you a race to £100,000 __________________ If you know your past!! You can take a glimpse into your future

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02-07-2006, 12:35 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Third Day ... Sunday 2nd July ...

Not so many today, but some really dangerous shorties ... I'm laying these (because they are system selections, after all, and besides, I'm feeling very brave/reckless) ... Dandy Man 2.05 Curragh ... Diminuto 2.30 Windsor ... Tinian 2.40 Uttoxeter ...

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Nuzzle 2.40 Uttoxeter ... Shoshoni 2.50 Warwick ... Gwilym 3.00 Windsor ... Bearaway 3.15 Uttoxeter ... Imperial Star 2.25 Windsor ... Ali D 4.00 Warwick ... Raslan 4.35 Warwick ... Key Time 4.35 Warwick ... Nimra 5.20 Windsor ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1349

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Sorry ... typo in the above post ... Imperial Star is of course in the 3.35 Windsor not "2.25 Windsor" as I typed it above ... :-[ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1350

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Originally Posted by Somerset Racing Very good Maria, I'l have you a race to £100,000 I will beat you easily to £100,000 as long as I start from £120,000, the way I am going at the moment ... :P :

Results Update: day 253 ...

Dandy Man 2.05 Curragh ... 5/4, 2.25, £438.38 Diminuto 2.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Tinian 2.40 Uttoxeter ... 8/1, 11.0, £175.35 ;D Nuzzle 2.40 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 8.2, £175.35 Shoshoni 2.50 Warwick ... 15/2, 10.0, £175.35 ;D Gwilym 3.00 Windsor ... 7/1, 10.0, £175.35 ;D Bearaway 3.15 Uttoxeter ... 5/1, 6.2, £263.02 ;D Imperial Star 2.25 Windsor ... 13/8, 2.42, £263.02 Ali D 4.00 Warwick ... 7/2, 4.8, £263.02 ;D Raslan 4.35 Warwick ... 7/1, 7.4, £263.02 Key Time 4.35 Warwick ... 5/4, 2.7, £438.38 ;D Nimra 5.20 Windsor ... 2/1, 3.4, £438.38 ;D

Comments: I knew it was never going to be clear-cut profit today, but I really didn't expect four winners out of that lot. Laying Raslan to the very worst and most expensive possible price didn't exactly help, of course ...

A fine start to the month ... Today's takings were £2082.27 (that's £2191.87 less 5% commission); four terrible losses came to £4116.33, leaving a net loss of £2034.06 (5.37%) on the day ... And that takes the bank back down to £35850.86 ... :-X Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: (£2034.06) Tomorrow's bank: £35850.86 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.37%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (5.37%) Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1095.03%

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Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 12 selections = 66.67% July strike-rate: 8 wins from 12 selections = 66.67% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2710 wins from 3172 selections = 85.44%

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Fourth Day ... Monday 3rd July ... I don't remember a day with so few in the afternoon. There will be more for the evening ... I'm laying these ... Great View 2.15 Pontefract ... Armigerent 3.15 Pontefract ... Collette's Choice 4.15 Pontefract ... Takes Tutu 5.15 Pontefract ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1352

03-07-2006, 02:56 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Monday evening lays ... Cuppacocoa 6.40 Windsor ... Rouge et Noir 6.55 Musselburgh ... Holiday Cocktail 7.10 Windsor ... The Mighty Ogmore 7.25 Musselburgh ... Lipizza 7.40 Windsor ... Final Tune 7.55 Musselburgh ... Myths and Verses 8.25 Musselburgh ... Almowj 8.25 Musselburgh ... Eijaaz 8.55 Musselburgh ... Fremen 8.55 Musselburgh ... Alambic 9.25 Musselburgh ...

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Results Update: day 254 ...

Great View 2.15 Pontefract ... 9/2, 6.0, £263.02 ;D Armigerent 3.15 Pontefract ... 6/1, 5.6, £263.02 ;D Collette's Choice 4.15 Pontefract ... 6/1, 8.2, £175.35 Takes Tutu 5.15 Pontefract ... 7/1, 8.0, £175.35 ;D Cuppacocoa 6.40 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.4, £163.02 ;D Rouge et Noir 6.55 Musselburgh ... 12/1, unmatched, ;D not in results ... Holiday Cocktail 7.10 Windsor ... 10/3, 5.0, £263.02 ;D The Mighty Ogmore 7.25 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 6.2, £263.02 ;D Lipizza 7.40 Windsor ... 5/2, 3.3, £438.38 ;D

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Final Tune 7.55 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 6.0, £263.02 ;D Myths and Verses 8.25 Musselburgh ... 13/2, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Almowj 8.25 Musselburgh ... 11/2, 7.4, £263.02 ;D Eijaaz 8.55 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 10.5, £175.35 ;D Fremen 8.55 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 6.0, £263.02 Alambic 9.25 Musselburgh ... 7/2, 4.0, £263.02 ;D

Comments: Rouge et Noir opened at 10/1, they say. I was unmatched at 11.0 anyway, so I'll leave it out of the results ... : Someone has just told me that it was "softish" at Musselburgh ce soir ... possibly a factor in Fremen's race(?). Fremen was a totally clear-cut selection today. Ballyhurry, in the same race, was a very marginal one which I decided to leave out ... :-[ Today's takings were £2998.44 (that's £3156.26 less 5% commission); the two nasty losses came to £2577.62, which feels like a fortune for two nasty losses, but it leaves a profit of £420.82 (1.17%) on the day, so I suppose that's alright, then ... Anyway, that brings the bank upwards a little bit: £36271.68 ... :-X

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £420.82 Tomorrow's bank: £36271.68 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.17% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.26%) : Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1109.06% Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 14 selections = 85.717% July strike-rate: 20 wins from 26 selections = 76.92% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2722 wins from 3186 selections = 85.44% I have been here many times before. The main thing is that unless the overall strikerate suddenly drops dramatically this month (and there's absolutely no reason why it should), we will recover all the lost ground and get back in front ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1354

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Every site seems to give Musselburgh as Good going (except the racing post which says - Good with Good/Soft patches) They must have had a lot of rain because that track rarely is worse than good. Probably because of the sand base. __________________ Betting always has hot and cold spells. Make sure you profit when it is hot. #1355

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Hmm, interesting Swebby - thank you. I have no figures to prove the point, but it has always seemed to me that I do worse at Brighton, Musselburgh and Goodwood than at other courses. It may just be one of those things that you notice more once you think you've identified it, or it may be true but have three different reasons, of course (like a very individual-shaped course, a different reason, and highly competitive racing, say, respectively) ... ??? : __________________ maria santonix My blog #1356

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The Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Fifth Day ... also known as Tuesday ... What a day it is for non-runners today. You can almost hear the brown envelopes changing hands - oops, did I say that out loud? ...

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This has made havoc with my lays today, and means another quiet day (that and the fact that extra considerations are needed when Brighton is involved ...) ... : Anyway, this afternoon I'm laying these (in the unlikely event that any of them is still actually running when anyone looks) ... Just Dust 2.30 Brighton ... Primed Up 3.00 Brighton ... Michaels Pride 3.15 Hamilton ... Ulysees 3.15 Hamilton ... Iberian Light 4.00 Brighton ... Wonderful Desert 4.30 Brighton ... Multahab 5.00 Brighton ... I'll have some more later for Thirsk and Southwell ... 8) Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1357

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Tuesday evening lays ...

I am still plagued by further non-runners ... what is going on today ... ??? >

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Anyway, I'm laying these ... Aahgowangowan 6.30 Thirsk ... Fu Fighter 6.45 Southwell ... Autour du Monde 8.00 Thirsk ... Templet 8.15 Southwell ... Shared Account 8.45 Southwell ... Whispering Death 9.00 Thirsk ...

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Results Update: day 255 ...

Just Dust 2.30 Brighton ... 11/2, 6.0, £263.02 Primed Up 3.00 Brighton ... non-runner ... Michaels Pride 3.15 Hamilton ... 9/1, 8.6, £175.35 Ulysees 3.15 Hamilton ... 8/1, 7.3, £263.02 Iberian Light 4.00 Brighton ... 4/1, 6.2, £263.02 Wonderful Desert 4.30 Brighton ... 7/1, 7.0, £263.02 Multahab 5.00 Brighton ... 5/1, 7.4, £263.02 Aahgowangowan 6.30 Thirsk ... 11/4, 4.5, £263.02 Fu Fighter 6.45 Southwell ... 15/2, 9.2, £175.35 Autour du Monde 8.00 Thirsk ... 8/1, 9.6, £175.35

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Templet 8.15 Southwell ... 8/1, 8.4, £175.35 Shared Account 8.45 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.4, £263.02 Whispering Death 9.00 Thirsk ... 5/2, 3.25, £438.38

Comments: Too shocked to comment much ... I wish there were a reliable way of finding out when a horse is in foal before the damn race ... Today's takings were a mere £1749.09 (that's £1841.15 less 5% commission); the four nasty losses came to £4519.61, which leaves a loss of £2770.52 (7.64%!!) on the day ... And the bank has slumped again to £33501.16. Notice it does not so much rise as plummet ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: (£2770.52) Tomorrow's bank: £33501.16 Tomorrow's stakes: £438.38, £263.02 and £175.35

Bank increase/(loss) today: (7.64%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (11.57%) : Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1016.7%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 12 selections = 66.67% July strike-rate: 28 wins from 38 selections = 73.68% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2730 wins from 3198 selections = 85.37%

I will recover all the lost ground and get back in front ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1359

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Have you considered dropping your short priced system lays, as over the last week or so they seem invariably to have gone on to win? Not a criticism, but perhaps a bit of fine tuning needed. Keep them coming as I'm sure it will soon turn good again. You don't appreciate the good spells if you don't experience the bad ones. __________________ Saint #1360

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Chin up, girl

. If it aint broke don't fix it.

And it aint broke - just driving over some bad road. :-* :-*

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hello Maria, sorry about today, but I did warn you, I'm the kiss off death!!! you will be ok tomorrow, I can't get to the 'puter!!! #1432

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The Two-Hundred-And-Sixty-Fourth Day ... 5-day ... Time to test out the Power Of Positive Thinking theory, probably ... specially for The Saint: Friday's barefoot laying selections ... they will get nowhere without horseshoes, you wait and see ...

I'm laying these (yes, even Blue Tomato, a dangerous shorty) ... Giganticus 1.30 Newmarket ... Rallying Cry 2.00 Newmarket ... Zidane 2.35 Newmarket ... Nidhaal 2.45 York ... Romany Nights 2.55 Lingfield ... Blue Tomato 2.55 Lingfield ... Tough Love 3.20 York ... Ask No More 3.30 Lingfield ... Surely Truly 4.05 Lingfield ... In Dubai 4.40 Lingfield ... Green Room 4.55 Newmarket ... There'll be more this evening than this afternoon, I think ... all those nice ones from Chestow and Chepster and places with similar names, and that's without mentioning Hamilton, Cork, Fairyhouse and Longchamp at all ... No laying selections tomorrow (Saturday) because I'm travelling again. Back to normal (such as it is) on Sunday ... I'm not exactly directly avoiding Saturdays, but I do make my travelling plans for Saturdays when I can, because it's the day of the week that I least mind leaving out ...

Good luck today! ...

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Hi Maria First post, I've been reading most of your post's for this system, an excellent read. Can you tell me if you take any of the profit out and revert back to a smaller stake, or are you just increasing your stakes as the bank grows?

Again, fantastic stuff, thanks. #1434

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Hi, Mr. Shrewdie, and welcome to EBA ... Quote:

Originally Posted by mr shrewdie Can you tell me if you take any of the profit out and revert back to a smaller stake, or are you just increasing your stakes as the bank grows? So far I don't take out any of the "declared profit" (i.e. what the figures say in the thread) and I'm just letting it build up for a whole year (until the end of August, when I'll re-plan), but to be honest there's always been extra at the end of the month (partly because of differential rates of commission, partly because I leave the odd

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winning lay out of the figures, and partly because I lay a few more at prices like 13.0 and 14.0 which I don't put in the thread anyway) and I've been withdrawing the "extra" monthly ... but the short answer is that I let it build up ...

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Originally Posted by mr shrewdie fantastic stuff Given the way this month's been going so far (and last month not being exactly a picnic either by comparison with the earlier months), you are the utmost soul of tact to make this comment, thank you ...

Meanwhile, I'd better put up the evening laying selections, otherwise people will think I've forgotten them ... Ye Olde Friday Evening Layyes ... Feelin Irie 6.30 Chester ... Just Joey 7.00 Chester ... Glasshoughton 7.30 Chester ... Right Ted 7.40 Chepstow ... Moonwalking 7.50 Hamilton ... Riotous 8.00 Chester ... Bronze Dancer 8.50 Hamilton ... Norman Beckett 8.50 Hamilton ... Safranine 9.00 Chester ... Dream Rose 9.10 Chepstow ... Imperial Lucky 9.10 Chepstow ... Starboard Light 9.10 Chepstow ... Ulysees 9.20 Hamilton ... Anthemion 9.20 Hamilton ... No laying selections tomorrow (Saturday) because I'm travelling again. Back to normal on Sunday ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1435

14-07-2006, 04:33 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Thanks Maria Clean sweep this afternoon, lets hope for the same this evening. #1436

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Toes crossed, here ... but a clean sweep on a day with 25 lays is asking a lot, even when you feel you're "overdue" for that, because the damn horses don't always seem to understand that I'm laying them! ...

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Hi Maria Something I ment to ask you, if you can't get matched before the off,prices gone though the roof, would you try and get matched in play, I did it a couple of times ok and got away with it. #1442

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Hi Maria could you tell me why you showed the "winner" on fri. as 10x183.34 and not 9x183.34? good luck #1443

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Quote:

Originally Posted by slip-shod if you can't get matched before the off,prices gone though the roof, would you try and get matched in play, I did it a couple of times ok and got away with it. I don't actually do in-running betting myself, but I follow the logic completely. Certainly several people following this system have told me that that's what they do, and as far as I'm aware it seems to work for them. I think my reservation in trying it myself might be that if I haven't been matched on one, it's because its odds were too long, so for me to get matched in running, it must have shortened a bit (or maybe a lot!), and I think I would worry that whatever the reason is for that, it might be connected with an overall reduction in the probability of it losing. Once the system has selected one, even if it shortens consistently for about 10 hours before the race, I'll always just wait until the last minute before the off and lay it anyway; but whether or not I would feel so comfortable laying one that has shortened in running strikes me as somehow a different question altogether. While they're actually running, the market has new information not previously available. I think the point I'm making in my longwinded way here is that the "shortening" before the off is due to market perceptions, and systems try on some level (among other things) to exploit deficiencies in market perceptions, so I have no reservations at all before the off in "going against the crowd" if that's what my system has, in effect, told me to do, whereas doing that

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while they're actually running and people can see what's going on is a rather different barrel of plankton ... so it's not for me, on balance ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by slip-shod could you tell me why you showed the "winner" on fri. as 10x183.34 and not 9x183.34?

Yes, this one I can answer more accurately (and briefly!) ... It's because I always put the results up late at night when I'm often tired and I make the occasional slip. I was hoping that it would turn out to be some sort of typo (like maybe "10.0" instead of "11.0") and that I wouldn't have to change too much, but I'm afraid it wasn't, this time. I have amended all the figures now to correct this slip. Apologies. Thank you, and well spotted ... On my way soon ... might be online again late tonight ... more lays tomorrow; meanwhile, have a good Saturday ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1444

15-07-2006, 08:44 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria Thanks for your answer, I understand. Good luck one and all. slip-shod #1445

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And on the two-hundred-and-sixty-fifth-day (Sunday) ... I'm laying these ... Gentian 2.00 Stratford ... Swiss Cottage 2.05 Curragh ... Takes Tutu 2.20 Haydock ... Imazulutoo 2.30 Stratford ... Estate 3.00 Stratford ... Bobbing Cove 3.10 Perth ... Orphan 3.20 Haydock ... Kety Star 3.30 Stratford ... Gaudeamus 3.35 Curragh ... Meltonian 4.05 Stratford ... Forbearing 4.05 Stratford ... Bodfari Signet 4.15 Perth ... Damarisco 4.40 Stratford ... Corrib Drift 4.40 Stratford ... Hovering 4.45 Curragh ...

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Results Update: day 265 ...

Gentian 2.00 Stratford ... 11/2, 4.8, £275.01 Swiss Cottage 2.05 Curragh ... 5/1, 7.4, £275.01

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Takes Tutu 2.20 Haydock ... 15/2, 9.2, £183.34 Imazulutoo 2.30 Stratford ... 9/2, 5.6, £275.01 Estate 3.00 Stratford ... 3/1, 4.3, £275.01 Bobbing Cove 3.10 Perth ... non-runner ... Orphan 3.20 Haydock ... 16/1!, 9.0, £183.34 Kety Star 3.30 Stratford ... 7/1, 11.0, £183.34 Gaudeamus 3.35 Curragh ... 13/2, 7.4, £275.01 Meltonian 4.05 Stratford ... 9/1, 8.8, £183.34 Forbearing 4.05 Stratford ... 9/1, 10.5, £183.34 Bodfari Signet 4.15 Perth ... 9/2, 7.0, £275.01 Damarisco 4.40 Stratford ... 8/1, 10.0, £183.34 Corrib Drift 4.40 Stratford ... 7/1, 8.2, £183.34 Hovering 4.45 Curragh ... 9/1, 11.0, £183.34

Comments: Orphan: a weird one - I was matched early at 9.0 and then it shot out, but then a while after I'd posted the selections, it dipped briefly right back down to 8.0, so anyone unmatched anywhere between 11.0 and 8.0 was easily matched ... Kety Star: another peculiar one - I am embarrassed to have been matched at 11.0, but who'd have thought the SP would be 7/1? ... ??? Today's takings were £2786.76 (and that's £2933.34 less 5% commission), and the loser (winner) cost £1320.05, which leaves a net profit of £1466.71 ... and that's +3.54% today ... So the bank has picked up to £42861.62 but tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £1466.71 Tomorrow's bank: £42861.62 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.54% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.14%

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1328.72% Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 14 selections = 92.86% ;D July strike-rate: 195 wins from 227 selections = 85.9% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2895 wins from 3387 selections = 85.47%

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16-07-2006, 04:32 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria Not full house, but well up on the day, you can't ask more than that!!! The brightest star in the galaxy!!! good luck one and all slip-shod #1448

16-07-2006, 04:54 PM Join Date: May 2006

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its going very well for you Maria Grand profit

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Originally Posted by Somerset Racing Grand profit One and a half grand today! ;D #1450

16-07-2006, 05:18 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Mmjaaa, paldeis ... but talking of "grand", I am all too aware that we are still nearly three grand down from our high point here - nearly another 7% still to recover. Whereas of course in theory it's possible to pick this up in one really good day, it's really more likely to take many days, and to have another dip or two along the way before we get there ... :-\ : The month may be back in profit for me, but there are others who started with great misfortune at the worst possible time, just when I had a couple of real disasters, and don't forget that they may still be losing a lot of money here ...

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On the other hand, people can get lucky also: I heard earlier from one member (I

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hope he won't mind my repeating his story) who had a brief internet disconnection today as a result of which he failed to get matched on Corrib Drift! ...

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Maria, This is my first posting. I have followed your thread from more or less the begining, every day I look forward to reading the posts. Unfortunatly because I have to work I am unable to place bets on your selections but I really have to say a massive thank you. I was completly new to betting when I came across your thread and although I have miles to go I have learnt loads esp discipline which I find hardest of all. Really Maria I dont want to waffle on about me I just want to say thank you to you and to say you deserve every penny you have earned , I will strive to be like you ! #1452

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Maria..... not into the laying part of betting but this looks the bee's knee's to me Maria :P......Keep up the great work Maria never know might start this laying malarky myself ;D __________________ GL whatever you punt today...... Pete #1453

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Originally Posted by barneyrubble999 This is my first posting. Hi Barney, I shouldn't say "welcome to EBA" if you've been here so long, but welcome as a poster, anyway, and thank you ... Quote:

Originally Posted by peteg40 never know might start this laying malarky myself ;D I'd just avoid laying anything here that's also a selection in "Pete's Trial Bets Part Two", if I were you: in the long run it will not pay, you know ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1454

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The Two-Hundred-And-Sixty-Sixth Day ... 1-day ... 17th July ... I'm laying these ... Barfleur 2.15 Newton Abbot ... Silk Merchant 2.30 Ayr ...

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Just Lille 2.30 Ayr ... Rye Brook 2.45 Newton Abbot ... Artane Boys 3.20 Newton Abbot ... Millfield 3.35 Ayr ... Iffy 4.25 Newton Abbot ... Lord Of The Hill 4.55 Newton Abbot ... Dulce Sueno 5.10 Ayr ...

There will be more later from those courses beginning with "W" ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1455

17-07-2006, 04:33 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Monday evening lays ... also not so many ... :-\ : Charley's Aunt 7.10 Wolverhampton ... Park's Girl 7.40 Wolverhampton ... Multitude 7.40 Wolverhampton ... Major Blade 8.10 Wolverhampton ... Zizou 8.25 Windsor ... Gwilym 8.55 Windsor ... Gem Bien 9.10 Wolverhampton ... Band 9.10 Wolverhampton ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1456

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Results Update: day 266 ...

Barfleur 2.15 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 8.2, £183.34 Silk Merchant 2.30 Ayr ... 7/1, 8.4, £183.34 Just Lille 2.30 Ayr ... 8/1, 10.0, £183.34 Rye Brook 2.45 Newton Abbot ... 9/2, 5.9, £275.01 Artane Boys 3.20 Newton Abbot ... 8/1, 10.5, £183.34 Millfield 3.35 Ayr ... 7/1, 8.8, £183.34 Iffy 4.25 Newton Abbot ... 11/2, 7.0, £275.01 Lord Of The Hill 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 8/1, 9.8, £183.34 Dulce Sueno 5.10 Ayr ... 5/1, 7.4, £275.01 Charley's Aunt 7.10 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 9.2 (ave), £183.34 Park's Girl 7.40 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.0, £275.01 Multitude 7.40 Wolverhampton ... non-runner ... Major Blade 8.10 Wolverhampton ...13/2, 9.2, £183.34 Zizou 8.25 Windsor ... 6/1, 8.0, £183.34 Gwilym 8.55 Windsor ... 14/1, 11.0, £183.34

... not included in results ...

Gem Bien 9.10 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.1 (ave), £275.01 Band 9.10 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.3, £275.01

Comments: So far, so reasonable ... Gwilym: I've left it out of the results because I think I had taken almost all the money available from 10.0 to 12.0 myself before I posted the selections, as it turned out, so I

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know that almost nobody here could have laid this one within the cut-off, sorry ... :-[ :P : Today's takings were £2960.94 (and that's £3116.78 less 5% commission), and the loser (winner) cost £1650.06, which leaves a net profit of £1310.88 ... and that's +3.06% today ... So the bank has picked up to £44172.50 but tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £1310.88 Tomorrow's bank: £44172.50 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.06% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.14% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1328.72% Today's strike-rate: 15 wins from 16 selections = 93.75% ;D July strike-rate: 210 wins from 242 selections = 86.78% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2910 wins from 3403 selections = 85.51%

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Ooooh I like that strike rate - grats on another great day. __________________ Saint

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Originally Posted by maria I've left it out of the results because I think I had taken almost all the money available from 10.0 to 12.0 myself More shoe money disappears discreetly from this account: well done today, and thank you! #1459

17-07-2006, 09:38 PM Join Date: May 2006

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brilliant today maria - two thumbs up as always superb

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Hi Maria another day well in the money,outstanding!!!!!!! good luck one and all slip-shod #1462

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Thank you! ... Tuesday ... we're going to be running really late today, because of Betfair being down until 12.00 (they say!) ... >

A further update and/or the laying selections to follow ... : __________________ maria santonix

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18-07-2006, 12:53 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Sixty-Seventh Day ... 2-day ... I can't help thinking that if I owned Betfair, and had to do 5-hour-long scheduled maintenance with the site down, I might want to do it from something like 1.00 to 6.00am rather than 7.00am to 12.00pm, but that probably just shows you why they actually own it and I'm just a punter ... ??? :-\ :-X Anyway, now that they will condescend to handle my money, I'm laying these ... Perlachy 2.45 Brighton ... Regal Dream 3.00 Brighton ... Zennerman 3.15 Beverley ... Jimmy the Guesser 3.15 Beverley ... Tumble Jill 3.30 Brighton ... Hadath 4.00 Brighton ... Zafarilla 4.00 Brighton ... Take A Mile 4.30 Brighton ... Gigs Magic 4.30 Brighton ... Markestino 4.45 Beverley ... Meelup 5.00 Brighton ... Kernel Dowery 5.00 Brighton ... Icannshift 5.00 Brighton ...

Yarmouth, Newcastle, Killarney and Jurmala later ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1464

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Hi Maria A full house!!!! and just the two heart attacks, same this eve? you can do it!!! we all know you can!!! best of luck one and all. slip-shod #1465

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Meelup increased my blood pressure by 20%, you are a dangerous girl, but brilliant. I must learn not to watch these races where we layed 3 horses! What is this evening's menu, mana jauka meitene!? #1466

18-07-2006, 04:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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You must never expect a clean sweep for the day, because they are very rare! ... It's much better to prepare yourself for four winners, in the hope that they will not materialise and in the knowledge that you can afford them without heart attacks if they do! If you can't do this with equanimity then your staking is too high ...

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Tuesday evening lays ... Diggs Lane 6.20 Yarmouth ... King's Causeway 6.20 Yarmouth ... Sharp Hat 6.40 Newcastle ... Prospect Court 6.40 Newcastle ... Cyprus Rose 6.50 Yarmouth ... Providence Farm 7.40 Newcastle The Dandy Fox 7.40 Newcastle ... Luis Melendez 7.50 Yarmouth ... Postage Stampe 8.20 Yarmouth ... Bright Sun 8.40 Newcastle ... Niteowl Lad 9.10 Newcastle ... Ryedane 9.10 Newcastle ...

Nothing from Killarney or Jurmala after all, sorry ... :-[ :P :

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Results Update: day 267 ...

Perlachy 2.45 Beverley ... 11/4, 5.2, £275.01 Regal Dream 3.00 Brighton ... 8/1, 8.8, £183.34 Zennerman 3.15 Beverley ... 8/1, 9.0. £183.34 Jimmy the Guesser 3.15 Beverley ... 10/1, 11.0, £183.34 Tumble Jill 3.30 Brighton ... 7/1, 9.4, £183.34

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Hadath 4.00 Brighton ... 7/1, 8.0, £183.34 Zafarilla 4.00 Brighton ... 9/1, 11.0, £183.34 Take A Mile 4.30 Brighton ... 11.0, £183.34 Gigs Magic 4.30 Brighton ... 4.4, £275.01 Markestino 4.45 Beverley ... 6.6/7.0, £275.01 Meelup 5.00 Brighton ... 7/1, 8.6, £183.34 Kernel Dowery 5.00 Brighton ... 9/2, 5.6, £275.01 Icannshift 5.00 Brighton ... 9/1, 11.0, £183.34 Diggs Lane 6.20 Yarmouth ... 12/1 op 8/1, 9.4, £183.34 King's Causeway 6.20 Yarmouth ... 13/2, 7.8, £183.34 Sharp Hat 6.40 Newcastle ... 16/1, unmatched ...

... not in results! ...

Prospect Court 6.40 Newcastle ... 8/1, 10.0, £183.34 Cyprus Rose 6.50 Yarmouth ... 9/1, 8.3 (ave), £183.34 Providence Farm 7.40 Newcastle ... 10.5, £183.34 The Dandy Fox 7.40 Newcastle ... 9.6, £183.34 Luis Melendez 7.50 Yarmouth ... 3.4, £458.38 Postage Stampe 8.20 Yarmouth ... 11/2, 7.0, £275.01 Bright Sun 8.40 Newcastle ... 13/2, 6.0, £275.01 Niteowl Lad 9.10 Newcastle ... 8/1, 9.6, £183.34 Ryedane 9.10 Newcastle ... 7/1, 8.4, £183.34

Comments: Very frustrating and disappointing, and it looked so much better after the afternoon session; sorry ... :-[ :P : Zafarilla: what a swingy one - it was anywhere between 6.00 and 17.5 depending on when you looked; but many thousands of pounds traded at 11.0 and 10.5 and 10.0 (I lazily just left 11.0 unmatched, myself, because I went out for an hour or so, so that was where I was matched) ...

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Meelup: I noticed it traded in-running at 1.16!! ... King's Causeway: there was a total of only £874 traded at 7.4 before the off (none of it mine!): very well done to anyone who got matched at their higher stake at that price. Just after the off, it would have been terribly easy, but I dislike betting inrunning so much that I settled for the lower stake at 7.8, myself ...

Sharp Hat: ... "no way, José" ... Luis Melendez: anyone failing to get under the cut-off will at least have saved some money compared with my result, the worst possible ... Today's takings were £4180.15 (and that's £4400.16 less 5% commission), but three dreadful losers (winners), two of them very surprising, cost £4106.850, which leaves a net profit of only £73.30 ... and that's +0.17% today ... :-\ So the bank is now £44245.80 and of course tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £73.30 Tomorrow's bank: £44245.80 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.17% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.79% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1374.86% Today's strike-rate: 21 wins from 24 selections = 87.5% July strike-rate: 231 wins from 266 selections = 86.84% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2931 wins from 3427 selections = 85.53% :-\ __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1468

18-07-2006, 10:16 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria it's not too much stake, it's too much excitement!!!! still a profit on the day,wonderfull!! enough to for a couple of oxygen bottles for tomorrow good luck one and all slip-shod #1469

18-07-2006, 10:24 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by slip-shod enough to for a couple of oxygen bottles for tomorrow I know what you mean ... but in my case a quick cigarette with those might inadvertently bring the whole thread to a premature end! ...

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Sorry about this evening's accidents: let's hope for a bit more tomorrow, anyway ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1470

18-07-2006, 10:45 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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From a purely selfish point of view, get the eve selections on the ball and the weekend day selections as I tend to miss the weekday selections in the main. Our IT admin fag blocks all gambling sites at wortk. ;D __________________ Saint

19-07-2006, 09:02 AM Join Date: Aug 2003

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Maria Haven't had much time to look at other posts and never got into laying yet but congrats on what is an outstanding thread, your hard work is testimony to the rule that this game is a marathon not a sprint. Well done Mick __________________ When work is a pleasure life is a joy #1472

19-07-2006, 12:41 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Sixty-Eighth Day ... (3-day) ... I'm laying these ... Xaluna Bay 2.50 Lingfield ... And I 2.50 Lingfield ... Osolomio 3.00 Catterick ... Earl of Spectrum 3.10 Uttoxeter ... Star Berry 3.20 Lingfield ... Potts of Magic 3.40 Uttoxeter ... Lygeton Lad 3.50 Lingfield ... Demon Docker 3.50 Lingfield ... Buachaill Dona 4.00 Catterick ... Lord Dundaniel 4.10 Uttoxeter ... Able King 4.40 Uttoxeter ... Princess Danah 4.50 Lingfield ... And more extra-specially-chosen ones, later, for Killarney and Leopardstown, after The Saint goes home from work ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1473

19-07-2006, 03:43 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Wow - absolutely outstanding Maria, only just stumbled into this and to say it's impressive is a huge understatement. Your "following" must say prayers for you each night I have seen in various places your ref to 31st Auugust being sort of exit day. Does this mean that you'll start dipping into your hard earned ;D or stop posting up your selections

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if it's the later I see that as too short a time frame to be starting now, as I know how quickly laying can attack you rear end. Whatever, you have been brilliant to do all the work and share it like you have - nice one #1474

19-07-2006, 03:58 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria Good job I got 40 fags and the oxygen!!! it'll all come right in the end!!! good luck one and all slip-shod #1475

19-07-2006, 04:18 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Back from work - post away pretty please! ;D __________________ Saint #1476

19-07-2006, 04:19 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Ziggy, and welcome to EBA ... I'm embarrassed still not to have any better answer to your totally reasonable and appropriate question than my comments further back in the thread, I'm afraid ... :-[ :-[ :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggy I know how quickly laying can attack you rear end. Your comment turns out to be very well-timed, too, after a sudden and unexpected disastrous afternoon! ... Quote:

Originally Posted by slip-shod Good job I got 40 fags and the oxygen!!!

More or less what I have been thinking! ...

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Originally Posted by slip-shod it'll all come right in the end!!! Many thanks for your confidence! I agree, because it always does eventually when there's some great setbeck; but this really, really hasn't been an easy month or so at all! ...

The Saint has absolutely brilliant timing, today! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1477

19-07-2006, 04:21 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Wednesday eveing lays, to start the recovery from a uniquely dreadful afternoon ... :[ :-[ :-[ Jubilee Dream 6.35 Worcester ... Burgundy 7.00 Kempton ... Mizzle 7.28 Kempton ... Lawgiver 8.05 Worcester ... Famcred 8.52 Kempton ... Principal Witness 9.05 Worcester ...

Good luck ce soir! ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1478

19-07-2006, 08:26 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Timed to perfection today I think. Not always this lucky mind you.

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19-07-2006, 08:34 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 268 ...

Xaluna Bay 2.50 Lingfield ... 7/2, 6.2, £275.01 And I 2.50 Lingfield ... 15/2, 7.2, £275.01 Osolomio 3.00 Catterick ... 4/1, 5.3, £275.01 Earl of Spectrum 3.10 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 9.0, £183.34 Star Berry 3.20 Lingfield 20/1, unmatched,

... not included in results! ...

Potts of Magic 3.40 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 8.0, £183.34 Lygeton Lad 3.50 Lingfield ... 9/1, 11.0, £183.34 Demon Docker 3.50 Lingfield ... 6/1, 8.2, £275.01 Buachaill Dona 4.00 Catterick ... 4.4, £275.01 Lord Dundaniel 4.10 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 8.8. £183.34 Able King 4.40 Uttoxeter ... 5/4, 2.5, £458.36 Princess Danah 4.50 Lingfield ... 7.4, £275.01 Jubilee Dream 6.35 Worcester ... 5/2, 4.1, £275.01 Burgundy 7.00 Kempton ... 3/1, 3.8, £275.01 Mizzle 7.28 Kempton ... 4/1, 4.4, £275.01 Lawgiver 8.05 Worcester ... 13/2, 8.7 (ave), £183.34 Famcred 8.52 Kempton ... 3/1, 5.0, £275.01 Principal Witness 9.05 Worcester ... 2/1, 3.15, £458.36

Comments: Still very frustrating and disappointing ... :'(

The Saint did ok, though! ... Star Berry: sorry about this one - it looked like being between 7.0 and 8.0 this morning, which did seem almost too good to be true. The next time I looked, it was

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27.0! ... Today's takings were £3309.29 (and that's £3483.47 less 5% commission), but four dreadful losers (winners) cost £4372.68, which leaves a loss today of £1063.39 ... and that's -2.4% today ... :-\ So the bank is now £43182.41 and of course tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

I'm really sorry it all seems to be such hard going, this month ... :-[ :P :

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: (£1063.39) Tomorrow's bank: £43182.41 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: (-2.4%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.98% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1339.41%

Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 17 selections = 76.47% July strike-rate: 244 wins from 283 selections = 86.22% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2944 wins from 3444 selections = 85.48%

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19-07-2006, 08:52 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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You shouldn't feel the need to apologise if you have a losing day or two. As you have stated all along, this is a long term thing, and despite (I quote) " Not

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being a get rich quick scheme", you have made a lot of folk who follow this considerable better off (both financially and also as long term sports 'investors' (sounds better than gamblers) by sharing your disciplined staking advice). We are of course all hopeful that come the end of August, if you do decide to halt this thread (and I'm sure I speak for many, if not all, by adding I hope you don't), you will start a new "Maria's get rich quick" thread on a similar basis, but with even better results (if that is possible). ;D If Mabbs isn't bringing enough revenue in to support the (fantastic) site, then he needs to look at introducing some sort of pay per click facility (even if a penny a click) to view some of the cracking threads folk put up here - this one, Pete's trial bets, Iriemons, the list goes on. I'm sure folks wouldn't mind passing back a share of their winnings (even if just a token amount) to support the behind the scenes efforts in running the site, and also show their appreciation for info that some 10 years ago before the internet started to take off, was completely out of the public domain. Alternatively is there a donations facility? Paypal, Neteller, etc Keep 'em coming and buy yourself a nice pair of comedy furry carpet slippers - you know you want to!

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Hi Maria You did tell us, expect 4 and hope for 0, new day tomorrow, it will all turn round, I've got a few fags left, and half a bottle of oxygen!! so I'm ready for them!!! good luck one and all slip-shod #1482

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Hello Maria, Just to say well done even with the hiccups now and again.To put things in perspective,think how much your original bank would be worth if you had just left it in a savings account,(or maybe not, too scary).You have probably seen "The Daily Donkey",they don't win every day and they have been going for two and half years,so don't feel so bad when you have a bad day.I take my hat off to anyone who can work out a system that works well, as this one has.I have only recently come across this site so have not been along for the ride so to speak, more the pity but that's life.If you do cease in August I hope the people that have followed you will be grateful for a great year and take your "retirement" with good heart. #1483

20-07-2006, 11:57 AM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi guys and especially maria, i'm very new here, follow your topic and bet now your laying tips for a cupple of days. your work is very commendable, maria. i noticed that you have often lower quotes than me. when do you normally set your bets to get the best quotes?

Best wishes and in hope that u will continue your great work after august06 windtalker #1484

20-07-2006, 12:40 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Windtalker, and welcome to EBA ... Quote:

Originally Posted by windtalker when do you normally set your bets to get the best quotes? The short answer won't be very helpful, I'm afraid ... :-[ If I think they're going to shorten (like some of today's might), I try to wait sometimes even until the last minute; if I think they're going to drift (and I think that with more than half of them, often three-quarters of them) I lay to early prices which are sometimes therefore no longer available after I've posted them. It's probably usually impossible overall to match my prices. A good comparison, though, if you're going to follow the staking too, is to compare the percentage figure with mine at the end of the day. The difference between yours and mine will vary a lot from day to day, though, and you need to measure it over a long period and work out the average. I was discussing this very point with a few people yesterday and the day before, and the views I've heard are almost universally that it's very difficult to be on average within 1% of my daily result for bank profit/loss, measured as a daily average over the weeks and months, but not too difficult to be within 1.5% ...

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The longer answer would fill the page, but if you can be bothered to read through bits of the 100 pages of the thread some time when you have insomnia, there are a lot of comments and discussions thrown in on this very point you're asking about ... 8)

Today's selections coming up in a minute ... __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1485

20-07-2006, 12:45 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Sixty-Ninth Day ... (4-day) ... Rightly or wrongly, I'm laying these ... Diamond Shower 2.10 Leicester ... Lemon Silk 2.20 Hamilton ... Diktatit 2.30 Cartmel ... So Cloudy 2.30 Cartmel ... Bowl Em Over 2.40 Leicester ... Present Oriented 3.00 Cartmel ... Be The Tops 3.35 Cartmel ... Miss Royello 3.35 Cartmel ... Catch The Perk 3.35 Cartmel ... Leopold 4.10 Cartmel ... Limonia 4.30 Hamilton ... Alambic 5.00 Hamilton ... Cree 5.25 Leicester ... The Pen 5.35 Hamilton ...

More later for Epsom and Wobblyhampton ... Good luck, especially with today's dodgy dangerous shorties!! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix MY BLOG #1486

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Thursday evening lays ... continuation with patience and discipline ... : Our Herbie 6.15 Epsom ... Sir Loin 6.35 Wolverhampton ... Underscore 6.45 Epsom ... Border Artist 6.45 Epsom ... Ned Ludd 7.15 Epsom ... Juan Bol 7.35 Wolverhampton ... Croon 7.50 Epsom ... Madhavi 7.50 Epsom ... Miss McGuire 8.20 Epsom ...

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Mister Benedictine 8.20 Epsom ... Bowness 8.35 Wolverhampton ... Snow Symphony 8.50 Epsom ... Secret Liaison 9.05 Wolverhampton ... Samuel Charles 9.05 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: day 269 ...

Diamond Shower 2.10 Leicester ... 11/10, 2.4, £458.36 Lemon Silk 2.20 Hamilton ... 9/2, 4.6, £275.01 Diktatit 2.30 Cartmel ... 8.4, £183.34 So Cloudy 2.30 Cartmel ... 11/2, 6.0, £275.01 Bowl Em Over 2.40 Leicester ... 11/2, 6.0, £275.01 Present Oriented 3.00 Cartmel ... 12/1!, 9.8, £183.34 Be The Tops 3.35 Cartmel ... 9/2, 6.2, £275.01 Miss Royello 3.35 Cartmel ... 7/1, 9.4, £183.34 Catch The Perk 3.35 Cartmel ... 13/2, 7.4, £275.01 Leopold 4.10 Cartmel ... 9/1, 10.0 (ave), £183.34 Limonia 4.30 Hamilton ... 7/1, 8.0, £275.01 Alambic 5.00 Hamilton ... 4/11, 1.42, £438.36

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Cree 5.25 Leicester ... 8/1, 10.0, £183.34 The Pen 5.35 Hamilton ... 5/1, 5.9, £275.01 Our Herbie 6.15 Epsom ... 9/1, 10.0, £183 34 Sir Loin 6.35 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.6, £275.01 Underscore 6.45 Epsom ... 15/2, 9.2, £183.34 Border Artist 6.45 Epsom ... 4/1, 5.2, £275.01 Ned Ludd 7.15 Epsom ... 5/1, 6.0, £275.01 Juan Bol 7.35 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.0, £183.34 Croon 7.50 Epsom ... 3/1, 4.3, £275.01 Madhavi 7.50 Epsom ... 4/1, 5.0, £275.01 Miss McGuire 8.20 Epsom ... 4/1, 5.9, £275.01 Mister Benedictine 8.20 Epsom ... 5/1, 7.4/, £275.01 Bowness 8.35 Wolverhampton ... 13/2 op 11/2, 6.4, £275.01 Snow Symphony 8.50 Epsom ... 12/1, 9.4, £183.34 Secret Liaison 9.05 Wolverhampton ...11/4, 4.0, £275.01 Samuel Charles 9.05 Wolverhampton ...7/1, 5.1, £275.01

Comments: Well, I think we've certainly established that it's a pretty bad run: at the moment it seems that there are simply too many bad days and not enough good days. The last really long patch I had like this, when I remember thinking exactly the same thing, was in April/May of last year. It can happen at any time of the year, I'm sure. I'm sorry to sound like a defective CD, but patience and discipline honestly are the only way through these ... the staking plan will protect us as much as it can and - just as importantly - ensure that when things turn round, we won't miss the boat in getting back on track (do boats run on tracks?) ... in short: nothing statistically unpredictable has happened and it's important not to become dispirited by the current run ... I hope and think that all the people who have recently been asking me why I don't set up "Maria's Laying System" as a tipping service after August and have paying customers are beginning to appreciate part of the answer now: if it works well, you don't need paying customers to make a living and if it doesn't, who would want to have to handle the complaints?! ... Unfortunately for me, I laid a lot of the losers at better prices than the winners today

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(funny how nobody ever comments on that!)... Be The Tops: Lambe and Mocharamor thought they'd won this race, and so did I (and they should have) ... Alambic: given the horrors of today's results, this comment will perhaps seem inappropriately timed, but I had decided much earlier in the day to offer it either way, regardless of the result ... chart-watchers will rarely if ever find a better example of the "double bottom" than the one seen at 1.40/1.41 for our friend Alambic: as soon as it traded above that, the second time, it was time to be matched immediately, even at the cost of taking someone else's price rather than "awaiting the next down-tick" ... Secret Liaison: I was surprised at all the friends this one had in the market: it dropped steadily from 9.0 all the way to 3.75 (I took 4.0 on the way back up, and was pleased with that, not that it turned out to be relevant at all, of course - I could have laid to 7.4 for the same return)and ended up joint-favourite at 11/4! ... Today's takings were £4702.67 (and that's £4950.18 less 5% commission), but all the revolting losers (winners) cost £7342.78, which leaves a loss today of £2640.11 ... and that's -6.11% today ... So the bank is now £40542.30 and of course tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: (£2640.11) Tomorrow's bank: £40542.30 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: (-6.11%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.01% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1251.41%

Today's strike-rate: 21 wins from 28 selections = 75% July strike-rate: 265 wins from 311 selections = 85.21% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2965 wins from 3472 selections = 85.4%

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20-07-2006, 08:59 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria Looking through your history, I see you've had a lot more winning runs than loosing runs so over all everything is ok. I know I shouldn't do it, but by picking and choosing one or two runners, I managed to make a small profit. I have mentioned, I think in this thread, and others, that if you look at the graph you can get an idea of what going on, I know you know far more about it than me, but I did manage to back one of the winners, more luck than judgment I think, as I'm off with a broken hip, I can't do much so I watch every race on BF. Anyway, on wards and up wards. good luck on and all slip-shod #1489

21-07-2006, 09:53 AM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maria chart-watchers will rarely if ever find a better example of the "double bottom" than the one seen at 1.40/1.41 for our friend Alambic: as soon as it traded above that, the second time, it was time to be matched immediately, even at the cost of taking someone else's price rather than "awaiting the next down-tick" Maria - do you just use the betfair graphs when making these observations or are you using one of the trading platforms like BetAngel for graphs? I've a small knowledge of technical trading (on commodities) and have always believed the same emotional and technical support points etc would apply, albeit in much faster real time conditions, to horseracing prices. Be interested

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21-07-2006, 10:23 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by ziggy ... and have always believed the same emotional and technical support points etc would apply, albeit in much faster real time conditions, to horseracing prices. I'm certain that they do, yes, but with some additional factors which are perhaps specific to the anomalies of Betfair and particularly the way that bookies use it. And of course the effective "trading times" are very different from those of derivatives markets and this always has some significance ... :-\ The horse-racing "market" is very much easier for people to fix to some extent than other much bigger markets are, I'm sure, especially with the "smaller" races ... My initial reading on this subject, and the ways the emotional and technical support and resistance points give indications, came from reading the Alexander Elder books (a psychiatrist originally from Saint Petersburg, now in America, who has made brilliant studies of the detailed ways in which human behaviour is displayed in financial markets), and I'm always enthusiastic about trying to spot the similarities. (My father used to be a derivatives and currencies trader, which is doubtless where these influences came from!) ... 8) But to answer your question, at the moment I use the ordinary Betfair charts and hate them, and would prefer something much bigger, clearer and more adjustable to suit my purposes. (I have Bet-IE, not BetAngel). The table of "money waiting" (just like a "Level-2 stock screen" for commodities trading, I think?) can also be instructive, and I've certainly found the techniques described in Nigel Paul's Betfair book more useful and reliable for predicting what will drift and what will shorten than I was expecting when I first read it, too ... which is perhaps not surprising (she says with hindsight!) because it's all technical analysis, after all, even if it's in a table and not a graph ... A passing thought of perhaps no relevance: I would like to see Betfair having some better "opposition" than they have at the moment, I think that more competition in this exchange world would be a good thing for us small punters; but on the other hand, having nearly all the money in one place makes it in one way more easily seen and analysed. My own guess is that exchange trading is going to expand exponentially, we have seen only the beginning; interesting times and interesting opportunities lie ahead, perhaps! ... ??? ;D

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Your doing a great job Maria, to turn £3k into over £40k is something to be admired. It's funny how short term losses cloud our emotions, keep up your great work. __________________ If you know your past!! You can take a glimpse into your future

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Thanks, guys ... in a way it's worse for me because of the size of my stakes now and the size of the potential losses each day, but in another way it's also much better and easier and less stressful for me because I've had nearly 2 years of it now, so I know from my own experience that there are these bad runs and then further profits, whereas for people joining in recently of course it probably doesn't feel the same way at all! ...

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The Two-Hundred-And-Seventieth Day ... (5-day) ... I'm laying these ... Nadawat 2.00 Newbury ...

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Moheebb 2.30 Newbury ... Glacial Gillette 2.55 Southwell ... Ballynure 2.55 Southwell ... Jill Dawson 3.15 Carlisle ... Rightontime 4.00 Southwell ... Star of Canterbury 4.10 Newbury ... Champain Sands 4.25 Carlisle ... Cherished Number 4.35 Southwell ... Smilingvalentine 5.10 Southwell ... Aisjem 5.10 Southwell ... Parkside Pursuit 5.35 Carlisle ...

More later (Kilbeggan and stuff, you know ... :

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And here they are for Kilbeggan and stuff ... actually more "stuff", now I think about it ... ??? Paradise Expected 5.45 Newmarket ... Light Shift 6.15 Newmarket Riodan 7.05 Pontefract ... Celtic Mill 7.20 Newmarket ... Noble Gent 7.50 Newmarket ... Border News 8.20 Newmarket ... Missed A Beat 8.50 Newmarket ... Blue Maeve 9.05 Pontefract ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

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Results Update: day 270 ...

Nadawat 2.00 Newbury ... 7/2, 5.4, £275.01 Moheebb 2.30 Newbury ... 9/1, 9.2, £183.34 Glacial Gillette 2.55 Southwell ... 4/1, 6.2, £275.01 Ballynure 2.55 Southwell ... 6/1, 8.0,£183.34 Jill Dawson 3.15 Carlisle ... 7/1, 8.2, £183.34 Rightontime 4.00 Southwell ... 5/2, 4.7, £275.01 Star of Canterbury 4.10 Newbury ... 9/2, 4.3. £275.01 Champain Sands 4.25 Carlisle ... 9/2, 5.7, £275.01 Cherished Number 4.35 Southwell ... 5/1, 7.0, £275.01 Smilingvalentine 5.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 8.4, £183.34 Aisjem 5.10 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.0, £275.01 Parkside Pursuit 5.25 Carlisle ... 13/2 op 5/1, 6.8, £275.01 Paradise Expected 5.45 Newmarket ... 8/1, 8.2, £183.34 Light Shift 6.15 Newmarket ... 7/4, 2.78, £458.36 Riodan 7.05 Pontefract ... non-runner ... Celtic Mill 7.20 Newmarket ... 7.0, £275.01 Noble Gent 7.50 Newmarket ... 10/11, 1.84, £458.36 Border News 8.20 Newmarket ... 3/1, 4.2, £275.01 Missed A Beat 8.50 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £275.01

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Blue Maeve 9.05 Pontefract ... 7/2, 5.2, £275.01

Comments: Should have stopped at about 8.00 today! ... Champain Sands: I paid a few pounds, I suppose, for getting this at a good price, well under the cut-off ... 7.6 would have saved me nearly £100, but with this staking system I think I've only ever laid one horse out of the last 3000+ at 7.6 - I know of one person who laid this at 8.2 today, perfectly reasonably I'm sure, which is of course about the same as financially as 5.7 in this system ... Light Shift: nearly £30,000 traded at 2.78 or below before the off, but patience is needed for these ... Missed A Beat: only about £2000 traded at my 7.4 ... no complaints about this one ... Border News: we were robbed when Alhaitham's saddle slipped. Terribly unlucky, obviously, but these things happen ... Blue Maeve: very disappointing end to the day. I didn't do the best here ... left 5.2 unmatched much too early and had it matched too quickly only to see £10,000 traded lower ... you might think that by now I would have learned that if it's been shortening for 6 hours, there's no hurry! ... paid for this mistake ... Today's takings were £4093.08 (and that's £4308.51 less 5% commission), but three losers (winners) cost £3300.12, which leaves a profit today of only £792.96 ... and that's +1.95% today, which doesn't go very far but I suppose it's in the right direction ... So the bank is now £41335.26 and of course tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £792.96 Tomorrow's bank: £41335.26 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.95% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.11% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1277.84%

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Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 19 selections = 84.2% July strike-rate: 281 wins from 330 selections = 85.15% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 2981 wins from 3491 selections = 85.39%

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Great stuff, 3 winners and still a very good profit!! good luck one and all slip-shod #1496

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Making full use of a lady's perogative to keep the gentlemen waiting, eh Maria? ;D __________________ Saint #1497

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Ooops - sorry, Saint ... a busy Saturday's always tricky and time-consuming ... competitive racing, higher prices, and as you can see there's almost nothing left to lay ... The Two-Hundred-And-Seventy-Oneth Day (6-day) ...

I'm laying these stinkers fine upstanding specimens of horsehood ... : Wee Dinns 2.05 Market Rasen ... Lawyer to World 2.10 Newmarket ... Eastern Playboy 2.50 Ripon ... Ace of Hearts 3.00 Newbury ... Harrycat 3.10 Market Rasen ... Rubenstar 3.15 Newmarket ... Vicious Warrior 3.20 Ripon ... Satulagi 3.30 Newbury ... Sleeping Storm 3.50 Newmarket ... Striving Storm 4.00 Newbury ... Orpen Wide 4.15 Market Rasen ... Malelane 4.30 Ripon ... Tam Lin 4.35 Newbury ... Khyber Kim 4.35 Newbury ... Mulaqat 4.35 Newbury ... Haatmey 4.66 Newmarket ... Lady's Law 5.05 Ripon ... Coup D'Etat 5.10 Newbury ... Blue Bajan 5.10 Newbury ... Gone Too Far 5.20 Market Rasen ... Swallow Magic 5.20 Market Rasen ... Pic Up Sticks 5.30 Newmarket ... Azygous 5.30 Newmarket ... And a few more more for Haydock and Lingfield later ... good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1498

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Haatmey 4.66 Newmarket ??? Hi Maria, love the typo : Paul #1499

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Originally Posted by Paul Haatmey 4.66 Newmarket ??? ... love the typo Well, you know what they say: anyone can lay a horse in the 4.55 but only a blonde with fingernails and a dodgy foreign keyboard can lay one in the 4.66 ...

Evening laying selections ... Baileys Hilight 6.40 Haydock ... Hucking Hill 6.50 Lingfield ... Gavioli 7.20 Lingfield ... Bathwick Finesse 7.50 Lingfield ... Let It Be 8.10 Haydock ... Medfae 8.20 Lingfield ... Pitbull 9.10 Haydock ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

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Results Update: day 271 ...

Wee Dinns 2.05 Market Rasen ... 7/1, 6.6, £275.01 Lawyer to World 2.10 Newmarket ... 8/1, 9.0, £183.34 Eastern Playboy 2.50 Ripon ... 16/1 op 12/1, 12.0, £183.34 results ... Ace of Hearts 3.00 Newbury ... 5/1, 5.8, £275.01 Harrycat 3.10 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 6.6, £275.01 Rubenstar 3.15 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.2, £183.34 Vicious Warrior 3.20 Ripon ... 8/1, 10.0. £183.34 Satulagi 3.30 Newbury ... 10/1 op 15/2, 9.2, £183.34 Sleeping Storm 3.50 Newmarket ... 6/1, 7.4, £275.01 Striving Storm 4.00 Newbury ... 12/1!! op 6/1, 5.8. £275.01 Orpen Wide 4.15 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 11.0, £183.34 Malelane 4.30 Ripon ... 12/1, 10.5 (ave), £183.34 Tam Lin 4.35 Newbury ... 5/2!, 3.65, £275.01 Khyber Kim 4.35 Newbury ... 5/2!, 4.5, £275.01 Mulaqat 4.35 Newbury ... 7/1, 7.0, £275.01 Haatmey 4.55 Newmarket ... 8/1, 8.0, £183.34 Lady's Law 5.05 Ripon ... 14/1 op 10/1 t 8/1, 11.0, £183.34 Coup D'Etat 5.10 Newbury ... non-runner ... Blue Bajan 5.10 Newbury ... non-runner ...

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Gone Too Far 5.20 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 4.7, £275.01 Swallow Magic 5.20 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 7.4, £275.01 Pic Up Sticks 5.30 Newmarket ... 4/1, 5.8, £275.01 Azygous 5.30 Newmarket ... 9/1 op 8/1, 9.2, £183.34 Baileys Hilight 6.40 Haydock ... 7/1, 7.2, £275.01 Hucking Hill 6.50 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.0, £275.01 Gavioli 7.20 Lingfield ... 11/1, 10.5, £183.34 Bathwick Finesse 7.50 Lingfield ... 10/1 op 9/1, 11.0, £183.34 Let It Be 8.10 Haydock ... 9/2, 6.0, £275.01 Medfae 8.20 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.2, £275.01 Pitbull 9.10 Haydock ... 5/1, 6.2, £275.01

Comments: Eastern Playboy: I was matched at 12.0, so I've left it out of the results. I think almost nothing traded at/below 11.0 ... Tam Lin: a bit messed about in this race by Kandidate's withdrawal, but I had laid this before that happened and I won't trade out of them at a loss, so the result stands (with reduction factor, obviously) ... Lady's Law: I suspect from the amounts traded that not many people were matched on this one for some reason, but all you have to do is leave 11.0 unmatched (and actually it went lower during the betting) ... Medfae: I didn't much like all the money for this one, I must admit; and unluckily ended up being matched at virtually my most expensive possible point (anyone laying earlier, on the way down, at 8.0 or 9.0, saved some money this time!) ... Pitbull: they don't come any easier than this one: can I make a meal out of explaining it without offending anyone? The graph was almost a straight sloping line for 6 hours before the race ... all you need is patience ... when it's shortening and shortening and shortening and shortening, and the race starts at 9.10, you take your match at 9.09 (and if you did that, you got 6.2) ... Today's takings were £5312.27 (and that's £5591.87 less 5% commission), but three losers (winners) cost £3753.89, which leaves a profit today of £1558.38 ... and that's +3.77% today ... so the bank is now £42893.64 and of course tomorrow's stakes are

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still unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £1558.38 Tomorrow's bank: £42893.64 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.77% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.22% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1329.79% Today's strike-rate: 25 wins from 28 selections = 89.29% July strike-rate: 306 wins from 358 selections = 85.47% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3006 wins from 3519 selections = 85.42%

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22-07-2006, 09:55 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria Another cracking day, 3 winners, but still massive profits, you really are the business, I take your point about Pitbull,but it was trying!!! I will say no more on the subject!! good luck one and all slip-shod #1502

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Great day today, winners as 5/2, 4/1 and 6/1 from 28 lays that ran, you would like this every day, I think? But very hard work, races too close together on Saturdays! Today I actually did a little better than you, layed Medfae a bit higher exactly as you describe and it saved me a little, almost +4% on the bank here, thank you very much! (I think I saw your money go on Pitbull also, you have stronger nerves than me, I went to only 6.6 but it isn't relevant!) #1503

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Hi Maria, Well done again ;D, question,are you trying to lay at RP forecast starting prices or to what you consider to be a value price as you have a very good understanding of the markets. Paul. #1504 23-07-2006, 09:28 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Paul, Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

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are you trying to lay at RP forecast starting prices or to what you consider to be a value price It's probably not a very helpful answer, I'm afraid, but I just try to lay each one at the lowest price I can (and by no means always successfully, as you see!) ... but I try not to take it personally or get upset if (as often happens) thousands of pounds are traded at prices lower than I've managed, because to some extent this staking system "cushions" me against the worst accidents anyway ... :-\ I do actually look at Racing Post forecast prices, but for other systems and therefore not usually specifically for the horses mentioned in this thread at all ... But if I do notice that the RP have forecast something at a much shorter price than it appears to be trading at, I'll "read around" online and try to work out why, if I can't understand it, and - in case they turn out to be right - usually won't err (as I often do) on the side of getting matched early in the expectation that these selections drift more often than shorten ... The "work done", to prepare the laying selections, put the lays on, analyse the daily laying results and so on is usually about 80% of the total stuff I do every day: all my little backing systems and stuff are completely trivial with the labour involved in this one ... but the same is true of what I make out of it, so I shouldn't complain ... I think it's sort of "the 80/20 rule" in operation: 20% of my systems produce 80% of the takings, or something like that ... : I have one other "big project" which I've gradually been working on - it's a sort of dutching system - and I was hoping to have it all sorted out by the end of July, but this laying system has made me so busy for the last 2 months that I've had almost no time to work on it, and I've reluctantly realised that that just isn't going to happen ... I had somehow managed to overlook the increased quantity of racing in the summer! ... :-[ __________________ maria santonix My blog #1505

23-07-2006, 12:26 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hello Maria,thanks for reply,I have something you may be interested in as you have an interest in all types of betting.This came from another board and is so silly but so far appears to work.I won't post it here unless you ok it,or tell me where to post. Good luck with todays lays. Paul. #1506

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Thanks, Paul ... I will send you a private message in a few minutes about the thing from another forum ... 8)

The Two-Hundred-And-Seventy-Twoth Day (7-day) ... Sorry to be so late today: I got up a little later than usual expecting it to be a quiet day but found that my laying system got busy and I'm backing quite a few too ... :-\ Anyway, I am laying these ... Camerons Future 2.00 Newton Abbot ... Oyster Pearl 2.00 Newton Abbot ... Karma Llama 2.20 Redcar ... Gone Missing 2.30 Newton Abbot ... First Thought 2.30 Newton Abbot ... Hotham 2.50 Redcar ... Baloo 3.00 Newton Abbot ... Apache Nation 3.20 Redcar ... Grey Brother 3.30 Newton Abbot ... Westmeath Flyer 3.40 Stratford ... Misty Future 3.40 Stratford ... Blazing Heights 3.50 Redcar ... Alrafid 4.00 Newton Abbot ... Esters Boy 4.10 Stratford ... Apache Point 4.20 Redcar ... Curved Air 4.30 Newton Abbot ... True Dove 4.30 Newton Abbot ... Rust En Vrede 4.40 Stratford ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix

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23-07-2006, 12:50 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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I might as well throw my placepot ticket away at Newton Abbot today as you have blown away 2 of my selections. If they can't win it onlt leaves me 1 or 2 places to squeeze in to. I have backed True Dove to win as well! I hope all your's lose today. (or should that be win? I don't know with this laying business.) ??? What I mean is I hope they don't come 1st and you make another big profit. __________________ Betting always has hot and cold spells. Make sure you profit when it is hot. #1508

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swebby I might as well throw my placepot ticket away at Newton Abbot today

Eeewwww ... this is probably bad news for my lays, not your placepot!! ...

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We should co-ordinate our efforts more, that is to say, I should ask you each day which of mine are not safe to lay! ... I hope that they all come second so you win the placepot and I don't have a disaster

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... :-\ Newton Abbot must be one of your local courses, I think, Swebby? Do you go there? ... ??? __________________ maria santonix My blog #1509

23-07-2006, 01:44 PM Join Date: Jun 2006

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The Jockey on Lurid Affair wants shooting! > Gone Missing stayed on well but the Jockey on Lurid Affair was absoluteley terrible. She looked like she didn't know what she was doing - was absorbing all the horses energy ??? #1510

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Originally Posted by Walls The Jockey on Lurid Affair wants shooting! >

Well, a 7-pound claimer riding her mother's horse, you know ... you get what you find

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Results Update: day 272 ...

Camerons Future 2.00 Newton Abbot ... 10/1 op 8/1, 10.0, £183.34 Oyster Pearl 2.00 Newton Abbot ... 9/1, 10.0, £183.34 Karma Llama 2.20 Redcar ... 8/1, 7.1 (ave), £275.01 Gone Missing 2.30 Newton Abbot ... 9/2, 5.8, £275.01 First Thought 2.30 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 8.8, £183.34 Hotham 2.50 Redcar ... 11/2, 6.6, £275.01 Baloo 3.00 Newton Abbot ... 7/2, 4.0, £275.01 Apache Nation 3.20 Redcar ... 13/2, 6.0, £275.01 Grey Brother 3.30 Newton Abbot ... 2/1, 3.3, £458.36 Westmeath Flyer 3.40 Stratford ... 8/1, 8.4, £183.34 Misty Future 3.40 Stratford ... 9/1, 9.4, £183.34 Blazing Heights 3.50 Redcar ... 7/1, 8.6, £183.34 Alrafid 4.00 Newton Abbot ... 9/4, 3.1, £458.36

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Esters Boy 4.10 Stratford ... 10/1 op 9/1, 11.0, £183.34 Apache Point 4.20 Redcar ... 8/1, 9.4, £183.34 Curved Air 4.30 Newton Abbot ... 8/1, 9.8, £183.34 True Dove 4.30 Newton Abbot ... 9/1, 11.0, £183.34 Rust En Vrede 4.40 Stratford ... 13/2, 8.0, £183.34

Comments: I don't know why, now, but I actually expected a good day, today ... and ended up with this frustrating and unpleasant mess losing a four-figure amount instead ... Baloo: I made a mess of this one. I got a little bit on under the 3.5 cut-off and wrongly anticipated getting the rest matched there. When this turned out to be wishful thinking, I took a bit more at higher price, having waited too long, and averaged out taking £280 at 3.96 or something, I have rounded it down (up) a bit above (below!) ... Apache Point: I got slightly second-best price here (9.0 was easy, she says with hindsight!), but this was one of my worst races for a long time: I also had a dutch of three other horses to win it ... True Dove: very unpleasant indeed, sorry. I absolutely hated it when Swebby said above that he had a win bet on it ... Rust En Vrede: a tricky one because it kept looking for hours like 7.4 would be possible; I could hardly believe how it kept dipping exactly to 7.8/7.6 and then turning back, all the time that I was sitting there unmatched at 7.4! ... in the end I was pleased to take £185 at 8.0 ... Today's takings were £3570.56 (and that's £3758.49 less 5% commission), but three losers (winners) cost £4803.50, which leaves a big hole of £1232.94 ... and that's 2.78% today ... and there went most of yesterday's takings ... The bank is now £41660.70 and of course tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged and will be until this time next year, at this rate ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: (£1232.94) Tomorrow's bank: £41660.70 Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34

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Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.78%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.97% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1288.69% Today's strike-rate: 15 wins from 18 selections = 83.33% July strike-rate: 321 wins from 376 selections = 85.37% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3021 wins from 3537 selections = 85.41%

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23-07-2006, 07:21 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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If it's any consolation I had similar feelings for a successful Sunday, only to find 3 of my first 6 lays won. I then clawed my way back to profitability only to watch it disappear with my last lay Rose Bien. ... and of course the Tiger won the Open, but luckily the stakes weren't too large there. There's always tomorrow, and since following this thread my betfair balance gets healthier and healthier. 8) __________________ Saint #1513

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That last bit is very good to hear, anyway; thank you. I can't help feeling a bit ashamed that a 9/1 winner here was advised as a win bet by Swebby ... but what can I do? A system selection is a system selection once I've posted it, and I did actually stupidly lay it myself ... :-\

As you say, there's always tomorrow ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1514

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Sorry Maria, your lays are normally a lot stronger than my win tips. Your laying must have been the reason the starting price was so big. The placepot went down in the 2nd race. Newton Abbot is my nearest course. I go there as often as time will allow but that is nowhere near as much as I would like. __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #1515

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Ye Olde Two-Hundredde-And-Seventy-Thirde Day (1-day) ... I'm laying these ... Cookies Quiff 2.30 Yarmouth ... Astroangel 2.30 Yarmouth ... Strawberry Patch 2.45 Ayr ... Bond Becks 2.45 Ayr ... Bobbish 3.00 Yarmouth ... Sunstroke 3.35 Yarmouth ... Silver Dane 4.05 Yarmouth ... Regal Connection 4.25 Ayr ... Lady Georgette 4.40 Yarmouth ... Moonlight Fantasy 4.55 Ayr ... Second Reef 5.25 Ayr ... More later for Windsor and Beverley ... 8) Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1516

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Monday evening laying selections ... Lilac Star 6.20 Windsor ... Ishibee 6.30 Beverley ... Birdie Birdie 6.30 Beverley ... Beckett Hall 6.50 Windsor ... Florimund 6.50 Windsor ... Bold Argument 7.20 Windsor ... Matuza 7.20 Windsor ... Bond Diamond 7.30 Beverley ... Miss Jenny 7.50 Windsor ... Hunting Haze 8.00 Beverley ... Bolckow 8.00 Beverley ... Tetragon 8.20 Windsor ... Arabian Moon 8.20 Windsor ... Virginia Rose 8.30 Beverley ...

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Results Update: day 273 ...

Cookies Quiff 2.30 Yarmouth ... 9/1, 7.4, £275.01 Astroangel 2.30 Yarmouth ... 9/2, 5.7, £275.01 Strawberry Patch 2.45 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.2, £275.01 Bond Becks 2.45 Ayr ... 13/2, 8.0, £183.34 Bobbish 3.00 Yarmouth ... 10/3, 5.2, £275.01 Sunstroke 3.35 Yarmouth ... 4/1, 5.0, £275.01 Silver Dane 4.05 Yarmouth ... 5/1, 5.7, £275.01 Regal Connection 4.25 Ayr ... 7/1, 6.4, £275.01 Lady Georgette 4.40 Yarmouth ... 14/1!!, 10.5, £183.34 Moonlight Fantasy 4.55 Ayr ... 7/1, 9.5 (ave), £183.34 Second Reef 5.25 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £275.01 Lilac Star 6.20 Windsor ... 6/1, 6.8, £275.01 Ishibee 6.30 Beverley ... 13/2, 8.4, £183.34 Birdie Birdie 6.30 Beverley ... 13/2, 9.0, £183.34 Beckett Hall 6.50 Windsor ... 13/2, 7.4, £275.01

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Florimund 6.50 Windsor ... 10/1, 9.1 (ave), £183.34 Bold Argument 7.20 Windsor ... 15/2, 7.2, £275.01 Matuza 7.20 Windsor ... 3/1, 5.2, £275.01 Bond Diamond 7.30 Beverley ... 15/2, 9.2, £183.34 Miss Jenny 7.50 Windsor ... non-runner ... Hunting Haze 8.00 Beverley ... 9/2, 6.2, £275.01 Bolckow 8.00 Beverley ... 11/1, 11.0, £183.34 Tetragon 8.20 Windsor ... 10/1, 9.3 (ave), £183.34 Arabian Moon 8.20 Windsor ... 10/1, 10.7 (ave), £183.34 results ...

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Virginia Rose 8.30 Beverley ... 7/1, 8.0, £183.34

Comments: Please excuse me if the specific comments are a little brief for the next three days. I'm using a temporary computer/internet system and it's all a bit of a chore ...

2.45 race: bad enough, but could have been slightly worse, I suppose ... 6.30 race: possibly I laid to two bad prices here, I don't really know: a slight connection problem and I wanted to ensure not missing them ... Arabian Moon: I got a bit on this morning at 9.3 and some more this evening at 12.0; after that I wasn't watching. SP was 10/1 but I don't know if it opened higher or lower, so I'll just err on the side of not including it in case 11.0 wasn't matched ... Today's takings were £4702.67 (£4950.18 less 5% commission); two winners (losers) cost £2575.93, which leaves a net profit today of £2126.74 (5.1%) ... The bank is now £43787.44 and although tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged, I'm actually beginning to think that maybe, just maybe, if we stay very lucky here, The Saint will be allowing me to wear shoes again before the end of the month ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £2126.74 Tomorrow's bank: £43787.44

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Tomorrow's stakes: £458.36, £275.01 and £183.34 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.1% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.58% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1359.58% Today's strike-rate: 22 wins from 24 selections = 91.67% July strike-rate: 343 wins from 400 selections = 85.75% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3043 wins from 3561 selections = 85.45% :-X __________________ maria santonix My blog #1518

24-07-2006, 09:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria Looks like back you are back on track again after yesterday, which I missed!! Around £1500 a week this month, that's serious money, well it is for me. Great stuff. good luck one and all. slip-shod #1519

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Shoes? Hmmmm, I think sandals may be OK for now, given the shoe deprivation therapy appears to be working.

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Any slip ups and it's back to the Garfield Slippers in public though!

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25-07-2006, 12:42 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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I'm wearing Garfield's slippers in public only if he wears mine (he might get arrested, though, or crippled or something ...) ... :P :

The Two-Hundred-And-Seventy-Fourth Day (2-day) ... I'm laying these ... Tartan Tie 2.15 Ayr ... Polish Welcome 2.30 Yarmouth ... Coffin Dodger 2.30 Yarmouth ... Rouge et Noir 2.45 Ayr ... Lennel 2.45 Ayr ... Flying Edge 3.20 Ayr ... Jubilee Street 3.50 Ayr ... Chalentina 4.10 Yarmouth ... Silent Storm 4.40 Yarmouth ... Highland Cascade 4.40 Yarmouth ... Favouring 4.40 Yarmouth ... Seesawmilu 4.55 Ayr ... Anthemion 5.25 Ayr ... El Rey Royale 5.25 Ayr ... And more later for Leicester and Bangor-on-Dee ... 8) Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog

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25-07-2006, 01:10 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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Maria, I'm in this for the first time today. Starting with a 6K bank - let the good times roll! Cheers Yimmy #1522

25-07-2006, 01:43 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Welcome, Yimmy, good luck!! ;D (Starting off with stakes of £24/£36/£60, then? Let's hope you've caught us as a dreadful run has finished and a better one begins!). Please excuse my not being too chatty, I am stuck with a bad computer/internet set-up until some time late on Thursday and just doing the minimum I can get away with ... >

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25-07-2006, 04:46 PM

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I think you've earned yourself a pair of shoes or two this afternoon Maria!

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25-07-2006, 04:58 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Ooh, and I was just talking about shoes ... Evening ones to lay, not many today ... Arm And A Leg 6.35 Bangor ... Snow Bunting 6.50 Leicester ... Blackies All 7.05 Bangor ... Violet's Pride 7.20 Leicester ... Jodante 7.35 Bangor ... Beaufort County 8.05 Bangor ... Soviet Legend 8.50 Leicester ...

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25-07-2006, 06:11 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hey Maria, I'm just wondering how long you intend to keep posting your lays? Also, congratz on the success so far! #1526

25-07-2006, 06:19 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Hi and thank you and welcome, Midz ... Apart from any unforeseen days off, I'll certainly be posting this thread until August 31st. After that, still undecided at the moment; sorry. I realise it's not a very helpful answer, but as soon as I've decided more, I'll say ... :-[ : __________________ maria santonix My blog #1527

25-07-2006, 08:36 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 274 ...

Tartan Tie 2.15 Ayr ... 11/2, 2.82, £458.36 Polish Welcome 2.30 Yarmouth ... 7/1, 7.2, £275.01 Coffin Dodger 2.30 Yarmouth ... 7/1, 9.2, £183.34 Rouge et Noir 2.45 Ayr ... 5/1, 5.6, £275.01 Lennel 2.45 Ayr ... 7/1, 6.8, £275.01 Flying Edge 3.20 Ayr ... 5/1, 5.0, £275.01 Jubilee Street 3.50 Ayr ... 13/2, 5.2, £275.01 Chalentina 4.10 Yarmouth ... 7/2, 5.0, £275.01 Silent Storm 4.40 Yarmouth ... 7/1, 8.0, £183.34 Highland Cascade 4.40 Yarmouth ... 7/1, 9.5 (ave), £183.34 Favouring 4.40 Yarmouth ... 9/2, 6.2, £275.01 Seesawmilu 4.55 Ayr ... 7/1, 6.6, £275.01 Anthemion 5.25 Ayr ... 6/1, 6.4, £275.01 El Rey Royale 5.25 Ayr ... 9/1, 9.6, £183.34 Arm And A Leg 6.35 Bangor ... 7/1, 6.4, £275.01 Snow Bunting 6.50 Leicester ... 6.4, £275.01 Blackies All 7.05 Bangor ... 8/1, 9.9 (ave), £183.34 Violet's Pride 7.20 Leicester ... 8/1!, 4.2, £275.01 Jodante 7.35 Bangor ... 9/2, 6.0, £275.01 Beaufort County 8.05 Bangor ... 6/1, 6.8, £275.01 Soviet Legend 8.50 Leicester ... 6/1, 10.3 (ave), £183.34

Comments: Today's takings were £4615.59 (£4585.52 less 5% commission); two winners (losers) cost £2475.09, which leaves a net profit today of £2140.50 (4.89%, not quite as good

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as yesterday but still a great relief) ... The bank is now £45927.94 and I can increase the stakes just the tiniest bit tomorrow to £459.27, £275.56 and £183.71 (and more importantly get out the serious heels again) ... ;D

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £2140.50 Tomorrow's bank: £45927.94 Tomorrow's stakes: £459.27, £275.56 and £183.71 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.89% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 21.23% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1430.93% Today's strike-rate: 19 wins from 21 selections = 90.48% July strike-rate: 362 wins from 421 selections = 85.75% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3062 wins from 3582 selections = 85.48%

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25-07-2006, 08:42 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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It seems the fear factor from seeing Johnny Vegas playing in Kieron Cunningham's testimonial game as my avatar has done the trick, and we are scaling the heights again.

Well done. Best day's laying today for me too, which considering Tuesday's are usually the crappiest and most unpredictable, bodes well!

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25-07-2006, 08:46 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint the fear factor from seeing Johnny Vegas playing in Kieron Cunningham's testimonial game as my avatar has done the trick Ah, in that case thank you, Saint ... though if you want honesty, I don't know who either of them is, it's just a "football picture" to me ... I don't "do" football ... :-[ :-[ :[

But very glad you are doing better! ...

Will help myself to another Rigas Balsams, then ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1530

25-07-2006, 08:54 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Heresey! - it's rugby, and it is the proper rugby at that - rugby league!

Johnny Vegas is a local born comedian (not to everyone's taste mind you); consequently he probably doesn't look the most suitable candidate to play the game, and before taking the risk of taking a tackle he gave the classic 'hospital pass' to the nearest player every time (and he only played the last 5 minutes!).

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25-07-2006, 09:35 PM Join Date: Jul 2004

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Well done today again Maria ;D __________________ GL whatever you punt today...... Pete #1532

25-07-2006, 09:42 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria, well done today,90%?. I wondered how long does it take you to arrive at your selections?, is a software job or the hardgraft racing paper version.Looks like you can go out in proper shoes now ;D Paul.

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25-07-2006, 10:55 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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I do know what rugby is ... just about ... it's just that in that photo because of the camera angle you can't actually see the shape of the ball ... The afternoon selections take almost the whole morning to do (but I don't exactly get up at the crack of dawn and I suppose it's a leisurely morning by "working for a living standards" and interspersed with doing a few other little things, admittedly) and the evening ones take almost the whole of the afternoon (interspersed with getting matched on some of the afternoon ones), but I quite often go out for an hour or two some time during the day as well, depending on what time(s) I want to take two or three consecutive early matches so I don't need to watch ... so it's really not a fulltime job on its own. I use information from a lot of different websites, but all the information I need is available from a combination of the internet and a lot more from my own written records, continually updated (a constant chore) without needing the printed copy of the RP ... I do spend a lot longer on them now than I used to a year ago, just because of the amounts of money involved now; I don't ever feel that I'm "playing with Betfair's money": I'm very aware that once I've made it, it's my own money and I can transfer it into the bank and access it just by clicking a button or two on the screen ... I've got three computers altogether and two different internet connections available, and I back things up properly, so I try to cater as much as I can for any adverse eventualities so that I can still run my business seriously whenever possible, but I still live in fear of computer failures and internet failures because I'm certainly not the most computer-literate person in the world! ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1534

26-07-2006, 11:28 AM

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Maria, There is very little doubt that you are just about the best. All you have to do is keep me away from your lays. I did one lay yesterday afternoon....Chalenbloodytina. I am not too expensive too buy. ;D #1535

26-07-2006, 11:32 AM Join Date: Jul 2003

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A little clue for future reference Maria. Football is played with the feet and rugby is played with the hands. The only player in football who can hold the ball is goalkeeper. So the law of averages says that if you see a person with a ball in his hand, he is probably playing rugby. __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #1536

26-07-2006, 12:00 PM Join Date: Oct 2005

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Be fair Swebby. What about a throw in? All players (exc goalkeepers) can do that!

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Where are todays lays Maria? hehe __________________ La cucaracha, la cucaracha, nah nah nah nah, nah, nah, nah!
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26-07-2006, 12:16 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Wizard, and welcome ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizard Of Wigan All you have to do is keep me away from your lays. I will send over "The Dogs Of Riga" to disconnect your internet, if you want; this will apparently keep us all out of trouble! ...

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Thank you for the sports coaching, Swebby ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by Tez8 Where are todays lays Maria? Naas, of course (and possibly Catterick, Lingfield, Worcester, Sandown and Leicester if I can't find enough at Naas) ... Apart from that, coming up in a few minutes ... sorry, I am using my second-choice computer/internet set-up for a couple of days and I'm therefore even slower than usual ... : __________________ maria santonix My blog #1538

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26-07-2006, 12:24 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Sorry to be so late but my first lay isn't until 2.40 ... 3-day (also known as The Two-Hundred-And-Seventy-Fifth Day) ... I'm laying these stinkers horses some of which I believe might possibly be beaten today (otherwise I'm leaving the continent)... Cash And Carry 2.40 Worcester ... Atlantic Viking 3.20 Catterick ... One Way Ticket 3.20 Catterick ... Potts of Magic 3.40 Worcester ... Fountain Crumble 3.40 Worcester ... Succeed 4.00 Lingfield ... Feisty 4.20 Catterick ... San Marco 4.40 Worcester ... Rancho Cucamonga 4.50 Catterick ... Betsen 4.50 Catterick ... Kibara 5.00 Lingfield ... Comical Errors 5.20 Catterick ... And more later for Leicester and Sandown ... 8) Good luck today! Especially the Wizard of Wigan! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1539

26-07-2006, 04:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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And for those willing to risk more ... :-\ Acknowledgement 6.05 Sandown ... Tom Paris 6.15 Leicester ... Macs Ransom 7.15 Leicester ... Tuscany Rose 7.15 Leicester ... Takafu 7.35 Sandown ... Instructor 7.45 Leicester ... Sky Quest 7.45 Leicester ... Quantum Leap 8.10 Sandown ... Merrymadcap 8.10 Sandown ... Night Spot 8.10 Sandown ... Balik Pearls 8.20 Leicester ... Ceredig 8.50 Leicester ...

Good luck! ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1540

26-07-2006, 09:05 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 275 ...

Cash And Carry 2.40 Worcester ... 7/2, 6.0, £275.56 Atlantic Viking 3.20 Catterick ... 11/2, 6.4, £275.56 One Way Ticket 3.20 Catterick ... 5/1, 5.1 (ave), £275.56 Potts of Magic 3.40 Worcester ... 9/2, 5.9, £275.56 Fountain Crumble 3.40 Worcester ... 6/1, 7.4. £275.56 Succeed 4.00 Lingfield ... 16/1 op 12/1, unmatched, Feisty 4.20 Catterick ... 7/1, 8.8, £183.71

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... not in results ...

San Marco 4.40 Worcester ... 4/1, 6.6, £275.56 Rancho Cucamonga 4.50 Catterick ... 4/1, 5.4, £275.56 Betsen 4.50 Catterick ... 5/1, 6.4, £275.56 Kibara 5.00 Lingfield ... 4/6, 1.66, £459.27 Comical Errors 5.20 Catterick ... 10/1, 8.1 (ave), £183.71 Acknowledgement 6.05 Sandown ... 12/1, 12.0, £183.71

... not in results ...

Tom Paris 6.15 Leicester ... 7/2, 4.8, £275.56 Macs Ransom 7.15 Leicester ...3/1, 4.3, £275.56 Tuscany Rose 7.15 Leicester ... 10/1 op 9/1, 11.0, £183.71 Takafu 7.35 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £275.56 Instructor 7.45 Leicester ... 7/1, 9.2, £183.71 Sky Quest 7.45 Leicester ... 13/2, 8.2, £183.71 Quantum Leap 8.10 Sandown ... 6/1 op 11/2, 6.8, £275.56 Merrymadcap 8.10 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £275.56 Night Spot 8.10 Sandown ... 11/2, 7.4, £275.56 Balik Pearls 8.20 Leicester ... 12/1 op 9/1, 9.0, £183.71 Ceredig 8.50 Leicester ... 9/1, 8.2, £183.71

Comments: Not a triumph (except, arguably, for the staking system!). Up on the day, but I admit I'm surprised that even after missing a match and missing another out of the figures and taking 5% off the takings, I'm actually still up on the official results. You could easily be following these and be a fraction down today, I think. Days like today make me very happy that Pete's here with his brilliant system producing 4 winners (and 2 seconds) from 6 selections for +14.5 points at SP (and an easy +18.5 points in the real world) today ... Teacher - well done today! The Dandy Fox and Misaro both fell out of my system in its closing filters, but you included them and you were right in both cases; and you laid Nero's Return which I backed, myself; and you were right; our only "shared selection" today was Macs Ransom. Well done and keep them coming ... and in case anyone wonders why, I'm commenting here not out of laziness but out of respect, because I know you don't like my smileys in your thread, though I feel they do sometimes help me to communicate my meaning in what's still a foreign language to me ...

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Succeed: was at 11.5 when I listed it earlier today, so of course I left 11.0 unmatched but I didn't get it matched, and then the next time I looked (after going out for a long leisurely lunch, admittedly) it was 25.0/27.0! I think we'd better just forget about that one ... Kibara: disappointed, but no great shock, I suppose, at 4/6, and easy enough to lay to SP anyway ... Acknowledgement: I happily laid at 12.0, easily enough, so I stopped watching it and I don't know whether it actually traded at 11.0 so I'd better leave that one out as well ... Ceredig: I couldn't get the theoretically possible 7.4 matched here, and well done to anyone who managed it ... and as it turned out very lucky that Lucksin finally condescended (at a revolting price) to win a race after seeming so unwilling to for its last 6 runs! ... Today's takings were £4188.53 (£4408.98 less 5% commission); four winners (losers) cost £4133.42, which still leaves a net profit today of £55.11 (0.12%!!) ... The bank is now £45983.05 and I can increase the stakes just the tiniest bit tomorrow (it all helps!) to £459.83, £275.89 and £183.93 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £55.11 Tomorrow's bank: £45983.05 Tomorrow's stakes: £459.83, £275.89 and £183.93

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.12% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 21.38% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1432.77% Today's strike-rate: 19 wins from 23 selections = 82.61% July strike-rate: 381 wins from 444 selections = 85.81% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3081 wins from 3605 selections = 85.46%

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26-07-2006, 09:38 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

The Saint

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£55.11 profit - ok, perhaps one shoe. Better perform for the other tomorrow! ;D Any winning day, no matter how slight, more cheery for the soul than a losing one though. __________________ Saint #1542

26-07-2006, 09:50 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Still going great guns M __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #1543

27-07-2006, 09:46 AM Join Date: Oct 2005

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Originally Posted by maria I know you don't like my smileys in your thread, though I feel they do sometimes help me to communicate my meaning in what's still a foreign language to me ... You're one of the best writers I've ever come across on an (English language) public forum and I find it amazing that English is not your first language... :P but obviously not as amazing as your lays! haha...

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27-07-2006, 11:13 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tez8 I find it amazing that English is not your first language Ooh, thank you, that's the best compliment! I know some people think my English is a bit "formal", and my accent would probably surprise you, people normally think I'm from Norway or Sweden. I went to an "international school" (English-speaking) for over 4 years, and have spent a lot of time in London since then, so it's supposed to be fluent really (Mostly I just use it as a bit of an excuse, like the "blonde" one, when I've misunderstood something or done some mistake!) ... :-\ With apologies, no lays today because I've got bad conjunctivis, not serious but incredibly irritating and can't see well, and just can't face a whole day in front of a computer screen with bad vision and such discomfort, I tried for an hour and it drove me mad and I've abandoned them for today. The combination of that and a second best internet connection (which should be back to normal by the end of today) just make it too unpleasant, sorry ... :

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Have started on antibiotic eyedrops already - nightmare putting them in but they work quickly. At least 90% chance of normal service tomorrow, I think ... __________________ maria santonix My blog #1545

27-07-2006, 11:24 AM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Do hope you are better tomorrow. So instead of having a lay on the computer - have a lay in bed today. :-* __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #1546

27-07-2006, 07:13 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

ziggy

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Hope you didn't get the shakes being away from the business - and of course that your eyes are feeling much better - didn't your mum ever tell you that screens are bad for your eyes #1547

27-07-2006, 11:28 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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I'm hoping you'll be tired of hopping on one stilhetto by tomorrow and it will distract you more than the eye irritation! If not, remember the phrase "Close your eyes and think of England!" Mentally my picture is one of you helping out us Brits, not one of legs akimbo!

: 2 stilhettos through a sunroof is fine - 1 is just plain cheap, which I'm certain you aren't!

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28-07-2006, 10:10 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Friday ... an improvement in the state of my computer, eyesight and footwear means I am more or less back to normal (just the 4 or 5 winners expected here, then). Lays coming up later ... 8) __________________ maria santonix My blog #1549

28-07-2006, 12:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggy didn't your mum ever tell you that screens are bad for your eyes She did, and she still does, but she tells patients the same thing while reading their medical notes from her own screen! ...

The Two-Hundred-And-Seventy-Sixth Day ... (5-day) ... Cet apres-midi, je suis laying these ... Mirjan 2.05 Ascot ... McEldowney 2.05 Ascot ... Stoneacre Fred 3.30 Wolverhampton ... Squaw Dance 3.50 Ascot ... Merry Moon 4.00 Wolverhampton ... Avelian 4.15 Thirsk ... Record Breaker 4.25 Ascot ... Crail 4.35 Wolverhampton ... Elusive Flash 5.00 Ascot ... Silca Chiave 5.00 Ascot ... Dazzler Mac 5.30 Thirsk ... And more later for Chepstow and Newmarket ... 8) Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix My blog #1550

28-07-2006, 04:11 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Et pour le soir ... Dark Charm 5.45 Newmarket ... Yenaled 6.20 Chepstow ... Bobbish 6.40 Newmarket ... Goose Green 6.40 Newmarket ... Oldjoesaid 6.50 Chepstow ... Dubai Builder 6.50 Chepstow ... Fullandby 7.40 Newmarket ... Ruby's Dream 7.50 Chepstow ... Pink Bay 7.50 Chepstow ... Ten Shun 8.20 Chepstow ... Titian Dancer 8.40 Newmarket ... Benandonner 8.40 Newmarket ...

Bonne chance! ...

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30-07-2006, 11:50 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Seventy-Eighth Day ... (7-day) ...

Very difficult today! ...

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I'm laying only these ... Third Set 1.40 Ascot ... Courageous Duke 2.10 Ascot ... Norton 3.15 Ascot ... South Cape 3.25 Newmarket ... Peppertree 3.50 Ascot ... Mr Wolf 4.10 Pontefract ... Trick Cyclist 5.15 Pontefract ...

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Good luck! ... 8) __________________ maria santonix #1562

30-07-2006, 12:22 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Dillon, and welcome to EBA ... 8) Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon I spent several hours digesting the full 105 pages yesterday Oooh, not many people have that sort of patience and discipline ... (though I've heard it's pretty good for insomnia!) ... you must be a professional layer ... ;D Thank you for your kind comments, and I should apologise in advance for not being able to give your questions the kind of answers they deserve ... :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon Do you have a record of your average odds? For what's in this thread, no, I'm afraid not. It would of course be a terribly weighted average anyway, but the simple answer is that I don't. Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon I'd be interested to understand the extent to which your profit is attributable to the inherent edge in your selections, and the extent to which the staking method makes a difference. All I can tell you with certainty is that quite a bit of it is "inherent edge". Just as with backing systems, a staking plan doesn't in the long run produce safe profits if they aren't there at level stakes. Millions of people would like to believe otherwise, of course, but that doesn't make it true ... I completely share your view of laying to fixed liability ... 8) I suppose I should also mention though, having said that, that for anyone starting off

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laying with a smallish bank (although I started with only £1000 myself, to be honest), laying to fixed liability is probably the safest thing to do ... :P Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon If one works on the assumption that edge applies equally across the price range, is there a (mathematical) advantage to be gained by layering in this way?

Oooh, here is a big question and suivant to a big assumption! I don't know ... : I suspect that for you, any possible advantage would be tiny and maybe not worth bothering with? It sounds as if you don't need to be using layered stakes in your price-range, Dillon ... I would imagine that laying to fixed stakes would be all you'd need? ... ???

But I may be completely wrong too, I'm afraid! ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon you talked earlier in the thread somewhere about the possibility of appling more 'layers' to your staking approach. Have you given any more thought to this? Yes ... I have a fourth layer which is from about 12.5 to about 15.5 (logically it ought to be from 11.0 to something, I know ... but at the moment I just "take a view" with anything between 11.0 and about 12.5, and I'm not particularly rigorous or scientific about it ... :-[ ). Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon Given the price range of my average lays, most would fall into the 0.6% band. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. It might perhaps be interesting to compare a year's results from 3.0 to 7.0 at fixed stakes of 0.6% with the same year's results using say 0.45% from 7.00 to 5.00 and 0.75% from 5.00 down to 3.00 instead? My guess is that the difference will be pretty small and maybe a year's results isn't even enough for it to have any real predictive value anyway? ... ??? : I am learning more and more that (with laying in particular) you need an enormous number of results before anything you analyse can have much real predictive value. When I started this thread, I had nearly a year's actual results, from live trading, and the picture they gave me turned out to be completely misleading (fortunately, in the right direction!) ... You can probably understand that it makes me shudder a little when I read about people playing on the exchange with real money (sometimes with a lot more than my real money!) with systems that have only been in use for something like 3 months, so that even the seasonal factors can't possibly have been identified yet! ...

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I started this off thinking (well, hoping and assuming and believing) that a year's results would be a pretty reliable indicator for me and make the whole thing safe. I know now, with hindsight, that this was totally mistaken thinking. If I had overestimated my strike-rate by 1.5% instead of underestimating it by 1.5%, this thread would not have lasted very long and most of the bank would have been lost. I can't stress this enough, and it's something people should bear in mind if they're looking at laying systems, before putting their money on the line: a full year's results with 3000 bets is not necessarily enough information to draw statistically valid conclusions ... __________________ maria santonix #1563

30-07-2006, 12:55 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hi Maria,

No, not a professional layer . Been doing this a couple of years, thats all. I relate to what you say about discipline and playing the long game hence the big read. Or maybe it really was just insomnia............ ;D Agree with your point about the staking plan not in itself producing profit. But of course it can amplify a small edge. I've been following the route of finding smallish edges from various racing perspectives for a while and then playing the volume game as far as possible. In this respect, I suspect we have similarities in our selection approaches. One can conjecture whether or not edge really does apply equally across the pricing range. I guess it depends on the selection method. I checked out one of the angles I use (and I think its one that you use also) against a database earlier and, in terms of result vs odds expectation, this did seem to be the case. Hence the question. The reason I asked the question about the layering was because I thought there could be a mathematical angle I'd missed. It seems not from your response. I must admit that your approach has its attractions - risking 6 points on a 7.0 shot can be an uncomfortable experience, whatever the mathematical expectation of the outcome. Perhaps I should trial out some possibilities. Anyway keep up the great work. I'll contribute when and where i can. Regards

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Hi again, Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon Been doing this a couple of years, thats all. Me also ... have been doing what you read in this thread for almost 2 years now, and for a year before that playing about with its precursor and a few other ideas, and for a year before that just researching ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon Agree with your point about the staking plan not in itself producing profit. But of course it can amplify a small edge. Yes; agreed. And with a high turnover, low POI business like this, that can be significant, of course ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon I've been following the route of finding smallish edges from various racing perspectives for a while and then playing the volume game as far as possible. In this respect, I suspect we have similarities in our selection approaches.

Sounds like ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillon I'll contribute when and where i can. Thanks, and again welcome ... 8)

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Results Update: day 278 ...

Third Set 1.40 Ascot ... 11/2, 6.0, £292.06 Courageous Duke 2.10 Ascot ... 5/1, 6.2, £292.06 Norton 3.15 Ascot ... 8/1, 9.0, £194.71 South Cape 3.25 Newmarket ... 5/1, 6.0, £292.06 Peppertree 3.50 Ascot ... 7/1, 5.8, £292.06 Mr Wolf 4.10 Pontefract ... 15/8, 2.88, £486.77 Trick Cyclist 5.15 Pontefract ... 8/1, 9.5 (ave), £194.71

Comments: Oh dear ... I can't get a clean sweep even with only 7 selections! ... Mr Wolf: really struggled to lay to the best price I could and actually thought I had judged it ok, but still over £30,000 traded below me before the off ... Still, today's takings were £2034.69 (£2141.78 less 5% commission); the winner cost £915.13, and that leaves a net profit today of £1119.56 (2.32%) ... The bank has now reached a new high of £49393.25 and tomorrow's stakes are increased to £493.93, £296.35 and £197.57 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £37884.92 Profit/(loss) today: £1119.63

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Tomorrow's bank: £49393.25 Tomorrow's stakes: £493.93, £296.35 and £197.57 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.32% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 30.38% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1564.64% Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71% July strike-rate: 426 wins from 496 selections = 85.89% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3126 wins from 3657 selections = 85.48%

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A 30% increase in your bank in what has undoubtedly felt at times a difficult month! Well done, and you can buy the matching shoe now! ;D __________________ Saint #1567

30-07-2006, 06:09 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Re: Maria's laying system

Been following this thread for a while now and without wishing to sound cynical you would not be a very good advert for betfair.

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You always seem to lay to SP or below while when I lay the same horses albiet from a different source my average overlay is over 10% and it seems to make no difference whether I lay early or just before the off. During the week I do all my lays during my lunch break (therefore all early) and nearly always have an overlay of around the 10% mark. You have said earlier that most of your selection drift as the day goes on therefore you beat SP. When I have the same selections and put them on early this is not usually the case I actually thought my 10% overlay was pretty good considering Betfair quote 20% better odds but somehow you seem to lay to SP or better on about 75% of the selections! Would be very interested to know what overlay these selections would be workable with because it would make a big difference to the profits whilst I accept you do take off the full 5% commission which would offset this to some degree as I am sure you are not paying this. Great thread nonetheless. matt #1568

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Well done Maria, still going as strong as ever B __________________ www.topnaps.com #1569

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Hello Maria, when will you learn that I cannot be layed? I select my own lays lol You are doing wonderfully well! Wolf :-* :-* #1570

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Originally Posted by hudsonmat You always seem to lay to SP or below

I wish! ... > Quote:

Originally Posted by hudsonmat During the week I do all my lays during my lunch break (therefore all early) and nearly always have an overlay of around the 10% mark.

Unfortunate, indeed (and I wouldn't have said that a year ago!) ... Quote:

Originally Posted by hudsonmat You have said earlier that most of your selection drift as the day goes on therefore you beat SP. With respect, you misquote me. What I have said is that overall, more of my selections drift than shorten, and that therefore if I really can't make an "educated guess" which way something's going to move and have to depend on an "uneducated guess", I err on the side of guessing that it will be right to take an early price. Over the last couple of months, since the stakes have got so high and getting matched is becoming much more of an issue to me, I find myself gradually doing that less and less, I must say. Over the last month, in particular, I've been laying a lot just before the off, as you can see from some of the prices I've taken (well ... perhaps I should say "as you would be able to see if you hadn't had to do yours at lunchtime") ... :-\

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hudsonmat I actually thought my 10% overlay was pretty good considering Betfair quote 20% better odds Sorry, but I just don't agree with this comment at all, or with its logic either. With respect, you need to think about how Betfair's extraordinary, misleading and now in any case slightly historical claim of "20% better than SP" was worked out. If you take a horse that's about 20/1, you will often (at some point during the day) be able to get 35.0 or sometimes even 40.0 on Betfair. I'm sure that such horses - if you work in Betfair's marketing department - can be described as "100% than better than SP". This makes the "average" more or less meaningless, because it's not a weighted average. There are more 14/1 and 20/1 outsiders in the average race than there are evens and 2/1 favourites on which 500 times as much volume is traded, but very conveniently for themselves they didn't take that fact into account when formulating their remarkable claim. To put it very bluntly indeed, their claim that on average you can (as a backer) "get 20% better than SP" is simply nonsense. You have only to look round a few betting forums where people are discussing such matters to see that these days everyone is complaining that on the ones they actually back, they can barely do any better than SP at all at Betfair and sometimes even a fraction worse and they can't understand how on earth Betfair can claim that (I don't say the same myself, but I don't often back evens and 2/1 favourites, personally). Well, from my point of view, the fact that all these backers have such difficulty beating SP by using the exchange translates, with timing, chart-reading, "educated" guesses and detailed statistics of known trainer/jockey drifting/shortening combination patterns, more or less as sometimes "the ability to lay to SP or even slightly better" (which as I've repeatedly said, I don't actually achieve, but would of course love to!) ... 8) Please appreciate that the figures I give in this thread (apart from a commission differential of nearly 3% on all gross takings, which of course adds up to a lot of money every month) are simply my own figures from my own (usually Betfair although I do use Betdaq a bit as well) account ... I'm not suggesting that anyone will be able to duplicate them (and am continually surprised how many people apparently do), and indeed on drifters on which I've taken an early price, I always imagine that they probably won't be able to, and I don't pretend otherwise and never have done ... :-X Quote:

Originally Posted by hudsonmat Would be very interested to know what overlay these selections would be workable with because it would make a big difference to the profits whilst I accept you do take off the full 5% commission which would offset this to some degree as I am sure you are not paying this. Indeed. Sorry, but I'm afraid I just don't know the answer to that ... ??? When I first started the thread off some decades ago last September, I used to work out two sets of results every day: my own results and results to an average overlay of 10%. After some time I stopped compiling the latter figures by popular (in fact almost universal) request, both openly in the thread and by p.m. as I remember, because everyone following the selections was able overall to do so much better than a 10% overlay that they were largely meaningless, a point which was well and convincingly made at the time and which I accepted. I think, though, that two things may possibly

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have changed since then. First, the number of people laying these selections every day has obviously increased a lot (which has certainly made it harder from any individual's perspective, even mine, and this alone is one reason why the thread very clearly can't continue indefinitely exactly in its present form); secondly, it seems to me (though I can't at the moment produce detailed figures to substantiate the point, so we're talking "impression only" here) that the extent to which someone laying everything at lunchtime is at a disadvantage has increased quite a lot during the last year; sorry about that ... :-\ I sense from trying to read between the lines of your post (always a dodgy thing for me to do and I may have got it wrong!) that where you're coming from is that because unlike me you can't if necessary spend the whole day fretting over getting the best possible matches, you're not getting close enough to my overall prices and this is having an effect on your profits which is much bigger than you're comfortable with. You may well be completely right about that point, but at the end of the day I'm afraid it's really not something I can either help you with or take responsibility for. It may be that following this thread is not really suitable or appropriate for you. I suspect that the longer it continues, the greater the number of people who will find that, too, for all the reasons given above and more! I know of at least two people with banks about four times the size of mine who follow these selections. That means that when I'm laying a horse to a backer's stake of £292.06, they are each laying it to a backer's stake of nearly £1200 and that's before thinking about anyone else at all ... which is no problem on a Saturday at Ascot but it's a different pail of herrings at Ripon on a Tuesday afternoon. Even the Betfair market, although growing rapidly, is not unlimited. ... Thanks for your comments, Matt, and my apologies for such an unhelpful answer! ... :

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Originally Posted by Wolf when will you learn that I cannot be layed?

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Wolf!! You posted while I was writing a long reply - great to hear from you. I was thinking about you earlier today, of course. Maybe you can't be layed even at Pontefract, but you can't blame a girl for trying ... __________________ maria santonix #2

30-07-2006, 10:08 PM Join Date: Nov 2005

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I could be wrong, Maria, but I thought I read somewhere that you always placed your lays early and didn't spend all day on the racing. Nowadays, and understanderbly so, you work harder to get a better price....only your stats haven't really changed. You have ALWAYS got very close to or better than sp so I really don't think it is down to that. If hudsonmat is laying to 10% overlay placing his bets early on, then he IS doing fantastically well. I also can do early AND race by race, and the average does not beat 13%-14% no matter what. At race time, your 2/1s will be layable at 3.25 most of the time, or worse, 3/1-4.4, 4/1-5.5, 9/2-6, 5/1-6.6, 6/1-7.8, 13/2 I rarely get better than 8.4! That's 12.5% overlay for the LOWEST of those prices!! I am of the opinion that you should never have stopped running another imaginary results sequence to 10% overlay, in fact, you should have increased it to the more real world average of 15%. This isn't to say you are lying about your prices, I wouldn't suggest that at all, but it fits into the category I find alot of tipster fit in, (not calling you a tipster either ) and that is these people are showing how good they are at finding their "edge" by achieving good prices, back or lay, and if they can do this then they can turn alot of otherwise losing systems into winning ones, it matters not which system you are actually posting. Unfortunately, for us mere mortals, we need BIGGER edges to win. This why in my system researching, I try to find winners using WORSE than sp figures for backing, and way above sp figures for laying, so that if the system doesn't quite go to plan price wise, there's plenty of cushion. #3

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Hi Ooer Missus, don't worry, we know each other well enough for me not to take you the wrong way at all. I know that you have a lot of experience, too ... Quote:

Originally Posted by ooer missus If hudsonmat is laying to 10% overlay placing his bets early on, then he IS doing fantastically well. I don't doubt it, the way things have developed over the last year. But he's not doing fantastically well "because it's possible to back at an average of 20% better than SP at Betfair", which is what he said ... :-\ Before I started posting this thread, I paper-traded essentially these same selections for a whole year and then bet them live for almost another whole year. And I'd say it's only in the last 4 or 5 months that it's become impossible to put the bets on at lunchtime. And I'd say it's only in the last 1 or 2 months that I've woken up to the reality of why. I was a bit slow on the uptake here, because in the long run I've been used to a far, far smaller bank and to nobody taking much notice of what I'm doing anyway ... __________________ maria santonix #4

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Hi Maria, Thanks for replying to my message last time, and again you are doing unbelievably well!!! ;D I have a quick question for yourself, and everybody else who frequents this thread, and wondered whether there are layers out there that purely lay the outsiders for a few pounds here and there? I've recently started with a pitiful bankroll and only looking for some odds and ends and have laid the odd outsiders. I'm not a persistent layer, only a race or two a day, if that, with the intention of making a few extra pounds on the side. (It beats trying to find the winners!) Through being a shares dealer I use the SETS order book in my day to day job on the London Stock Exchange

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and, obviously, find Betfair's exchange like home. So......today I got the jitters with Norton in the 15:15 at Ascot. I had my lay in early the night before and was filled at 9.6 (seemed a decent price with hindsight) but getting closer to the race I noticed the odds shortening back towards my lay. It seemed a bit of a 'shake out' (again with hindsight!!!) as the odds fluttered up and down so I decided to close out my position at 12's in a win-win position to save me the aggro of it winning. So that moves me onto question 2, does anyone trade within the order book on Betfair who are specifically layers? You make a decision but close out that 'position' for a net profit pre race through a. decent profit on offer, b. change of heart etc...? Just curious about the whole scenario. If this has been asked before, please excuse me! I wish you all the luck in the world and everyone else on this forum (except those that back my horses that win, only kidding!!!

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In my experience (which certainly isn't as in depth as Maria's) overlaying is both a discipline and emotional issue. If around lunchtime we see our horse trading at 9.8/10, there's only £1000 matched, the graph is inconclusive and on oddschecker the odds range in 13/2 - 8/1 - we might leave an order at 8.0(7/1) on bettie (or in Maria's case 7.4 ) In my experience there is a high probability that it would be matched and the horse SP will be 7/1-9/1 range, thereby achieving SP or even better. Now a horse that's 3.25/3.3 at the top of the market with £000's matched, a steadyish graph and oddschecker showing a range of 2/1-9/4 - we think 3.3 is pretty much on the money and place our lay which is immediately taken. The horse goes off at 2/1, or even 15/8 - and we're "only" 0.3 away and feel ok about it, but that's 15% and over time will be very costly - and in the very short priced "place" market it isn't unusual to see prices 50% higher than they should be getting matched. If we allowed 15% on the 7/1 shot, that would be 9.0 or 9.2, a whole point or more off the money - but in reality is less likely to catch us out than the 15% "given away" on the 2/1 chance. It takes a really disciplined approach to be consistent across the odds range, and we are more likely to be upset by having a 7/1 shot win at 9.2 than a 2/1 winner at 3.3 - but both are equally 15% overlayed, which is why we have to strip out the emotion and stick with the discipline. Mat - I post on the "other site" under a different name, and stopped laying on there in

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early March - on my own lays now which mostly fall in the 4.0 to 11.0 range on betfair, I place all my lays early and have a 4.78% total overlay, and am annoyed that it isn't less than 4%. > #6

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Hi AA, Quote:

Originally Posted by AnfieldAssassin I have a quick question for yourself, and everybody else who frequents this thread, and wondered whether there are layers out there that purely lay the outsiders for a few pounds here and there? My impression is that there will be very few. In my experience, which is obviously pretty limited, the people laying the outsiders are mostly the serious, organised dayto-day professionals (like my father), not people taking a few pounds here and there. I think that most of the people who are trying to take a few pounds here and there, ironically, are trying to lay shorties (which is possibly why in the long run almost all of them fail - just my own opinion, of course) ... Quote:

Originally Posted by AnfieldAssassin I use the SETS order book in my day to day job on the London Stock Exchange and, obviously, find Betfair's exchange like home. I think that people don't appreciate or understand the enormous advantage that this sort of background gives you on Betfair ... Quote:

Originally Posted by AnfieldAssassin does anyone trade within the order book on Betfair who are specifically layers? You make a decision but close out that 'position' for a net profit pre race through a. decent profit on offer, b. change of heart etc...? I don't myself, but I know there are some people who do. People with a real trading mentality who would rather lock in their profit by going green/green than await an

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uncertain outcome. I look at it differently, myself, and have my own way of taking the emotion out of it, which works for me. And that's more or less that once a horse is on my laying-list, then if I can get it within my cut-off, I'm laying it come what may, regardless of prices, information, non-runners and so on. Not everyone's taste but it works for me and I don't believe that it's cost me any money overall, and probably the opposite really. Just a very disciplined approach which means I don't have those other factors to worry about ... :-\ The other thing I find it useful to keep reminding myself of as a layer is that as a backer, you make more overall, consistently, on drifters than on steamers. The figures for this are overwhelming. This helps me not to worry too much when I've laid one at 11.0 that subsequently starts at 6/1 or something (we have had some like that this week, but of course the people commenting on my prices never seem to notice those!) ... : __________________ maria santonix #7

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Hi again Ziggy, and many thanks for your excellent and well made points ... 8) Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggy on my own lays now which mostly fall in the 4.0 to 11.0 range on betfair, I place all my lays early and have a 4.78% total overlay, and am annoyed that it isn't less than 4%. > Ooooh, be careful: personally, of course I'm very glad you said that, but if you're not careful you will have people saying you're lying about your prices ... At the end of the day, some people lay to better prices than others, for a huge variety of different reasons many of which I've commented on intermittently throughout this thread and doubtless some other reasons too which I'm not even aware of. The bottom line is that laying to good prices can, among other things, provoke some hostility and resentment from people not laying to such good prices. It's another reason which gives me little incentive to continue this thread indefinitely in its current form ... :P

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By the way ... no lays today, sorry ... have other things to do ...

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Originally Posted by maria

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Originally Posted by ziggy on my own lays now which mostly fall in the 4.0 to 11.0 range on betfair, I place all my lays early and have a 4.78% total overlay, and am annoyed that it isn't less than 4%. > Ooooh, be careful: personally, of course I'm very glad you said that, but if you're not careful you will have people saying you're lying about your prices ...

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What I should have added is that not all of my lays are matched, but those that are, are on average 4.78% overlayed. I would personally rather leave some unmatched than increase the level of overlay. We are playing the role of the bookie here, and bookies that constantly offer odds over what they should be go out of business - there are plenty to go for and the big advantage we have over the bookie is we have a choice which runners to lay. There is always another race and another day. So - nope not lying, but should have made myself clear #10

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Of course not ... didn't mean it that way at all, Ziggy! ... ;D I was simply trying to take the opportunity to have a little dig at the people who have suggested that about myself ... ;D : __________________ maria santonix

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Don't know about that, all I fancied was the 1540 Newmarket - Cross My Mnd always runs second, doesn't like to get his nose in front and carrying a bit of extra weight, but probably the best horse in the field, so a lay on the win spot and back him to place, and that will do very nicely, sir! ;D Some other good backs today (no other lays) and, apart from Fairmile (damn you, Fairmile) a very good day all round, over £200 on the right side of the ledger at play's end. Sunday is, as they say, another day...

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Get any nice shoes yesterday? #1703

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Given todays' weather I imagine a pair of Wellington boots. However probably went for a stylish pair with 6" heels and is currently struggling to walk to the keyboard in them!

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The Two-Hundred-And-Ninetieth Day (7-day) ... I'm laying these in case they can't swim ... Wind Flow 2.20 Leicester ... Nightinshining 2.20 Leicester ... Josie Marcus 3.00 Lingfield ... Air Biscuit 3.00 Lingfield ... Val de Maal 3.10 Redcar ... The Gaikwar 3.20 Leicester ... Champain Sands 3.20 Leicester ... Veiled Applause 3.20 Leicester ... Hill Billy Rock 3.40 Redcar ... Scrummage 3.50 Leicester ... Swains Bridge 4.20 Leicester ... Cripsey Brook 4.20 Leicester ... Supreme Kiss 4.30 Lingfield ... Gobi King 4.50 Leicester ... Taranaki 5.00 Lingfield ... Primo Gold 5.10 Redcar ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1705

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Thanks, girl, let's see how I can do today! #1706

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Good luck today,did you get my email ? Paul. #1707

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Laying Primo Gold won't go down too well with IrieMon!

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Laying Primo Gold won't go down too well with IrieMon!

No ... he will like it ... he is a backer, so he wants the price to drift as much as possible! ...

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Originally Posted by The Saint Laying Primo Gold won't go down too well with IrieMon!

Hmmmm ... the sudden withdrawal of the favourite at 3.05 doesn't go down too well with me, either! ... __________________ maria santonix #1710

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Originally Posted by maria the sudden withdrawal of the favourite at 3.05 doesn't go down too well with me, either! And neither does the sudden withdrawal of the second-favourite at 3.55!! ... __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: day 290 ...

Wind Flow 2.20 Leicester ... 8/1, 9.8, £260.33 Nightinshining 2.20 Leicester ... 6/1 op 7/1, 8.0, £260.33 Josie Marcus 3.00 Lingfield ... 9/2, 4.8, £390.50 Air Biscuit 3.00 Lingfield ... 9/2, 6.8, £390.50 Val de Maal 3.10 Redcar ... 5/1, 6.8, £390.50 The Gaikwar 3.20 Leicester ... 7/1, 8.8, £260.33 Champain Sands 3.20 Leicester ... 13/2 op 6/1, 5.8, £390.50 Veiled Applause 3.20 Leicester ... non-runner ... Hill Billy Rock 3.40 Redcar ... non-runner ... Scrummage 3.50 Leicester ... non-runner ... Swains Bridge 4.20 Leicester ... 6/1, 8.0, £260.33 Cripsey Brook 4.20 Leicester ... 8/1, 10.0, £260.33 Supreme Kiss 4.30 Lingfield ... 7/1 op 13/2, 8.8, £260.33 Gobi King 4.50 Leicester ... 10/3, 5.1, £390.50 Taranaki 5.00 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.6, £260.33 Primo Gold 5.10 Redcar ... 3.9 (ave), £390.50

Comments: Bugger. As they say. A fine day Taranaki picked to win his first race for well over 2 years ... Strange goings on in the 5.10 at Redcar ... 6 non-runners and the most enormous reduction factors I've ever seen, I think. I started off looking at something well above the first cut-off and ended up thinking Primo Gold might even come in under the second cut-off (but not quite, unfortunately!) ...

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Today's takings here were £3462.41 (that's £3644.51 less 5% commission); and the losses came to £3800.81, leaving a net loss of £338.40 (0.56%) on the day ... :

The bank is now £60437.52, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... : Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: (£338.40) Tomorrow's bank: £60437.52 Tomorrow's stakes: £650.84, £390.50 and £260.33 Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.56% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 22.36% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 1914.58% Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 13 selections = 84.62% August strike-rate: 208 wins from 242 selections = 85.95% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3335 wins from 3899 selections = 85.53%

: __________________ maria santonix #1712

08-13-2006, 07:20 PM Join Date: Nov 2003

Viva

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Going great M cracking profit __________________ "When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark." #1713

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08-14-2006, 12:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Ye Olde Two-Hundredde-And-Ninety-Onethe Day ... (1-day) ... I'm laying these ... Westfield Dancer 2.15 Southwell ... Dalriath 2.15 Southwell ... Thedublinpublican 2.15 Southwell ... Convivial Spirit 2.30 Wolverhampton ... Losing Grip 3.15 Southwell ... Hanko 3.45 Southwell ... Lysander's Quest 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Ice And Fire 4.30 Wolverhampton ... Little Task 4.45 Southwell ... Fiore di Bosco 5.00 Wolverhampton ... Abbeygate 5.00 Wolverhampton ... St Pancras 5.15 Southwell ... And more later for Thirsk where they invented the high-draw tricast and Windsor where they run on Monday evenings and Ballinrobe where apparently they have some shellfish racing this evening ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1714

08-14-2006, 01:25 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

JonHig

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Re: Maria's laying system

I might mussel in on the shellfish racing Maria!

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08-14-2006, 02:06 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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I was thinking of the 8.05 race, in particular, of course; but foreigners don't understand puns, you know ... although I admit that I had an ocean that someone might start off some seafood jokes ...

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08-14-2006, 02:33 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

JonHig

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Re: Maria's laying system

We should bring Rolex in on this, after all he should know all about oysters! #1717

08-14-2006, 03:43 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Monday evening lays ... Nothing at Ballinrobe really: I haven't found out where it is, yet. I'm not fully convinced that there actually is such a place at all ... ???

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I had five more than this to start with, but there are some non-runners around today ... (I can't blame them, really: I wouldn't fancy running in a race on a Monday evening either ...) ...

Top Royelle 5.45 Windsor ... Manhasset Indian 6.15 Wolverhampton ... Kostar 7.15 Windsor ... Pikaboo 7.45 Windsor ... Bob's Your Uncle 8.15 Windsor ... Hatch a Plan 8.15 Windsor ... Scottish River 8.15 Windsor ... Munaa 8.25 Thirsk ...

Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1718

08-14-2006, 07:54 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

thunderfoot

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Maria, Just found this forum (usually frequent PuntersLounge), and this is the most awesome system I've seen. Wish I'd joined you at the beginning!! £60K Bank from a £3k start in under a year .... brilliant. Nothing on PL forum touches this!!! Hope you're going to keep it going because I might just jump-in on this. TF #1719

08-14-2006, 08:17 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Hello TF, welcome to EBA and thanks for gracing my laying thread with your first post. We have spoken before, I think, elsewhere? In your capacity as a penguin in the West Country? ... ;D Nice to find you again here ... 8)

Results Update: day 291 ...

Westfield Dancer 2.15 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.8, £390.50 Dalriath 2.15 Southwell ... 17/2, 11.0, £260.33 Thedublinpublican 2.15 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £390.50 Convivial Spirit 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 8.6/10.0, £260.33 Losing Grip 3.15 Southwell ... 9/1 op 8/1, 8.4, £260.33 Hanko 3.45 Southwell ... 6/1, 8.8, £260.33 Lysander's Quest 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.2, £390.50 Ice And Fire 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 6.4, £390.50 Little Task 4.45 Southwell ... 7/2, 4.8 (ave), £390.60 Fiore di Bosco 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.6, £260.33 Abbeygate 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.8, £260.33 St Pancras 5.15 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.1, £390.50 Top Royelle 5.45 Windsor ... 9/4, 3.15, £650.84 Manhasset Indian 6.15 Windsor ... 8/1, 10.5, £260.33 Kostar 7.15 Windsor ... 4/1, 4.5, £390.50 Pikaboo 7.45 Windsor ... 9/2, 6.0, £390.50 Bob's Your Uncle 8.15 Windsor ... 9/4, 3.95, £390.50 Hatch a Plan 8.15 Windsor ... 7/1 op 8/1, 9.4, £260.33 Scottish River 8.15 Windsor ... 9/2 op 4/1, 5.1, £390.50 Munaa 8.25 Thirsk ... 9/1, 11.0, £260.33

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Comments: My throat is red with some white spots, so I am definitely not at my best. But assuming that I haven't made a mess of the results, today's takings here are £6306.55 (and that's £6638.48 less 5% commission); and I lost £2186.78 on Hatch A Plan, the stinker, but that still leaves a net profit of £4119.77 on the day (and that's 6.82%!) until someone points out that some other stinker won as well and I haven't noticed yet, but I don't think so, today, but I'm going to be honest, aftertiming or no aftertiming, and say that there's a chunk of extra money in my account today because I backed a couple of decent winners too and I haven't "done the books yet" and I'm not in hurry to, either, sorry ... :-\ : The bank is now £64557.28, which isn't a new high, but it's a whole lot better and quite a relief, let me tell you; and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... : Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £4119.77 Tomorrow's bank: £64557.28 Tomorrow's stakes: £650.84, £390.50 and £260.33 Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.82% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 30.7% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2051.91% Today's strike-rate: 19 wins from 20 selections = 95% August strike-rate: 227 wins from 262 selections = 86.64% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3354 wins from 3919 selections = 85.58%

Apologies in advance if I take the day off tomorrow with a sore throat; I will try to update reasonably early in the day so that at least people know whether I'm laying in bed or at Brighton, Newton Abbot, Nottingham, Carlisle and Deauville(?) ... :-\ : __________________ maria santonix #1720

08-14-2006, 08:24 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

Grippando

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Hi Maria I also am new to your thread - looks incredible. Sorry to hear of your illness - from a purely selfish view I hope it isnt terminal considering I have just joined. You and your fans must be rolling in it after the year you have had. Seriously plenty of medicinal brandy tonight and hopefully someone nice to mop your troubled brow. Cheers Grip

08-15-2006, 12:52 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

The Saint

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Re: Maria's laying system

A 'hatchet system' eh? ;D

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Is that were you send the heavies round to collect regardless of the result? I was under the impression the stakes were 1% 0.6% then 0.4% Therefore £5, £3 and £2 with a £500 bank. Regards __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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08-15-2006, 01:00 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

thunderfoot

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Re: Maria's laying system

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Originally Posted by maria We have spoken before, I think, elsewhere? In your capacity as a penguin in the West Country? ... ;D Nice to find you again here ... 8)

Guilty. : There are 2 elements to a successful 'system' 1) Selections 2) Staking Plan. The 'numbers'/bottom-line say you have both here. Whilst I respect your wishes in not wanting to reveal your method in making the selections, can you tell me how the staking plan has performed:1) How many losing days has there been? 2) How many times have you hit the 35% and had to re-set the stakes? 3) What has been the longest losing streak in days? 4) Has the 'growth' been steady or has there been large peaks/troughs? 5) Are the rules the same now as in your original post (too many pages on this thread to scan through!!)? 6) If not, what has changed? (If there has been any changes would be useful to post them on the original post). 7) In practise, are you making the majority of bets when you post the selections or nearer the 'off'? 8) (Eight - Damned Smiley!!!) OP states "There are one or two anomalies in it". What are these? 9) Just for my benefit & to clarify the bet method, you are staking the ('banded') amounts as if you were making LEVEL stakes. Therefore if £100 was staked on a 6.00 and it won the race, you'd lose £500, if it didn't win the race you'd win £100. Yes? Sorry, forgot to add: 10) What SR's have been achieved for the 3 'bands'? #1733

08-15-2006, 01:35 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Thunderfoot ... (do you get to wear special lightning shoes? Sounds like something I should know about ...

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I'll answer, such as I can, but please note that this thread's closing in a couple of weeks anyway, barring accidents (that's to say, if the last week turned out to be a heavy loss-making disaster and people wanted me to post for another week or two

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until they can recover their last-minute losses, then of course I would do so, but otherwise not ...) ... :-X Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot 1) How many losing days has there been? I don't know - sorry: it's not useful information for me so I have never recorded it ... Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot 2) How many times have you hit the 35% and had to re-set the stakes?

Never ... the closest was fairly recent (but wasn't really close at all) ... Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot 3) What has been the longest losing streak in days? Sorry, but not only don't I know this one because it's never been relevant to me, but it's hard to imagine it being relevant to anyone ... The point I'm making is that you can have a whole series of consecutive days where you lose very small amounts under 0.5% (like some we've seen recently) and then have one day like yesterday where you make 7%; or you can have exactly the opposite, of course: one disastrous day where you drop 10% of the bank (or more) and take weeks of small, gradual gains (mostly) to recover the loss ... so my inclination is to suspect that trying to measure in winning/losing days is going to be "more prejudicial than probative" as some lawyers say ... Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot 4) Has the 'growth' been steady or has there been large peaks/troughs? There's been about a 20% drop somewhere ... so I suppose it depends what you mean by "large". For myself, the way I think about that is according to the timedifferences between peaks, which of course you can't fail to notice, because you only change the stakes when you hit a new high point. The longest time between peaks (i.e. between changing the stakes) was more than a month (although there were actually more winning days than losing days during that month anyway), but that wasn't during the year's results reported in this thread, it was during the previous year ... :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

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5) Are the rules the same now as in your original post (too many pages on this thread to scan through!!)?

Yes ... Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot 7) In practise, are you making the majority of bets when you post the selections or nearer the 'off'? Well, this is a question we've been discussing quite a bit for the last couple of months. At the moment, I'm making the majority of bets nearer the off. And that has surprised me ... There are different possible reasons for this, some of which are a little bit complicated and controversial, so I'll let them go at that for the moment ... One thing this matter affects (although it's of absolutely no long-term significance unless you're over-staking, of course, but I'm not so naive as to imagine that some people don't do that) is how much of your bank you have tied up as "stake money in action" at any one point. If you lay them all at the start of the session (not that I have ever myself laid them all at the start of the session, but you see what I mean, I'm sure), it will tie up a lot of money from your account until the results start coming in, naturally ... :P Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot 8) (Eight - Damned Smiley!!!) OP states "There are one or two anomalies in it". What are these? I can perhaps give you an example of the sort of thing I think I was thinking of when I made that comment: with this staking system, you can end up, because of the exchange reduction factors very reasonably and properly arising after the withdrawal of non-runners (and now that we have recently moved from "overnight declarations" to "48-hour declarations" this could even become more common, I suppose) needing to increase your laying liability on a horse whose chances of winning the race have also just increased. Some people might consider this pretty anomalous. A classic recent example the other day was Primo Gold in the 5.10 at Redcar on Sunday (13th August). This was a race with 6 non-runners (two of them announced so early in the morning that they were not relevant to the point I'm about to make). When I first looked at Primo Gold it was about 11.0 or 10.5 to lay, as I remember. I left 7.4 unmatched. (The unmatched positions are removed when betting re-opens after a withdrawal, by the way). Anyway, to cut a long story short, I ended up laying Primo Gold at 3.9 (average) and therefore for 0.6% of my bank instead of 0.4% of my bank. And if I'd been able to catch it under 3.5 (which at one point I really thought I would, after both the favourite and second-favourite had been withdrawn at 3.05 and 3.55, as I remember), it would have been 1% of my bank. To some people, that's an anomaly (a profitable one, overall, but an anomaly still) ... Quote:

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Originally Posted by thunderfoot 9) Just for my benefit & to clarify the bet method, you are staking the ('banded') amounts as if you were making LEVEL stakes.

No; not at all. My stakes are variable, not level ... The stakes of the backers (whose money I am trying to win) are level within the "bands"; mine are not. If I lay a horse at 6.0 to a backer's stake of £100, my own stake is £500. That's the amount of money I lose if the backer is right and I am wrong about the outcome. And even more relevantly, that's the amount of money that leaves my account the second I click on "submit" and my bet is listed ... Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderfoot Therefore if £100 was staked on a 6.00 and it won the race, you'd lose £500, if it didn't win the race you'd win £100. Yes? If the £100 was staked by a backer (or collectively by backers) whose stake-money I am trying to win, yes. But in no sense is "my stake" £100 ... __________________ maria santonix #1734

08-15-2006, 01:36 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Originally Posted by The Saint A 'hatchet system' eh? ;D ;D Is that were you send the heavies round to collect regardless of the result? Eeewwwwww ... it must be the "The Ballinrobe Boys" again; and I thought I'd shaken them off, after all this time! ... __________________ maria santonix

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08-15-2006, 01:41 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Hi and welcome, Theking ... Quote:

Originally Posted by theking I am lodging 500 pounds into my account. i will be selecting my own bets from Soccer, Horse Racing and Golf and will be using your staking plan and hatchet system as advised. My lays will be £8, £4.80, £4 from the start. (2%, 1.2%, and 0.8% of my bank). I would be grateful if you can find any flaws or give me any advice on the above. I'm really sorry; I honestly can't at all. I know nothing about Soccer (apart from a few little observations made here by my friends The Saint and Swebby, in a forlorn attempt to educate me), and people don't let me go on golf courses because they think (probably rightly) I'll damage their grass. The staking system in this thread was designed only for use with these laying selections; I have absolutely no idea at all whether it would be applicable to anything else, either with or without the sort of modifications you suggest ... sorry! ... :

Good luck! ... __________________ maria santonix #1736

08-15-2006, 02:00 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Originally Posted by thunderfoot Sorry, forgot to add: 10) What SR's have been achieved for the 3 'bands'? Ooooh, sorry; I don't know ... I haven't scored them individually for the last year ... not very methodical of me, is it ... ??? :-[ : It's not actually information I need, for myself, but of course I can tell you that the 7.6 - 11.0 band has the highest strike-rate! ... __________________ maria santonix #1737

08-15-2006, 03:31 PM Join Date: May 2006

Kinho

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Re: Maria's laying system

Dear Maria, When you go to the golf course next time, ask me to go with you - I'll possibly be the one who would damage the grass ( I am very fat!!) and nobody will complain you! #1738

08-15-2006, 06:30 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

gumbo

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Hi Maria, Only just discovered your thread, and dismayed to find you are closing it down soon! Looks like you have been doing some fantastic work.

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May I ask why you are closing down, and more importantly what if anything I can do to change your mind? (I certainly dont mind shamelessly grovelling and pleading if that would influence you). Regards, Gumbo #1739

08-15-2006, 08:48 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Hello Gumbo, and welcome to EBA ... Sorry to sound churlish, but it's simply that I can't continue to post them, or let anyone else have them, and make a secure living out of them: it honestly is as simple as that ... :-X Much though I'd love to continue to irritate indefinitely all the lay tipping services who hate me for continuing to post them (apart from the ones copying them and selling them on, of course!), liquidity is now such a problem that I can only keep going myself by stopping posting. I'm only putting them up now (today excepted, of course) because I promised I'd post them for a year, and honestly I'll be relieved when it's up in a couple of weeks; I'm so sorry ... :-[ Answering your question leads me on to a quick announcement which (sadly but perhaps not altogether amazingly) circumstances force me to make: if you see/receive offers from email marketing/websites advertising or promoting "Marias Laying System Selections" from 1st September onwards (or from any other time onwards), they are not authentic in any way at all. I will not be supplying these selections to anyone here, there, through any other forum, by email, by smoke-signal, carrier-pigeon or in any other way. Any such offer you may see/hear/receive/read of, anywhere, is absolutely guaranteed bogus! ... I mention this because there are already some circulating! ...

(And frankly I'm offended by how little money some of them are asking!! ...

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) I have not sold the system to anyone and will not be selling it to anyone in future, and I virtually guarantee that nobody will be working it out from studying the selections either (however much they might imagine otherwise). Any and all "services" offering anything alleged to be comprised of or based on or inspired by "Maria's Laying

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System" are dishonest and should be avoided ... :-* __________________ maria santonix #1740

08-15-2006, 11:59 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

TFMonty

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Re: Maria's laying system

jus read said bout this closing a only jus discovered it so thought be nosey n see whatever neone is tryin to sell so put maria's laying system into google and only this came up................... i dunno whether anyone else is trying to make money off this nor do i really care to be honest, admitedly dont really see how posting on here can affect you as more layers would equal a lower price so surely better for u at the end of the day Surely you must have realised that if it worked then you would only get a short span off posting on here as with results making £62,000 (I ain't checked em) then of course everyone will jump on the wagon chasing their free money. As any pro gambler knows it all revolves round staking and value, which is whta you have got right regarless of how u pick ur losers, which aint the hard part

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08-16-2006, 07:16 AM Join Date: Jul 2006

ziggy

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Maria, still keep popping in to see how you are going, hope the throat is feeling better today Really hope you have a cracking final half mile in your year long marathon, and that your followers treat you to an expensive shoe shopping expedition at close of play. I had never considered that being so generous with your own hard work would result in a few attacking you because they either dont believe you or think you're stealing "their" customers - there really are some nasty pieces of work around. I think appart from the fact that both you and a lot of others have made a nice earner from your thread, the real thing to take from this thread is that if you put the hard graft in, and take a steady long term view in your staking, that not only can you make money - you can actually take control of your life finances. All power to you Maria and I truely hope you can continue to make a good living from your hard work. From an interest point of view, and don't answer if it's personal, are you planning a continued increasing of stakes from Sept onward and do you have a maximum level in mind that once reached you'll take the top of as your salary? I ask because that is my plan from my own betting, albeit I'm a bit further away from getting to that point than you I'd say ;D #1742

08-16-2006, 08:53 AM Join Date: Oct 2005

Tez8

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Originally Posted by TFMonty as more layers would equal a lower price so surely better for u at the end of the day You couldn't be more wrong about the above. The only way the above would work is if there is an equal amount traded between layers and backers. The more people that lay a horse, the more the price will drift...and in the case of Maria's laying system I

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have noticed this happening "Big time" on Betfair. I've seen prices that should have been 6/1 drift to 10/1 and I'm pretty sure that Maria's system has had a lot do with this. Not only that, (being a big backer of horses myself) when I have decided to back a horse in race in the last year, my first protocol has been "Has Maria layed this horse?" And I'm certain I'm not the only one to use this method! Therefore you've got people following Maria's lays and people refraining from backing their original bet because Maria has listed your selection as a lay! In other words...a double whammy for the price to drift! Some people only study the market on Betfair. If they see that hundreds (Or Thousands) are being thrown on to lay a horse...then 9/10 they are not going to back that horse as it would signify a negative selection on the market. __________________ La cucaracha, la cucaracha, nah nah nah nah, nah, nah, nah!
La cucaracha, la cucaracha, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! #1743

08-16-2006, 09:00 AM Join Date: Aug 2006

TFMonty

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Re: Maria's laying system

admitedly i have only recentlly found this site so have no knowledge of the selections/affect on betfair etc......... But for me I know what i will be backing and if for example Barry Dennis has put it up as his Bismrarck i say thank you very much as will know get a better price, likewise if something she has laid i can now watch n wait n see #1744

08-16-2006, 09:23 AM Join Date: Oct 2005

Tez8

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Originally Posted by TFMonty if for example Barry Dennis has put it up as his Bismrarck i say thank you very much as will know get a better price What's the point in getting value to back a horse if it's not going to win? Bismarck is very good at his lays! Well apart from when he dismissed Ouija Board's chances against Alexandra Goldrun...sucker! :P __________________ La cucaracha, la cucaracha, nah nah nah nah, nah, nah, nah!
La cucaracha, la cucaracha, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! #1745

08-16-2006, 09:50 AM Join Date: Aug 2006

TFMonty

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i don't always back the bismarck jus usually nice when its my selection anyway as a 6/4 chance will prob go 2-1 on course and fair play to Barry he will hold it and put his neck out (jus nice when u see the half-mile queue waitin to collect from him)........... Always nice to have someone tipping a horse to lose that creates an affect if you think its going to win #1746

08-16-2006, 12:25 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

Grippando

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Hi Maria Hope your throat is feeling better - I think the fact you have kept this thread going for a year is fantastic and hope you have many happy days to come. You are obviously

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going to leave a lot of grateful punters behind. Grip #1747

08-16-2006, 01:00 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Many thanks for such supportive posts/messages ...

:-*

The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Twoth Day ... (3-day) ... Some pretty dodgy-looking shorties selected today, but as they say "rightly or wrongly" I am laying these ...

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Opera Music 2.30 Salisbury ... Mobane Flyer 2.40 Beverley ... Diamond Light 3.00 Salisbury ... Caribbean Coral 3.10 Beverley ... Peggy's Flower 3.20 Yarmouth ... Danger Alley 3.20 Yarmouth ... Alfie Tupper 3.30 Salisbury ... Lyrical Sound 3.30 Salisbury ... Fun Time 3.50 Yarmouth ... Carlton Scroop 4.10 Beverley ... Mister Fizzbomb 4.10 Beverley ... Tumpuluna 4.20 Yarmouth ... Borfer Artist 4.50 Yarmouth ... Pink Bay 5.00 Salisbury ... River Rebel 5.10 Beverley ... Dance A Daydream 5.10 Beverley ... Ruling Reef 5.20 Yarmouth ... Prince of The May 5.20 Yarmouth ... And more later for Hamilton and Sandown ... 8) Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1748

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08-16-2006, 01:45 PM Join Date: Jan 2005

bullseye

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Re: Maria's laying system

I hope in the case of border artist wrongly - this is a bet for me today Best of luck Bullseye __________________ www.topnaps.com #1749

08-16-2006, 03:10 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

peteinthefulwell

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Maria I just wanted to add my voice to the many who have already congratulated you and say well done on your achievement and how impressive I think you are. I came across your thread a couple of weeks ago from a similar messageboard where the regulars are experimenting with laying. From their and your results it proves that with patience, the right strategy (and balls of steel) profit can certainly be made. As the saying goes ... you never see a broke bookie >

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Naturally at first I was a bit disappointed I didn't come across you earlier as I may have joined in. On reflection though it probably wouldn't have been possible as I'm currently in a "venture" with my uncle which requires me to passive smoke frequent the bookies while the racing's on. We make decent money, nowhere near as much as you I might add, but enough so that I dont have to 'work' ;D ;D ;D Having said that Sod's Law states we now won't make another dime for ages. Anyway, what I really wanted to say was it has been a pleasure to follow what you've

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been up to but I can't wait for you to stop posting : :P. You see, as you know, with your army of fans following you in on your selections, there is a very definite effect on Betfair. Opera Music today for example drifted to 17.0 just before the off and came 2nd SP 11.0. It creates artificial prices and though it's probably good news for backers it's making my life more difficult damn you!!! I wish you all the very best for the future Maria and don't blame you one bit for keeping this goldmine for yourself. :-* #1750

08-16-2006, 03:26 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

maria

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Very many thanks, Pete, and welcome. (I don't remember enjoying anyone's first post quite so much!). In somthing of a hurry at the moment, before the shoe-shop juicebar opposite closes, to be honest (no passive smoking there, but I take my own cigarettes just to be on the safe side), so will have to reply later ... ;D Mais maintenant, quelques choses pour le soir ... Master of Destiny 5.30 Sandown ... Our Mary 5.45 Hamilton ... Matsunosuke 6.00 Sandown ... Little Edward 6.00 Sandown ... Namid Reprobate 7.05 Sandown ... Apsara 7.20 Hamilton ... Compton Classic 7.50 Hamilton ... Dulce Sueno 7.50 Hamilton ... Don Pietro 8.05 Sandown ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix

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I agree with Pete - absolutely brilliant thread but it doesnt half affect the prices on Betfair. There must be loads of people picking up lay bets who arent worrying about the odds. Another example was that both your selections in the 5.20 at Yarmouth were over 10 at lunchtime but sp's were around 5-1. I congratulate you but you must have a big flock of sheep! Grip #1752

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Originally Posted by Grippando both your selections in the 5.20 at Yarmouth were over 10 at lunchtime but sp's were around 5-1. You exaggerate a little: one was 5/1 (I laid for a backer's stake of about £400 at an average of 7.1, myself) and the other opened at 10/1 and the SP was returned as 8/1 (I laid for a backer's stake of about £265 at an average of 10.7, myself). But yes; listing the selections here undeniably affects the market, unsurprisingly when you think that some readers have banks substantially bigger than mine. I know this by comparing them with the ones I lay but don't list here ... __________________ maria santonix #1753

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Hence I don't think anyone can begrudge Little Bo Peep ending her thread as and when she promissed, since it is now how she earns her living. :'( The info picked up on staking plans alone should ensure many others who have followed or are recently new to the thread will take away something of value that can be used to hopefully follow some way in Maria's footsteps - at least that's my cunning plan BlackAdder! ;D __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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Yep The Saint is right. The staking method really is the clever bit and the detail in which Maria describes it on the first few pages makes it completely idiot-proof. And I should know, I'm one of them. Anyone really can come up with a selection 'system' or 'method', it's just a quick google and a bit of research away, and it's probably best to do so in my opinion. A good result achieved via someone elses method, and don't get me wrong here it is nice, doesn't necessarily give total satisfaction and can feel a bit hollow if you ask me. Moreover, any bad results and you're left cursing the person and kicking yourself for piling in on their advice. :-X :-[ Such is life. The best bet is to Do It Yourself and that way you've only got yourself to blame. Another key point that has been made elsewhere is the obvious fact that when laying a horses, all other horses are running for you, effectively meaning you've backed every other horse. It's really just what the b@$t@rd$ bookies do, only they have many, many more crafty methods ... suspicious withdrawals anyone??? ... and info than we humble punters can get our hands on

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score ??? :-\ :'( Sorry to rub it in but I wish I had got a piece once it had been Maria'd (TM) D'oh!! :P #1755 08-16-2006, 07:50 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 292 ...

Opera Music 2.30 Salisbury ... 10/1, 11.0, £260.33 Mobane Flyer 2.40 Beverley ... 15/2, 8.2, £260.33 Diamond Light 3.00 Salisbury ... 5/2, 3.45, £650.84 Caribbean Coral 3.10 Beverley ... 11/2, 7.2, £390.50 Peggy's Flower 3.20 Yarmouth ... 11/2, 6.9, £390.50 Danger Alley 3.20 Yarmouth ... 5/4, 2.5, £650.84 Alfie Tupper 3.30 Salisbury ... 9/2, 4.3, £390.50 Lyrical Sound 3.30 Salisbury ... 6/1, 5.76, £390.50 Fun Time 3.50 Yarmouth ... 13/2, 7.4, £390.50 Carlton Scroop 4.10 Beverley ... non-runner ... Mister Fizzbomb 4.10 Beverley ... non-runner ... Tumpuluna 4.20 Yarmouth ... non-runner ... Border Artist 4.50 Yarmouth ... 10/3, 5.0, £390.50 Pink Bay 5.00 Salisbury ... 4/1, 5.7, £390.50 Red River Rebel 5.10 Beverley ... 5/1, 7.4, £390.50 Dance A Daydream 5.10 Beverley ... 5/1, 7.0, £390.50 Ruling Reef 5.20 Yarmouth ... 8/1, 10.7 (ave), £260.33 Prince of The May 5.20 Yarmouth ... 5/1, 7.1 (ave), £390.50

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Master of Destiny 5.30 Sandown ... 4/1, 4.1, £390.50 Our Mary 5.45 Hamilton ... 7/1 op 6/1, 7.4, £390.50 Matsunosuke 6.00 Sandown ... 7/1, 10.5, £260.33 Little Edward 6.00 Sandown ... 12/1, 8.4, £260.33 Namid Reprobate 7.05 Sandown ... 8/1, 10.0, £260.33 Apsara 7.20 Hamilton ... 9/2, 7.0, £390.50 Compton Classic 7.50 Hamilton ... 7/1, 11.0, £260.33 Dulce Sueno 7.50 Hamilton ... 7/1, 10.5, £260.33 Don Pietro 8.05 Sandown ... 7/1, 9.0, £260.33

Comments: My throat is miles better, at least, and this is the main thing. I have treated it today to plenty of fruit-juice (stung a bit) and veg-juice and not too much smoke, and this has all done the trick nicely ... Some of my "evening prices" probably look awful, but I went out for a couple of hours (and got away with it) ... Today's takings here are £7295.81 (and that's £7679.81 less 5% commission); and I lost £2538.26 on the winners, but that still leaves a net profit of £4757.55 on the day (and that's 7.37%!), so the bank is now £69314.83, which is a new high, so tomorrow the stakes will be £693.14, £415.88 and £277.25 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £4757.55 Tomorrow's bank: £69314.83 Tomorrow's stakes: £693.14, £415.88 and £277.25 Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.37% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 40.33% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2210.49% Today's strike-rate: 22 wins from 24 selections = 91.67 August strike-rate: 249 wins from 286 selections = 87.06% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3376 wins from 3943 selections = 85.62%

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08-16-2006, 08:52 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

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Maria,

Followed your tips today, thanks for sharing them with us. Gumbo #1757

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Hi again, Peteinthefulwel, thanks for delurking here and sorry I couldn't reply at greater length before ... I think the "you never see a broke bookie" is more or less how I feel about laying, I must say. The thing is to have your edge, however small it is, and just keep exercising it as often as possible with as much activity and turnover as possible as long as a "freak bad run" won't wipe you out, and compound the profits up as much as you can. I will say again what I always say in contexts like this, that I think people betting nearly always overestimate what they can do quickly but underestimate what they can do slowly. Contrary to the impression given by the dates and some of the lightheartedness of the thread, I have actually done this "£3000 to £70000" slowly: it has taken me 4000 bets to get there, and that's been 4000 bets with planning, care and attention ... if you were having a couple of bets a day as some punters so, that's the equivalent of over 5 years! ...

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(Now that I've described it as "£3000 to £70000" you can be pretty sure that I'll promptly lose £10000+ of it over the last couple of weeks! There: that should put anyone off following for the moment!) ... I'm intrigued by your "venture", of course, but not sure I would fancy frequenting a bookie's ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by peteinthefulwell I can't wait for you to stop posting

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Originally Posted by peteinthefulwell Unlucky with Border Artist today Maria Well, it turned out my friend Bullseye had a bet on it ... I can't complain about 2 cheapish winners out of 24 when Bullseye has had a bet on one of them anyway, to be honest ... I was more upset about the 3 non-runners! ... __________________ maria santonix #1758

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Hi again Maria Quote:

thanks for delurking here and sorry I couldn't reply at greater length before ... No problem and ... no problem. Delurking, I like it! ;D Quote:

I was more upset about the 3 non-runners! ...

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Tell me about it. Non-runners are the bane of my life. I am convinced, in fact I have it on good authority that, ahem, the bookies may not be averse to finding ways of getting horses withdrawn. That's about as safe a way I can put it without getting libelous :-X. Withdrawals can subsequently be a very expensive (or cheap) thing depending which way you look at it. Quote:

I'm intrigued by your "venture", of course I can't take any credit unfortunately as it's my Uncle's brainchild. Suffice to say I think there are likely to be a number of people doing it and it's as effective as it is brilliant. I guess I'm just lucky he got me involved. Quote:

but not sure I would fancy frequenting a bookie's ... This is a big negative however as I'm sure you will agree, one that is having an increasingly detrimental effect on my mental and physical wellbeing! :'( Apart from having to deal with the occasional psychopath local character and irate bookies as I part them of their cash :P ;D, I also believe I am developing bronchitis at the age of 24!!! Quote:

The thing is to have your edge, however small it is, and just keep exercising it as often as possible with as much activity and turnover as possible Couldn't agree with you more on this, in fact we have a saying between us that goes something very similar. Quote:

compound the profits up as much as you can. Absolutely. In the words of somebody famous ... "Mo money, Mo money, Mo money". Quote:

(Now that I've described it as "£3000 to £70000" you can be pretty sure that I'll promptly lose £10000+ of it over the last couple of weeks! I am pretty sure, and certainly hope, that you won't. You don't make it this far by having serious flaws in your system and barring a kiss of death from me I see lots of shopping bags and happy shoe-shop owners in your near future ;D Anyways, it's late so I'm off. Hope the throat is back to normal. All the best, Pete. #1759

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Just a quickie reply before I turn in myself ... Quote:

Originally Posted by peteinthefulwell I am convinced, in fact I have it on good authority that, ahem, the bookies may not be averse to finding ways of getting horses withdrawn. That's about as safe a way I can put it without getting libelous :-X. Withdrawals can subsequently be a very expensive (or cheap) thing depending which way you look at it. Indeed. I have steered much closer to the wind than you, I admit, though never naming names in specific instances, with some of what I have written here and (especially) in another forum about the "brown envelope syndrome" in which trainers of the occasional no-hoper find a way of paying the bills and large-scale layers find a way of avoiding their (usually) third-place liabilities. I do not require convincing of this; I require only to find non-defamatory ways of convincing others who (to me, astonishingly) seem still to have some unaccountable difficulty understanding what goes on, even when it's perfectly apparent to young, inexperienced, blonde women from other countries! ... >

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It seems to me that if you count the number of times 8 runners become 7 and compare it with the numbers of times that 9 runners become 8 and/or 7 runners become 6; and count the number of times that in handicaps 16 runners become 15 and compare it with the number of times that the same thing happens in nonhandicaps (and all of this is done, of course, and the information is available) it's all fairly unanswerable. But people who (for whatever reasons) choose to remain unaware of things like this will of course still believe that such things don't happen ...

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What actually interests me much more at the moment is the coincidental timing of fairly short-priced favourites and second-favourites apparently in with a good chance in a race who run well, genuinely do their very best to win, but can't quite manage it and instead of coming second as one might expect, unaccountably manage to come 4th in exactly those races in which disproportionately huge amounts of money are available at astonishingly good odds to back the place in the two minutes before the off. A remarkable coincidence indeed, and one about which much has been written elsewhere (and not all of it by me, although I do actually probably watch the markets as closely as anyone in this regard, with an increasingly horrified and astonished attitude). I believe that prosecutions will eventually become inevitable, which might clear the air a bit ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by peteinthefulwell Apart from having to deal with the occasional psychopath local character and irate bookies as I part them of their cash :P ;D, I also believe I am developing bronchitis at the age of 24!!!

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This would worry me greatly ... the part about the irate bookies, I mean. I would worry that they would show me the door. Even with my limited experience I know how easy it is to be shown the door by online bookies; I can't imagine that it's so much better in their shops, and probably a good deal less pleasant and convenient too ... ??? : Not that I'm suggesting the bronchitis must be a pleasure, either, although I'm not a non-smoker so I should probably say no more on this subject ...

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So this is what you have been winning all this money to buy ;D

WELL DONE Maria

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Ooooh, that's the one for me! Thank you, Amy ... ;D :-* __________________ maria santonix #1762

08-17-2006, 10:56 AM Join Date: Jul 2006

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"unaccountably manage to come 4th in exactly those races in which disproportionately huge amounts of money are available at astonishingly good odds to back the place in the two minutes before the off. A remarkable coincidence indeed," ;DHi Maria, would this not be the lay of the day,given that any positional "recommendations" :-X would be difficult to amend in the time available.On another note, I noticed in some recent posts proof that your time at Uni was not wasted,your subject choice of "Ye Olde Anglo-Saxon" ;D ;D has indeed proved to have been a wise choice,second only to "How to empty satchels big time" ;D ;D #1763

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Originally Posted by Paul would this not be the lay of the day,given that any positional "recommendations" :X would be difficult to amend in the time available. I'm not quite with you, Paul ... these are horses that are genuinely trying to win. They "unaccountably" come fourth (instead of second) when the jockey realises that it's not actually possible to win the race. Connections have backed the win and laid the place

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(and it's their place-laying in such size that can sometimes be identified as a highly unusual betting pattern on the exchanges) with the result that they have a no-lose bet as long as the horse doesn't come 2nd or 3rd. These are not horses one would want to lay, because they are trying to win. Unless I have misunderstood your question (always possible - sorry if so) ... ??? : "Ye Olde Anglo-Saxon" I picked up at an English-speaking school; I went to university in Latvian, but maths is its own language anyway! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1764

08-17-2006, 11:35 AM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Bit of misunderstanding on my part.From your reply,I think that if the horse cannot win and has to settle for 4th there would not be time to take advantage of the situation if one had identified some iffy laying, due to the fact that the end of the race could be seconds away. Does this make sense?. #1765

08-17-2006, 11:43 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Ah yes, I see exactly what you mean, sorry ... :-[ Yes, I'm sure that's right. I don't do in-running betting myself (my information and facilities are not fast and reliable enough), but I'm sure that for anyone this would often be a split-second business only in the very closing stages of a closely contested race, and probably not viable for in-running betting anyway. (And of course the place betting market is not available in running, anyway) ...

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I agree about the in running, I have never been able to get a bet matched in the latter stages,unless you have live feed(visual+audio) you are sunk.I listen to the sportlive commentary and the delay is so much that I know the winner from my Betfair screen although the commentary is still going on sometimes for 15/20 seconds afterwards. #1767

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Ceturtdiena, 17.augusts ... (also known as The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Third Day) ... I'm laying these ... Mr Maxim 2.10 Beverley ... Elisha 2.45 Beverley ... Rhinebird 3.15 Beverley ... My Petra 3.40 Salisbury ... Tarif 3.50 Beverley Killybegs 4.15 Salisbury ... Princess Ellis 4.25 Beverley ... Lucky Bee 4.25 Beverely ... Barathea Dreams 4.35 Sandown ... Impostor 5.10 Sandown ... La Via Ferrata 5.10 Sandown ... Kareeb 5.20 Salisbury ... And there'll be more along later in respect of the racing at Musselburgh and Cheppers

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... 8) Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1768

08-17-2006, 12:24 PM Join Date: Jul 2006

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Bet in running at your peril Paul - I know from bitter experience! Regards John #1769

08-17-2006, 12:48 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

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"brown envelope syndrome" Ah yes Ye Olde brown envelope syndrome. I have heard of this one too. Quote:

It seems to me that if you count the number of times 8 runners become 7 and compare it with the numbers of times that 9 runners become 8 and/or 7 runners become 6; and count the number of times that in handicaps 16 runners become 15 and compare it with the number of times that the same thing happens in nonhandicaps It certainly is amazing how often this happens, and like you say the seemingly disproportionate way it seems to affect 16 runner handicaps and 8 runner races, where the field becomes 15/7 with reduced place terms, and not other races.

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It strikes me the number of times a field of 18/19/20 handicappers can gradually become 15 then stop is more than coincidental. Ditto 8/9/10 becoming 7, then what do you know, no more withdrawals!! > Quote:

What actually interests me much more at the moment is the coincidental timing of fairly short-priced favourites and second-favourites apparently in with a good chance in a race who run well, genuinely do their very best to win, but can't quite manage it and instead of coming second as one might expect, unaccountably manage to come 4th in exactly those races in which disproportionately huge amounts of money are available at astonishingly good odds to back the place in the two minutes before the off. I admit I am no expert on this and you are sure to have more experience in studying the markets than I, but I do know what you mean. The only explanations I can think of are that, say a 15 runner handicap, if it becomes obvious to a jockey that his horse is not going to win, and if it does not make much difference coming 2nd or last, he may ease down so as to avoid a heavier penalty from the handicapper next time, avoiding a place in the process. Obviously this doesn't apply in all cases, and is in no way the definitive answer, just a thought someone mentioned elsewhere. In my own limited experience I have noticed that the number of times 'mysterious' things happen in racing is too frequent to be coincidence, and IMO casts a dark cloud over the whole thing, but I also know that if you spend enough of your time on something, and especially if your own money is involved, it's very easy to convince yourself that there are conspiracies against you everywhere and make yourself paranoid :-\ :-\

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This would worry me greatly I shouldn't worry Maria, occupational hazard I put it down to. I am exaggerating also, like anyone I hand over enough cash to the bookies to keep them happy (slightly less than I take out though, hopefully ;D) But yes I imagine being shown the door is a relatively easy thing to achieve and not something I either desire nor believe would be pleasant Quote:

I believe that prosecutions will eventually become inevitable, which might clear the air a bit ... I agree with you. As current HRA investigations show, things are happening, but I also feel that more have to follow so as to clean the whole thing up a bit, which can only be a good thing

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We live in a very corrupt world where, if you are honest, it is difficult to make money especially in sport where there are so many cheats and owners, jockeys and bookies can all be tarred with the same brush. Pete - A few years ago when i played football for Macclesfield, one of my friends and I used to train in the mornings and every afternoon except matchdays go to the bookies. He maintained that watching the horses was the only way to make money he didnt bother much with actual statistics but would watch every race and see how the individual horses performed. I stuck it with him for 3 months but gave up because of the smoke - going home coughing and spluttering every night with my clothes stinking. He still does that and now has a 5 bedroomed house in the country whereas I have a terrace in town. So I sympathise with you having to do that. One thing it did show me is that there is no easy way, as i am sure Maria would confirm, to make your fortune. Yes you can jump on the bandwagon like some on here but it doesnt last long and as you rightly say most of the satisfaction is in doing it yourself anyway. Personally, I feel I have worked hard for the money I have and noone but me is going to waste it. Everyone I know who has made money really has worked for it and making money on the horses is no exception. I have an american relative who writes novels and the effort he has put in over the years is phenomenal although now he is abest seller. So I wish you luck Pete in your venture and congratulate Maria on her achievement which I know will not have come easy. Grip

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Thank you, Grip ... yes, of course, I completely agree with you. It's incredibly hard work. I have, in my case, been particularly lucky to have had very good teaching (and from quite a young age!) from a very long-term successful punter who happened to be my father, an opportunity obviously not available to the overwhelming majority of

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punters. But it has also been very hard work, and very many years of it ... :-\ I think that a lot of people imagine that it's as easy as dreaming up a suitable system or method that works, and then just sticking to it. The reality is that that's terribly, terribly difficult to do, and things tend to have a limited shelf-life of viability and profitability anyway ... :P I think it's also very true that different styles and approaches suit different people. What many people are looking for, in my opinion, is (one way or another) a "shortcut" and there really aren't any. Or at least, the ones that do very occasionally arise are pretty difficult to identify and also not so easy for many people to follow (like this thread, perhaps!). But the reality is that many people find that when they follow a successful system, it isn't successful for them, because actually following a successful system is something that some people are (for various different reasons) not so well equipped to do ... :-\ The point I'm trying to build my way up to making here is that developing, analysing, researching and using "systems" (for the benefit of those of us who are not exactly steeped in racing, barely know one end of a horse from the other and have no real, on-the-ground experience at all), isn't in any way a "quick or lazy substitute" for all that knowledge and experience; it's every bit as time-consuming, difficult, specialised and labour-intensive as any other approach ... it just entails a different sort of work ... __________________ maria santonix #1772

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Originally Posted by Paul I agree about the in running, I have never been able to get a bet matched in the latter stages,unless you have live feed(visual+audio) you are sunk.I listen to the sportlive commentary and the delay is so much that I know the winner from my Betfair screen although the commentary is still going on sometimes for 15/20 seconds afterwards. Paul, I understand that in the "exchange offices" that offer a terminal for around £30 a day, they are getting "raw" SIS feed ( ie as seen on big screen at courses) this has no "SIS" logo and is apparently even quicker than normal SIS.

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Normal SIS ( as used in bookies offices, and identifiable by the SIS logo onscreen) is available to private individuals, but i think it costs over £6K per annum + VAT. Around 2 seconds faster than ATR pictures. ATR pics: if betting in running with these pics, you might as well do the lottery instead : #1773

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hi maria, you have mr converted and will try using your system and see how i get on. as told u before i will be doing golf, horse, and soccer. gripp, i do the ame as your friend on occasions and wait till they come out agin and back them if there is value. On of my selections i have picked was suppose to be running on Saturday but now he is not. Am very confident about this one!! #1774

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Originally Posted by supersavo Normal SIS ( as used in bookies offices, and identifiable by the SIS logo onscreen) is available to private individuals, but i think it costs over £6K per annum + VAT. Around 2 seconds faster than ATR pictures.

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Originally Posted by theking you have mr converted and will try using your system and see how i get on. as told u before i will be doing golf, horse, and soccer. I wish you every possible success with it, of course. If you are adapting my staking system as much as you suggested earlier and applying it to some completely different betting mediums, I would strongly advise you to monitor very carefully for at least one year to iron out all the undoubted complications and anomalies before trying it with money. I can think of absolutely no reason at all why it should work. Not trying to sound churlish, at all, and I wish you nothing but well, but really I would be astonished if you found that it happened to be viable or profitable for whatever you're looking at, as that would really be a very dramatic fluke indeed. It was developed over a two-year period with highly specialised relevance to this selection-system only. Naturally I will be intrigued to know how you get on, but please, please don't tell anyone that what you are using is a variation of "Maria's staking system": if you can make it work as you suggest, I'm entirely happy for the credit to be 100% yours! ... __________________ maria santonix #1775

08-17-2006, 04:10 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thursday evening ... The abandonment of Chepstow after heavy rain doesn't leave me so many to lay ...

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Gallantry 7.00 Musselburgh ... Defi 7.00 Musselburgh ... Gone Too Far 7.30 Musselburgh ... York Cliff 7.30 Musselburgh ... Flylowflylong 8.30 Musselburgh ... Elegant Times 8.30 Musselburgh ... Good luck! ... 8) __________________ maria santonix #1776

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Maria, I was directed to this thread from the Punter's Lounge. Can I just say how refreshing it is to see some one who is so successful and who has kept their promise for such a length of time. Like other people, I wish I had seen this earlier. In the past I have paid for tipsters and lay tipsters and their abilities leave much to be desired in comparison. Your thread is uplifting because I enjoy laying as opposed to backing and had come to the conclusion it was virtually impossible to make a profit in this way. I now feel inspired to try and develop my own system at some stage in the future when I have more time. Congratulations ,you have made some high profile services look very ordinary. I wish you luck in the future but it seems to me that luck has very little to do with it. #1777

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I agree with you entirely Maria that you and probably you alone would be able to work your system. There are many reasons but much can be put down to psychology - the human brain is a strange being - it does not always act in a logical disciplined way. Somedays it will be in perfect working order and on others it virtually ceases to function. That is without even mentioning the horses brain and what is going on inside there. Every system, whilst having definite rules will also have to a degree the judgement of the user. As yet there is no way anyone can tune into your brain although I am working on it! Grip #1778

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Results Update: day 293 ...

Mr Maxim 2.10 Beverley ... 5/1, 7.2, £415.88 Elisha 2.45 Beverley ... 11/1 op 10/1, 11.0, £277.25 Rhinebird 3.15 Beverley ... 8/1, 8.6, £277.25 My Petra 3.40 Salisbury ... 5/1, 6.4, £415.88 Tarif 3.50 Beverley 14/1 op 12/1, unmatched

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Killybegs 4.15 Salisbury ... 13/2 op 11/2, 7.2, £415.88 Princess Ellis 4.25 Beverley ... 10/1, 9.3 (ave), £277.25 Lucky Bee 4.25 Beverley ... 15/8, 2.72, £693.14 Barathea Dreams 4.35 Sandown ... 7/1 op 11/2, 6.8. £415.88 Impostor 5.10 Sandown ... 5/1, 7.0, £415.88 La Via Ferrata 5.10 Sandown ... 11/2, 7.4, £415.88 Kareeb 5.20 Salisbury ... 7/1, 5.5, £415.88 Gallantry 7.00 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 6.6, £415.88 Defi 7.00 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 9.4, £277.25

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Gone Too Far 7.30 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 7.2, £415.88 York Cliff 7.30 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 8.6, £277.25 Flylowflylong 8.30 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 7.2, £415.88 Elegant Times 8.30 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 10.0, £277.25

Comments: Elegant Times: I don't know whether I could have been matched at 7.4 here. I went out for some dinner and was matched at what now looks a rather embarrassing 10.0 before I left, which means my dinner might have cost about £140 extra! ... :-[ :-[ :-[ I had been going to lay some at Chepstow as well, this evening: Woolsey 6.10, Sensuous 6.40, Mannello 6.40, Macabre 7.10 and Elidore 8.10 ... :-\ Today's takings here are £5531.18 (and that's £5822.30 less 5% commission); and I somehow lost £1192.20 laying the wrong horse in a two-horse race, but that still leaves a net profit of £4338.98 on the day (not quite as good as yesterday or the day before but still +6.26%!), so the bank is now £73653.81, which is a new high, so tomorrow the stakes will be £736.53, £441.92 and £294.61 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £4338.98 Tomorrow's bank: £73653.81 Tomorrow's stakes: £736.53, £441.92 and £294.61 Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.26% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 49.12% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2355.13% Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 17 selections = 94.12 August strike-rate: 265 wins from 303 selections = 87.46% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3392 wins from 3960 selections = 85.66%

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Hello Iow, and welcome to EBA ... Quote:

Originally Posted by iow I now feel inspired to try and develop my own system at some stage in the future when I have more time. I have the feeling that you will do very well, Iow! ... you are not looking for the "short-cut something to follow and get rich quick" but to be able to develop something for yourself when you have the time ... you will be ok, and I'm glad you're here and I wish you well for the future! ... __________________ maria santonix #1780

08-17-2006, 08:37 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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I just so happened to lay the right one in your 2 horse race, so did very well from your selections. Unfortunately a few other of my other selections didn't come up to scratch (eg Rosies Result in the 2000 @ Musselborough, which if you get the chance to watch it should have been a void race anyway - regardless where did they dig that result from, and there was money for it just before the off!). So an excellent day became an OK day as it still ended in profit! 8) __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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Originally Posted by The Saint I just so happened to lay the right one in your 2 horse race Oooh, you did well there, Saint ... so did some people at Adrian's as well: I think I was probably the only person who got that one wrong! ...

Oh well ... no system is infallible ... 8) __________________ maria santonix #1782

08-17-2006, 11:34 PM Join Date: Aug 2006

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Hi Grip, cheers for the reply and many thanks for the good wishes. I am interested to hear you played for Macclesfield, how far did you get in the beautiful game? I'm a Sunderland fan for my sins. :-\ :'( I have also witnessed many footballers in the bookies...probably betting against themselves...

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enterprise is alive and kicking! But your totally right, we do live in a corrupt world, where greed breeds cheating and money rules. Sad but true. If you haven't already I recommend Killing Pablo by Mark Bowden, the guy who wrote Black Hawk Down. It's the ultimate example of how one man's thirst for money and power can corrupt not just a government but an entire country. It is unbelievable, quite simply. I also agree with your friend, following the horses is a method that seems to me both worthwhile and potentially profitable. One thing I have noticed is that when there has been a particularly big gamble on an otherwise obscure horse where the price has

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crashed, more often than not, unsurprisingly, it comes close to winning the race, if not actually doing so. Apparently Betfair is a good indicator of this, maybe as all the people 'in the know' dive in on course? This leads me to believe that there is certainly more to this game than first meets the eye. How do people 'know' the outcome of a race before it has begun, is it because connections know the jockey is actually going to be trying to win the race? Is it because they know theirs is the only horse not drugged up to the eyeballs?? Etc etc etc. It doesn't always happen of course, today for example there was a fairly big gamble on Gallantry in the 1900 - which I think opened at 8/1 but went off 5/1 2nd fav and came 2nd last!! The price on Betfair crumbled, but as I didn't get to see the race I don't know why the horse did so poorly. But the point I'm labouring to make is that horses where there has been a gamble usually run very well next time out, very often winning, perhaps giving credence to the assertion that watching the horses is the only way to make money, as it often it provides helpful clues to winners that otherwise would pass by unnoticed. I have seen this happen myself more times than I care to remember. All the best mate and good luck, Pete. #1783 08-18-2006, 12:00 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Sveiki! Piektdiena, 18.augusts ... ;D The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Fourth Day, if anyone is checking ... :-\ Eewwww ... Newbury and Newcastle and Newmarket all on the same day ... in my notes they are Nb and Nc and Nm but I can't always read my own notes so well ... I apologise in advance for any mistakes of location/time in today's selections but the horse's name shown below is definitely the one I am laying, wherever it might run (and if they go to the wrong place to run, all the more reason to lay them, in my view!) ... I am laying these ... A Nod And A Wink 1.20 Folkestone ... Epineuse 1.50 Folkestone ... Ellesappelle 3.00 Newcastle ... Mersey Sound 3.15 Newbury ... Miss Porcia 3.25 Folkestone ... Ruby Legend 3.35 Newcastle ... Breaking Shadow 4.10 Newcastle ...

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Peter Island 4.20 Newbury ... Sasetti 4.30 Folkestone ... Wild Academy 4.55 Newbury ... Nightstrike 5.05 Folkestone ... And some more later, if they are not all flooded out, probably at other places beginning with "New" as well ... ??? :

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Very good M

Brill

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08-18-2006, 03:40 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Friday evening lays ... Court of Appeal 5.40 Catterick ... Marmooq 5.55 Newmarket ... Fun Thai 6.10 Catterick ...

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Generist 6.10 Catterick ... Regime 6.30 Newmarket ... Asian Heights 7.35 Newmarket ... Lipizza 8.05 Newmarket ... Queen's Pudding 8.05 Newmarket ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1786

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Results Update: day 294 ...

A Nod And A Wink 1.20 Folkestone ... 15/2, 9.4, £294.61 Epineuse 1.50 Folkestone ... 8/1, op 11/2, 7.2, £441.92 Ellesappelle 3.00 Newcastle ... 8/1, 10.0, £294.61 Mersey Sound 3.15 Newbury ... 10/1 op 9/1, 11.0, £294.61 Miss Porcia 3.25 Folkestone ... 9/1, 11.0, £294.61 Ruby Legend 3.35 Newcastle ... 4/1, 5.3, £441.92 Breaking Shadow 4.10 Newcastle ... 7/1 op 11/2, 7.1 (ave), £441.92 Peter Island 4.20 Newbury ... non-runner ... Sasetti 4.30 Folkestone ...9/2, 6.2, £441.92 Wild Academy 4.55 Newbury ... 8/1, 10.7 (ave), £294.61 Nightstrike 5.05 Folkestone ... 2/1, 3.45, £736.53 Court of Appeal 5.40 Catterick ... 13/2, 7.4, £441.92 Marmooq 5.55 Newmarket ... 12/1, 10.0, £294.61

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Fun Thai 6.10 Catterick ... 12/1, 10.0, £294.61 Generist 6.10 Catterick ... 5/1, 6.8, £441.92 Regime 6.30 Newmarket ... 7/2, 3.0, £736.53 Asian Heights 7.35 Newmarket ... 13/2, 7.4, £441.92 Lipizza 8.05 Newmarket ... 8/1 op 7/1, 9.4, £294.61 Queen's Pudding 8.05 Newmarket ... 3/1, 4.6, £441.92

Comments: I could hardly believe Ellesappelle going in at 8/1. It's a good job we are nearing the end here, otherwise I would have to decide whether or not to omit all selections of the "Secret Flat System" from this thread. (Must admit that I would have laid it myself even if I hadn't included it here) ... Anyway, today's takings here are £6717.15 (and that's £7070.69 less 5% commission); and Ellesappelle at 10.0 cost me £2651.49 (ouch!), but that still leaves a net profit of £4065.66 on the day (not quite as good as yesterday or the day before but still +5.52%!), so the bank is now £77719.47, which is a new high, so on Sunday the stakes will be £777.19, £466.31 and £310.87 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £4965.66 Tomorrow's bank: £77719.47 Tomorrow's stakes: £777.19 £466.31 and £310.87 Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.52% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 57.35% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2490.65% Today's strike-rate: 17 wins from 18 selections = 94.44% August strike-rate: 282 wins from 321 selections = 87.85% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3409 wins from 3978 selections = 85.7%

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08-18-2006, 08:25 PM

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No laying selections here on Saturday. I won't pretend that I'm travelling (not without hand-luggage! ... ) but it's a good run and I can do without a dodgy Saturday with dodgy going making a hole in it, and I'm lazy anyway and taking a sneaky day off, sorry ... :-[ :

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Taking a day off after making £4K profit in a day? Pah! you must be buying cheapo shoes to afford a day off is my only comment!

Tommy Balls superstore by any chance? ;D __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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Originally Posted by The Saint Tommy Balls superstore by any chance?

See you there, Saint. Usual time? (It's not in Ballinrobe, I hope and trust?) ... __________________ maria santonix #1790

08-18-2006, 11:02 PM Join Date: Oct 2005

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It would be interesting to see if you hit the 100k mark before the time is up! Go Maria! Go Go Maria! 8) :P

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I think Maria has said on far too many occassions now that the tips will end at the end of the month, as it is now how she earns her living. To continue to ask her to reconsider, or to perhaps charge, is in my own opinion now getting quite rude, as she has stated they will stop and given perfectly acceptable reasons on far too many occassions. Let the boards best thread end gracefully and profitably over the next few weeks, with heart felt congratulations and thank yous, rather than what has become the British norm of churlishness and selfishness. :'( __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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Well said the saint... Maria has given a strategy thats superbly simple and people still want more

Maria, i have arrived late at ur party (I always miss the boat :

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I have 1 question???? In ur humble opinion would your staking plan work on "any" lay system that had a strike rate of 85% between the odds of 5 and 20 digital? Of course a little luck along the way helps. I dont believe ur staking plan is an intrinsic part of your selection process, but i stand to be corrected. Well done again and dont let the fame go to ur head, well ok just a little bit then ;D and above all take a nice break and enjoy.... munch

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08-19-2006, 10:22 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi Munchy, and welcome; (and thank you) ... Quote:

Originally Posted by munchy In ur humble opinion would your staking plan work on "any" lay system that had a strike rate of 85% between the odds of 5 and 20 digital? I think that if your selections are going up to 20.0, you'll need quite a bit higher strike-rate than 85% to make a profit out of any staking system ... But I'd guess (and it honestly is only a guess) that this sort of staking would work on "any" laying system that was profitable at fixed liability to start with and had selections prices from odds-on to 11.0. And I use only a slight variation of it for my "other selections" up to about 15.5/16.0 as well; yes, (but they have a higher strikerate, of course) ... 8) I don't believe that this (or any) staking system will necessarily turn profitable a system that doesn't make fixed stake profits to start with ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by munchy Well done again and dont let the fame go to ur head Thank you, but don't worry: it goes mostly to my feet ... ;D I like the way that everyone's congratulating me when I still have maybe 12 laying days left here: you have seen me lose 14% of the bank in a day (I think?) ... just imagine what damage I can between now and the end of the month ... __________________ maria santonix #1804

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Ok that makes sense, thanx. By the way, dont worry i havent jinxed you, i was only giving congrats for your efforts to date ;D As you say, plenty of time for it to go pear shaped... eeeeeekkkkk Actually that brings up a serious point, do you have an exit strategy? How much are you prepared to lose down the stretch?? #1805

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Dear Maria, I have noticed that you actually quote your next stakes which include fractions of a pound. Now I assume we just 'up it' to the nearest pound unless Betfair take fractions at higher levels laying/betting? This has perplexed me in the past, as quite often only a proportion of my bet has been matched, for example, 25.45 and not 30.00 (matched later on). However, when I have tried to bet by putting on something like 27.50, then it has been refused. So, they can take but not give apparently. Anyone know why or should I have been more studiously interested in reading their rules? Good luck today Maria although we all know you do not need it. All the best and may you always put your best shoe forward! John #1806 08-20-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by munchy Actually that brings up a serious point, do you have an exit strategy? How much are you prepared to lose down the stretch?? I don't know the "stretch" idiom, but if I ever lost 35% of the bank, I would reduce the stakes significantly ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by JonHig I have noticed that you actually quote your next stakes which include fractions of a pound. Now I assume we just 'up it' to the nearest pound unless Betfair take fractions at higher levels laying/betting? Betfair takes any amount you like (above the minimum bet-size). I admit that I increase it to the nearest round number (sometimes a pound, sometimes five pounds, sometimes ten pounds) but I work out the results shown each day on the exact amounts shown as stakes, rounding all takings down to the nearest penny and all losses up to the nearest penny. This actually makes quite a big difference to the results, of course, and is part of how I've been living on this without apparently withdrawing money from the bank (i.e. I have actually been withdrawing money all the time) ... :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by JonHig This has perplexed me in the past, as quite often only a proportion of my bet has been matched, for example, 25.45 and not 30.00 (matched later on). Yes indeed; this often happens ... if you're putting your bet on unmatched (which of course is the right thing to do, to let others take your price rather than taking theirs this makes a huge difference to the overall results) ... :-\

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Originally Posted by JonHig However, when I have tried to bet by putting on something like 27.50, then it has been refused. I am baffled. I have never encountered this. I can put on any amount (above the minimum, obviously, but the minimum is only £2). What exactly happens when you

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are "refused"? Do you get an error message of some sort, and what does it say? ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by JonHig All the best and may you always put your best shoe forward!

Thank you very much, and very good luck to you also! ... __________________ maria santonix #1807

08-20-2006, 11:51 AM Join Date: Jun 2006

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I have never known a more accommodating threadster than you Maria. You have been an absolute diamond. Discovering you long after you were up and running, I have not been able to take full advantage of your brilliant selections. I wish you nothing but success in the future, you will be missed by one and all. Good luck #1808

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Very wise Maria to take Saturday off. Pete, if you are still out there, thanks for the book recommendation - I will certainly get hold of a copy. I played for Macc for 4 years but was let go after that. I wasnt really good enough so went to College and played football just at amateur level.- I didnt tell the whole truth because the first 3 years we were non league so only part time. My mate John and I worked on the post so started at 5 and finished by midday

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so then straight to the bookies. Similarly when we went full time we trained in the mornings so still had the afternoon to watch the actual races. There is no doubt racing is corrupt in parts and that was one reason John always maintained you had to be watching the horses to see which ones were being ridden out to their best. He would never back a horse he hadnt watched at least twice before. I do think Pete whatever your approach you will do better if you do watch them - also it is good crack being in the bookies rather in front of the computer at home but I just couldnt stand the smoke. But even watching with John and listening to his comments I could never do as well as he did. That is my comment about systems that whatever the set rules are, success still depends to some degree on judgement i.e on how your brain is working and no 2 brains work alike! That is why I made an earlier comment about the only way you could actually make Maria's system work successfully is by being inside her brain which is obviously impossible and sounded a bit of a pervy comment but wasnt meant to be. In other words even if she published the system it would still almost certainly only work for her. I do think, however, by following this thread you can learn a lot. Perhaps the biggest thing for me is not the staking system but the pure volume of bets. I think you said Maria it is over 4000 in the year which is phenomenal and thereby the amount of work involved equally so. Grip #1809

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Thank you Maria - again and again! I can't remember what they said - it was some time ago but I will try it again and see what happens this time. Maybe it was the halfpenny that scuppered things! John #1810

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The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Fifth Day ... Sunday ... Potts of Magic 2.10 Newton Abbot ... Darjeeling 2.10 Newton Abbot ... Pegasus Dancer 2.20 Pontefract ... Play Master 2.40 Newton Abbot ... Fisher Bridge 3.00 Bath ... Thewhirlingdervish 3.20 Pontefract ... Rose Bien 3.20 Pontefract ... Ollie George 3.30 Bath ... Tevere 3.40 Newton Abbot ... Dancing Storm 4.00 Bath ... Sungates 4.10 Newton Abbot ... Snow Crystal 4.20 Pontefract ... Advancement 4.20 Pontefract ... Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix

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Results Update: day 295 ...

Potts of Magic 2.10 Newton Abbot ... 11/4, 3.7, £466.31 Darjeeling 2.10 Newton Abbot ... 4/1, 5.4, £466.31 Pegasus Dancer 2.20 Pontefract ... 7/1, 7.4, £466.31 Play Master 2.40 Newton Abbot ... 3/1, 4.8, £466.31 Fisher Bridge 3.00 Bath ... 9/1, 8.6, £310.87 Thewhirlingdervish 3.20 Pontefract ... 8/1, 11.0, £310.87 Rose Bien 3.20 Pontefract ... 6/1, 7.4, £466.31

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Ollie George 3.30 Bath ... 5/1, 7.4, £466.31 Tevere 3.40 Newton Abbot ... 8/1, 8.8, £310.87 Dancing Storm 4.00 Bath ... 6/1, 9.0, £310.87 Sungates 4.10 Newton Abbot ... 6/1 op 4/1, 5.6, £466.31 Snow Crystal 4.20 Pontefract ... 5/1, 7.1 (ave), £466.31 Advancement 4.20 Pontefract ... 10/1 op 9/1, 11.0, £310.87

Comments: Pegasus Dancer: I'm afraid that yet again I managed to lay the only winner at absolutely the most expensive price possible for the system. Hoping that others did relatively better here with a slightly higher or slightly lower price: nobody did worse than me on this one anyway - that I can guarantee! I may be making some money here at the moment, but I'm certainly doing myself the maximum possible damage with the damn winners ... Today's takings are £4577.59 (and that's £4818.52 less 5% commission); and Pegasus Dancer at an expensive 7.4 cost me £2984.39, and that leaves a net profit of £1593.18 on the day (+2.05%), so the bank is now £79312.65, which is a new high, so on Monday the stakes will be £793.12, £475.87 and £317.25 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £1593.18 Tomorrow's bank: £79312.65 Tomorrow's stakes: £793.12, £475.87 and £317.25 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.05% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 60.57% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2543.75% Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31% August strike-rate: 294 wins from 334 selections = 88.02% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3421 wins from 3991 selections = 85.72%

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Hi Maria, Our respective selection methods seem to have an unerring ability to select unlikely winners. Today we overlapped on Pegasus Dancer and on Friday it was Ellesappelle. I see what you mean about your selections drifting. I did my selections very late today and ended up laying Pegaus Dancer at 10.0, just before the off (I see you got 7.4). Whilst I like to compare your selections to my own, I have to say I think I'll be glad when we get to the end of August. I might just get some decent prices again. ;D Thanks for sharing all this with us. Actually, I''ll be sorry to see the end of such an informative and entetaining thread, but I can see that, for you, its run its course. #1813

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Originally Posted by Dillon I see what you mean about your selections drifting. I did my selections very late today and ended up laying Pegaus Dancer at 10.0, just before the off (I see you got 7.4). Oooh, 10.0 was certainly very late ... mind you, even that would have saved me something ... Ellesappelle I perhaps shouldn't have laid anyway ... still thinking about that one ... ??? Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dillon Whilst I like to compare your selections to my own, I have to say I think I'll be glad when we get to the end of August. I might just get some decent prices again. ;D

Yes, indeed ... not long to go ... I still don't know if my flood of PM's from people not understanding why I won't make them available by email if I don't want to post them on the board will get bigger or smaller, though. I'm really sorry, but I can't really explain it any differently from how I've explained it in earlier replies in this thread ... it relates to exactly the point that Dillon and I are discussing here: it becomes almost impossible to lay them if too many people are trying because the prices drift too much. That's how exchanges work. The price is determined by buying pressure and selling pressure. It's the imbalance between them that moves prices. Sorry! ... :-[ __________________ maria santonix #1814

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Hi Maria, Sorry to hear you have been inundated with PMs, - you have made it very clear why you cant continue to post, and most of us understand that, even if we've only just discovered your thread. People should be grateful for the tips you have given them already. Not everybody would be willing to post their profitable tips, even for a limited amount of time. Personally im gratefeful to all the guys and gals out there who share their knowledge with others. I wondered if I could ask a very general question about your system (please feel free to say no) - is your system based on your own knowledge, experience and intuition, or is it a statistical / computing based system? I'm very new to betting, and wondered if its best to just build a knowledge of horses / jockeys / racehorses,etc or whether I should be aiming to carry out statistical / data analysis. If you can offer any advice, thank you. Best wishes for the future. #1815

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How DO you solve a problem like Maria???????? Is there an Andrew LLoyd Webber amongst us? #1816

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People out there just wanting something for nothing, I guess, Maria. This is your method, you've invested time and effort in it, proved it, and you're free to do whatever you like with it. I would do exactly the same in your position; in fact, I've have done it sooner. I've only followed your thread very recently, and what struck me was the openness, good humour and integrity you've displayed throughout. Plus the sheer hard work you've put into it. Not many people would have done that and stuck with it. Its a credit to you. regards #1817

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Many thanks for the supportive posts, gentlemen, much appreciated ... 8) Quote:

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Originally Posted by gumbo is your system based on your own knowledge, experience and intuition, or is it a statistical / computing based system? Oooh, you've no idea how flattered I am, Gumbo ... the truth is that my "knowledge and experience" are pretty limited and you wouldn't want to touch any selections on that basis ... It's all statistical, really, even the "superficially-might-look-like-knowledge-andexperience" parts of it ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbo I'm very new to betting, and wondered if its best to just build a knowledge of horses / jockeys / racehorses,etc or whether I should be aiming to carry out statistical / data analysis. If you can offer any advice, thank you. I honestly can't; I'm sorry ... I wish I could ... but I have just done what suited me and what I was guided to do ... unlike most people who are interested in betting on horses, I never really had the facility to develop much "racing knowledge" so I really don't know enough it to advise anyone ... I'm only a mathematician/statistician and don't really know about anything else ... but there are plenty of people here who are miles better qualified than I am to advise anyone, really ... :-X __________________ maria santonix #1818

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Hi Grip, cheers for the reply, Yep all of what you say makes sense mate, the bit about watching the horses at least twice especially. Unless it's a Maiden 2 yr olds race with a couple of newcomers as with Pegasus Dancer then it's not always possible! :-X :-[ Hi Maria, had a good result with that one personally, just thought you'd like to know! Sorry to rub it in but you won over a grand today so you can't complain too much ;D Quote:

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sounded a bit of a pervy comment but wasn't meant to be Don't think so, I got what you meant and agree. If you said you had a shoe fetish and wanted to spend a weekend with Maria and her shoes in a hotel that would have been fairly pervy..! On reflection I think I probably sounded like I was underestimating the effort Maria has obviously put in when I implied it's easy to come up with a selection system. What I meant was that anyone should be capable of doing what Maria does providing the time and effort required is put in, which based on the 4000+ selections in under a year is obviously a pretty phenomenal amount. In a roundabout way I was trying to say that me personally I think everyone should be able to come up with their own horses to lay and live or die by them, not rely on her, which if going by what has been said on here lately seems to be fairly unrealistic. If she can do it then I don't see any reason why others can't. But then again they do have a TV program about being called Maria and solving problems so what do I know, maybe I'm wrong and she is in fact a superbeing and her name gives her superhuman powers.

Who knows??? ??? : I still believe the staking plan is the genius bit, in fact I still don't fully understand it. I get the ratchet part and increases/decreases as the bank increases/decreases, but I get lost with the 'fixed liability' bit. Maria, how is it fixed liability? Doesn't your liability vary with the odds you have laid at? I.e. for arguments sake stake £10 at 5.0 is liability of £40 but stake £10 at 5.5 is £45.

Or is it referring to the fact you have three bands of stake amounts according to what the price is and therefore have fixed liability within those price ranges? God reading that back I've confused myself and I just wrote it that's why you gotta respect the succinct way it has been explained. And lastly if you are getting lots of messages you should just ignore them now. I'm sure everyone thinks you've explained your position more than clearly enough on here. I am amazed you still put them up with the effect I have witnessed it have. All the best and good luck everyone Pete #1819

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For the most part I think and hope that I sound more or less like anyone else on here, but some language things and some cultural references I still just don't get. When these happen, I have various resources available to me to try to resolve the problem. I can ask someone (e.g. my father - he has lived in London for about 4 years now and knows a lot of stuff anyway), or try Google, or just ignore the comment and see if it bounces back again (it did this time) ... anyway, you get the idea: however "competent" I might manage to appear, sometimes I just don't quite know what people are talking about and therefore how to respond to it ... People having a shoe fetish is not a problem to me ... anyone can have good taste, after all ... but these comments about a TV program and someone called Maria and solving problems ... what on earth is this all about? ... __________________ maria santonix #1820

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It's (yet another) program where people phone in and vote for something that they think is good and basically get ripped off cos they are fixed as well!!! Pretty fitting for a horse racing thread. It's based around on a film called Mary Poppins (about a childrens nanny called Maria who had magical powers and starred Julie Andrews and Dick van Dyke and Alan Shearer had a cameo I believe) and is on BBC1 on Saturday nights. I don't watch it myself but I've seen adverts and heard various things. I wrote my message this afternoon but got distracted by the cricket and forgot to post it just incase anyone thinks I copied!

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Originally Posted by maria Many thanks for the supportive posts, gentlemen, much appreciated ... 8) Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbo is your system based on your own knowledge, experience and intuition, or is it a statistical / computing based system? Oooh, you've no idea how flattered I am, Gumbo ... the truth is that my "knowledge and experience" are pretty limited and you wouldn't want to touch any selections on that basis ... It's all statistical, really, even the "superficially-might-look-like-knowledge-andexperience" parts of it ... : Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbo I'm very new to betting, and wondered if its best to just build a knowledge of horses / jockeys / racehorses,etc or whether I should be aiming to carry out statistical / data analysis. If you can offer any advice, thank you. I honestly can't; I'm sorry ... I wish I could ... but I have just done what suited me and what I was guided to do ... unlike most people who are interested in betting on horses, I never really had the facility to develop much "racing knowledge" so I really don't know enough it to advise anyone ... I'm only a mathematician/statistician and don't really know about anything else ... but there are plenty of people here who are miles better qualified than I am to advise anyone, really ... :-X Hi Maria, Thanks for your comments, theyre very much appreciated. You're an inspiration to us all! Gumbo #1822 08-21-2006, 08:44 AM Join Date: Jul 2006

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A bit late answering Wizard. No, I do not think there is a ALW amongst us, but once upon a time there was a man called Leonard Bernstein who wrote one of the loveliest songs ever....Maria!! All the best John #1823

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I was just thinking........ If your selections continue to drift in price the way they currently seem to, following value principles, some of them will actually make decent backs. ;D #1824

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... especially the ones that go on and win! ROFL

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Oooh, thank you for the Culture/Media lesson ...

Pirmdiena, The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Sixth Day ... I'm laying these ... :-\ Gazboolou 2.00 Ayr ... Hi Dancer 2.30 Ayr ... Moonlight Fantasy 2.30 Ayr ... Inch High 3.05 Ayr ... Jarro 4.55 Newton Abbot ... Master T 4.55 Newton Abbot ... One More Than Ten 5.10 Ayr ... Martharum 5.10 Ayr ... Red Bells 5.25 Newton Abbot ... And more later from Windsor and Yarmouth ... 8) Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1826

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nice start maria

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Ooooh, lucky start: it makes a change from all those dispiriting days where the first one goes straight in! Long way to go, though, still scope for plenty of trouble! ...

:-\ :-X

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Maria would you mind if I posted my days lays in this thread. My lays are almost never the same as your lays. High strike rate, some people may like to use my lays along side your lays to maximise profits over the next week or so sent you a PM, in amongst the begging PMs etc.

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Hi Dreamspec, your lays deserve their own thread, I'm sure! ... Honestly, that would be more convenient for them, and for mine; both in the shortterm and longer-term too ... :-X Thank you for your PM; I will find it and reply, of course (actually I reply to all, and I now have a pre-written and pastable reply to the "Why don't you set up a tipping service?" question) ... and my apologies in advance if it takes a little longer than we would both wish ... : Meanwhile, I offer you Ye Olde Mondayye Evening Layyes for Ye Windsor and Ye Yarmouth, and a bit ambitious they somehow look, too, but then nobody said it would be a "clear day"! ... Distant Stars 5.30 Windsor ... Funwair Wane 6.00 Windsor ... Stunningjo 6.20 Yarmouth ... Queen Cobra 6.30 Windsor ... Blue Aura 6.30 Windsor ... Lii Najma 6.50 Yarmouth ... Falmassim 6.50 Yarmouth ... Mocha Java 6.50 Yarmouth ... Congressional 7.00 Windsor ... Kindlelight Debut 7.00 Windsor ... All Quiet 7.00 Windsor ... Escape Clause 7.30 Windsor ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1830

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That was a very nicely handled reply to Dr Watever Maria - I feel sure some of us (males in particular) would have been less courteous!

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Originally Posted by JonHig That was a very nicely handled reply to Dr Watever Maria - I feel sure some of us (males in particular) would have been less courteous! Im not into thread hi-jacking, hence why I asked. I think you will find that I WAS courteous...... Why would it require a less courteous responce? #1832

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Originally Posted by JonHig I feel sure some of us (males in particular) would have been less courteous! Oooh, well, one doesn't always expect men to be too courteous, you know ... but I still like some of them anyway ... ??? ;D : __________________ maria santonix #1833

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You are doing superb Maria

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Hi Maria I wouldn't like you to finish this thread and go away with the thought that the 'Maria' programme on BBC on Sat nights is about Mary Poppins. It is, of course, the Maria from the Sound of Music that they are trying to cast for a new stage show!! Thanks again for a wonderful (nearly) year. Acolite #1835

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Ooooh, thank you ... to be honest, I have not ever seen either, so the difference is not really appreciated here! But always good to know ... :-[

Results Update: day 296 ...

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Gazboolou 2.00 Ayr ... 7/4, 2.5, £793.12 Hi Dancer 2.30 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £475.87 Moonlight Fantasy 2.30 Ayr ... 9/1, 10.5, £317.25 Inch High 3.05 Ayr ... 4/1, 6.8, £475.87 Jarro 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 9.2, £317.25 Master T 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 12/1, 11.0, £317.25 One More Than Ten 5.10 Ayr ... 16/1, unmatched ...

... not counted in results ...

Martharum 5.10 Ayr ... 10/1, 11.0, £317.25 Red Bells 5.25 Newton Abbot ... 5/1!, 3.8, £475.87 Distant Stars 5.30 Windsor ... 11/2, 7.0, £475.87 Funwair Wane 6.00 Windsor ... 3/1, 3.8, £475.87 Stunningjo 6.20 Yarmouth ... 13/2, 9.2, £317.25 Queen Cobra 6.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.8, £317.25 Blue Aura 6.30 Windsor ... 4/1, 5.2, £475.87 Lii Najma 6.50 Yarmouth ... 3/1, 3.7, £475.87 Falmassim 6.50 Yarmouth ... 4/1, 5.3, £475.87 Mocha Java 6.50 Yarmouth ... 8/1, 8.0, £317.25 Congressional 7.00 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.2, £475.87 Kindlelight Debut 7.00 Windsor ... 15/2, 9.0, £317.25 All Quiet 7.00 Windsor ... 9/2, 5.9, £475.87 Escape Clause 7.30 Windsor ... 11/2, 6.6, £475.87

Comments: The selections didn't do quite so well today, but in a sense the staking system had a good day, anyway ... :-\ And that takes us up to just over 4,000 selections for the year, with still a few days left to go ... Red Bells: very disappointing - drifted and drifted and drifted and drifted and then

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won. When I posted the selections, I was actually envisaging that it would be layable under the 3.5 cut-off - but not quite (well, some traded there but not a fortune) ... :-\ Funfair Wane: another one that wouldn't quite come under the cut-off for any realistic amount of money ... : Today's takings are £6931.86 (and that's £7296.70 less 5% commission); but three losers cost me £5551.84 (and today, to be honest, it could have been worse), and that leaves a net profit of £1380.02 on the day (+1.74%), so the bank is now £80692.67, which is a new high, so on Tuesday the stakes will be £806.92, £484.15 and £322.77 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £1380.02 Tomorrow's bank: £80692.67 Tomorrow's stakes: £806.92, £484.15 and £322.77 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.74% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 63.37% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2589.76% Today's strike-rate: 18 wins from 21 selections = 85.71% August strike-rate: 312 wins from 355 selections = 87.89% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3439 wins from 4012 selections = 85.72%

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I wouldn't like you to finish this thread and go away with the thought that the 'Maria' programme on BBC on Sat nights is about Mary Poppins. It is, of course, the Maria from the Sound of Music that they are trying to cast for a new stage show!! Thanks again for a wonderful (nearly) year. Acolite Oh yes of course my mistake sorry :-X :-[ I knew it was one of the two. Had a very bad two days can't pick a winner to save my life. I'm off to find the nearest cliff....... #1837

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Hi Maria First of all, congratulations on such a succesful thread. I'm sorry if this has been asked before, I've not read the whole thread yet, but is there a reasoning behind your price limits, i.e. upto 3.5, 3.6 to 7.4, 7.5 to 11. Are they linked to strike rate, average SP etc The reason I ask is that I am thinking of trying your staking plan, and the selections I use have a lower average SP than your own, so was wondering if I needed to adjust the price limits down. Any advice appreciated. Jeff #1838

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Hi Jeff, welcome to EBA ... I need to answer your interesting question later in the day ... just a bit busy today: dentist, shoes, car problem, etc. ... will get back to you later ... This afternoon's (few) selections coming up in a minute ... :-\ __________________ maria santonix #1839

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Otrdiena, 22.augusts ... also known as The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Seventh-Day (doesn't time fly when you are enjoying yourself?) ... Rarely, if ever, were so few laid by so many (am I allowed to say that here?) ... ??? Quiddity 2.00 Brighton ... Altilhar 4.15 Brighton ... Silent Storm 4.50 Brighton ... River Falcon 5.10 York ... Ballybunion 5.20 Brighton ... I think I ought to comment that there are not "so few selections today because I'm busy" ... I have just chosen this afternoon to be busy with some fairly flexible things because there happen for no particular reason to be so few afternoon selections ... There'll be more later for Worcester and Perth, even if not Sligo ... 8) Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1840

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Altilhar was a bit unpleasant this afternoon ... that's twice in the last week that a "Secret Flat System" selection has also been a lay selection, and both times they've won ... the most annoying thing being that that system isn't even a profitable one to follow at the moment! ... I think that probably means just that it's a coincidence of absolutely no significance at all (like most things are when you start analysing results, in fact!) ... Anyway, this evening's lays ... Royal Glen 6.20 Perth ... Fiori 6.50 Perth ... Rookery Lad 7.00 Worcester ... Bob's Buster 7.20 Perth ... Risky Way 7.20 Perth ... The Rising Moon 7.30 Worcester ... Compton Dragon 8.20 Perth ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix

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Hi again, Jeff, Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooney9 I'm sorry if this has been asked before

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Not at all - no problem; and funnily enough I don't think it has! ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooney9 I've not read the whole thread yet

Neither have I, to be honest ... there's 123 pages of it now, amazingly ... Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooney9 is there a reasoning behind your price limits, i.e. upto 3.5, 3.6 to 7.4, 7.5 to 11. Well, yes ... there was when I produced it a couple of years ago, after fiddling about with many different possibilities (and having some much more sophisticated software available then than I have now). I wanted to be able to break it up into four chunks (there's 11.5 to about 15.5 as well, but those don't appear in this thread) for all the reasons given in the thread's first couple of posts, to be able to avoid the worst features of laying either purely to fixed stakes or purely to fixed liabilities, and these turned out to be the most natural dividing lines, the first cut-off of 3.5 mostly for "money management reasons" and the second of 7.5 on "frequency" grounds (the point being that in practice, many selections that I want to lay tend to cross that line at some point during their market travels and it therefore seemed a potentially good discipline to create one's arbitrary chart/table landmark there, "waiting for 7.4" being an activity with a reasonable expectation of avoiding disappointment often enough to make it worthwhile). I haven't looked at it much since then, I'm suitably embarrassed to say, and of course there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to imagine that it would be suitable for anyone else's selections. This is why I'm always (even now) a bit taken aback when people thank me for the "brilliant staking system" which they are adopting for use with their own selections. I would actually think it far more promising if they were adapting it for use with their own selections (after studying a few thousand results in detail with appropriate spreadsheets etc. - not by "guessing"!!), rather than just adopting it! But this, I think, is really what you're asking about, and my answer is "yes; do that" ... I think the overall concept of having these different price-brackets as a way of breaking the thing up, rather than using the "sliding-scale approach" of fixed liability is a valid and sound one, and constitutes a staking system which is safe and profitable if the selections are profitable at fixed liability to start with, obviously. There will always be people who will try to come up with a staking system which will make profitable a system that wasn't profitable to start with at level stakes/liability; and even more alarmingly there will always be some who apparently manage to do it (the key word, of course, being "apparently"!), but there have to be large numbers of "new layers" coming into the markets all the time and eventually wiping themselves out: that's how markets work, I'm afraid ... Quote:

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was wondering if I needed to adjust the price limits down. I'd think so, yes; overwhelmingly likely that you would. But please be aware also that in spite of my amazingly lucky run over the last couple of years, my experience is fairly limited to my own work, and there's always the risk that for that reason I don't really know what I'm talking about! ... My other observation, absolutely not meant impolitely or as a criticism at all, of course, though it's not what you want to hear at all and is thrown in only for the potential "benefit" of other readers here, is that overall, the lower the average SP of any laying system, the harder it is overall to make a steady profit with it. That might sound controversial or provocative, but the nature of the markets predicates that it's entirely mathematically valid and is of necessity true. To put it very succinctly (though perhaps even more controversially), it's very difficult indeed to make a living from either backing or laying shorties! ... That isn't going to stop me from trying, though, with an experimental new thread "coming up soon", as they say ... __________________ maria santonix #1842

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Results Update: day 297 ...

Quiddity 2.00 Brighton ... 12/1, 10.5, £322.77 Altilhar 4.15 Brighton ... 4/1, 5.4, £484.15 Silent Storm 4.50 Brighton ... 4/1, 5.0, £484.15 River Falcon 5.10 York ... 8/1, 8.5 (ave), £322.77 Ballybunion 5.20 Brighton ... 8/1, 8.4, £322.77 Royal Glen 6.20 Perth ... 11/2 op 5/1, 6.2, £484.15

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Fiori 6.50 Perth ... 15/2 op 6/1, 7.4, £484.15 Rookery Lad 7.00 Worcester ... non-runner ... Bob's Buster 7.20 Perth ... 9/2, 5.2, £484.15 Risky Way 7.20 Perth ... 8/1, 11.0, £322.77 The Rising Moon 7.30 Worcester ... 8/1, 6.4, £484.15 Compton Dragon 8.20 Perth ... 7/1, 9.4, £322.77

Comments: "There's always one" ... :-[

Royal Glen: two very nice double bottoms at 6.0 on the chart ... Fiori: I was unmatched almost all day at 7.4 while the price was 10.0 and 11.0 and even higher, I think, at one point; and eventually I suddenly had no problem at all being matched in full at 7.4. Sorry to go on about it, but in many ways it's the "moral of the story" of this whole thread: laying really is actually all about patience and discipline (and I suspect successful backing is as well, to be honest) ... Today's takings are £3832.87 (and that's £4034.60 less 5% commission); the nasty Altilhar, a Secret Flat System selection again, cost me £2130.26, and that leaves a net profit of £1702.61 on the day (+2.11%), so the bank is now £82395.28, which is a new high, so on Tuesday the stakes will be £823.95, £494.37 and £329.57 ...

And we are actually making steady progress here, for a change ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £1702.61 Tomorrow's bank: £82395 Tomorrow's stakes: £823.95, £494.37 and £329.57 Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.11% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 66.81% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2646.52% Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91% August strike-rate: 322 wins from 366 selections = 87.98% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3449 wins from 4023 selections = 85.73%

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Good to see a few profitable days on the trot.

Have to say I have had 3 aweful days - need to revise my selections (yet I didn't chase losses once, which was perhaps the only positive!). :'( __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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Originally Posted by The Saint I didn't chase losses once, which was perhaps the only positive! Not just the "only" positive; also the most important one by a mile, and you are to be congratulated on it, and you deserve better results than you had for 3 days in that case (and I am sure you will have them, as well) ... a pleasure to hear from you as always, Saint ...

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Trešdiena ...

The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Eighth Day ... : Again a quietish afternoon, considering there are three meetings ... but I am laying these ... Group Captain 1.45 York ... Geordieland 2.50 York ... Markestino 3.45 Hamilton ... Holdin Foldin 4.00 York ... Dan Buoy 4.10 Leicester ... Regent's Secret 4.20 Hamilton ... Montjeu Baby 4.45 Leicester ... Orange Stravinsky 4.55 Hamilton ... Cleaver 5.30 Hamilton ... And for this evening, of course I will be back with some more for Bellewstown (possibly) ... ;D

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Wednesday evening ... 8) Clear Sailing 5.15 Folkestone ... Winged Farasi 6.15 Folkestone ... Takitwo 6.45 Folkestone ... Mogok Ruby 7.00 Kempton ... Hot Agnes 7.15 Folkestone ... Pothos Way 7.28 Kempton ... Musical Echo 7.28 Kempton ... Overwing 7.45 Folkestone ... Sun Catcher 8.52 Kempton ... Indian Sabre 8.52 Kempton ... Peter Island 8.52 Kempton ... Scutch Mill 9.20 Kempton ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1847

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Results Update: day 298 ...

Group Captain 1.45 York ... 15/2, 10.5, £329.57 Geordieland 2.50 York ... 8/1, 8.8, £329.57 Markestino 3.45 Hamilton ... 4/1, 7.4, £494.37 Holdin Foldin 4.00 York ... 5/1, 5.9, £494.37 Dan Buoy 4.10 Leicester ... 10/1, 9.8, £329.57 Regent's Secret 4.20 Hamilton ... 7/1, 9.4, £329.57 Montjeu Baby 4.45 Leicester ... 6/1, 9.8, £320.57

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Orange Stravinsky 4.55 Hamilton ... 15/2, 9.6, £329.57 Clear Sailing 5.15 Folkestone ... 8/1 op 5/1, 6.6, £494.37 Cleaver 5.30 Hamilton ... 11/2, 6.6, £494.37 Winged Farasi 6.15 Folkestone ... unmatched

... not in results ...

Takitwo 6.45 Folkestone ... 9/2, 3.9, £494.37 Mogok Ruby 7.00 Kempton ... 11/2, 7.0, £494.37 Hot Agnes 7.15 Folkestone ... 9/1, 7.0, £494.37 Pothos Way 7.28 Kempton ... 9/1, 10.7 (ave), £329.57 Musical Echo 7.28 Kempton ... 6/1 op 5/1, 6.6, £494.37 Overwing 7.45 Folkestone ... 5/1, 7.4, £494.37 Sun Catcher 8.52 Kempton ... 7/1, 8.8, £329.57 Indian Sabre 8.52 Kempton ... 10/1, 10.5, £329.57 Peter Island 8.52 Kempton ... 6/1, 7.4, £494.37 Scutch Mill 9.20 Kempton ... 9/1, 11.0, £329.57

Comments: "There's always one" ...(or two) ... :-[ Peter Island: we fell victim to a substantial gamble here (she says with hindsight) ... well, we can't help that, occasionally, I'm afraid. That's not the thing that upsets me. The problem is that I seem this month to have laid almost every winner at absolutely the most expensive price possible; and however much money I'm earning here, that's really beginning to irritate me, and make me sorely in need of a lecture on patience and discipline ... Its only saving grace is the certainty that nobody following the selections could possibly have lost more on them than I did (I mean in percentage terms, of course - I do realise that some people's banks are far bigger than mine!) ... Today's takings are £6888.12 (and that's £7250.66 less 5% commission); the nasty losses cost me £5932.44, and that leaves a net profit of £955.68 on the day (+1.16%), so the bank is now £83350.96, which is a new high, so tomorrow the stakes will be £833.50, £500.10 (that's a landmark, I suppose!) and £333.40 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £955.68 Tomorrow's bank: £83350.96 Tomorrow's stakes: £833.50, £500.10 and £333.40 Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.16% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 68.75% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2678.37% Today's strike-rate: 18 wins from 20 selections = 90% August strike-rate: 340 wins from 386 selections = 88.08% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3467 wins from 4043 selections = 85.75%

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08-24-2006, 09:30 AM Join Date: Aug 2006

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Hi Maria, I usually only pop in as a guest to see how youre getting on as my spare time is spent in another forum but had to join before you finished here to congratulate you on an amazing year. You must be an inspiration to many, its certainly given me alot of belief and I wish you the best of luck with this in future years #1849

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Many thanks, Penkjat, and welcome ... hope you'll hang around sometimes now that you've registered! ... 8)

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Ceturtdiena, 24.augusts ... no lays today, sorry ... sneaky day off with things to do! ...

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Normal service will be resumed on Friday ... :-X __________________ maria santonix #1850

08-25-2006, 11:53 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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The Two-Hundred-And-Ninety-Ninth-Day ... Friday ... I'm laying these ... Whistler 2.35 Sandown ... Semenovskii 2.35 Sandown ... Silca Soprano 2.45 Newmarket ... Coconut Queen 3.30 Chester ... Orpen Prince 3.30 Chester ... Unshakable 3.45 Sandown ... Esquire 3.45 Sandown ... Titian Dancer 3.45 Sandown ... Sands of Barra 3.55 Newmarket ... Whazzis 4.05 Chester ... Whispering Death 4.30 Newmarket ... Lightning Strike 4.30 Newmarket ... Duty 4.30 Newmarket ... Red Rudy 4.50 Salisbury ... Matty Tun 5.00 Newmarket ... Bond Boy 5.00 Newmarket ... Aleron 5.10 Chester ... Best of the Lot 5.10 Chester ... I have included one from the later meeting at Salisbury in the list above, because of its time, and will be back later on with some more for Salisbury (from 5.20 onwards) and Bath ... 8) Good luck today! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix

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Friday evening ... Sweet Lilly 5.20 Salisbury ... Darenjan 6.50 Salisbury ... Gwilym 7.00 Bath ... Carlton Scroop 7.20 Salisbury ... All The Good 7.50 Salisbury ... Juniper Girl 7.50 Salisbury ... Irish Whispers 8.00 Bath ... Good luck! ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1852

08-25-2006, 07:28 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Results Update: day 299 ...

Whistler 2.35 Sandown ... 12/1, 11.0, £333.40 Semenovskii 2.35 Sandown ... 9/2, 6.0, £500.10 Silca Soprano 2.45 Newmarket ... 10/1, 9.7 (ave), £333.40 Coconut Queen 3.30 Chester ... 6/1, 7.0, £500.10 Orpen Prince 3.30 Chester ... 9/2, 5.5, £500.10

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Unshakable 3.45 Sandown ... 10/3, 4.5, £500.10 Esquire 3.45 Sandown ... 3/1, 3.45, £833.50 Titian Dancer 3.45 Sandown ... 6.0, £500.10 Sands of Barra 3.55 Newmarket ... 8/1, 10.5, £333.40 Whazzis 4.05 Chester ... 10/1, 9.6, £333.40 Whispering Death 4.30 Newmarket ... 4/1, 4.1, £500.10 Lightning Strike 4.30 Newmarket ... non-runner ... Duty 4.30 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.4, £833.50 Red Rudy 4.50 Salisbury ... 4/1, 7.0, £500.10 Matty Tun 5.00 Newmarket ... 11/2, 7.4, £500.10 Bond Boy 5.00 Newmarket ... 11/2, 6.4, £500.10 Aleron 5.10 Chester ... 9/1, 8.8, £333.40 Best of the Lot 5.10 Chester ... 10/1, 10.5, £333.40 Sweet Lilly 5.20 Salisbury ... 15/8, 2.8, £833.50 Darenjan 6.50 Salisbury ... 9/2, 7.0, £500.10 Gwilym 7.00 Bath ... 9/2, 6.8, £500.10 Carlton Scroop 7.20 Salisbury ... 10/1, 11.0 (ave), £334.40 All The Good 7.50 Salisbury ... 20/1!! 11.0, £70

... not included in results ...

Juniper Girl 7.50 Salisbury ... 13/2, 9.0, £333.40 Irish Whispers 8.00 Bath ... 8/1, 10.5, £333.40

Comments: All The Good: I did actually get about £70 matched at 11.0 before it drifted so much, but obviously I'm not including that in the day's profits ... : Today's takings are £9185.17 (and that's £9668.60 less 5% commission); the two losses cost me £3750.75, and that leaves a net profit of £5434.42 on the day (+6.52%), so the bank is now £88785.38, which is a new high, so tomorrow the stakes will be £887.85, £532.71 and £355.14 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £5434.42 Tomorrow's bank: £88785.38 Tomorrow's stakes: £887.85, £532.71 and £355.14 Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.52% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 79.75% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2859.51% Today's strike-rate: 22 wins from 24 selections = 91.67% August strike-rate: 362 wins from 410 selections = 88.29% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3489 wins from 4067 selections = 85.79%

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08-25-2006, 07:52 PM Join Date: Jan 2006

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Brilliant Maria ! Please keep us informed once a month .It would be nice to know what happens to this system as it grows . When you finish posting horses . Market wise ! Your in uncharted water for most of us on here . Many regards Mark #1854

08-25-2006, 07:58 PM Join Date: Sep 2003

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Another Great Day Maria, Well Done ;D __________________ "Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic." AC Clarke #1855

08-25-2006, 08:03 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Many thanks, guys ... today came as a great relief, with so many runners ... I was a little bit concerned about going changes today, and am amazed how well it all went ... there isn't a "sigh of relief smiley", or at least I haven't found one yet ... I think I can't really update on laying after I've finished ... it's a bit "aftertiming" really ... sorry ... but I wouldn't want anyone else doing it, to be honest, and regarding the laying it will be a great pleasure and relief to me to keep myself to myself, not that you will get me off the board that easily, of course, I will simply do something else instead and I'm already working on it ... __________________ maria santonix #1856

08-25-2006, 08:08 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Saturday 26th August ... travelling ... no lays ... :

Normal service will be resumed on Sunday ...

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08-25-2006, 08:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2003

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Congrats on another spanking set of results (which alas I again missed through the curse of the drinking classes - work). I'll be out tomorrow too, but it will be watching the proper egg chasers, where the mighty Saints will soundly humiliate the Chuddersfield Dwarfs at Twickenham. This time tomorrow I expect to be in a state of suspended animation, yet still walking, talking and drinking beer!

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08-25-2006, 08:38 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Hi maria well done on your thread just read your first post about staking what do you think about staking 1% of your bank increasing as bank increases or are the liabilities to much up to 11 as opposed to the one you have used.can you point out any disadvanteges of laying all to 1% as i am currently doing this at the moment but find your staking interesting.The system i use i lay to 12 and any above i lay to place.any help/advice would be much appreciated and i hope you stay on nthe forum and start another lay system some time thanks #1859

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08-25-2006, 08:45 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Thank you, Saint ... Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint I'll be out tomorrow too, but it will be watching the proper egg chasers, where the mighty Saints will soundly humiliate the Chuddersfield Dwarfs at Twickenham. You won't miss any lays from me anyway ... not tomorrow! ... :-X I understand that the mighty Saints are heavy favourites and Huddersfield are complete outsiders? I wish you good luck with all that beer, sounds as if you might need it? ... ??? __________________ maria santonix #1860

08-25-2006, 09:02 PM Join Date: Feb 2005

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Top of the pops Maria

08-25-2006, 09:09 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi, and welcome to EBA, Wiseman33 ... Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 what do you think about staking 1% of your bank increasing as bank increases It's definitely not for me, I have to say! Even with my overall strike-rate of just under 86% from over 4,000 selections, there would have been days that I would have lost over 30% of the bank in one day, with that staking! A couple of consecutive days like that would have absolutely devastated me! ... I would actually have survived it with my bank intact, as it happened, with these 4,000+ selections, but there would definitely be other sets of 4000+ results, only slightly different, which would not have left the bank intact. So I wouldn't dream of it, myself, and would also urge anyone else not to, even if a couple of years' results suggested that it might have been safe. Your worst day is always the one yet to come. Laying is far more swingy than people realise and even 4,000 or 8,000 results from your system really are not enough to prove that a staking system is totally safe. But every instinct tells me that the one you're asking about is definitely not safe anyway in the long term, whatever the first few thousand results are. That's my opinion, anyway; sorry ... :-\ :-[ Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 The system i use i lay to 12 and any above i lay to place. I haven't quite yet found a profitable way of doing that, myself, and not for want of trying, either. The more I study and analyse, the more it seems clear to me that in the long run, the only steady profits from place-laying relate ("paradoxically enough?" well ... maybe not, really!) to shorties. But that is with my selections, of course, and other people's may show completely different results ... I confess I don't understand the logic of deciding whether to do a win lay or a place lay according to the available win price, but if you can make it work reliably, why not? ... To me, the potential attraction of place laying is in conjunction with win backing, ensuring a profit as long as the horse doesn't come second or third (or fourth in big handicaps). "Connections" certainly do a lot of this and it seems to be increasingly discussed, these days. But I am digressing now ... :

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08-25-2006, 11:42 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Thanks for the reply maria i will take it on board what about laying to 1/2% or 1/4 % of your bank as it increases, another question for you if its ok,if you were laying under 6 or 5 would the 1% work or could that also be very damaging.i lay one system under 6 "not my own" at the moment with a good strike rate and was looking for a staking plan to maximise profits.thanks #1863

08-26-2006, 12:46 AM Join Date: Feb 2004

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Divide by 100 then multiply by 0.6 #1864

08-26-2006, 04:23 AM Join Date: Jul 2003

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... or use a calculator (there is one on your PC) and times your bank by .006 then press equals. Similarly times by .004 to get the lowest stake for those with odds between 7.5 and 11. ;D __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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08-26-2006, 12:32 PM Join Date: May 2006

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Hi Maria, Haven't spoken to you for ages...today is 26 August...are you going to stop posting the 'lays' after the 31 August? Anyway, thanks for the great work! #1866 08-26-2006, 03:53 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Thanks for the help with the percentages its easy when you know how lol,another one for maria i have looked at your staking plan and having checked it over i think its ok lol only kidding . of course it makes my stakes a lot lower at the moment but its not as scary when you are laying those bigger ones thanks for your help its,a shame i havent used this forum much there seems to be a lot of good people on here.i hope i am on my way now after years of signing up to dodgy tipsters i decided to study form myself along with a friend of mine and a lot of help from a guy called dipper who was so kind to give me his proffesional advice "for free" as he lays under 4/1 for a living i will let you know how i get on thanks maria/everyone

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08-27-2006, 12:24 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Svētdiena, also known as The Three-Hundredth Day ... Quite a bit for a Sunday ... :-\ I am laying these bugge fine specimens ... Regime 2.00 Beverley ... Dawn's Last Shot 2.10 Goodwood ... Amy Louise 2.55 Yarmouth ... Tapau 2.55 Yarmouth ... Seniero Rosso 3.05 Beverley ... William John 3.25 Yarmouth ... Tax Free 3.35 Beverley ... Caradak 3.50 Goodwood ... Further Outlook 4.00 Yarmouth ... Sesmen 4.20 Goodwood ... Libor 4.55 Goodwood ... Namu 4.55 Goodwood ... Duroob 5.05 Yarmouth ... Grey Outlook 5.15 Beverley ... Kalatime 5.30 Goodwood ... And unless they start off Sunday evening racing at very short notice indeed, that will be all the selections for today ... and good luck, especially to all the other horses in those races! ...

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08-27-2006, 12:32 PM Join Date: Feb 2006

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hi maria i am getting all my questions before you go lol is your staking plan designed specificaly for your system or does it depend on strike rate etc as i said earlier i lay up to 12 on one system which has an 80%+ strike rate so was going to apply it was just wondering what you thought thanks;D #1869

08-27-2006, 01:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Hi again Wiseman, Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 hi maria i am getting all my questions before you go No problem, but actually I'm not going anywhere - just not posting selections in this thread. I will still be all over the board, probably (until I get jeered off) ... Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 is your staking plan designed specificaly for your system Yes, entirely. That's not to say that it wouldn't work with anyone else's, but it's not to say that it will, either! ... ??? Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 does it depend on strike rate etc

Yes, that too ... Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 as i said earlier i lay up to 12 on one system which has an 80%+ strike rate

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Yes, you said this earlier and I didn't reply then because I was struggling to find a way to reply without the risk of offending you or sounding impolite ... all of which I should perhaps not worry about and should say what I think instead ... which is that if my system here (which lays up to 11.0, not 12.0, as you know) had a strike-rate of only 80%, I would be losing money hand over fist (or more likely foot over toes in my case), the bank would have disappeared nearly two years ago, and we would not be having this conversation at all! If my strike-rate dips below 83%, then I will start to haemorrhage money at an alarming rate. If your system which lays at up to 12.0 is profitable with an 80% strike-rate, then your average prices must be significantly different from mine, which makes it impossible for me to comment or advise you at all, I'm so sorry. Please appreciate that I'm not trying to be "cagey" here at all, it's just that I just don't what to say ...

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As many people following this thread have learned, sometimes to their great cost, the tiniest fluctuations in overall strike-rate can produce very heavy losses. More so with this sort of staking system than with laying to fixed liability. A staking system is a way of trying to enhance the profits of something which already makes steady, consistent and reliable profits when using (in the case of laying) fixed liability; not an attempt to make profitable something which doesn't. The big question for you here, I would say, before you start thinking about any sort of staking system (let alone mine which may well turn out to be totally unsuitable for your selections) is "Do my selections make a steady, consistent and reliable profit when using fixed liability?" You have to be able to give yourself the appropriate answer to this, and prove it to yourself over a significant number of selections which is not subject to seasonal variation etc., before you get as far as thinking about a staking plan. You may have done all this already, of course, in which case well and good, but even if so, I'm afraid it doesn't enable me to answer what you're asking, I'm sorry to say ... :-[ To try to explain it in slightly different words, if you think that your strike-rate is 80% that means your accident-rate is 20%, doesn't it? My strike-rate here is (let's say) 86%, so my accident-rate is 14%. That means your accident-rate is virtually 50% higher than mine. On that basis, there's absolutely no reason to think that the same staking system could possibly work for both systems, is there? ... ??? __________________ maria santonix #1870

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Results Update: day 300 ...

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Regime 2.00 Beverley ... 4/1, 4.6, £532.71 > Dawn's Last Shot 2.10 Goodwood ... 11/2, 7.4, £532.71 Amy Louise 2.55 Yarmouth ... 7/2, 5.4, £532.71 Tapau 2.55 Yarmouth ... 8/1, 10.3 (ave), £355.14 Sentiero Rosso 3.05 Beverley ... 13/2, 7.0, £532.71 William John 3.25 Yarmouth ... 11/2, 6.8, £532.71 Tax Free 3.35 Beverley ... 2/1, 3.25, £887.85 Caradak 3.50 Goodwood ... 6/1, 8.0, £355.14 > Further Outlook 4.00 Yarmouth ... non-runner ... Sesmen 4.20 Goodwood ... 9/1, 10.0, £355.14 > Libor 4.55 Goodwood ... 9/2, 5.8, £532.71 Namu 4.55 Goodwood ... 10/1, 10.0, £355.14 Duroob 5.05 Yarmouth ... 3/1, 4.2, £532.71 Grey Outlook 5.15 Beverley ... 9/2, 5.4, £532.71 Kalatime 5.30 Goodwood ... 6/1, 7.3(ave), £355.14

Comments: Eeewwwww ... not the pleasant Sunday I had in mind at all ... And it could easily have been worse: Duroob was actually a let-off - it was down to 1.06 in running! ... Today's takings were £5398.12, which is £5682.24 less 5% commission. The losses come to a round £7600.00 (or at least they do when they're rounded up), so that's £2201.88 today, which is -2.46% ... and the bank has slipped back to £86583.50 and Tuesday's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: (£2201.88) Tomorrow's bank: £86583.50 Tomorrow's stakes: £887.85, £532.71 and £355.14 Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.48%) Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 75.29%

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2786.12%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.57% August strike-rate: 373 wins from 424 selections = 87.97% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3500 wins from 4081 selections = 85.75%

: No selections tomorrow: I'm definitely not getting involved on a Bank Holiday at this stage: they are like Saturdays but worse! Next laying selections for Tuesday 29th ... __________________ maria santonix

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08-27-2006, 07:59 PM Join Date: Aug 2003

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Maria As this thread heads to the finishing line, add my congratulations to the many you have, and will, receive. A really thought provoking thread backed up your incredible patience and generosity in answering all the queries.

I won't miss the agony of seeing my selections in your daily lays and I think your decision to end the thread at the end of the 12 months is a good one. Best of luck. #1872

08-28-2006, 06:46 AM Join Date: Nov 2003

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Well done M

The best piece of work on the net bar none

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08-28-2006, 09:20 AM Join Date: Aug 2003

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yes i agree with both atc and viva on all counts.

great thread great balls ! #1874 08-28-2006, 10:43 AM Join Date: Feb 2006

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Hi maria thanks for your honesty the system i have started following isnt my own and i think the strike rate is more like 84% i have checked after i asked you the question lol the guy only posted for a while but i made sure he had at least a years results to go on.i think when we ask questions to people like yourself honesty is the best policy.I value your advice and as i am very much still a humble novice i will take it on board i am starting to see how there is a fine line beetween profit and loss in this game.am glad to hear you are still going to be around so i will get my next bunch of questions ready lol.do you have any other plans to start/test other laying systems on here was just wondering.anyway i have enjoyed popping in to raed your thread and i have to take my hat of to what you have done with a £3,000 bank.oh one last question you post up to 11 on your results but do you lay over that yourself.thanks ;D #1875

08-28-2006, 11:43 AM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Many thanks for such kind comments, guys ... Always a pleasure to hear from you again Joemugg, I think you probably mean "great shoes" ... ???

I'm sure you have great shoes yourself, too ... 8) Hope you don't

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mind that I'm giving the Secret Flat System a miss for the day today, just don't fancy getting involved on a Bank Holiday ... :-\ Hi Wiseman, many thanks for taking my answer as I intended it and not being offended or anything! ... Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 i think the strike rate is more like 84% Ah, that sounds much better; that 4% will make an enormous difference, can easily be the difference between overall profit and overall loss, in fact I'd think it would be! For the whole of last year (I mean September 2004 to August 2005) my overall strike rate was more like that and I turned a £1,000 bank into just over £4,000 during that period. You can see the enormous difference between that year's results and this year's results, because the strike rate is higher now. Small differences in strike rate can make huge differences in long-term results ... :-\ Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 the guy only posted for a while but i made sure he had at least a years results to go on. Sounds better, as long as it's all true, if second-hand ... :-X Not meaning to sound cynical but I only believe results from what I've done myself with real money. Otherwise people can tell you they could have laid a horse at say 8.0 but maybe they could only have laid for £2 there, and if they wanted to lay for £30 it would have been at 11.0 (this is easily possible!). Real bets and real Betfair statements talk ... Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 do you have any other plans to start/test other laying systems on here was just wondering. Yes, something new coming up, probably not immediately after this one finishes, but a few weeks later, anyway. Hopefully something that will be long-running and profitable, but I don't dare to hope that it's going to go as well as this one does. But it's something I don't mind sharing the selections for because the liquidity will be much better and I'll only be doing small bets myself anyway and not depending on it to earn my living ... Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseman33 you post up to 11 on your results but do you lay over that yourself.thanks ;D I do, I have up to 3.5, 3.5 to 7.4 and 7.6 to 11 that you see; I also have 11.5 to about 15.5 which I don't post because most people don't want to lay that high. I don't have an enormous number of those but they have the best strike-rate and actually the

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best overall profit too. That's the bracket where I start to overlap with what my father lays, he lays mostly above 10/1 up to about 50/1 (but that's useless to most people because of the size of bank you need even to start it off, and he would never let me post his anyway!) ... __________________ maria santonix #1876

08-28-2006, 10:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2004

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Well Maria ;D ;D ;D

....... been a great thread this and what brilliant profit you have made

Will be sorry to see you stop posting your selections follow your advise, wish i had would be very rich now game :

........ i don't personally not into the laying

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Anyway keep up the excellent work for the next few days __________________ GL whatever you punt today...... Pete #1877

08-29-2006, 11:50 AM Join Date: Aug 2006

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My goodness Maria I am absolutely gobsmacked

-you are an absolute star!

I started out on this laying business about a year ago (while you were taking off I was floundering in the dark) and have only just got wind of your name and success through the grapevine, the word is travelling across other forums. Looks like I'm going to have to read your thread from start to finish and hope that I can achieve just a fraction of your success. Well done.

I just wish I had discovered you earlier Magnetron. #1878 08-29-2006, 12:25 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by peteg40 Anyway keep up the excellent work for the next few days Hi Pete ... many thanks for your kind words ... I realise you're not a layer; but I think you also know I'm a backer too, so what matters more to me is that your thread continues; please keep up the brilliant work! ... 8) ;D Quote:

Originally Posted by magnetron Looks like I'm going to have to read your thread from start to finish Hi Magnetron, welcome to EBA ... ooooh, you have got your work cut out there! I know that anyone who has the patience and discipline to do that (I'm thinking of marketing the thread as an insomnia cure!) has every chance of successful laying, anyway ... you'll find lots of other very interesting things to read here too, of course ...

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Today's selections coming up in a minute ... __________________ maria santonix #1879

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Otrdiena, 29.augusts ... also known as Ye Olde Three-Hundred-And-Oneth Dayye ... Concerned about the going ... especially Ripon which is currently advertised as good to soft and soft in places, I won't be at all surprised if it's really soft to heavy and heavy in places ... which is not ideal ... nevertheless ("ooooooh!") I am laying these today ... Rudaki 2.20 Ripon ... Ingleby Image 2.50 Ripon ... College City 3.00 Sedgefield ... Moon on a Spoon 3.20 Ripon ... Ballynure 3.30 Sedgefield ... So Cloudy 4.00 Sedgefield ... Assuring Ways 4.00 Sedgefield ... Temtation 4.20 Ripon ... Aston 4.30 Sedgefield ... And that's all for today: at this stage, I won't be back later with evening selections (apart from possibly at Beverley and Woblyhampton on Thursday, if we all live that long, of course ...) :-\ : Good luck today ... ;D __________________ maria santonix #1880

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Results Update: day 301 ...

Rudaki 2.20 Ripon ... 13/2, 6.8, £532.71 ;D Ingleby Image 2.50 Ripon ... 11/4 op 9/4, 3.35, £887.85 ;D College City 3.00 Sedgefield ... non-runner ... Moon on a Spoon 3.20 Ripon ... 6/1, 5.8, £532.71 ;D Ballynure 3.30 Sedgefield ... 11/1 op 10/1, 10.8 (ave), £355.14 ;D So Cloudy 4.00 Sedgefield ... 7/2, 5.0, £532.71 ;D Assuring Ways 4.00 Sedgefield ... 12/1 op 9/1, 10.9 (ave), £355.14 ;D Temtation 4.20 Ripon ... 9/4, 3.0, £887.85 ;D Aston 4.30 Sedgefield ... 10/1 10.3 (ave), £355.14 ;D

Comments: What I have to do, to put in a clear round these days: wait for a really quiet day with only 9 system selections (one of which is a non-runner!) ... : Today's takings were £4217.28, which is £4439.25 less 5% commission ... 8)

That's +4.87% ... That takes the bank up to £90800.78 and the next stakes are £908, £544.80 and £363.20 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £4217.28 Tomorrow's bank: £90800.78 Tomorrow's stakes: £908, £544.80 and £363.20 Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.87% Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 83.83% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2926.69% Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% August strike-rate: 381 wins from 432 selections = 88.19% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3508 wins from 4089 selections = 85.79% :-*

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Hi Lucky-rog, welcome to EBA; and thank you ... as you probably know, there are many great threads to read here ... hope you'll be posting something too some time ...

Meanwhile, after one or two lucky escapes this afternoon ... ... here are the evening lays ... although to be honest the market is so thin that it's really difficult to predict prices for a couple of these, and I might still end up either unmatched on some, or possibly matched at a little bit more than 11.0 (and in either of these cases I won't put them in the day's totals, of course) ... but let's see what happens, anyway ... :-\ :-X Just Joey 6.40 Beverley ... Mamora Reef 7.00 Wolverhampton ... Aphorism 7.10 Beverley ... Caraman 7.10 Beverley ... Shekan Star 7.10 Beverley ... Royal Melbourne 7.10 Beverley ... Desert Opal 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Miskina 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Gone'N'Dunnett 7.30 Wolverhampton ... Harrington Bates 7.40 Beverley ... Dhurwah 7.40 Beverley ... Diminuto 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Porjenski 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Peggy's Pearl 8.00 Wolverhampton ... Will Be 8.30 Wolverhampton ... Sgt Schultz 8.30 Wolverhampton ... Medieval Maiden 9.00 Wolverhampton ... Just the one or two, as you see! ... ;D

Good luck ...

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By the way, if anyone is interested, I made a mistake in yesterday's results and have appended a little edit/announcement to them now on the previous page ... : __________________ maria santonix #1912

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Well Done Maria, Brains, Beauty and Brass lots of it ;D __________________ "Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic." AC Clarke #1913

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Originally Posted by maria Quote:

Originally Posted by atc Couldn't resist sending two final arrows

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What does it mean ... that you like them, that you don't like them, or that you may become the prime suspect in a horse-doping scandal?! ... I liked them but historically , and in present, your lays have nailed them. Well done again. #1914

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I see (and thank you!) ... ok, sorry ... as long as we don't have to bail you out, then! ... :P __________________ maria santonix #1915

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Maria, I have a confession to make and I hope you do not think bad of me. Since finding you I have mixed some of your lays with my own and have made a nice little profit.

I know, how dare I take from such a great person as Yourself. I humble to you and am down on my knees begging forgiveness. How can I put things right (don't ask me to give the money away, cos I won't). You have indeed enlightened all your followers including myself........enough of that......I want to be like you!

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I'm even contemplating wearing ladies shoes around the house during lay times reckon my missus will think I've turned, but what the hell ;D

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Magnetron PS. I need to know what colour eyeshadow to wear, please advise. #1916 08-31-2006, 05:21 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Very glad to hear you've done well, Magnetron ... I am scared when people say they've done "some" of my lays with some of their own, because I know how easy it is to follow a profitable system selectively and lose money from it ... but it appears you have made it pay, so neither of us needs to apologise to the other, I think ... and well done with your lays, too ... I would give the footwear a miss, if I were you ... the fewer men there are wearing women's shoes, the more feminine the shoes probably remain ... :-\ :P :-X :

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Thanks for the advice Maria. I guess with me being 6' 2" and having size 11 feet I wouldn't look right. :-\

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Maybe just the eye shadow then. #1918

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Results Update: day 303 ...

Seven No Trumps 2.20 Salisbury ... 15/2, 8.2, £364.83 Sister Etienne 3.00 Musselburgh ... 3/1, 5.0, £547.25 Doctor Scott 3.30 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 10.0, £364.83 Colton 3.40 Redcar ... 5/1, 6.6, £547.25 Choreography 3.40 Redcar ... 11/2 op 5/1, 6.4, £547.25 Meditation 3.50 Salisbury ... 8/1 op 15/2, 7.0, £547.25 Strawberry Patch 4.00 Musselburgh ... 13/2, 8.6, £364.83 Champain Sands 4.30 Musselburgh ... 8/1 op 7/1, 8.8, £364.83 Let It Be 4.40 Redcar ... 13/2, 7.4, £547.25 Sun King 4.40 Redcar ... 8/1, 10.5, £364.83 Feelin Irie 5.10 Beverley ... 11/2, 6.4, £547.25 Sedge 5.15 Redcar ... 9/2, 6.2, £547.25 Ayam Jantan 5.15 Redcar ... 15/2, 8.8, £364.83 Just Joey 6.40 Beverley ... 3/1, 3.85, £547.25 Mamora Reef 7.00 Wolverhampton ... 6/1 op 9/2, 5.9, £547.25 Aphorism 7.10 Beverley ... 10/1 op 9/1, 11.0, £364.83 Caraman 7.10 Beverley ... 8/1, 9.2, £364.83

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Shekan Star 7.10 Beverley ... 6/1, 7.4, £364.83 Royal Melbourne 7.10 Beverley ... 8/1, 9.4, £364.83 Desert Opal 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.0, £547.25 Miskina 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.6, £364.83 Gone'N'Dunnett 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.0, £364.83 Harrington Bates 7.40 Beverley ... 15/2, 8.6, £364.83 Dhurwah 7.40 Beverley ... 11/1, 10.7 (ave), £364.83 Diminuto 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.0, £547.25 Porjenski 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.4, £364.83 Peggy's Pearl 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.0, £547.25 Will Be 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.6, £364.83 Sgt Schultz 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 5.3, £547.25 Medieval Maiden 9.00 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 10.6 (ave), £364.83

Comments: Please note that there was a mistake in yesterday's results. I have added a comment on the end of yesterday's post - actually made a few hundred more than I first realised yesterday, but I haven't included it in the figures anyway ... :

What a lucky run today! ... Today's takings were £12130.65, which is £12769.11 less 5% commission. The loss cost £2636.25 but that still leaves a net profit on the day of £9394.40 ... the best day ... and that's +10.3% which we certainly haven't had before ... And very luckily and surprisingly, that takes the closing balance up to £100,603.78 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits) Original bank: £3000 Bank on 1st of this month: £49393.25 Profit/(loss) today: £9493.40 Closing bank: £100,603.78 Bank increase/(loss) today: 10.3%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 103.68% Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3253.44% Today's strike-rate: 29 wins from 30 selections = 96.67% August strike-rate: 420 wins from 474 selections = 88.61% Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 3547 wins from 4131 selections = 85.88%

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What a way to end, eh?

Couldn't have scripted it any better. Heartfelt congratulations, and thanks for showing us what can be achieved through discipline (and of course some good selections). Look forward to your next venture (in the hope you share some of it with us). :-* __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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8) buy some beasts!!

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Yes, great result, Maria. Thanks for sharing it with us. #1922

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CONGRATULTIONS MARIA. You have put up with some unnecessary stick during this thread. All of it uncalled for. But you have dealt with it in a very mature way. Your final total is a great answer to those who queried your methods. This must be unparalleled anywhere on the net. Enjoy the rewards of your labour. Thank you for the time you have spent on this thread. :-* __________________ Persistance Pays and I want my bookie too as well. #1924

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WOW 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) So glad you reached the 100k today Well Done John #1925

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Well done M

Top stuff 8)

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* * * * * * * * * * * * *

* * ********* *** *** MARIA * *** *** ********* * *

YOU ARE A STAR! Absolutely Incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GOODBYE..... :-*

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£100,000..... WOW!!

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Superb Maria You have to be the best tipster i have ever seen !!!

You have spent so much time on the thread and i want to thank you so much for all your hard work. Congratulations are in order ;D ;D ;D What a way to end the thread !!! Brillaint :-* #1930

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Respect, well done. ( what took you so long ? ;D )

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Well what a great end to a great post!!! ;D Sad to see the end of it :'( From all the forums that I have been a member of, your postings on this forum are second to none. Whatever method you used for selecting donkeys WORKED Some people I know say laying isn't profitable because of the outlay you have pay out if the donkey wins the race, but, you have proven that it can be done. And whatever you do from now on, Maria, I hope it fulfills your hopes and dreams. A big kiss goodbye from all the demons and angels in the world. :-* __________________ HEavenLL #1932

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Brilliant Maria ;D :-* __________________ King Of The Knavesmire
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Absolutely fabulous! #1934

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Maria you deserve all the credit for the amount of work you put in over the year. I will not be using the exact staking but it was your hard work that as helped me sort out the direction I’m taking. You and your father make a great team. One thing I can’t understand, how a methodical person like yourself never used a spreadsheet to look back at your selections and staking to see if there is room for improvement. Who knows that could have been 200,000 #1935

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Very, very many thanks for all the kind comments! ... :-*

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Originally Posted by maria Very, very many thanks for all the kind comments! ... :-* You deserve them Maria!!

Anyway back to more important matters, where are today's lays? hehe

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great stuff big m Top in every respect ! SONG FITS THE BILL ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6rAj9FXuTY #1938

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Awesome achievement, and very well deserved Well done Maria! #1939

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Followed the last two weeks then went back to the beginning and watched from thread one! Hours later(lol) I have to echo swebby in that it's the most awesome thing I think I've ever seen on the net in a newspaper in any sort of media. Huge credit to you Maria in not only sticking to it (for a year!) but the courage of your convictions and dealing with the dross that inevitably comes with a thread of this type. £3000........to £100000 in a year. Hell they write books about that.......I get the literature in the post every day! Quite remarkable.......I think your next port of call should be Harper Collins. Possible title......Blondes Take Charge At Laying. #1940 09-02-2006, 09:38 PM Join Date: Apr 2006

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What a way to end!!! Your thread has been a "must read" for me each day and I am sad to see it end. I hope yor next one is just as entertaining and enlightening as this one has been. Good luck with your continued success with your system and thanks again

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MARRY ME :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* divna __________________ divna #1942

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Fantastic achievement Maria. Not only have you a healthy bank balance ( even allowing for the cost of shoes), you have proven to all of us, what can be achieved through discipline.

Don't feel guilty that some of your cash was actually mine >

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just like to add my congratulations maria been watching your thread for a long time and you deserve the success it merits.Its not often one sees such a honest and fothright approach in helping to answer peoples questions and may I wish you every success for the future #1944 09-12-2006, 04:20 PM Join Date: Jul 2005

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Very many thanks for such kind remarks ... 8) I've had three messages in the last 24 hours asking me (effectively) what my connection is with the "tipping service" selling a monthly subscription to the selections of "Maria's Laying System" ... There is no tipping service selling the selections of my laying system, because nobody has them to sell in the first place. Literally. Nobody. Not "one or two friends one of whom has leaked them to a tipping service" - nobody. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. They might have a sister called Maria who has a laying system, but it isn't me and they're not my system selections ... These "special offers" are not genuine. I hope that no members here will fall for them! Sorry, but the selections of this system are not for sale. You read it here first! ... __________________ maria santonix #1945

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Hi Maria You have made into the printed word. I subscribe to a news letter called "What Really Makes Money" and you are given a mention in the first paragraph, he then goes on to offer a couple of his own systems They must have gone to print before you hit the 100k as he starts off with Whoever heard of turning £3,000 into £90,000 __________________ "Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable from magic." AC Clarke #1946

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Originally Posted by favs They must have gone to print before you hit the 100k as he starts off with Whoever heard of turning £3,000 into £90,000 Ooooh, thank you, Favs ... well, I suppose he was not expecting my last day to go like that, to be fair - and neither was I!! Talk about "lucky" ... unfortunately I have not had a day quite as good as that one ever since then! ... ;D

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maria.how did u choose the horses?randomly? #1948

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Originally Posted by serqan_ maria.how did u choose the horses?randomly? ROFLMFAO!!!! does this mean randomly? #1950

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I think he found your question somewhat amusing. ;D I can't really see such success coming from sticking a pin in the Racing Post method, though I am sure many others have tried it! Maria won't divulge her selection method, but rest assured she does have one. It is only part of the success though, as you also need a good staking method (which she has provided gratis at the start of the thread), and more difficultly discipline (as I found to my misfortune last night on the tennis! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR).

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Originally Posted by The Saint I can't really see such success coming from sticking a pin in the Racing Post method I think that sticking in a pin in the horses would offer better chances: it might make them run worse, but it might also get you prosecuted ... Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It's Mr. Furry The Lion, I think ... __________________ maria santonix #1952

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why dont u start a new run? ;D ;D ;D #1953

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Probably worth locking the thread now Maria. I think you've made your position clear on enough occassions and most have taken the opportunity to pass on their gratitude. I'm sure if folk still want to pass on thanks they will pm you, but hopefully not pester you to restart the thread and compromise your livelihood. 8) __________________ http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/gr...smiley-026.gif
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